November 20th, 2013
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Isa Chandra Moskowitz is the host of The Post Punk Kitchen and author of multiple vegan cookbooks, including her most recent, "Isa Does It: Amazingly Easy, Wildly Delicious Vegan Recipes For Every Day Of The Week." And yes, there are recipes if you scroll down.

Chances are you have a vegan in your life - a real dyed-in-the-natural-fiber-cruelty-free-wool vegan for whom all animal products are off limits. And perhaps that vegan is threatening a visit to your Thanksgiving table this year.

Thanksgiving is stressful. Everyone knows that; the very history of it is stress. The original celebration was not what people had to eat, but that they had anything to eat at all. Maybe things aren’t as bad as all that today, but it can still be stressful when someone needs a special menu.

But one of the great things about vegan meals is that everyone can enjoy them. (Provided they don’t have a nut allergy, or a wheat allergy, or...well maybe we oughta just go out for Chinese food.)

If your first thought was an eye roll, or something along the lines of, “That’s their choice - I don’t have to cook for them,” or if you think they can get by on salad and cranberry sauce, well, honestly, don’t even invite them. Somewhere there’s a welcoming table where the lentils overfloweth, and they will take your vegan in.

But if you actually like them, maybe even love them, or if your loved one loves them, or if you want them in any way, shape, or form to have a great time as your guest, then read on.

Along with religion and politics, we may view dietary choices as something that is driving family and friends apart, but instead, let’s see it as a chance to bring us together. Here’s the thing: you can’t eat your Uncle Roger’s opinion on Obamacare. But you know what? Those chickpea cutlets smothered in white pepper cashew gravy are pretty dang delicious. And I can tell you it’s nearly impossible to argue about Iran, or Israel, or China when you have a coconut cream pie stuffed in your face.

My point is, you don’t have to agree on the ethics to agree on good food. So while other political opinions may leave a bitter taste in your mouth, the only bitter you’ll find at your table will be an arugula salad - preferably made with local greens.

But it's tradition!

I know what you’re thinking: this all seems so unfamiliar. Whatever happened to tradition? But let’s take a look. Did the first Thanksgiving really occur at Plymouth in 1621? Or did it occur in Texas in 1598, as others claim, or in Virginia in 1619? And what about the indigenous tribes before them? Certainly they gave thanks, too, for bountiful harvests with celebratory feasts.

Then there’s the bird. Scholars can’t even confirm that a turkey was present at the first “Turkey Day.” Nor will they tell you it was a national “tradition” until another 200 years or so had passed. And what was with all the buckles? Everyone, it seems, had belts wrapped around their heads and feet back then. Why don’t we do that anymore?

It’s not that I think tradition isn’t significant, it’s actually that I think it is. But tradition in and of itself is not carte blanche to do whatever you want, is it? History is fraught with some pretty terrible traditions.

We all have emotional attachments to food and I think that is a positive quality. If the world seems a little wonky, what’s the harm in the fact that some sage-scented cornbread stuffing can set it right? I love that there are tastes and flavors that ground us and make us feel at home.

But a larger tradition for Thanksgiving is inclusiveness. Or, at least, that is what we’re supposed to tell our children. Let's keep that tradition by providing something out of nothing. Or, more specifically, cutlets out of chickpeas. Here’s to new traditions!

But what's in it for you?

A newfound love of lentils? An additional set of cooking skills? Do you know the wonders of cashew cream or how to emulsify a dressing without eggs? How about massaging kale? Yes, that is a thing. And you just might find it as relaxing as a regular massage.

And not to get all preachy (I am, after all, a vegan) but plant-based eating is the way of the future, if only out of necessity. It’s lower on the food chain, uses fewer resources and is better for the planet. Perhaps this will lead you to Meatless Mondays or to Vegan Before 6 or (best case scenario) to becoming a level seven vegan. Because we all want to have a planet on which to keep celebrating Thanksgiving!

But it goes both ways.

Well, yes and no. No one is asking you to have a completely vegan Thanksgiving (although, hey you never know.) Different families have different solutions. Some set a portion aside before adding dairy products, and others opt for the everything-vegan-except-for-the-turkey approach.

But it would definitely benefit us vegans to chill out a little bit this time of year, as well. Yeah, we’ve all heard those same Thanksgiving jokes from all of our uncles through all those years. You know, when they pass us the turkey or tell us that maybe some bacon would improve our butternut squash bisque.

The truth is, your uncle loves you. He is making that comment not so you will complain about him in an angst-ridden Facebook status later in the evening. He is just trying to relate to you in whatever way he can; he is trying to make you smile. It doesn’t matter if it doesn’t make you smile, that is neither here nor there, but that is his intent. So smile anyway.

Now that I've convinced you to feed the vegans in your life...

Should you go out and simply buy a Tofurkey? I think that most in the veggie set will recognize your gesture as somewhere from kind to totally the most generous thing ever. But what about going all out?

There are some incredibly easy things you can do to transform your non-vegan dinner into a veritable feast for all your guests. Make the stuffing vegan, using olive oil instead of butter. Try coconut oil in the whipped sweet potatoes. Even the green bean casserole - yes, that one with the crunchy onions on top - can be made vegan. A creative mix of oils makes for a fabulously flaky pastry crust for all of your pie needs. Mashed potatoes using almond milk are totally delish. And I’ve saved many a Thanksgiving with mushroom gravy.

I guess I should also mention that vegans love Thanksgiving. I don’t know why. They love it more than anything. And they will be happy to help you in the kitchen until the cows come home (to the farm sanctuary, of course.) Honestly, you could go get a pedicure and they will make the whole darn thing. But that’s not what this is about, now is it?

Do something great for animals and the planet all while showing the vegan in your life that you love them more than pumpkin pie can say - or at least that much.

Vegan Holiday Recipes
Kale Salad With Butternut and Lentils
Serves 6

The trick with eating raw kale is to work it really hard with your hands, like you’re ROLFing it (which is a deep tissue massage, that looks kind of fun.) Work it at every step, including when you rinse and drain it. Use your hands to really scrunch the leaves up to get the water out, almost like ringing out a sponge. Don’t worry, kale can take it! In fact, afterwards it might feel a little like you after a massage; tender, relaxed and ready to be smothered in vinaigrette.

1 lb butternut squash
1 tablespoon olive oil
1/4 teaspoon salt
1/2 lb kale, stems removed, torn into bite sized pieces (about 8 cups)
1 1/2 cups cooked lentils (or a 15 oz can, rinsed and drained)

2 tablespoons white wine vinegar
3 tablespoons olive oil
2 teaspoons agave syrup (or maple syrup)
1 teaspoon dijon mustard
1 1/2 teaspoons fresh ginger, finely minced (or microplaned)
1 cloves garlic, finely minced (or microplaned)
1/4 teaspoon salt

Roast the squash:
Preheat oven to 425 F. Peel the squash and divide the round part from the long part. Cut the round part in half and scoop out the seeds. Slice everything into 1/2 inch to 3/4 inch pieces.

Line a large baking sheet with parchment paper. Spread squash out in a single layer and drizzle with olive oil. The single layer is important because if the baking sheet is overcrowded the squash won’t brown, it’ll steam and just get mushy. Sprinkle with salt and toss with your hands to coat.

Pop in the oven for about 25 minutes, flipping every 15 minutes or so. They’re done when lightly browned on the outside and tender inside. Remove from oven and set aside to cool.

Assemble the salad:
Stir the vinaigrette into a large mixing bowl – everything will be going in there so make sure it’s large enough to hold all that kale.

Add the kale and take a minute or so, using your hands, to rub the vinaigrette into the leaves and really swish it around in there. Add the cooled butternut and lentils and toss to coat. Give the flavors a few minutes to settle in, then taste for salt and serve.

Recipe notes:
For the ginger and garlic, you want to get them to be almost a paste. A microplane grater works perfect for this, or you can just mince the hell out of them.

15 minute option: Don’t feel like butternut squash, or just looking for something a little less labor intensive? Replace the roasted butternut with apple. Just peel two tart apples, like Granny Smith, and dice them into 1/2 inch pieces.

Make ahead: Roast a mess of squash an evening or two before as a side dish for dinner, and use the leftovers (about 2 cups) for this salad.

Sweet Potato Soup With Ginger and Vanilla
Vanilla bean and ginger holding hands in a field of creamy sweet potato, with pretty bursts of lime lighting their way, and just a touch of heat.

1 tablespoon olive oil
1 medium yellow onion, diced medium
2 tablespoons chopped fresh ginger
1/2 teaspoon red pepper flakes
3 lbs garnet yams, peeled and cut into 1 inch chunks
4 cups vegetable broth
1/2 teaspoon salt
1 vanilla bean, split and scraped (tip to use a steak knife)
1 tablespoon pure maple syrup
2 tablespoons fresh lime juice

Preheat a 4-quart soup pot over medium heat. Saute the onions in oil with a pinch of salt for about 3 minutes, until translucent. Add ginger and red pepper flakes, and saute another minute or so.

Add yams, veggie broth and salt. Cover and bring to a boil. Once boiling, lower heat a bit to a slow simmer and cook until potatoes are tender – usually 5 more minutes or so.

Once tender, add the vanilla beans. Use an immersion blender to puree the soup until smooth. Or transfer the soup in batches to a blender or food processor to puree. Be sure to let the steam escape in between pulses so that the steam doesn’t build up and explode all over you. Then transfer the soup back to the pot.

Add maple syrup and lime and taste for salt. Thin with a little water, if necessary. You can eat immediately, but the flavor develops a lot as it sits. The lime mellows out and the vanilla becomes more pronounced, especially the next day. Serve garnished with lime, if you like. You may also want to do a coconut swirl, or something like that, if you’re feeling fancy.

Rosemary Chocolate Chip Cookies
Makes 24 cookies
A sublime combination that tastes like the holidays!

1/2 cup refined coconut oil, softened
2 tablespoons lightly packed, finely chopped fresh rosemary
1/4 cup granulated sugar
1/3 cup light brown sugar
1/4 cup almond milk (or your favorite non-dairy milk)
1 tablespoon ground flax seeds (golden preferred)
2 teaspoons pure vanilla extract
1 1/3 cups all-purpose flour
1/2 teaspoon salt
1/2 teaspoon baking soda
1/2 cup chocolate semisweet chips

Preheat oven to 350 F. Lightly grease two large baking sheets.

In a large mixing bowl, use a fork to beat together the coconut oil and rosemary, until relatively smooth. Add the sugar, and beat for about a minute.

Add the non-dairy milk and flax seeds, and beat once again, for 30 seconds or so. Mix in the vanilla.

Add about half the flour, as well as the salt and baking soda, and mix well. Add the remainder of the flour, along with the chocolate chips, and mix well until it looks like, well, cookie dough.

Scoop about 2 tablespoons of dough onto cookie sheets in rounded spoonfuls. Flatten gently with your hands. Bake for 10 to 12 minutes, until bottoms are golden brown.

Let cool on sheets for 3 minutes or so, then transfer to cooling racks to cool the rest of the way.

Stuffed Thanksgiving Burgers
Makes 6 burgers
You can turn these burgers into an entree simply by serving with gravy and without the bun.

2 tablespoons olive oil, divided
Small yellow onion, diced medium
2 ribs celery, thinly sliced
8 oz cremini mushrooms, thinly sliced
2 cloves garlic, minced
Fresh black pepper
1 teaspoon dried thyme
1 teaspoon dry rubbed sage
4 cups baguette sliced into cubes
1 cup vegetable broth
1/2 cup hazelnuts
1 cup cooked green or brown lentils (1 16 oz can, rinsed and drained)
3/4 teaspoons salt
1/4 cup dried cranberries

To serve:
6 sourdough rolls
Kale [or your preferred greens]
Vegan mayo (storebought or homemade)

Preheat a large, heavy bottomed pan non-stick (preferably cast iron) over medium high heat. Saute onion in one tablespoon olive oil for about 3 minutes with a pinch of salt, until translucent. Add mushroom, celery, garlic, black pepper, thyme and sage and saute for 7 to 10 minutes, until mushrooms have released most of their moisture.

Add baguette cubes, and drizzle in the other tablespoon of oil. Toss bread to coat in the mixture and cook for 5 minutes or so, tossing often, to lightly brown the bread.

Add the vegetable broth and use your spatula to really mush the bread up in the broth, so that it absorbs all the liquid and resembles stuffing. Let it cook about 3 more minutes, to sop up all the flavor.

While everything is cooking in the pan, place hazelnuts in food processor and pulse until they are chopped (not pureed.) Pieces should range from itty bitty to pea sized. Transfer nuts to a large mixing bowl. (No need to clean it out for the next step.)

Add the lentils to the food processor and puree until relatively smooth. Now add the bread mixture from the pan into the processor and pulse 10 to 15 times. You want the mixture to hold together, but there should still be mushroom and celery visible, it shouldn’t be a puree.

Transfer this to the mixing bowl with the hazelnuts. Add in the cranberries and salt. The cranberries like to stick together so make sure you separate them. Combine thoroughly, using your hands if need be, to form a firm but still malleable mixture. Taste for salt and pepper.

Let the mixture cool completely. Refrigerate for 15 minutes or so, just to help it firm up and let the flavors meld a bit.

Rinse out your cast iron, and preheat on medium-high. Roll the burgers into 6 equal sized tennis balls. Wash your hands often and keep them a little damp during this process for that the burgers don’t stick to your hands.

Flatten into 1 1/2 inch thick patties. Cook in a thin layer of oil for about 4 minutes on each side. Serve on buns with greens and mayo. Die of happiness!

Recipes used with permission of Isa Chandra Moskowitz

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Voluptuous Pumpkin Pie

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  3. The Truth

    I do not fear any vegan, matter of fact I treat them just as they treat me.

    My religion calls for fasting during some days in the year. Fasting meaning abstaining from eating meat. If I go to a vegan's event and they provide no meat they are forcing me to fast. Therefore, if they show no respect for my views and beliefs why should I do the same for them? At my parties I serve meat with a side of meat. Exception is if a vegan invites me to their event and provides meat, then of course I will return the favor for them only.

    So in conclusion, if a vegan does not serve meat to their nonvegan guests they have no right to expect nonvegans to prepare a vegan dish for them. If they do expect it there is a word to discribe them, hypocrite.

    September 8, 2014 at 4:44 pm |
    • sam stone

      how is providing a no meat meal forcing you to fast?

      September 9, 2014 at 3:26 pm |
  4. Karen

    Goodness. When did food become such an issue? Most people don't eat exclusively meat in their diet anyway because it is simply too expensive. Besides holidays provide opportunities to remember family traditions which include special foods that no one eats on a regular basis, but which put us in contact with our past and our heritage. On those special days, what is more important? Being with family and friends and enjoying those relationships? Or having a food fight, which in my opinion ranks up there with having a fight over politics or religion? What ever happened to just being grateful that we have food or family and friends at all?

    Don't forget either, that for many people, food is a gift. It may not always be the tasty gift that you might be expecting, but if that person has spent the time and money to prepare that food and included you on the list that means you are special to them. To comment on the quality or lack thereof is the height of rudeness. Eating meat or cheese at such times will not kill anyone, unless they have an allergy to the food. Most of the time you can simply side step the problem by eating something before you arrive and then taking very small portions of a few things that don't offend your sensibilities too much.

    Today people often eat in restaurants more than they do at home and so they expect the cook to have several menu options on hand. And often this unreasonable. Family food preparers are not celebrity chefs or even cooks down at Taco Bell. Do you have any idea how annoying it is to have a list of "can't eat this" to try and accommodate? If not, maybe next year you should host the family meal. There is nothing like experience to make a person appreciate the time and effort to plan, prepare, and execute a meal for a large group of people. Instead of gagging on the food on the menu, bless the hands that prepared it and be grateful that those hands are present at your table for yet another holiday celebration.

    December 18, 2013 at 2:29 am |
    • supercarrot

      i don't think you quite understand the situation. (for vegans, animals aren't food. YOU might think they are, but for us, they're not.) how would you feel if someone who exclusively dines on crayons and paper invited you to a party and didn't think of your needs? would you eat the crayons and paper, even though you know it'll make you feel terrible and possibly mess up your digestion for a few days? (same with us. we haven't eaten animals in so long that our bodies really can't deal with it anymore.)

      you would feel loved and included if that person made you some actual food, right? (and it's not even a direct correlation, because in your situation, you can still eat the vegetables, whereas the crayon/paper person wouldn't eat the dish they theoretically make you.)

      also, it has nothing to do with commenting on the quality of the food. that's a disingenuous statement you made.

      and most of us do know people who have allergies. we know how it is to be on the receiving end, so if we know of allergies or aversions, we work around it. it's the polite thing to do. politeness is a 2-way street. if the hosts aren't polite enough to try and accommodate a guest, why should a guest be required to be polite and eat something that can potentially make them sick. that's ridiculous. if the host has no intention of trying to accommodate the guest, they should tell them straight up that they won't have anything to eat, and allow them the opportunity to decline the invitation.

      gosh, you're talking to us like we're picky children. the vegan community is vast. sure some use it as an excuse to not eat many foods, but others have deep ethical reasoning. (it's similar to a religion, but without the imaginary person telling them what not to do.)

      December 18, 2013 at 10:31 am |
      • VladT

        Applause to supercarrot for not only being a high and mighty vegan, but thank you for that condescneding remark on behalf of atheists as well there

        December 19, 2013 at 10:12 am |
        • supercarrot

          sorry. my frustration at all of karen's condescension got ahead of me. (she mentioned not to debate about religions, but then completely ignores the fact that veganism is about beliefs/religionesque.)

          i actually consider myself an apatheist (apathy+theology = meh/whatever/there are more important things) sorry for the "imaginary" in there. feel free to substitute a more appropriate word that takes into account everyone's beliefs/non-beliefs.

          also, what makes you think i'm high and mighty? i'm just trying to explain what it's like to be a vegan. (you know, put some shoes out there to help y'all empathize.)

          December 19, 2013 at 10:38 am |
  5. Enucia Vegan Soaps

    I'm always looking for new recipes. Food isn't the only vegan product. You should also look into vegan soap

    December 14, 2013 at 10:41 pm |
  6. Carn E. Vore

    First World Problems at their finest. You know what a Vegan is in the Third World? A poor hunter.

    November 29, 2013 at 11:26 am |
    • shawn l

      There are no vegans in the third world. They would all die from starvation. Vegan diets aren't natural and require a plethora of man made products.

      December 5, 2013 at 6:03 am |
      • supercarrot

        you don't know that. nobody knows that. they have no way of telling us, being 3rd world and everything. they also wouldn't know that we want to know. also, ethiopian cuisine is largely vegan. (and religious ethiopians are vegan for the entire month of lent, and on wednesdays and fridays throughout the rest of the year.) i wouldn't be surprised at all to find year-round vegans in ethiopia.

        i also wouldn't be surprised to find year-round vegans in mediterranean countries, as some other orthodox churches require veganism during lent. i wouldn't be surprised if there were some people who prefer eating that way. (all of catholocism used to be that way, but slowly, animal products infiltrated lent.)

        also, beans, grains, fruits, nuts, seeds, spices and vegetables aren't man-made. what are you talking about? (i would also argue that tofu and seitan aren't man-made either. if they're man-made, then i would counter-argue that every cooked meal is man-made.)

        December 5, 2013 at 9:29 am |
        • Thinking things through

          Fascinating and thanks for the link, Supercarrot. I'm wondering about the fish part, though (as meat and fish were considered separate when I was growing up Catholic). Vegan wasn't a word back in medieval Europe, so I am really curious.

          December 9, 2013 at 8:23 pm |
        • supercarrot

          oh yeah, "vegan" as a word is very 20th century. coined by the guy who started the vegan society in england. (wanna know something else fascinating? the word "vegetarian" used to actually mean vegan, but just like lent, dairy and eggs crept in; therefore requiring a new word to be created.) but anyway, even though the word didn't exist, that doesn't mean the concept couldn't exist. have you heard of the history of the color blue? there was a really neat radiolab episode about it.

          as for fish being considered not to be meat, i have no idea. wanna know another neat history of words? the word "meat" actually originally meant "food" (that's why we still say "nutmeats")

          i do have a suspicion that fish was allowed because of the whole multiplying loaves and fishes story. this is an interesting history page of lent. the strictness really let up. from 6 days a week of only eating one meal a day to only one day of eating fish. heh. and you wonder why i completely gave up on catholocism by 7th grade.

          December 9, 2013 at 8:51 pm |
        • Thinking things through

          I think some cultures/societies require vegetarianism, but not veganism, during Lent. And indeed, fish is usually permissible, too. Just trying to provide some accuracy here.

          December 9, 2013 at 7:56 pm |
        • supercarrot

          if by accuracy, you mean the opposite of what you said, then that's fine.

          go ahead and do a little research on even christian lent. waaaaay back, it actually was veganism. the history of the pretzel is tied to veganism during lent. eggs, dairy and eventually fish were concessions made by the pope. (mardigras/fat tuesday/pancake tuesday etc. are still around even though catholics no-longer have to give up their eggs and milk for lent.)

          ok, i'll throw you a bone, and link you to one of the first results for "pretzel lent"

          the more you know.

          December 9, 2013 at 8:10 pm |
        • Troll Cop

          Please don't feed the trolls.

          December 9, 2013 at 3:47 pm |
        • supercarrot

          i know. :-)
          it's a real bad habit of mine.
          (i tell myself i do it for the benefit of the readers who are on the fence, and don't know enough about the subject to be able to tell that the troll's ideas are bunk)

          December 9, 2013 at 3:57 pm |
        • shawn l

          Yes because tofu and seitan can be harvested in nature right?

          Eithiopia is your argument for vegan eating? THat's pretty hilarious.

          Without agriculture and man made products, humans would not survive on a vegan diet. That sir, is just a fact.

          December 7, 2013 at 11:53 pm |
        • supercarrot

          i still don't understand why you're so hung up on the falsity that vegans need tofu and seitan to survive. (you are aware of the fact that as long as someone is eating enough calories, they're also extremely likely to be eating enough protein?)

          in a forested situation, people can easily be vegan without agriculture and "man-made products". but we weren't talking about the lack of agriculture above. we were talking only about man-made products. (i love your strawman argument. it's refreshing, since i'm never presented with strawman arguments... oh wait. nevermind.)

          also, thanks for determining my gender. now i can proclaim to the world my non-self-selected change! thank you so much!

          December 9, 2013 at 3:31 pm |
  7. giannasmith

    Go ahead and fear the vegan. We're coming.

    November 29, 2013 at 4:15 am |
    • Carn E. Vore

      And I'm standing in my leather jacket with a porterhouse in each hand ready to smack you children down.

      November 29, 2013 at 11:27 am |
  8. giannasmith

    Well, thanksgiving just happened. These comments are full of subjective and hypothetical arguments. I just hosted 18 omnivores, not a veggie or even health conscious person among them. I had two gourmet chefs at the table with successful restaurants and half the table identifies as 'foodie'. The other half identify as traditional, regular American meat and dairy eaters who wouldn't touch 'vegan food' with a ten foot pole. I made 11 dishes, all completely traditional recipes like sweet potato pie, stuffing, pumpkin pie, cranberry sauce, apple pie. Every single dish was vegan. Not a single one of the omnivores noticed. The phrase 'best thanksgiving dinner ever' abounded. There was a turkey and mashed potatoes made by others, obviously not vegan, and those had the most left overs. In fact, all I have left is turkey and mashed potatoes, because the rest were taken home by guests. I was asked for recipes by 7 people. I'm a vegan, nobody at my table had a lesser meal because of that and neither did I, everyone ate fantastic food and no one was left out, ridiculed, or even talked about their food beliefs. That's 11 out of 13 vegan dishes. Good luck with your heart disease while I get funded to start a restaurant of my own. Nothing tastes as good as empirical evidence. Mmmmmm

    November 29, 2013 at 4:09 am |
    • Thinking things through

      As an omnivore, this sounds like it was a wonderful meal!

      December 9, 2013 at 8:00 pm |
    • shawn l

      You are naming dishes that are easily made vegan but would be better with eggs, milk or butter.

      December 5, 2013 at 6:05 am |
    • Carn E. Vore

      Instead of reading your nonsense I went out and killed nine animals just for fun. Then I went to the supermarket, bought all their chicken, and threw it away.

      November 29, 2013 at 11:17 am |
      • giannasmith

        Hmm, lying about how you actually spent your day to get attention, there's an app for that, it's called Facebook. Have fun being full of hatred and violent urges, you make it look so fun!

        November 29, 2013 at 10:24 pm |
        • Carn E. Vore

          You were lying about how you spent your day. I responded in kind...while eating a steak.

          November 30, 2013 at 8:34 am |
  9. knowyourolives

    It's interesting how so many of these "vegan hater" misanthropes somehow came across this article in the first place and were interested enough to actually read it and comment on it. Why do they feel so attacked by other people's diets? It seems like it's the same thing going on as with homophobia– many of the homophobes are probably afraid they themselves are actually homosexual, and react the way they do out of fear. So likewise, perhaps a lot of these folks are afraid they might actually be interested in eating healthy, delicious food that doesn't involve dead animals, and that somehow scares them. Really, though, adding some nutritious vegetable-based dishes, sans animal products, would be a win-win for everyone at the table, and I don't see how it could possibly offend anyone. You might even get some ideas for recipes you might enjoy cooking/preparing, serving, and eating. So dudes, chill out!

    Many of the commenters here, especially the "anti-vegan" faction here, are generalizing about people so much– so simplistic, and seemingly simpleminded. But people are just people– we shouldn't all be lumped into vegans or meat-eaters, or any other category. We're all unique individuals, with different dietary needs/preferences and different outlooks on life. Other people label me a vegan, and I'm fine with that if it makes it easier for them to understand what I will or won't eat. But that's how they label me; as far as I'm concerned, I'm just a guy with a diet based on veggies, free of any animal products, and yes, I do think it's an optimal diet, otherwise I wouldn't be doing it. I don't judge anyone who doesn't follow my diet, but since it's been so great for me, I would encourage anyone I know to give it a shot, just like if I see a movie I like, I'd encourage my friends to go see it too. If I recommend you go see Gravity in 3D Imax, is that preachy? Same thing with a vegan/plant-based diet... you have to try it, because it's so amazing and I think you might love it! Sure, some self-identifying vegans can be annoying, but lots of different kinds of people can be annoying for lots of different reasons. Anyway, if people are truly so put off by the idea of a meal without animal products, to the point that they couldn't possibly conceive of the idea of eating anything without meat, dairy, or egg, then they're probably eating way too much meat, dairy, and egg.

    As far as people with a vegan diet told to suck it up and adapt, well, that's what we have to do all the time in this meat-dairy-egg (and sugar and corn) dominated world. I don't like the idea of seeing a dead bird as the centerpiece of a dinner table, especially a factory-farmed Butterball turkey that has been pumped full of steroids and antibiotics and rushed through an assembly line where it may or may not be dead by the time it's dumped into a scalding hot tank of water. And on top of that, it probably has some enterococcus, E. coli, MRSA, salmonella, or campylobacter because the turkeys are given so many antibiotics (since they're raised in such disgusting circumstances) that they've become resistant to antibiotics. But I deal with it, and I just don't eat it. I don't discount the possibility that under very rare circumstances, I might have a piece of meat, fish, cheese or egg, if I am extremely comfortable with where it came from, and it's something I desire to eat at that moment, but even so it wouldn't be the basis of my meal, because my diet is based on plants, as are all of the healthiest diets all around the world. I do own a leather couch, shoes, and belts, so I do have some notable inconsistencies and I guess I'm imperfect and not a devout vegan, but I don't recall ever applying for a membership to the club. I consider myself an environmentalist, but I also drive a car sometimes.

    No, not everyone has to be vegan– of course not. It's not possible or practical for everyone in the world. I know there are some hardcore vegans who sincerely believe that, but it's never going to happen, so they need to get over it. Nevertheless, I do think that everyone should eat fewer animal-based foods, as well as less processed food, and incorporate a lot more plant-based foods, for the environment, your (and my) health– as a healthy person, my health insurance premiums pay for your bypass surgery– and for the better treatment of animals– if we're raising and slaughtering fewer animals, we can raise them and slaughter them more ethically, healthfully, and responsibly. How is that in any way controversial? I don't get it.

    To wrap this up, it's seriously not a big deal to make some dishes that don't contain any animal products, for everyone to enjoy, not just for your vegan guests, but for yourself and all of your guests. If the word "vegan" turns you off for some reason, or just throws you a curveball on life, then don't think of it in terms of vegan food, think of it in terms of plant-based food without animal products. If you don't like gay marriage, then don't get gay married. And if you don't like kale salad with lentils and butternut squash, then don't eat kale salad with lentils and butternut squash, but I highly recommend it, because it's seriously delicious.

    November 27, 2013 at 4:10 am |
    • Thinking things through

      Nice post, Olives. I'm an omnivore, but I try to eat responsibly - avoiding factory farmed animals, and buying most items of any sort at my farmers' markets. I'm not perfect, though - if I am at someone's house, I find it impossible to make a "statement" over what I am served. Someone was generous enough to make me a meal... It is rough, considering that.

      December 9, 2013 at 9:04 pm |
    • Shaun and millions more videos out there...

      November 27, 2013 at 10:19 am |
    • VladT

      I have no issues with vegans....I have issues with people who feel superior for any reason, unjustly so. Hence, I scour this page for elitist Vegemities and meat eaters a like. I laugh at how defensive meat eaters get because they sound silly, but I love how Vegans tell me not to sterotype them, then make statements that I am obese, diabetic, and/or dying of heart disease.
      For the record, work two jobs, play basketball and volleyball, and happily eat meat. That is why I personally like to rile up Vegans....I am vindictive, and in person I wouldn't let anyone look down on my lifestyle choice (interesting you bring up comparisons to homophobia), so in type I like to mess with you guys.
      Happy Thanksgiv-ukkah!

      November 27, 2013 at 10:14 am |
      • ∞ Weeds ∞ @knowyourolives

        How dare you ruin the reputation of Aussies Vegemite by comparing it to a vegan! That don't taste the same for starters.

        November 27, 2013 at 1:33 pm |
      • knowyourolives

        A third of the people in the US are obese. Heart disease is the leading cause of death. Something is amiss. This occurs because of the Standard American Diet, which is based on animal products, sugar, saturated fat, and processed foods. It is not a problem with a diet based on plants. And with the mass industrialization of food animals, there are huge environmental and ethical problems. It's not a matter of criticizing or feeling superior, it's just pointing out the obvious: it's healthier to eat more plants and less meat, dairy, and processed food. Isn't that a better solution for our healthcare crisis than a thousands page law? The article gives some healthy and tasty ideas for recipes. What's the controversy? It sounds like you're a hard working guy with a healthy diet and you get plenty of exercise. I got a little (a lot) long-winded in my response, but I was just blown away by the crazy reactions people have. But as you said, they're probably just riling people up for fun.

        November 27, 2013 at 2:31 pm |
        • Thinking things through

          Pardon, but the Standard American Diet is based on processed foods, starches and sugars. Yes, there's some meat in it, but it isn't the healthiest selections of meats. Good meat, like good fats and good carbs, is good for you.

          November 30, 2013 at 1:26 pm |
    • Dick Longwood


      November 27, 2013 at 12:57 pm |
    • ∞ Weeds ∞ @knowyourolives

      You, are a fine example of being loquacious.
      There are many examples of Chekhov's gun in your diatribe. This is probably why you tend to loose your audience before you are finished.

      (I've learned so much in such little time)

      November 27, 2013 at 1:29 pm |
      • knowyourolives

        I didn't realize I was being graded, but thanks for the feedback I guess.

        November 27, 2013 at 2:02 pm |
  10. McPorkens

    "Auntie Kenma...I think there's a mistake. You've served me the food that my food eats"

    November 26, 2013 at 8:39 pm |
  11. ohfer stupid

    I don't "fear" vegans...I just don't cater to eating disorders at my table. If they want to avoid everything that looked at an animal, they can feel free to graze on the salad (and pick out the cheese if I choose to add any).

    November 26, 2013 at 7:52 pm |
  12. are122

    There are vegans in my family. At Thanksgiving there was always a line of regular and a line of vegan foods. I actually like some vegan food but it's simply too expensive to buy much of...and I am not a cook.

    November 26, 2013 at 7:49 pm |
    • supercarrot

      as long as you don't rely on pre-packaged meat analogues and cheese analogues and frozen meals etc., vegan food is incredibly inexpensive. (gosh, one .99 cent lb of lentils alone can make like 6-8 meals. lentils are awesome!)

      November 27, 2013 at 1:22 am |
    • Not always good for you

      Often "vegan" is code for "heavily processed, loaded with unfermented soy and products that are high in gluten."

      November 26, 2013 at 7:55 pm |
  13. McPorkens

    I wonder if a "Vegan" host would cater to an omnivores dietary needs.

    I won't hold my breath.

    November 26, 2013 at 7:47 pm |
    • precisely

      They wouldn't reciprocate, so I invite them to prepare their own food and bring it if they wish to enjoy the company...because this is decidedly a household where animal products will be consumed. I would not expect them to prepare a turkey and gravy, they don't expect me to make tofurky. Done.

      November 26, 2013 at 8:06 pm |
  14. Jzunique

    My husband and I follow a no fat added, whole foods plant based way of eating ( I don't consider it a diet. It is more of a lifestyle.) When we are invited to the homes of our friends, we always take something we can eat so that we can enjoy their company. We don't expect them to cook something special for us. We do like to be included, and they respect our way of eating and are not offended by our bringing a dish of our own. We will be enjoying Thanksgiving with "carnivore" friends. We are taking several dishes to share. Why do some who are posting assume that we expect to be catered to because we choose to eat differently? Did you ask? Try asking, you may be pleasantly surprised!

    November 26, 2013 at 7:42 pm |
  15. Fiona

    The snide tone of this article gives a big f u to vegans and vegetarians, under the thinly veiled guise of being helpful. Well, right back atcha, sweetie. You are the one who needs to "chill out." Attitudes like this are the reason I decline invitations to Thanksgiving meals. I'd rather spend time with my attitude-free, vegetarian loved ones. And besides, anyone who thinks it is easy for a real vegetarian or vegan to sit in the midst of all that greasy, smelly meat and fatty side dishes simply does not get it.

    November 26, 2013 at 7:25 pm |
    • Thinking things through

      A lot of vegans (not all) are NOT "attitude-free". Personally, I want to surround myself with friends who have great personalities, no matter their personal diet. What I like about the people I chose to eat with: We are NOT all alike!

      November 26, 2013 at 9:33 pm |
  16. rainbow cadet

    Easiest way to handle a vegan at your dinner party (Thanksgiving, Christmas or other party) is to just makes sure there is an extra serving or two of each vegetable you are providing for the dinner.

    November 26, 2013 at 7:23 pm |
    • Fiona

      With the caveat that you don't want to cook them or top them with bitter cheese, etc.

      November 26, 2013 at 8:17 pm |
      • Fiona

        ...while bitter cheese isn't a good idea, what I meant was butter, cheese, etc.

        November 26, 2013 at 10:01 pm |
  17. YumYumMeat

    Humans are omnivorous animals. As such, we eat a variety of things, including meat. If someone comes to your house, simply ask them to be a human. Anyone who wants you to cook special dishes for their fad diet can get bent.

    November 26, 2013 at 7:04 pm |
    • Nick

      You're an idiot.

      November 26, 2013 at 7:34 pm |
    • Fiona

      Gee, you must have LOADS of friends.

      November 26, 2013 at 8:18 pm |
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