 Chefs with Issues is a platform for chefs and farmers we love, fired up for causes about which they're passionate. Virginia Willis, a graduate of L'Academie de Cuisine and Ecole de Cuisine LaVarenne, is the author of "Bon Appétit, Y’all" and "Basic to Brilliant, Y'all." As a chef and food writer, I rarely eat fast food. The quality is generally atrocious and much of it is radically unhealthy. The menu offerings are the polar opposite of local and seasonal. There are dire implications concerning worker’s rights and wages, as well as animal welfare and factory farms. It doesn’t matter where you are in the country, every interstate exit is identical with the same usual suspects offering the same sad sacks of chemically laced, artificially flavored fare, all swimming in high-fructose corn syrup. Cheap, fast food is at the core of what is wrong with our food system. Yet, there’s one thing that trumps my French-training and chef sensibilities; I love Chick-fil-A. My favorite sandwich is the classic fried chicken sandwich on the buttered bun. The steam from the slightly sweet, golden brown chicken condenses inside the foil-lined package and wilts the bread, just enough. I prefer plain, no lettuce, no tomato, just mayonnaise, and the perfect pop of sour pickle. I’ve always known that founder Truett Cathy was a religiously conservative Christian. I applaud the fact that he’s closed on Sundays and strong in his faith. The outlets are part of the local community, supporting the schools and sports teams. I admire the work of Chick-fil-A’s WinShape Foundation in regards to foster homes, scholarships and education, food donations for disaster relief, first responders and the military. Service, volunteering and giving back are at the heart of Chick-fil-A, qualities I aspire to, advocate and admire. I, too, am a Christian. I am also a lesbian. And while many religious conservatives think I am going to burn in hell and my existence is a crime against nature, I refuse to believe that God doesn’t love me because I am gay. I refuse to believe that God made a mistake. I refuse to believe that something is wrong with me and I need “conversion therapy.” I refuse to call those anti-same sex marriage groups "pro-family" because that doesn’t include my very real family, my love and my commitment to my partner. I also absolutely refuse to believe that if I choose to marry another woman that I am somehow harming the institution of marriage. Controversy erupted last summer with Chick-fil-A president and chief operating officer Dan Cathy's remarks about being against gay marriage, “guilty as charged.” It led to Mike Huckabee’s crusade, Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day and the subsequent boycott of Chick-fil-A by gay, lesbian and like-minded individuals, myself included. The Chick-fil-A website states that the corporate giving has been “mischaracterized.” Well, there’s nothing “mischaracterizing” about their – now former – funding of the ultra-conservative groups such as Family Research Council, Eagle Forum and Exodus International, all aggressively anti-homosexual. Just this week, gay rights organization Campus Pride issued a statement claiming that Chick-fil-A gave the organization's executive director, Shane Windmeyer, access to recent Chick-fil-A tax documents. After reviewing the company's 2011 and 2012 financials – which have not been released publicly – Windmeyer said Chick-fil-A no longer gives funds to “the most divisive anti-LGBT groups.” For a long time, I cast a blind eye towards Chick-fil-A's corporate giving and, through my patronage, contributed to the very religious conservative groups that abhor my existence. Ah, the power of a chicken sandwich. But, when it all came to a head last summer, I could no longer ignore it. I quit supporting Chick-fil-A and said farewell to my favorite beverage, the perfect thirst-quenching combination of a half-and-half tea. The truth is that Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day was not about freedom of speech. It was simply a thinly veiled protest against homosexuals, period. Those swarms of conservatives weren’t lining up around the block getting waffle fries and chicken sandwiches to protest such lofty ideals as upholding the constitution and protecting the First Amendment. I believe they were showing that they are united against same-sex marriage and against gays, in general. So, earlier this week I drew a shallow breath of relief when the news surfaced that Chick-fil-A wasn’t as aggressively homophobic and had quit funding the groups. The company website states, “Our intent is not to support political or social agendas.” The recent news may have influenced me subconsciously stopping and picking up a half-and-half tea just this very morning, the first I’ve had since summer. I enjoyed it thoroughly, but going forward, I’m honestly not certain what I will do - if I will continue my renewed patronage of Chick-fil-A or not. Truthfully, I now have a bit of a bitter taste in my mouth and sadly, my once perfect half-and half tea just doesn’t taste as sweet. Previously - Opinion: Why I’m celebrating Chick-fil-Gay Appreciation Day and Fast food with a side of faith and Chicken and politics |
I think the writer of this commentary missed the point of the "appreciation" day altogether. It was in fact a Free Speech support and not an anti-gay support. It was supporting a company who was getting bullied because of the beliefs of the owner which in no way impacted his hiring policies or customer service.
The writer can "thin" or "assume" anything he/she wants and thankfully still has a right to communicate his/her thoughts but once speech becomes "outlawed" or threatened by Government that is "anti-gay" then it is only a matter of time before a new electorate and a new culture in indoctrinated where speech that is "pro-gay" gets on the hit list.
The shame is that we just don't get it.
Wow, it is a shame that YOU don't get it. I suppose ignorance is bliss though, so enjoy. But I suggest you don't post your stupidity as fact in the future – you just sound like a crazy person.
Thank God for Chick-Fil-A.
how is that I am a lesbian and a Christian work? did you read that in the article? it is like saying i worship allah but am a christian... makes no sense
the same way a divorced and remarried person claims christianity –the bible is more clear on adultery and that reamarriage is adultery in the eyes of god
Here is the problem with all this controversy. Everybody is doing something wrong in the eyes of God. I am doing something wrong (lying, stealing, etc) while a person who is gay is also doing something wrong, being gay. A gay person may be a good person, but like everyone else they have a sin (gay) that they are doing and that is what needs to be addressed. Hate the sin not the person. Like my friends who was once on drugs ( a sin) people who are gay (a sin) need to find a way away from this lifestyle. And just because a restaurant doesnt like approve of something doesnt mean you have to attack them for isnt that exactly what you say you are doing to them, being bigoted. In my opinion most Americans either dont care or really think being gay is wrong
Chick fil A chicken sandwiches have always been the best fast food chicken sandwiches in America. They were untouchable, but this company has shown its ugly hand, so now I dont like to frequent the place. LUCKILY, there is a good susbtitute for their chicken sandwich, as McDOnalds has done a good job of copying their sandwich. Just steam the buns when ya get home or ask Mcdonalds to steam the buns for you like they do that fish sandwich. BLAMO – its almost exactly like a chik fil A sandwich, without the religious intlerance and hypocrisy!!! Now Mcdonalds needs to make those waffle fries, and we can say ADIOS to Chik FIl A forever!!!!!
I'm so disappointed in Shane Windmeyer for leading CampusPride to drop it's protest of Dan Cathy and Chick-fil-A Stores. In Mr. Windmeyer's explanation, he clearly states that Mr. Cathy has said he will never support same-sex marrriage. So Mr. Windmeyer is willing to accept second-class citizen status as long as Dan Cathy changes his pattern of donations? Dan Cathy has cleverly silenced a 10-year critic, and he hasn't changed his position at all. I do not support Mr. Windmeyer's decision, and I urge CampusPride to once again take up protest against Dan Cathy and Chick-fil-A, until and unless he's ready to support equality for all. This is a SECULAR society; his religious beliefs should have nothing to do with his position on equality for all.
How do you know that the franchise owner at your favorite McDonalds isn't anti-gay or ant-anything else..I know your answer already..out of sight out of mind...correct?
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The only mistake CEI/Chicken Man made was going public, and this is from a business standpoint. He already had the built in bible belt market and other conservative groups, all he did was alienate the opposite verticals (albeit, probably a short lived one for most if honest). Really, who cares what they fund, if you dig in to many other fortune 500's you will find the same theme/funding, most are just smart at not advertising their position (or speaking to the media).
You don't like or approve of gays? Don't become one. You don't want a abortion? Don't have one. Amazing how much wasted energy is spent on either subject matter when it does not affect any lives of the general public on a daily basis (how would this if you really ponder the thought? Other then mental stimulation by peers at church, their pastor, internal guilt or self hate, who cares? Lets solve world hunger and cancer/heart disease before we waste another ounce of breath on same sex marriage and or abortion.
Oops, that makes way too much sense. How else do we get a pulse out of our dying voting block.
That "makes sense" only if your not capable of actual intellectual thought.
Your statement – "Don't like gays? Don't become one" is a ridiculous statement.
I am sure those that don't, won't. However, they also feel that supporting and promoting the gay lifestyle/agenda endangers or encroaches on their value system and way of life. It's like your saying, "don't like noisy, obnoxious neighbors? Don't become one". Not "becoming one" does nothing to improve your situation.
Same for abortion. Religious reasons aside – For those that feel that life begins at conception or shortly thereafter, they are fighting to protect an innocent life from being snuffed out.
People try to make the abortion argument about groups who want to "take away my rights, invade my privacy, meddle with my reproductive privileges", when it has nothing to do with that at all. In fact, they could probably care less about what you do with your body as an adult.
They have looked at both sides of the equation –
Your inconvenience (brought on by your own negligence or irresponsibility) vs. A helpless baby being horrifically dismembered (remember – they see life as beginning at conception). They are fighting FOR the baby, not AGAINST the mother.
If in England, say, the guidelines for legal abortion were raised from second trimester to, oh, lets say 3 years after delivery, and Brits were dismembering screaming, crying three year olds by the hundreds of thousands each year, how would you feel about it then?
No difference to those who believe life begins at conception.
I support this restaurant. Some groups call us Bigots. Some groups call their lifestyle perversion. The most important thing is that the discussion is kept open and alive. CNN and other Liberal outlets should not filter comments or belieifs just because they are pro-homosexual marriage. I personally don't care what people do...I do care when their agenda is not to preserve their personal freedom but to impose on mine. I will continue to support this restaurant.
Bubba, how in the heck is being pro-gay marriage imposing on your freedom? You sound like you're complaining that they're being intolerant of your intolerance. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your point.
Hopefully, someday with our technology.... we will be able to fix or prevent Gays from being born. Perhaps it is a Genetic thing. Hey.... we would love to cure baldness, why not Homosexuality????
The religious right is so wound up with what they believe that they don't know how to deal with actual FACTS. Global climate change and evolution are scientifically irrefutable, much like the earth being round, rotating on its axis and orbiting the sun. Gays are not an aberration of nature. Some of the greatest people I know are gay. And, though it won't affect much, I will not be ordering any Chick-Fil-A ever again. They got a boost from the bigots on Chick-Fil-A appreciation day. I actually appreciate that they made their opinions public. They may have stopped contributing to Anti-Gay organizations, but they are still anti-gay.
Chick-fil-a likes everyone that eats at their restaurants. They are in the chicken sandwich business not the gay business or the straight business. Just because the CEO has an opinion that differs from gay rights activists regarding gay marriage does not mean that Chick-fil-a does not like everyone that chooses to eat at their restaurant. It's the gay rights activists that are generating all the hate here, and trying to put their hateful feelings and manipulative tactics forward as if it is Chick-fil-a creating this. It's not. Gay rights activists are liars and manipulators. Gay or straight, you can eat anyplace you want. If you don't like Chick-fil-a then go eat at The White House in Anaheim. It's an Italian, gay owned business. But it's your choice. It's the gay rights activists that are so full of hate.
Larry, how would you feel if you found out that a business you frequented hated Jews and you were part of that community? What if you discovered they were financing anti-black organizations and your were African American? Would the food still taste as good to you, knowing you were funding groups that believed you were inferior, and could possibly back laws to hurt you and your family? Put the shoe on the other foot, Larry. It's very easy to connect the dots: if one company can do this to one community, they can do it to all.
NotYourBusiness: There is a difference between hating someone (as you state) and hating their actions. I love my children, but I hate it when they behave poorly – i.e. not getting their facts straight and acting irradically based on their narrow views.
I love my homosexual friends, but I loathe their lifestyle. And, no, there is no scientific evidence that supports the view that homosexuality is a born trait; as there is evidence of trait differences between races (skin color), age, gender, and many other biological parameters that are not one's choice.
Whenever I see that a company is closed on Sundays because they are religious and want to give their employees the day off to "worship as they please," I wonder why they don't hire any Jews. (Or just don't care whether their Jewish employees get sufficient time to worship.)
I honestly don't see the issue. The owner is Christian, so his company...that is his property...adheres to that schedule. I abhor the bigotry towards others, but being closed on Sundays is a non-issue. Some Jewish-run businesses are closed on Saturdays. What's the problem? Good for them. The "worship as they please" is code for "do whatever they feel like". I'm not seeing the outrage here.
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Joshua Dewal is a spammer and a liar.
He may be a spammer and a liar, but we accept him for who he is and do not discriminate against him. As long as he does not physically injure others, he is free to intellectually manipulate those whom are gullible. Since when is it "wrong" to influence others to conduct themselves in a manner which benefits the speaker? Was Charles Manson wrong to recruit others to join him? Or Jim Jones, or Osama Bin Laden? Can you honestly say that the world would be a better place if these people would have been captured and locked away long before they acted upon their ideals? Do the gays manipulate those who are gullible? Yes they do. Do the conservatives manipulate those who are gullible? Yes they do. Perhaps high schools should include courses on morality and independent thinking. Study the issues and their arguments, and make informed decisions.
You missed the point about Joshua DeWal. His comment has nothing to do with the current discussion at all but is rather pushing another work at home get rich with your computer scam that shouldn't even be allowed on this discussion page.
You completely missed the point and should put your computer away. Dan is clearly being sarcastic and tongue in cheek about the source of discussion. He has turned what is clearly a spam comment into the focus of the original topic. Explaining this to you ruins the joke. I bet you're a blast at parties.
Too Funny....MeanOldMan please subscribe to the Onion for more enlightenment.
Thanks for the laugh, Dan. Looks like you hooked one!
Jesus loves gays and chicken sandwiches. He stated in Deutoronamics that 'let not one be mutually excluded from the other. For whomsoever harbors hate is misguided, and must as well accept the fry from the potato in criss-crossed manner to honor Me and My sacrifice. I mean, I freaking bled on a cross for you idiots. Now eat your damn sandwich and share it with a gay."
"Jesus loves gays..."? Think again.
Heh! Jesus *was* gay. Look at that beautiful, long flowing hair, the loose, flowing robes, the simpering expression. (Don't get your shorts too much into a knot – I'm of course kidding.) I do, however, question whether Jesus ever really existed, and I positively do not think he was the "son of God," because there's no evidence for His existence.
yes. Jesus even loves gays not because they are gay but because they are people. This is not to say that He accepts their sin however. But even gay people have the chance to repent from this sin and return to Him remembering that sin separates us from God. Our only hope is faith in Jesus..that guy who allowed himself to be sacrificed in a very horrific away that none should perish who believe in Him and turn from sin.
Always so much fun to listen to believers spout on and on with their little metaphors
I havent ate there in a year....not because I support or dont support any cause...but because I SURE DONT WANT ME BUYING FAST FOOD becomming an act to support any one eles's either.
By that logic, you shouldn't be eating or buying anything anywhere. Virtually all companies support some cause in one way or another. The article mentions many good things the company supports. Attacks on them for something they haven't even supported for a while is untimely not to mention risking all the good things they do.
During Chick-Fil-A Appreciation day, a local gay group in Sacramento CA urged its members to support a specific Chick-Fil-A. It was a franchise and the owner was a gay rights supporter. It Appears that the Chick-Fil-A corporation has no problem with its franchisers giving their money to gay rights groups. This makes the Chick-Fil-A corporation more tolerant of different views than the gays who attack Chick-Fil-A for its views. This also means the attacks on Chick-Fil-A is also hurting many gay rights supporters among the company franchisers.
Ken you are a LIAR on several levels. Chick-fil-A only has one franchise location and it is located at The Ted.
SuperJ you are a LIAR on several levels. Chick-fil-A more than 1000 franchise locations.
OMG, everyone is a LIAR!!!!!!!!
Who can I believe anymore?
The best point this writer makes is how bad fast food is, especially for not even tasting good. How hard would it be to hock beans and brown rice or a small pack of steamed brussels sprouts out of a drive through? If it's not going to taste good anyway, it might as well be healthy...
This article is fundamentally flawed. This lady on one hand says "I applaud the fact that he’s closed on Sundays and strong in his faith" and then says "I cast a blind eye towards Chick-fil-A's corporate giving and, through my patronage, contributed to the very religious conservative groups that abhor my existence"
She likes Chick-Fil-A's religious affiliation but not their view about gays, because she happens to be one.
I personally do not like when a company(public/private), an organization or public entity (school) affliate to a particular religion, even if that religion is Hindu which I belong to.
I am proud to be associated with two best secular country's in the world India and USA. I do not expect religious bullying in either of these countries. We have countries like Iran, Pakistan etc to do those things.
This is the only good fast food restaurant, in my opinion. Food is good, healthier than other joints, and the customer service is off the charts. The chief operating officer has a right to his opinion that homosexuality is wrong, but he does not refuse to serve them. If this writer doesn't like it, she can cook her own chicken .... it's not hard. Homosexuals act like such prima donnas. They would be better off not flaunting themselves as if they are some special species. Heterosexuals don't flaunt their sexuality. A person should not advertise their sexual preference because no one else cares.
Carole, "Heterosexuals don't flaunt their sexuality" ?????? Are you kidding????? At every restaurant you go to, every time you walk in the street, straight people are holding hands, hugging, kissing in public. Maybe you're blind to it because you're part of it. When you're not, you realize it's EVERYWHERE. Would you also tell traditional Hindu or Muslim people to stop dressing like they do, because they're flaunting who they are? Or maybe black people should use lighter foundation, because we might realize they're another race? You are bigoted, Carole. No one cares what you have to say. Perhaps you should learn a little tolerance for your fellow man.
Succinct and to the point. There can be no doubt that those organizations, companies, and others who discriminate against other human beings and choose to promote bigotry, intolerance, and prejudice should not receive the monetary benefits from those whom they target. They need to first issue a very public nationwide apology for mistreatment of these tax-paying citizens who undoubtedly suffer emotionally from such prejudice but who also vote and contribute much to society and who also are well-educated for the most part and hold important jobs countrywide. Again, no one who has been discriminated against, anywhere, should continue to patronize a business that is so radical and that thinks of them as second-class citizens. Period!
Keep all these sh!tholes south of the Mason-Dixon line where they will fit right in with all the other sh!tholes.
All your jobs are now our jobs.
Some. But not all. And that's because you work for half the pay.
You should be able to donate where ever you want. This is sooo out there. Private business has the right to do what the heck they want with their money. I do not hear all of this garbage when you see the logo of support to the gay movement.
"I do not hear all of this garbage when you see the logo of support to the gay movement."
Of COURSE you don't! Supporting LGBT does NOT HURT anyone nor infringe on anyone's rights, so there is NO reason to complain!
Actually, you do hear protests in the other direction. Conservative groups tried to boycott JC Penney because they have Ellen DeGeneres as a spokesperson. The boycott went nowhere, but they tried.
So a company makes some radical changes in policies. Concessions to your cause. And you're questioning whether to support.
Here is what happens if you don't support after those changes. Why should Chick-fil-A care?
Rather, you should organize an appreciation day. A thank you. Saying this is where we needed you to go.
;-)
We arrive in rusty 1964 motorhomes.
We bring our bibles and loaded assault weapons.
We wear ridiculous clothing and have teabags dangling from our earlobes.
We carry misspelled racist signs as we stomp all over the White house lawn.
We eat Chick-fil-A and wash it down with Everclear.
We are Sarah Palin's real Americans.
We love the baby jesus but we love to boink our cousins even more.
We believe that the earth is only 6,000 years old and that early man walked with the dinosaurs.
We believe that nascar is a real sport and that Dale Earnhardt was a great American athlete.
We are the birthers. We are tea party patriots.
We are bigots and inbreds. We are toothless morons and we are proud.
We are Leftists, and we only ever argue by lying.
You're just as bigoted to me it sounds like. NASCAR fans...really??? Fans of a freakin' motorsport? You're an idiot.
I'm an Obama leftist that hopes I never see your ugly bigoted face at my home track, because you're a tool and you're not wanted around.
It's a known fact that NASCAR appeals to teabaggers because it is they who enjoy watching shiny metal objects go around in circles.
There you go again palintwit – driving the batsh!t's batsh!t. Outstanding! Keep up the fine work.
Thanks Hard Drinkin' . It's not an easy job, though.
Sweet! Now do Italians, Irish, and Asians! Get all of our funny bigoted stereotypes rockin at once!
Thanks Wingman but my area of expertise is Sarah Palin, birthers, teabaggers, evangelicals, etc. In short, anyone who believes that early man rode dinosaurs to church every Sunday.
I'm not gay, and I'm fairly indifferent on the issue of gay rights. However, the whole Chick-fil-A controversy left a bad taste in my mouth. I find their CEO to be a bigot. I haven't eaten there since the controversy, and not because of any major stand I chose to take. It's simply because I chose not to give my money to companies who act contemptibly.
This whole controversy reminds me so much of junior high school. If you don't agree with me then I'm going to take my ball and go elsewhere. Should we now all check to see if we agree with the owners of any store before we shop there? If I am homosexual and you don't believe in gay marriage then I won't shop and your store and if I am not homosexual and you believe in gay marriage, am I not supposed to shop at your store. It all seems so childish and stupid. Everybody is entitled to their opinion. I suggest that if you like an establishment, whether a restaurant or whatever, then shop there. If you don't like their product, then don't go there. I just think we all probably have better things to do than spend our time checking out a store owner's beliefs before we decide to shop there. I don't agree with everything some of my best friends believe in, why do I have to agree with someone I don't even know before I shop there?
" Should we now all check to see if we agree with the owners of any store before we shop there?"
Yep. Why not? What if a store owner was anti-Ameircan? Would you still shop there because you love the fries? Obviously none of us have time to research every owner's beliefs and where his or her money is spent, but when these things come out, and the owners proudly admit to them, consumers have a right to vote with their wallets. That's the American way.
Hear hear!
Bill,
We may not be gay. But can we really afford to be indifferent to groups subjected to bigoted bullying? Our youth learn how to be mean to each other from their parents own intolerance of people that are different. While many kids eventually learn to be balanced toward others, a small minority never do... Some of those go on to become destructive in our society.
It is easy to cast an indifferent eye on those that you don't identify with. But in doing so, it makes it ok for those people to become more isolated, and subject to more bigotry. It is not enough for each of us to claim we are not bigots. If you are truly not a bigot, you should be able to recognize that your indifference helps empower the bigots to continue in their ways.
I applaud you for recognizing the bigots, and taking even a small stand. But I challenge you and everyone to recognize that all of us deserve the right to live our lives as part of a community that cares for everyone. You may not need the same things as the LGBT's, but ALL groups have legitimate needs that deserve more than indifference from others.
If the scale were painted white on the end of being supportive, and black on the end of being a bigot, I see indifference at being in the 75% black range. If you are wondering why it is not closer to 50%, it is because I see indifference as the close companion to the bigot. I think Bill is less indifferent than he states, as he did call out the bigotry... So bravo that!
Your God sucks. I don't care if he exists.
Grow up.
The cure for mindless bigotry is education.
If this was the Middle East they'd light that retarded rainbow flag on fire and stomp on it, which I would love to see.
That may be. But it's also making you jealous. Take a pill o'caller of tards.
@What a nation,
I'm straight. Once again you have made a complete fool of yourself for everyone to see.
I find it amazing that the most hate filled responses to this are from those claiming to be those that are supposedly the most moral and righteous. If that is what your "god" preaches then he can shove his teachings and the followers that profess to believe in him.
First of all, this article is a pitiful attempt at bringing back a retired social issue. Very poor form, CNN.
Secondly, if you are gay, you cannot be Christian. Period. The Bible is entirely clear on the subject. You don't get to pick and choose which parts of it you accept and which you don't. Either the book is valid, or, it is not. People that are gay and try to claim Christianity are the most pitiful people around. Trying to belong to a group that thinks you should burn in Hell is just astounding.
You can obviously believe in God. But if you're gay, you cannot realistically believe in the Christian God. If you do, you are completely in denial of reality.
Well I am sorry but you're wrong Nick. I too am gay and a Christian. If you knew very much about the teachings of Jesus (which are the real core Christian beliefs) then you would know that Jesus had nothing to say on the subject, nothing at all. His only mention that comes close, was in response to a question about divorce. The sole voice in the NT that condemns Homosexuality is that of Paul, who never met Jesus during His lifetime and who has been a controversial figure in Christianity from the earliest days. Your assertion that you have to accept the whole Bible–or have none of it–is just simplistic and–pardon me–but just as narrow minded as those you criticize. You have a brain and–I assume, a functioning judgment–one can pick the parts of any philosophy or religion and choose to ignore the irrelevant and spurious. Perhaps you should study how Thomas Jefferson literally took a pair of scissors to the Bible and cut out all the material not spoken by Jesus and produced the Jefferson Bible–devoid of the distractions of heresy, superstition and fluff. Any conscientious Christian can–indeed must–do the same thing Jefferson did.
The Bible is a bunch of BS, and your God sucks. I don't give a damn whether God exists or not.
What a pathetic hypocrite you are and what a small uneducated world you must live in. I actually feel sorry for you.
I guess this article reflects tolerance by the definition itself:
Tolerance -
2a : sympathy or indulgence for beliefs or practices differing from or conflicting with one's own
Quite honestly this article was a waste of time and space. You don't want to eat at this chicken place? Who freaking cares! I am sure there are LOTS of places that don't want me to eat at their establishment because of what I represent – do I still frequent there? Yea if I am hungry. Please don't over dramatize your little issue in being gay and not feeling welcome. Welcome to living life. You're not important because your gay. You're just looking for an excuse. None here – you're just like every other person that occupies space and is breathing air. Get over yourself.
what a garbage article .So lemme get this straight.You believe that the God of the bible created the world and that Christ died for your sins and was raised again,but then you have the audacity to claim to a all powerful God whom you said you believe in that because the lifestyle you wanna live doesnt match what the Bible says your going to disregard that and do what you want.Talk about no substance or integrity behind your convictions.I would have more respect if you said you didnt believe in God,but to acknowledge him and do what you know goes against his word is basically thumbing your nose at God and pretending that as long as you act self righteous it doesnt matter what God says.You really think God will say "you know i thought homosexuality was a abomination,but since you seem so passionate about it,it doesnt really matter what i think,i mean all i did was create the universe ,so go ahead and live your homosexual lifestyle.ill look the other way and act like it didnt happen."I could go on and mock you more for your idiocy but if you really believe in God then your best to take his word seriously and not try to make excuses for why you rebel against his word.We all sin and have issues that are hard for each of us to overcome,but that isnt the problem, if you deny that it is sin and try to justify your actions then you arent just overcome by the bondage of sin but youve embraced it as more valuable than everything else in life,even more valuable than truth.
There will be alot of hateful and vile responses because i show passion about my convictions but they are to be expected in this corrupted world.If you really do have any belief in God you need to ask yourself,do you value your desires or Gods desires more ,for even Satan and demons believe in God,but they don't follow him.
Robert,
"if you really believe in God then your best to take his word seriously"
So you believe in slavery and discrimination against women and the handicapped, right?
Or do you just pick and choose like when you pick on gays?
yes. I do pick and choose when I pick on gays. and blacks. and whites. and straights. and women. and men. and the elderly. and the children. and the rich. and the poor. I pick very carefully. I don't pick on people. We all have a cross to bear, be it what it may. I have empathy for all but the most horrific of the bunch. Wish all the rest smoothest of sailings.
God loves all of his children, gay and straight.
Pmdww2,
You seem to be a Christian who actually follows the critically important Golden Rule. I wish there were far more Christians like you.
Wow, Robert, let me just start off by saying you're a sad person. Why is it that you kind of Christians have to give all Christians a bad name.
You are very wrong on almost everything you say. Must I remind you that the Bible was about 2,000 years ago by not God himself but....wait for it...MAN! The same man that wages wars and sins left and right.
I am 100% sure that if I asked you why you think homosexuality is an abomination you would say for the bible says so. And it does. Leviticus 18-22. I want to sell my daughter as sanctioned in Exodus 21-7. She speaks Italian and is a very good cook. What would a good price be? As an Airline Pilot I am required to work on the Sabbath from time to time. So are doctors, police, air traffic controllers, and even the President of the United States of America from time to time because sickness, crime, travel, or domestic and foreign issues don't rest. Exodus 35-2 clearly says they should be put to death. Here's one that's particularly important to football fans (btw, Im sad the 9ers lost)...Touching the skin of a dead pig makes one unclean, Leviticus 11-7. If they promise to wear gloves can the Ravens still play? Can Notre Dame? Can West Point? Does the whole town have to be together to stone me if I want to plant two crops side by side? Can I burn my mother in a small family gathering for wearing garments from two different threads? Mr. Robert, homosexuality makes you obviously uncomfortable, and Christianity gives you an excuse to air your bigotry shrouded in the blanket of religious righteousness. From where I sit, and believe me I am very informed about this topic, that thinking reflected the best thinking of its time. It's just plain wrong by any modern standard.
The argument you are making is not an argument against 'Christianity hating gays', it is an argument against Christianity itself.
And it is a valid one. But if you ARE Christian, then you have to accept that God is opposed to homosexuality. This is clearly stated in the Bible. And you either accept the Bible as valid, or, you dismiss it as invalid. You don't get to just keep the parts that you like and pretend the rest isn't there.
Nick didnt you read my post? If we're supposed to follow everything the bible says they why cant fathers sell their daughter as sanctioned in Exodus 21-7? Doctors work on the Sabbath. Can we kill them as mandated in Exodus 35-2? Leviticus 11-7 says touching dead pig skin makes one morally unclean. Does that mean the 49ers should go to hell? Come on Nick. That whole "We can't pick and choose what to follow" is a weak argument. Until you, myself, and every other christian starts living life as the bible says to – tooth and nail, then this whole homophobic argument when you peal away the layers of Christian self-righteousness you find pure bigotry.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Chuck wagon,
How about quoting the Bible where God says that r@pe victims are forced to marry their rapists? Why not skip the hypocrisy?
Observer feel free to post the verse in reference.
- Deuteronomy 22:28 “If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and r@pes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels (about 1¼ pounds) of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.”
I am so tired of this protest. Supporting the Biblical definition of marriage does not mean that you believe that homosexuals are not welcome in a Chic-fil-a. Chic-fil-a is a Christian company. Chic-fil-a is as entitled to an opinion and belief as you and me. Chic-fil-a has never said "gays are not welcome" or "gays use this bathroom and drink from this water fountain". They simply said that they believe in the Biblical definition of marriage – one man, one woman, for life – period. If you do not want to give your money to them, then go somewhere else. This is not discrimination, this is their right as a privately held, Christian company.
I'm not gay, can I please shop at Banana Republic now? How stupid. Don't like their political or ethical standing...don't shop there.
say ur prayes,eat mor chikn,don't suk dik
Obey, obey, obey! Stay in your place and don't you step out of line!
I disagree with the statement that the people who went to support Chick-Fil-A were homophobes. I would have gone myself if I had the time and a location nearest me. I would have gone to defy the folks that feel they have a right to block the business of a place based on the founders belief. He's allowed his views, just like you. Don't like? Don't go. A lot of people showed up to counter the protest against them. I found the protest against them to be a form a bullying to get what you want.
Ahhh, the lies of the post Judeo-Christian crowd. Nobody said that G-d hates the writer. But most people with a moral compass that comes from the Bible believe that heterosexual behavior is moral and homosexual behavior is not. That doesn't mean that each individual is not loved by G-d. But it does mean that choosing to engage in homosexual behavior (actually only man-on-man is called an abomination) is wrong. Society benefits over the long run when the traditional family is promoted. Equalizing homosexuality and heterosexuality is an attack on the traditional family which has long term negative consequences for society. Social policy cannot be made based on feelings or based on individual cases.
Social policy should be based on civil liberties such as equality and justice and not on antiquated institutions which need to change as society changes.
And that's why people are rejecting a "moral compass" that comes from the Bible. That compass seems to be broken!
"Hate the sin, love the sinner"
Such BS.
To the author Virginia Willis, thanks for perpetuating a ridiculous and nonsensical story. Anyone who knows anything about Chic-fil-a knew that when asked about gay marriage knew what the response would be. Their viewpoint should not have been news. Your beef should be with our government who outright denies same sex marriage. The Cathy's do not set forth government policy. They've just become a target for your angst. It's unpopular these days to share one's opinion if that opinion is not the popular one of the moment or decade. I for one fully support LGBT rights but again I don't make policy. Gay people are hurting their own cause by not tolerating the opinions of others. We are supposed to have a secular government so why do we have marriage defined as between a man and a woman. If it comes to a vote I will suport the LGBT community but you all need to stop perpetuating the hate that you yourselves have had to deal with so often.
You are missing the point. The author clearly stated that she always understood that a conservative Christian mindset helped to drive this company. The issue has never been about what Dan Cathey's beliefs are as much as it's been about their corporate donations to groups that actively fight against gay marriage and finance programs aimed at rehabilitating homosexuals to heterosexuals. There's a big difference between a CEO's controversial beliefs, and a company taking the public's money and putting that money toward causes they seek to harm some of those very people. It makes logical sense to not give Chik-fil-A money in that case.
The Cathys set up a "charity" to fund fundamentalist Christian agitators who have SUCCESSFULLY instigated genocide against gay people overseas. They have effectively exported religious terrorism. I don't see how this is a "speech" issue, nor do I see how this is irrelevant.
If you hand the Cathys a dollar, they will turn around and use that dollar to pay for a plane ticket. That plane ticket will be given to a fundamentalist religious bigot so that they can go to Uganda and tell the government there to kill people.
Therefore, if you DO NOT CARE what Chik-Fil-A does with the money you give them, you might be a terrible person. You might have a moral blind spot, or simply be in favor of ALL THE MURDER.
What is it about that chain of logic is DIFFICULT for all of you to understand?
Let us send all our gays to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia for a nice vacation. That will solve our gay problem.
John: The straights will stil give birth to them.
Wow John32. Do you think you have enough hate in you?
How about we send all our bigots to Iran so they can be around like-minded people, and it would increase the collective IQ of our nation.
Please, please lets put them together and ship'm out anywhere. Lets start donations for the freight...
The writer of this article should be the first to recognize that a drop in revenue is likely the impetus behind the reported change of heart of the owners. Rarely, if ever do religious haters change their minds. especially one such as these that are so obviously anti gay. Not only should she continue to boycott them, she should influence as many others as possible to do the same.
I visited one of their stores about five times and each time was about the same. The chicken was not good and the sandwich had one pickle slice. I will not go back.
Can Gays eat at Chic Fila?
Yes, they can.
Management, however, requests they only come in during Deer season,
and that they wear a brown jacket, and a hat with antlers...
Managers of Gay Bars welcome evangelicals and request they dress like Mr and Mrs Buttface from Southpark
Yes will love the hunting although the meat will not be good for anything ...
It is interesting to note the correlations between education, income and religion. The poorest, least educated states tend to be the most religious. In stark contrast, the wealthiest and most educated states tend to be the least sanctimonious. Although this is common knowledge for most, here are some links:
(Article citing statistics from U.S. Census Bureau ) http://money.cnn.com/2010/09/16/news/economy/Americas_wealthiest_states/index.htm
http://www.pewforum.org/how-religious-is-your-state-.aspx
http://www.good.is/posts/educational-performance-where-does-your-state-rank/
Heh. We're not saying that religion destroys brain cells and earning power, per se. It's just that everywhere religion is strong, education and economy are weak.. You guys do the math...
What math? You don't use math on sweeping generalizations. Believe what you want, but don't pretend it's based on fact. Bias and fact never go together!
Misuse of statistics is a common technique used by bigots to justify their prejudice.
unfortunately, the "Wealthiest state" rankings from CNN are severely flawed. They failed to normalize to the CLI (cost of living index) Essentially they are only true if you believe a 1600 sq. ft. home in rural Arkansas costs the same as a 1600 sq. ft home in Hollywood. But nice try.
Also, the CNN education rankings are not based on anything real. They are based on "degrees per capita" They too are flawed since a degree in "general Studies" has the same weight as a degree in nuclear physics.
Misuse of statistics? Wrong. Yes, you are right about your COL statement, but, in general, the concentration of wealth in New England is statistically significant. Also, explain why educated states tend to be the least religious and least predjudice. Come on, don't cry out misuse of information...it's common knowledge. Good colleges? New England. Money? New England. Equality? New England. The South is the polar opposite, with the highest poverty, descrimination and illiteracy rates in the country. I've lived in many states all across the country and I have seen this first hand, but you don't have to be a well-traveled individual to know this.
I didn't know why Chick-fil-a never appealed to me. always thought the chicken was lousy. now i know why. it's seasoned with bigotry. if you want good chicken, go to Bojangles!
The fact is, God doesn't like the sexual imorol. So when someone say's, I am gay and I am a Christian, well they lie, they are like the Devil, keeping the truth from everyone. You can't worship/practice Gay and God at the same time. Those whom be Gay pastor's are the one's God speaks in the last day "They'll be false preachers and false law maker's. In other words, Jesus or God didn't say anywhere in the Bible, yeh, "It's ok to be Gay and tell everyone in the Church that being Gay is Good. God hates anyone having sex with the same sex. Jesus died once and for all, not everyday, for a gay person to lead a church and claim to be a Christian.
Wow, Willy, you make a strong argument. For a frontal lobotomy
William, I don't know about your God, but my God doesn't hate anyone, and he is also a forgiving God.
That is funny, MY BIBLE says that no one sin is greater than the other. It also says to judge NOT.
William , You have a classic "God Complex"! You seem to think that YOU alone know EXACTLY what "God" wants and who "God" Hates! The one thing that I clearly remember from my biblical reading is that "God" REALLY hates bigots!
How does it feel to be on the WRONG side of history?...
Keep the perverts away from the place.
Ok Ug, we will do our best to keep YOU away from there. Idiot.
To answer the question...Yes...or No...it doesn't matter...see America is a free country. You can eat there or not. If you don't like their policies then don't eat there. IF you like their food, then eat there. See in America, you don't have to get the approval of the gay community...even if you are gay....SHOCKING HUH.
It IS pretty funny that the term "religious nut" is used as an insult by dudes who will lick a man's nut off the bathroom floor.
Yeah if you think like that then of course people are going to call you a nut. I'm not gay you dumb extremist.
just a simple observation. doesn't make me an extremist. but you have to admit that these fa. gs are getting freakier than the greeks when sparta was tapping cheeks.
Just a simple observation. The only f*g I see on here is you. Time for ya to get a clue. Let people live their life and not yours.
You are a blasphemer!
"It was simply a thinly veiled protest against homosexuals, period."
Wrong. It was a response to the protests from gays.
The problem here is that people are just way too emotional about food. Tell someone you're vegan or something and see the instant negative reaction you get from about half of people who demand to know why you don't eat like they do.
If a restaurant chain is using its influence to promote a hateful agenda, who cares how much you enjoy the food? Who cares what kind of emotional attachment you think you have to the taste? I wouldn't eat at a Nazi ice cream parlor, no matter how good the chocolate ice cream is. This whole debate is just ridiculous. NEVER eat there again. Period.
And it is just as ridiculous to avoid a place that you like because you disagree with how they choose to spend the money you give them....
I agree with JeremyH6. I also admire Dan Cathy for sticking to his beliefs and not cowering in the face of adversity like too many people are doing these days.
No, it's not. The whole point of capitalism is that a free transaction benefits both sides. It's not ridiculous to question whether you want to do something that benefits bigots.
It is interesting to note the correlations between education, income and religion. The poorest, least educated states tend to be the most religious. In stark contrast, the wealthiest and most educated states tend to be the least sanctimonious. Although this is common knowledge for most, here are some links:
(Article citing statistics from U.S. Census Bureau ) http://money.cnn.com/2010/09/16/news/economy/Americas_wealthiest_states/index.htm
http://www.pewforum.org/how-religious-is-your-state-.aspx
http://www.good.is/posts/educational-performance-where-does-your-state-rank/
Hey, anti-gays, when are you going to start protesting in New York City, Chicago, Los Angeles...
Isn't it amazing that Chick-fil-A is once again being vilified for their founding beliefs? What has Chick-fil-A done to deserve this? Nothing. But, the gay activists have no issue to push at the moment. So, they trot out an issue that was supposed to have been settled months ago. I, for one, would like the activists to avoid patronizing Chick-fil-A and every other business that I patronize. I get tired of people being wrong simply because they disagree with your prejudices. And, make no mistake, it is not Chick-fil-A that shows their bigotry every time this story resurfaces. But, they are the ones getting their name dragged through the mud.
Dan Cathy gave millions in corporate funds to anti-gay groups which in turn misused those funds to cook up and throw anti-gay Hate Votes. Dan Cathy poisoned our political process. Is that OK with you, as long as you get to hurt LGBT Americans?
And just how many times are anti-gays going to whine that their intended victims are "the real bullies"?
What has Chick Fil A done to deserve criticism? They have founded a business, a commercial enterprise, based on religious values, and they expect all their employees and customers to adhere to it. Otherwise, ship out, buddy. We deserve the right to refuse service to anyone. And denigrate them in the process.
Anyone who has followed this controversy knows that the issue is what they do with the money - fund groups which fight the cause of gay marriage. That doesn't just impact their institution and the people working in it, it tries to legislate against a third party that didn't opt-in to their rules. No one cares about his beliefs.
Jay, you're distorting the facts. Few people are perturbed about ChickFilA's founder's beliefs - and those that are really are bigots. People are upset that they use their influence to demean other people and help maintain their second-class-citizen status.
Hey Gay People,
When are you going to start protesting in Saudi Arabia?
Do you really think reminding readers that anti-gays want the same thing to happen to LGBT Americans that Muslim extremists want will sell homophobia to the majority of Americans who already support marriage equality? I don't. Thanks for reminding readers how shameful and immoral anti-gays are.
Hey Christian extremists. When are you going to understand Separation of Church and State.
I beg to differ with the writer of this article. the exact reason I waited in line and bought Chick-fil-A on the protest day was because had NOTHING to do with being anti-gay and EVERYTHING to do with that company's right to exist whether they thing being gay is a choice or not. I have gay friends, know and respect 2 transgendered people who have made the decision to go through with sex change, but I don't think your hatered is any better than anyone else's and I have NEVER heard any employee or leader be rude when expressing their beliefs. I HACE heard many gays freak out on anyone who disagrees with them. Christians who feel compelled to judge are often called to task by other Christians and reminded not to judge. I'm waiting for gays to do the same. Hooray for Jim Nabors for both his conduct and his attitude. Anyone who didn't now he os gay has been living under a very huge rock, but he just lives his life and treats everyone with respect, just as we ALL should do. Just as those who work for and run, Chick-fil=A do.
Marky,
How exactly, is Chik Fil a showing ANY respect whatsoever for gays??? I really don't comprehend your post!!!
They have the right run their business as bigoted as they want. But I will never give them a single dime even though I am NOT gay! Their public statements denigrading Gays is quite dispicable!
Hey, Left wing Loon. When are you going to realize that Chik-fil-A is not a government agency?
Hey crazy right wing nut when are you going to understand freedom of assembly?
Just goes to show you can write an article about anything and get published. Is his book next ?
just goes to show, you can post a snarky reply, even if you didn't read / understand the article. Men, even Gay ones, are not Lesbians. I don't know if she will write a book, I do know you wouldn't be able to read it if she did.
As nasty as Dan Cathy's anti-gay opinions are, this isn't about his opinions. Dan Cathy donated millions in corporate funds to anti-gay groups which, with his knowledge, misused those funds to cook up and then throw anti-gay Hate Votes. Fortunately, if we're all lucky, the US Supreme Court will revoke all those Hate Votes this summer, since they all clearly violate the US Constitution.
Get real, that guy has been playing very poorly. This is just one more time someone WHINES that "Christians are being attacked" that we can all see is a lie.
The NFL will have this situation on its hands if it blacklists Tim Tebow out of the league for being our first, genuine, outspoken Christian role model Qb in decades. No Tebow = way less Christian $$$$$$$$$$.
@ crappygovernment: Your statement is absurd. If Tim Tebow was a great quarterback, no one in the NFL would care if he was Christian, Muslim, Jewish or purple with red polka dots. While he seems to be a very nice young man, he is not a good quarterback.
Jay Fiedler and Sage Rosenfels would never have been treated this way, comrade jennifer R! Acts 14:1-2 mentions Tebowphobia 2000 years ago!
What does Tebow have anything to do with this? You don't have to eat there! You need to read the Bible! It might scare the hell out of you!
I really wish all this gay hoopla would cease. Gay or straight, we ALL have A LOT more to fear right now with what's taking place in our country, our govt. and our world.
The shadow domination of the bilderberg has and is usurping more and more influence and if everyone doesn't wake up REAL soon and unite, we're all cooked, again, gay or straight. It does'nt matter.
Then you need to direct that to the anti-gays who are making all the trouble. Just when did LGBT Americans cook up a Hate Vote to deprive anti-gays of the right to legal marriage? Anti-gays have been the trouble-makers on this matter since Anita Bryant. We know a majority of Americans support marriage equality. It's time for anti-gays to STOP trying to SUBVERT the US Constitution and start acting like Americans.
A cream pie is a cream pie...whether youre gay or straight. Enjoy!
Cant we all just love each other and stop the hate. I think thats what Jesus would do!
Why do 'gays' insist on telling everyone what they do with their genitals? Usually, it's for 'shock' value, but it has no bearing on anything, unless you're in a bar on Saturday night, and need to clarify what sort of mate you're hunting for. Homosexuals who tell people that they are gay is the exact same as heterosexuals telling people what they prefer – I'm kind of into breasts, but that's not my idnetity, and I've never intorduced myself that way – especailly to a potential mate!
Please stop being so self-involved – if you didn't get the 'right' sort of attention in your adolescence, take it up with your parents, and stop trying to shock the rest of us – it's juvenile.
You've introduced and defined yourself here as being breast-obsessed. Why did you feel the need to share that with us? I've had gay friends all my life, and the only time they've ever talked about what they did with their genitals is when a prying, overly-curious straight person brings it up.
Standing behind religion in order to justify bigotry is abhorrent. Being gay is biological. Any intolerance of ANY kind is bigotry,BIGOTRY! And the people who feel this way must be called out for what they are!
Being gay is nothing more than sin, not biologic! The wages of sin is death according to a loving God who wants all sinners including you and I to repent of our sins and accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. Jim, I pray you will receive this free gift today and turn from your sinful ways.
No use repeating that anti-gay lie, nc. Sexual orientation, whether gay or non-gay, has been shown by science to be inborn and unchangeable, and psychologists have shown being gay or lesbian is just as healthy and "normal" as being non-gay. However, psychologists identified homophobia as a mental illness and published their results in the Journal of the National Institutes of Health in 1953. Psychologists report that the most commonly observed symptom of the mental disorder homophobia is an inability of those so afflicted to accept documentation that contradicts their deep-seated phobia and hatred of LGBT Americans.
So everyone that has accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior is no longer a sinner? Thats it? But if a gay woman accepts Jesus Christ as her Lord and Savior, it does not count because she is gay?
Yet if you covet thy neighbor, or commit adultery (even in your mind), or do not love another, or you are obese from over eating, or have a tattoo on your body, or have sex before marriage, among MANY other sins discussed in the Bible, you are excused and welcomed with open arms into Gods loving grace?
Of course ! !
It is only the homosexuals that God does not love. All other sin is excused.
You Mr. ncguy1, are a sinner. Are you not??
WRONG!
Another nut-job who couches his hate in the sweet embrace of his mythological belief. And I'm not gay, so before you say it, I have no agenda other than to expose the hypocrisy of you ignorant, hateful, so-called believers.
Wrong... delusional... sad, but fortunately on the decline as America embraces diversity. Late, but coming to the table non-the-less.
do you have any peer reviewed material to say it is not biological?
Dear ncguy1,
After lengthy discussions I have come to the conclusion that most reasons for hate have roots in fear. The reason many hate gays and lesbians is because they are afraid of them. Many men who hate gays have the same reaction many women have towards rapists to two guys holding hands. Why those men don't see this as less competition is beyond me. In addition to that, most women who hate gays are angry that the available male population has fallen. Thus I think that you wrote this more out of fear than out of love for your fellow human beings. I'm still a young female junior in high school. A junior who has realized that in a year I may have to brake off my relationship with my boyfriend so I can go to collage to better not only my life, but also the life of any potential family I have. Govtreform does have a point; in the seven possible degrees of Hell there is a possible place for you.
-Air.kit
I happen to know for a fact that both Liberace and Rock Hudson loved the place. Loved it.
Oh, and Tony Randall, too.
I do not care if you're gay. I do not care if the restaurant hires you or caters to you, or what their owners believe and state, or if there are other problems with the restaurant besides their health department scores. You do not care about my beliefs, my opinions, where I eat and probably who I hire or fire. It's called Freedom. Stay off my cloud and I'll stay off yours. MY family did not come to this country to care about stupid things like who you marry or sleep with, and what the store or restaurant down the street or across the nation thinks about it. The restaurant is as or more tolerate than those being non-tolerant of what the restaurant thinks, not even really what it does. I tolerate you, you tolerate me, just remember I have not spoken up as of yet as to what you will tolerate coming from me, yet rest assured, you too, may not like having to put up with it, but alas, that is freedom, long as I do not tread on you. So if you're not wanted, tread there not.... Chappo
Anti-gays routinely claim these days that their intended victims are "the real bullies." That's just one more anti-gay lie.
It never ceases to amaze me how many people can refer to /legislating against a gay's ability to marry/ as "personal liberty" in the same sense as holding a religious belief or a sexual orientation. No one cares what you believe. No one cares who you like or dislike. No one is trying to make you contradict your faith. But when you fund groups that try to pass laws which make other people, who have absolutely nothing to do with you, not be able to do something they would like the freedom to do, it's not about tolerance.
Get over it. Your protest generated more revenue for the chain than any ads could ever hope to do. My local restaurant required an extra turn lane to be installed by the DOT. Most were (and still are) supporting the Right to Free Speech rather than an anti-gay reaction. But it did show anti-gay Americans that they can have a voice when challenged and not have liberalism shoved down our throats.
Maybe more income that day, but Dan Cathy himself has proven his chain has fallen on hard times since then by pretending to stop donating corporate funds to anti-gay groups and pretending to negotiate with Chicago officials.
Agree. Their marketing department wouldn't be twisting themselves into knots trying to undo the damage if there were no damage to undo.
You might all be interested to know that their corporate headquarters hires no one who is not Christian. Apparently they think they are above many, many laws. I am neither gay or Jewish but I will never eat there again.
@ Jan: I, too, have heard rumors about the Chick-fil-A hiring practices. This company is not simply anti-gay. They are against all non- Christians. I will never eat there again.
The New York Times confirmed that, Jan. They also require franchise owners to be "Christians."
Which would have excluded Jesus, His parents and His Disciples.
Big deal. You should start your own business and only hire gay people....freedom is funny like that.
As someone who is gay, an eagle scout and from Fayettevile GA, I too grew up on chick-fli-a. I've met both Truet and Dan Cathy on several occasions, years ago.
I'm glad to hear that "Chick-fil-A no longer gives funds to “the most divisive anti-LGBT groups.” but.... they are still giving to other organizations that at this moment are not as powerful or organized as some of the previous ones.
The Cathys are a very ultra conservative family from the south. I can promise you this. The day that Dan Cathy made his statement about the LGBT community. I wished the reporter had asked Dan's thoughts on international marriage & abortion.
From what I know, there would not have ever been a National Chick-fil-A appreciation day!
Ignorance is bliss and hate taste delicious, Just ask Chick-fil-A.
Everyday is National Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day judging by the lines and new turn lane at my local restaurant. If you minded your own business and not attempted to stifle FREE SPEECH you might accomplish something rather than making you opponents richer
Sorry, Bud, but despite these wild claims from the few remaining anti-gays, Dan Cathy has proven his chain is in trouble. Nowadays, anti-gays are the only ones going there, and there aren't enough anti-gays left in the US to keep his business going. If Dan Cathy was as smart as he thinks he is, he would have stopped that "Appreciation Day" that established going to his chain as an anti-gay political act.
I was very appreciative they caused you to take notice carrotboy.
Telling the truth about Cathy's homophobia, and his contributions to legislation in several African countries that would criminalize homosexuality and make it a capital offense punishable by the death penalty doesn't stifle anyone's free speech. Although it may drag some very unpleasant truths out into the sunlight that Cathy would rather keep hidden in his dark, hate-filled, bigoted closet.
I think both sides have to come together and be rational. On one hand I do agree gays should be equal under the law and on the other hand it is a sin in the bible. A good compromise will be a draft a federal statute that will give equal recognition to gay unions but not call it "marriage". In the long run, homosexuality is a detriment to humanity.
The ancient Hebrews were a small tribe surrounded by hostile neighbors. Growing the population was essential to their survival. Leviticus is full of rules designed to encourage increased childbirth, only one relates to homosexuality. Heterosexuals do not observe the rest of them either. Best estimates are about 3 to 4% of the human population is homosexual. There are seven billion people in the world. The human race is not going to expire by letting gay people live their lives.
These denominations will marry same gender couples in 9 US States and the District of Columbia, and have married them in California:
The Association of Welcoming and Affirming Baptists
The Episcopal Church
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Metropolitan Community Church
Conservative Judaism
Reform Judaism
Religious Society of Friends (Quakers)
Unitarian Universalist Church
United Church of Christ
Sorry, but there's no reason for the few remaining anti-gays to be allowed to deprive these churches of their Freedom Of Religion OR be allowed to tell the MAJORITY of Americans who support marriage equality how to live.
I say praise the Lord the writer of this article knows Jesus as her Savior. Living in a lifestyle that God expressly prohibits pretty much detracts from anything else she says.
As Christ told the women at the well that was caught in adultery, "Go and sin no more." Saying this as an admonishing, not to denigrate her.
why do you feel that the bible represents the mind of god?
because it says it does?
God's version of love and marriage:
Not for gays, but:
If a virgin is r@ped, she must MARRY with the lowlife rapist and can NEVER divorce.
So are you saying that you have not sinned since you became a Christian? Or are you saying the sin of homosexuality is greater than the sin of let's say the sin of lust? The fact is that ALL people are sinners. We can't pick and choose which scriptures we choose to enforce based on our agenda can we? There are many "Old Testament" laws that Christians choose to ignore, why so hateful towards homosexuality? Was Christ's sacrifice not enough to cover any sin? Try loving your fellow men, women and neighbors the same way you love yourself regardless of their lifestyle. Their are some truly wonderful gay and lesbian people out there that I would love to count as friends.
Elliott
Married, Hetro, Father, Catholic
Sin....you are a hypocrite. Your god is not the loving god that Jesus wants his believers to believe in. But that is besides the point. Leave your religion out of our government as well as so-called public instutions and venues such as businesses. Freedom of religion does not mean freedom to impose. Many homosexuals live their lives in the closet...maybe you should go into a closet so the rest of this society does not have to smell the stench of your sick interpretation of the bible.
If gay people made a chicken sandwich that tasted as good as Chick-Fil-A, I'd be all for it. Until then.... I love my Chick-Fil-A!
Jamie Oliver and Guy Fieri aside, most gays can't cook for sh!t.
Not that it matters, but neither of those individuals are homosexual. They are both married to members of the opposite sex. And also, since when does one's sexual orientation affect their ability to cook? That is just ridiculous!
Please........I know a couple of sausage-smokers when I see 'em. Ever see these guys lick their fingers? They go way past the knuckle – talk about your oral fixation!
Actually, we can all now see it's really "American Pride" who has told readers he's fixated on "gay sex."
American Pride – why are you so closely watching men licking their fingers?
I was raised in the city where Chick-fil-A was born, Hapeville, Ga. I was raised on Chick-Fil-A.
However, no member of my family has eaten a chick-Fil-A product in over 15 years. There are other areas, where this Christian company does not act in a Christian manner....to the point of believing as a private company they have no need to follow laws unless they agree with them. That statement was made by Truett Cath himself in a private conversation. I applaud the good work his foundation has done for many, many years....but that doesn't mean they can just say, "This is the way we want it, this is the way we will operate."
Oh, yes they can. They can run their company anyway they want to. As long as they don't break laws. Get over it, they are solid folks...
Why is it that the LGBT community feels they have to shove everything about their lifestyle in our faces? I believe that each person does have the right to live their life as they wish. Live and let live. But, why is it that they can raise a ruckus when they feel that someone or an organization does not have the same views and opinions as they do? Are these people and organizations not entitled to the same rights of freedom of expression as the LGBT community? The hypocrisy of these LGBT people does nothing to help their cause. And, frankly, they are just as guilty of the same perceived discrimination as they complain about.
You are gay or whatever. Fine. Do I have to have a heterosexual pride march because I am heterosexual? No. So, why doe the gays feel like they needs to rub everyone's nose in their sexual orientation rather than just going about their lives like the rest of us?
i suppose when heterosexuals stop trying to deny gays their civil rights, you may have a point. i am heterosexual, but not proudly so. i am heterosexual because that is the way i was born. i am brown haired (well, other than some invading gray hairs) because it is the way i was born
You don't have to have marches dimbulb...you already have your rights. duh
Well stated Scott!
Just when did LGBT Americans cook up Hate Votes to deprive anti-gays of their right to legal marriage?
Scott, I have said the same thing you are saying for years. Yes, why do they have to have a parade? We would have lawsuits and people screaming discrimination if we had our own straight pride parades. Why don't we have our own bumper stickers for our cars, with our own colors, to announce to the world that we are straight? Does it really matter to us if we pass another driver and we see your rainbow colored gay emblem on your car? Why do they think we even care if they are gay?!!? And, it's not only the Christian faiths that say it's wrong. Other religions around the world feel the same way. Matter of fact, a lot of agnostics and atheists feel it's also wrong. Why is it that only Christians get all the blame? Sick and tired of the discrimination and hate that the LGBT community throws at anyone who is not like them. It's got to stop on all sides.... Not all Christians hate gays! Give it a rest LGBT! Stop lumping all Christians into the same hate-filled category. Some of you gays (not all) are so filled with hate like the people you rant about. Just stop talking about being gay! Majority of people just don't care!!! Also, stop putting stress on your own kind to come out because it will help other gays! Why do you blame other gays for not coming out, too? Gay celebrities are not responsible for things that happen to you because you are gay. You feel good about yourself because Ellen came out of the closet? That's pathetic if you do. What's all this "awareness" talk for? Like we aren't "aware" already?!!? And, again, we don't care! Most of us ARE accepting of your lifestyle. It's fine to not approve of the gay lifestyle if that is our personal opinion. Ironic how the LGBT preaches tolerance, but they don't tolerate anyone who disapproves of them. There's no way we will all agree on everything. That doesn't make the other person on the other side of the fence a bad person. Being gay or straight should not be what you are all about. If that's your "agenda" in life you are a very sad little person. How about it if we just all strive to be just kind decent human beings to one another? Don't tell me I'm a bad person because I believe that relationships should be between a man and a woman. It's my opinion and it does not matter to you and your life. My opinion is not filled with hate. It's just the way that I feel. Just like yours doesn't matter to me. Who cares?!!!?
Thank you Tom. Sums it up perfectly.
You already enjoy your civil rights under the law. The LGBT community doesn't. Until that happens, expect those of us who believe in marriage equality to state our opinions, long and loud, at every opportunity.
I want the deviants to continue their boycott of Chick-Fill-A because it is a family friendly place. I can take my family there now knowing that the gays are not around me. H0 m 0 s exuality is a sin agaisnt God. I go there every Sunday after church with my family and I have even met the CEO of Chick-fill-A. He is a good god fearing man. I wish God would send another major gay disease like A I DS to the gays because they did not listen the first time around.
They're closed on Sunday, so I'm pretty sure you are lying.
Thom, they're not open on Sunday. Bearing a bit of false witness, are we?
Your sunday trips are as delusional as you appear to be. I am not gay, Christian, black, hispanic or any other minority. I am white male. However, that does not define me, just like it does not define others that are different from me. We are all born different, and we are all born without prejudice. Unfortunately, you have learned to become prejudiced. Instead of hating people because they are different from you, try accepting them for who they are. Perhaps you are the one that is different, so maybe you should be shunned. Think about it, if you can.
to be fair, thom37 said he went there on sunday, he did not say he got in
When anti-gays tell readers here they hope all LGBT Americans would get a disease, suffer and die, and they took pleasure at the suffering AIDS caused, they show normal, non-homophobic Americans just WHO is "perverse."
Shame on you for lying, Thom37!
For crying out loud... I am so tired of this... CNN, you're a joke for continuing to make this garbage newsworthy... NEXT!!! We are free to make our decision and go or not go wherever we want... people who are, or relate to gays please stop whining about people who aren't... Good grief... Christians don't hate gays or anything else... we truly believe we are as sinful and in need of forgiveness as ANYONE else... NEXT subject!
Thank you and well said!
you don't hate them, but you want to deny them equal rights?
Poor Dave. After damning CNN for this article, you read it... poured thru the 2800+ responses to it... and then railed at the postings... wasting how much of your life? may be time to get one. For the rest of us, CNN is just about the only 24hr news organization seriously attempting to offer credible news... some where between MSNBC on the left and Fox out there on the rt... which it would appear, you should be waisting most of your time :-)
What a sell out! And over a chicken sandwich, no less. Glad to see she has all the resolve and back bone of an inch worm.
I'll never set foot in a Chick-fil-a. I never felt so hated and unwelcome the day the people in my community tripped over themselves for a socially acceptable chance to line up in mass and let me know they hate me.
Never! And certainly not for something a trivial as a sandwich.
As I stated in my response to this story, I do not understand how the gays like you can be so hypocritical of your own espousings. Chikfila is entitiled to their opinions just as much as you are entitiled to your own. While I agree with you that tha uthor has no backbone for caving in for a chicken sandwich, it just further demonstrates the hypocrisy of the LGBT community–and that I find hilarious.
No, this isn't about Dan Cathy's nasty opinions and his attack on the majority of Americans who support marriage equality, it's about him donating MILLIONS in corporate funds to anti-gay groups which in turn, with his approval, committed criminal acts in violation of campaign finance and disclosure laws to throw anti-gay Hate Votes.
Degrading people you do not know part of your preverted lifestyle?
Did Aaron not degrade her by inferring that she "has the back bone of a worm"? You flamers are such hypocrites. Elitist snobs constantly shrieking for attention like a 15 year old schoolgirl.
American Pride,
Do heteros engage in any perversions? Are you just being a world-class hypocrite for picking on gays?
"Hetero perversions"? Of course. Just ask the catholic church, or any member of the Republican party who's been caught with his pants down with another male. And I don't 'pick on' gays. I pick on deviants – adulterers, sodomites, blasphemers, Presbyterians.
american pride: aaron implied it, not inferred it
Wow. Judge much? Ncguy, if there is a hell, im certain there is a VERY special place reserved for you in it.
We didn't line up to let you know we hate you. We lined up to let you know that trying to strong arm a business because the CEO expressed an opinion that you don't like is NOT acceptable. I happen to be in favor of equal marriage rights. I'm also an atheist, so I don't share his religious beliefs either. had Chik-fil-a said they won't hire gays or that gays can't eat there, I'd have supported your stance, and probably wouldn't have eaten there. He didn't. He just said he didn't approve of gay marriage. He had every right to say that, no matter how wrong minded it is. If you don't want to eat there because of his opinion, DON'T. But the protests and the planned "kiss-in" where little more than bullying. I showed up to be part of the public reaction against that sort of arrogant bully tactic, not against you.
The author believes the world revolves around her and I could care less where she eats.
She is quite the snob isn't she.
I want the deviants to continue their boycott of Chick-Fill-A because it is a family friendly place. I can take my family there now knowing that the gays are not around me. H0m0sexuality is a sin agaisnt God. I go there every Sunday after church with my family and I have even met the CEO of Chick-fill-A. He is a good god fearing man. I wish God would send another major gay disease like AIDS to the gays because they did not listen the first time around.
I'm deeply hoping that you're just a troll, and very bad at it. But since I have my doubts and just think that you're an angry old bigot who never went to university, never broadened your horizons, and probably live in a town of six-hundred people, here goes, since I will not abide by someone wishing AIDS on another person and hiding behind the age old adage of "but it's okay because I'm a Christian":
How very Christlike of you to say such things.
"Love thy neighbour, unless they don't feel the same feelings for other people that you do, in which case, wish for God to smite them with a fatal illness." – Jesus Christ
Because that was totally his word. "Smite the sinner; he deserves it." Yeah, Jesus was JUST that big of a jerk to others. Forget the whole hanging out with lepers thing, that was all a public relations thing.
Or not.
My word, I absolutely cannot wait for your generation to die out so we can finally move forward. I also hope one of your children ends up gay just so you can have your own moral crisis. It might wake you up a bit to how the world works outside of the Happyland, America cityscape you seem to have so painted for yourself, because if you'd taken any time to step foot into the real world, you'd learn so much about other people, like, say, LGBT people, or, even better, religious people who are tolerant.
Then again, people like you often don't change. Take solace in the fact that after you're dead, there will probably be a gay president of this country because we won't have idiots like you voting against him.
Oh, he's a troll, all right. See how he uses a slightly different screen name every time? Setting up multiple sock puppets is a common trick trolls play. Anti-gays routinely troll this subject, trying to make it look like there are a lot of anti-gays, when we all know anti-gays are a tiny minority.
Those that supported Chik-Fil -A were not against gays or homo marriage for the most part, they were FOR the right to express your beliefs, regardless of what they are. The owner was not demonizing anything, he was simply standing his ground with regard to HIS beliefs. As far a "hate groups" go, I see more hate spewed by the LGBT-liberal-whatever community toward anyone who dares to disagree with THEIR agenda and beliefs. And it is THEM who are trying to force their lifestyle and beliefs on everyone else, not vice versa. Liberals have such a victim mentality – get over it.
Expressing a right to free speech and spending company funds to support the suppression of YOUR/OUR brothers and sisters in humanity are two completely different things.
"I see more hate spewed by the LGBT-liberal-whatever community"
How many times are the few remaining anti-gays gonna WHINE that their intended VICTIMS are "the real haters"? When did LGBT Americans ever cook up a Hate Vote to deprive anti-gays of their right to legal marriage?
I just wonder how many protestors drove to hold signs in front of Chick Fil A. Where did that oil in your car come from? In Arab countries, the penalty for homosexuality is DEATH. Yet we still drive our cars.... while we indignantly pass Chick Fil A by. It's funny how everyone is willing to take a stand, as long as it doesn't REALLY affect your life. Stop using foreign oil. THAT is a true conviction against the unjust treatment of gays.
About 13% of our oil comes from Middle Eastern countries. This issue isn't about what happens there.
These are adult, tax-paying Americans who are denied equal rights under American law. It's wrong.
When a business turns itself into a platform for dysfunctional hyperreligious hate-mongers, it's time to stop doing business with them. If you want a chicken sandwich much better than Chic's, try the spicy chicken sandwich at Checkers. And you don't have to hate anybody.
Just because someone doesn't agree with the gay lifestyle DOES NOT make them a hate-mongerer! Not all straight people hate gays. We can prefer one lifestyle over the other and not have any hateful feelings about it. It's just our own opinion! Disagreement does not equal hate!
The government should get out of the marriage business. The reason the govt got in it was mainly for STD control and to force fathers to support their children. We now have STD treatments and DNA screening to determine parentage. Any two or more humans should have the opportunity to marry, then go to a lawyer and make a contract enforceable in the courts. Then you are married. God does not say "this couple must follow the US laws or they are not married." Keeping up with marriages and divorces cost local governments a fortune and it is one more trap for lawyers to snag clients.
Once again, the radical homosexual agenda rears its ugly head.
"The truth is that Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day was not about freedom of speech. It was simply a thinly veiled protest against homosexuals, period. Those swarms of conservatives weren’t lining up around the block getting waffle fries and chicken sandwiches to protest such lofty ideals as upholding the constitution and protecting the First Amendment. I believe they were showing that they are united against same-sex marriage and against gays, in general."
THIS IS A LIE. Just because people, Christian or not, disagree with the homosexual lifestyle, does not mean hatred. that is a lie straight from the pit of hell. Many Christians purchase products from Disney, Apple, Levi Strauss – all of these companies are very pro homosexual – and do so without a word of complaint or hatred. I ate at Chik-Fil-A on that day to show my support for the RIGHT to express our opinions and not get harassed.
This woman is unfortunately, typical in her views. She believes that anyone who disagrees with the homosexual lifestyle is wrong and must change their attitude in today's world. I say NO. I will support anyone's choice to live the way they want. It is America and we are all free to live our lives. But to tell me that homosexuality is a normal behavior is wrong. It is an alternative lifestyle which means "not the norm". It is a distortion of the sexual relationship that God created for men and women to enjoy in marriage. She stated that she refused to believe that "God made a mistake". He didn't – we live in a sinful world and we choose how to live our lives. In the vast majority of cases, homosexuality is a choice, regardless of what the media, Hollywood and leftist liberals will tell you. It was classified as a deviant behavior until 1973, when 2 men who were closet homosexuals and on the board of Directors with the American Association of Psychology wanted it changed.
Everyone is free to live their lives as they choose. Everyone has the right to express an opinion and not be judged because of that opinion. Ms. Willis has judged me as a hater because I do not believe homosexuality is a normal behavior. I don't call her names or belittle her for her lifestyle, but she seems to have no problem belittling me and other Christians for believing what the Bible says about homosexuality. And that is what bigotry really looks like.
mom of 4: why do you call it a "lifestyle"?
you have every right believing it is not normal behavior. what you do not have a right to do is deny others their civil rights.
But you are belittling her mom offourwhen you refer to homosexuality as a "lifestyle" . The moment you said that I stopped taking you seriously on the grounds that you don't not undersand gay culture.
Wish I could be there to witness your final judgement. The look of sheer terror on you face is gonna be priceless!
There's no such thing as heaven, hell, or any god's "judgement", but it's interesting how much delight you take in imagining the torture of someone who disagrees with you. Mighty fine christian values there.
Actually everything you just said is bigoted. Judge not, lest ye be judged. Does that ring any bells? If you really are a Christian you should read your new testament again and really pay attention to what Jesus says.
Oh dear me, are you not MERCIFUL? So, just be be clear, you don't "hate" gay people, you just support a bigot's right to freely express his bigotry verbally and by donating money to causes that aggressively fight against allowing gay people to have the same rights under the law that you yourself enjoy....that about right?
You are truly among the worst breed of human. I do not envy your children the miserable life they will have if they don't one day soon come to the realization what a wretched mother they have and work to overcome the hateful brainwashing you have forced upon them.
My aren't you clever. We all stand in wonder how you, a non gay person, can tell me, a gay man, how I became gay. To you, you choose your sexual orientation. At what point exactly does that happen, since your an authority of the subject. Or perhaps the bible you thump with so much agression can tell you, like it does about divorce (oh that's right, you just ignore that one).
For someone who comes on this thread you certainly have an agenda. It quacks just like a duck, and it certainly walks like a duck, so my quess is your a duck. You deride her for so called name calling while you see her and raise her fifty in your name calling. Typical of your sub species.
Attack call them names and then say how put upon you are. If anything is pathetic, that is.
Bottom line, is you dont belive in this country. You dont think that we are all created equal. You are more concerned, as your response so clearly shows, with your agenda of protecting your privilege that you are blind to the very truth that stands in front of you. You violate God's laws, you stand in judgement of someone you do not know, you call them names, you belittle them and minimize an individuals worth and then have the audacity to tell me how I came to be gay.
Wow, perhaps you can share with us all your views on inter-racial marriages so we may all become more enlightened.
Mom of 4, your thoughts are very much like my own Mothers... And its sad to think that at least one of your children will decide to distance themselves from you, if not all, because of your view of the modern world and your lack of evolution in thought. Not because they don't love you, not because they are not grateful for what you've given them in their childhood, but because you are refusing to accept all humans as they are. My relationship with my Mother has diminished in the last 10 years due to my disdain of her lack of acceptance of the human race. I've had to schedule TWO wedding receptions (one for my family and one for my friends) because I am EMBARRASSED to have such close mindedness around my wonderful friends. I am a woman who married a man. I am a human being who loves. And I would think that if you are a mother of 4, then you have to know what genuine, real love feels like.
I dare you to imagine a world where the roles were reversed. Imagine if in the Bible (or ReligiousBook you place great value in) heterosexual marriages were condemned. Would you 'choose' to be homosexual to act in accordance with your religious affiliation? Would you be attracted to that person you were 'choosing' to be with? Would you try to conform?Would you still love the father of your children? Would you still want to marry him and make your partnership legal? Would you support a company that contributed to organizations that prevented you from sitting in a hospital room with your partner while he was dying?
Love doesn't have a sexual preference, a racial preference, a religious preference, or age preference. Real love is within ALL humans. HUMANS. We are of the same species. We all have skin, a brain, and organs. If you are truly in love and have ever been truly in love, then you know it is not something that is 'controlled'.
I wish you luck in your life. I hope that your children can see beyond your ideals. But I also hope that your children grow up with their OWN sense of self and identity with their OWN voices and I hope that you ENCOURAGE that. Most of all I hope that you love your children, unconditionally... UNCONDITIONALLY... no matter what their views, thoughts, or sexuality are.
Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
Priceless! And endless gaggle of Inbred rednecks defending intolerance and fatty fried foods. Somewhere Paula Deen is having an orgasm...
Perfect.
The question here is a man's right to FREE SPEECH. Live with it. You are free not to eat there. If enough people do this he will go broke. But it seems the more negative press he gets the better his bottom line. So I would shut up and let the man speak. Funny I don't hear any uproar about Saudis and Muslim or Islamist groups beheading gays. This man just speaks his mind and some fascists call for his death. You either believe in the Constitution or you don't. If you don't, find a country that reflects your views and let the man exercise his own right as an American.
The simple answer to the title question is.... Why would you want to?
Too bad you don't go out do some volunteer work and stop littering the internet with your pathetic attack on Chick-fil-A. Get a good religious mentor and counselor to work out your problems. Gays are always demanding attention with tacky parades and constant whining. Do the morally-religious folks a favor and stay as far away from Chick-fil-A as possible! We don't want to be around your grossness and demanding attention staved personality.
Oh, please...
Yawn. Nice try troll.
Good one!
You are nothing more than a bigot and probably have little acceptance towards any group of diversity. Your sick statements preaching intolerance are gross and immoral! Who cares if someone is gay or lesbian? I don't! America needs to grieve for sorry people like you!
I agree with your statement whole heartedly, people who choose to practice homosexuality are gross,and tiresome.
Sounds like you are describing evangelicals
Chick-fil-a, Papa John's, Jimmy John's, and Applebee's are restaurants that have lost all of my friends and I for LIFE. We keep a list of such companies on our refrigerators to remind us who they are every day, and we teach our children about them as well, and encourage them to tell their friends not to go to any of them as well. No, such actions alone wont likely put them out of business, but it will certainly amount to profits lost, and over time, us and others involved will hopefully be enough to give their competitors the edge, till they are ruined.
We will never stop, nor forget.
John, believe me when I say this, I know some of your friends and most of them are all frequenting those establishments. They even talk about your feeble mind and how ridiculous you are... Instilling hatred into your children is ignorant and uneducated.
and, sadly, you must add In-n-Out (ironically) to this list.
Thanks for your helpful and hateful reply, ReallyMann! It made me decide to go to the closest LBGT group's headquarters (I know where there's one just ten miles from here), get some pamphlets, and give them some money. May God who created all those gays grant you blessings as well.
Thanks John! Routing this list to my 600+ contacts. Good input.
Calm down drama pants. You make it sound like William Wallace giving his "they can never take our freedom" speech. If you don't want to eat at those places don't, nobody cares, least of all the owners and CEOs of those places. Don't pretend to be a brave freedom fighter. None of those businesses have policies against hiring or serving homosexuals. They aren't harming you or infringing on your rights. If they do, take legal action. The only right that homosexuals don't have that heteros do is marriage, and I agree that it should be corrected. I doubt that you brave stance against horrible corporate foods is going to do anything to change that.
I'm not gay..... Can I go to Home Depot?
Your inference being....?
it is not an inference, it is an implication. inferences are from the standpoint of the reciever of the message
Who cares, their food is terrible! Let the backwards minded people have their redneck grease pit.!
Mike, don't be a backwards educated person. name calling and making unintelligent remarks makes you look as bad as everyone else. Everyone has a right in this country and if chik-fil-a wants to support traditional marriage it's their right. I for one believe life is a long difficult road for many and has many obstacles along the way. Sharing your love with someone should also be your free right. If two men, two women or man and women want to share their love for one another than they should be allowed to. If anything legalizing marriage for everyone will create a mini boom for the economy. Can you imagine how many more caterers, wedding planners and divorce lawyers will have new opportunities.
I Corinthians 6:9-11 is one scripture of many in the Bible which states that homosexuality is wrong. Among other things... This is why Christians are so adamant about denouncing homosexuality – especially when our society is pushing for it to be looked at as something good. Clearly in the Bible, homosexuality is identified as wicked, wrong, perverse, etc;
If I were a thief, would anyone openly accept me if I began informing everyone that I liked to steal from others and it was my lifestyle... and that I was born that way? NOPE!
Well, to God a sin is a sin, from lying, stealing, sex before marriage, homosexuality,etc; There is no degree – It's all forgivable because God is gracious and He loves us sooo much – but our sin separates us from Him.
For all sinners who want their lifestyle to be seen as normal and/or right ... It will never be normal or right in the eyes of God no matter how much the laws are changed in our country. The Bible is clear ...
wow.
if homosexuality is not a choice, how can it be a sin?
do you seriously equate gayness with robbing people?
do you seek to deny those who have pre-marital sex their civil rights?
except that the bible is not the law, but simply a book written by men interpreting their views about god and including their human prejudice
wow....where to start?
if being gay is not a choice, how can it be a sin?
do you seriously equate being gay with being a thief?
do you seek to deny those having pre-marital relations their civil rights?
how about those who eat ham? that was in leviticus, too
also, you, neither you nor the iron age sheep molesters who wrote the bible have any authority to speak for god.
There is a special place for people like you and heaven is not it. . .
OOOOOOH! I feel so threatened Megan.........
I think you might be a little confused on the definition of "threat": Threat – a declaration of an intention or determination to inflict punishment, injury, etc., in retaliation for, or conditionally upon, some action or course; menace: He confessed under the threat of imprisonment.
like to try again?
Amen brother!
It's Sunday-Can I have Chick-Fil-A now?
I have a gay son. I support gay rights and marriage. I also support the right of everyone to have their own beliefs. The Cathy's good works far outweigh any perceived bias. Just because they don't believe homosexuality is moral, doesn't mean they are evil. Maybe they are right – I don't believe they are, but let's face it, none of us will know until we are pushing up daisies!!! I strongly support their right to voice their opinion as I do the right of Ms. Willis to express her's. If she chooses to show them by not eating food that she likes, that is her problem.
Flashing News: Chick Fil-A welcomes gays...they have a new "enter through the back door" policy.
More heterosexual need to speak out. I don't know what parent wants their child bringing home a mate of the same sex. This gay push by the media "CNN" is crazy. If you don't agree with it some how you are primitive in your thinking. What happened to a person personal views? You can't work for CNN and openly say you are against same sex marriage you'll be out of of job. America is in a sad state of affairs.
Chick-fil-a had never barred gays from eating there. No one had ever commented about their discrimination towards gays because all were served equally. Gays boycotted chick-fil-a over the opinion of chick-fil-a president who is a human being and so will have an opinion and has a right to opinion. So when the boycott is over gays can happily eat at chick-fil-a.
I loathe these conservative evangelicals with their made up GOP religion and fake jesus. The real Jesus did not say a word about Gays or even abortion in the Bible.
hey dumbo yes the bible does preach against homosexuals and abortion
Actually it does.
where does the bible mention the word abortion?
This is stupid. The owner never said he was anti gay. He said marriage should be between a man and woman. He never said anything about banning gay people from his reasturaunt. The gay people banned themselves, with the rediculous boycott, which brought so much attention to the chain, they had record sales!!!!! The owner has every right to state his opinion.
I think it's stupid, too, but not for the reasons you have stated. I think that you have to look at it in terms of how much you enjoy something vs what boycotting it will do to that business. As a chef and health conscious individual, the author probably didn't eat at Chick Fil A more than 2-3 times a month, if that...
is her patronage or lack of really going to make a difference one way or another? if you want a chicken sammitch, then get one!!
why I thought it was stupid is because the author now feels it's okay to eat there since the restaurant chain took certain anti-gay groups off its books. she she REALLY believe that the mindset has changed? lol. and if Chick Fil A really want to keep funding those groups, there are certainly many, many creative ways of doing so.
First of all, it wasn't only gay people who boycotted Chick-Fil-A. And second, NOBODY was boycotting because the owner gave his opinion. Read the article again, Ethan Haunt, the boycott was because the chain was giving money to anti-gay organizations. I am straight and I've been boycotting Chick-Fil-A for years because I don't want any part of my money going to those organizations. I am glad to hear that they have not recently given corporate money to those organizations, but I still will not eat there because the food is really quite tasteless.
Dear Dumbo: Jesus didn't talk about gun control "spear controL', he didn't address discrimination against women, he didn't talk about stock maniupulation, he didn't talk about building codes either you moron!
Gay, Straight, Martian or whatever...if you choose to eat at a place like this, chance are you don't care very much about your health.
Go to the grocery store and buy yourself some healthy food and leave a place like this to the muffin tops of the world. You know, the kind of people who have so little of a life they care about the sexual persuasion of those choosing to eat themselves into an early grave at places like this.
Sure you can eat there, just don't use the toilets. I don't want f@ggot aids.
Surprised he is hungry after swallowing all that sausage!
Got eat at Nathan's, that will satisfy you more!
You two, thank you so much for proving that homophobes are idiots. The writer is a female and stated explicitly in the article that she was a lesbian. Perhaps actually reading the article you're spewing your vile at would help.
You do realize the author is a woman, right?
Heteros spread AIDS, but I guess you're not bright enough to know that.
First of all AIDS is an acronym which stands for "Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome", "aids" is the plural form of "to give help, to assist or to render aid". So let me aid your little pea brain in some knowledge.
AIDS is developed from contracting HIV, which in most cases is passed by unprotected sex or sharing hypodermic needles, you can't get it from passive contact (i.e. kissing, hand-holding or the toilet seat) . HIV/AIDS is not just a "homosexual disease", it transcends sexual orientation, race, gender, and socioeconomic status.
Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Queers and our supporters have a voice and we will be heard. You can't stop the change that's already been initiated, we are on the path to equal rights...So get that through your thick skulls.
What kind of A.I.D.S. do you want?
Haha. I'm in a monogamous, committed relationship of four years. My chances of getting AIDS, is virtually non-existent. How many divorces have you had, by the way?
Neither did I. *sigh* I sure do miss Chick-fil-A, though. And boys.
Gay or straight, why would anyone eat there? The food is lousy.
The entire premise of this article is flawed. I am a conservative Christian. While I oppose gay marriage (as I do not believe homosexuality is God's will for his people) I do not "abhor" the author. To the contrary, I pray for my gay friends as I pray for anybody else mired in sin (including myself.) If the author would get off his high horse and actually learn something about Christianity he would be surprised to learn that we practice much more tolerance than he does.
'god' is an idiotic idea promoted by immoral people to control and pacify the weak minded.
But the idea of men performing sex acts on men and women performing sex acts on women is completely normal is not an idea promoted by immoral people? Yeah right!!!! It't immoral and by nature wrong.
Gotta agree with you there, Bob. It's amazing what people will believe in. They'll believe anything but the truth...
Nothing new here!!...people who are poor and uneducated believe in their bible...the rest use their mind and think...
So you want tolerance as long as it agrees with your narrow minded athiest beleifs. You're a bigot.
I'm not gay, but I have several gay friends, and one thing is very clear: People don't choose to be gay. I don't know if it's nature or nurture, but the bottom line is that some people are just gay, and there's no way for them to change that.
When you try to punish someone for something they can't change, what is that?
What an absurd comment. Science also proves that some people are simply born pedophiles or have an inherent gene that leads them to murder. So do we give them a pass? I am not saying that the two are equal, but you simply can't say "we can't regulate people who are born that way."
I think your comment is absurd. Born gay has nothing to do with people born with a pedofile gene. Were you born heterosexual? Maybe that should be regulated? Geez, get over it. I am a married heterosexual and someone who is gay does not destroy my marriage. Leave them alone, stop hating and live your life.
Here you go again Bill, yes you ARE equating gays to pedophiles. Just by having them in your pitiful excuse for an argument. Pedophiles = breaking the law and violating anothers rights and taking advantage of people who cant defend themselves. Gay = sexuality, lifestyle, trying to gain equal rights. OMG. But go ahead, lump everyone together so you dont have to think about or appreciate the difference becuse your brain is lazy.
DID I JUST HAVE TO EXPLAIN THAT TO SOMEONE????
And people are allowed to be that, to have those genes, as long as they don't actually carry out the actions their genes encourage. People are also born with addictive personalities but that doesn't make them alcoholics, they choose to give in to it. Yes, it's much harder for these people to fight the urge to drink or kill than a person who doesn't have that gene, but they can. Other people are raised by abusers who teach them that is how you raise your kids, nurture or nature, they have to fight becoming abusers themselves, but they can and do.
Also, it's not a "murder" gene, it's aggression. Just like n the 50's, it wasn't illegal to be gay, it was illegal to commit sodomy. And there are Christians now who say the same thing, that maybe people don't choose to be gay, but they do choose to express it.
So no, we can't regulate people who are "born that way" or "raised that way" we regulate the way they behave and everyone controls their behaviour, everyone chooses whether or not to give in to things. (Except certain varieties of mentally ill people, who, again, we regulate their behaviour, if they can control it, then they're fine)
Amphisbaena,
Please explain to everyone why you feel that YOU are entitled to regulate what two unmarried consenting adults do in the privacy of their bedroom.
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Amphisbaena,
Please explain to everyone why you feel that YOU (singularly and collectively) are enti-tled to regulate what two unmarried consenting adults do in the privacy of their bedroom.
Every person whom I have even heard (or read) explain their reasoning for thinking that homosexuality is wrong has said that it is because it is against their religion. So to make laws that keep other people from acting on their homosexuality is actually an act of trying to force your religion on other people.
Why do all non-gays have to open their comments with an "I'm not gay, but" preamble? Couldn't you just describe yourself as a sexual being and leave it at that? As a gay man am I supposed to develop some sort of kinship with you because you profess us support, albeit a bit backhanded?
Amigay, I think most straight people do that because they want the small-minded bigots to know that all straight people are not anti-gay. I mentioned in a previous post on this thread that I am not gay because I was responding to a poster who apparently thought it was only gay people who were boycotting Chick-Fil-A. I certainly don't mean for my support of equal rights to appear 'back-handed', because it absolutely is not. I saw a t-shirt for sale once that I thought about buying ... it said "Straight But Not Narrow". I like the phrase, and think it describes me, but I did not buy the t-shirt because I suspected that some gay people might feel as you do, that I was trying to make sure that no one mistake me as being a gay person. After reading your comment, I am glad I did not buy that shirt.
I meant to say "not all straight people are anti-gay", rather than "all straight people are not anti-gay".
The terms Lesbian Christian and Gay Christians are oxymorons. I am referring to the article and the writer's comments. Of course some people believe that just because they believe in Jesus, maybe became baptized, and go to church on Sundays then they are guaranteed a spot in heaven. I am not talking about just gays in this respect but the people who believe God changes his mind to suit the desires of people on earth. I heard an atheist say once that he was told that he was a better Christian than the Christians that that person knew. That was because his morals were higher, he was honest, and he didn't do the wrong things that many people who profess to be Christians do. So called hypocrites. Regardless on that, an atheist could not be a better Christian anyway because an atheist is not a Christian.
To get back on the subject. Just because the owner of Chick-fil-A's.Is a Christian and does not accept gay marriage as an acceptable lifestyle, inline with the Bible, does not mean he is discriminative in nature. He does not have to approve the way you lead your life but he also cannot discriminate against you because of who you are. If he is a true Christian he is supposed to love his neighbor regardless. God is the one that judges. True Christians should actually read the Bible themselves. Most churches are corrupt in one form or another. Don't trust your life to a smooth talking rich pastor or bishop, etc. The Bible – Jesus talks about scribes and pharisees. Who do you think they would be in today's time?
Finally, if you are hungry for a sandwich, buy it or forget about it. Just because you buy something from someone does not mean you support their ideology.
The Bible says: If you eat shrimp, you are an abomination. If you touch the skin of a pig (e.g. a football), you should be stoned to death.
Conservative Christians never mention these parts of the Bible. They only mention the parts about being gay.
Jesus didn't say anything about being gay. There's plenty of room in the Gospels for gay Christians.
If you read ALL of the bible, rather than the little bit you think supports your views, you wouldn't make such a nonsensical statement.
ABarker,
If YOU read all of the Bible you'd know that Jesus never mentiooned gays. Guess it's news to you.
You'd also know then that God said that r@pe victims should be FORCED to marry their rapist. So much for his idea of love and marriage.
You're obviously referring to all the dreck peddled by ministers.
Again, you read the Scripture and forget context... They are not written as abdomination but that it is unclean.. Any if you see on most occasion, was not punished by death... I have not read anything in the Bible that states that eating shrimp leads to punishment of death.. So to make that point, there are weighter matters of punishment for certain sin... Homosexuality and sexual deviation was punished by death and has not changed with Christ's teaching.. Writing of Paul continues to affirm that point... In comparison, what ever goes into stomach is not as important as what comes out of mouth (or heart).... The Bible does not give leadway or acceptance of homosexuality.. It is a SIN! That is what Christians are affirming... We are taught to be loving but we are not to tolerate sin... It is like me trying to love someone who is an alcoholic but not tolerating his drinking problem.. I just want to make the Biblical context clear.. BTW, you can't be both a Christian and a homosexual because if you are a children of God, you want to do the Will of the Father and not tolerate SIN! The logical argument being confirmed again
David R says: "Writing of Paul continues to affirm that point... "
The apostle Pauls constantly refers to a thorn of the flesh, travels with a young man, and seems to single out lesbians. Many Bible scholars suspect Paul was gay.
AMEN!
AMEN! It makes me glad each time I see a Christian who is not rejecting people who are not like them! ( like them being I read my bible and nothing else! ;)
It makes me glad each time I see a Christian who is not rejecting people who are not like them!
Each time a Christian is being a true samaritan makes me glad...
You're missing the point as defenders of Chick-fil-@! generally do. You're absolutely right that buying a chicken sandwich does not amount to supporting an agenda. However, you're conveniently ignoring the fact that providing funds to an organization that funds other organizations with such an agenda is doing exactly that! Hence the boycott.
Dan Cathy is certainly welcome to his beliefs. As are the rest of us. Nobody is telling the owners of Chik-fil-@! what they can or cannot say. This is not a free speech issue. We're simply refusing to fund them any longer due to their decision to use a portion of that money to support an agenda we disagree with. Feel free to eat all the chicken sandwiches you like. It's a free country!
As for your ideas on Christianity? Look. Like all Christians, you pick and choose which passages of the Bible you agree with and you conveniently live your life following the book "as best you can". So who died and made you the judge of man, hmm? Just keep your mouth shut and live your life the way you want to live it, and let others do the same. They aren't going to burn in fictional heck any more than you are, buddy. Get over it!
@Full Plate, Nobody boycotted (or is boycotting) Chick-Fil-A because the owner is Christian, or because he does not believe in gay marriage. It is because the money you spend there is (or was) in part being donated to organizations that are trying to keep gay people from being equal citizens under the law. To make laws that force other American citizens to conform to your religious beliefs is just plain wrong, and I do not want even one penny of my money to go to such Unamerica organizations.
Yes Anderson Cooper, you can go eat at Chik Fil A. I hear they have a great tossed salad.
I don't think anyone was ever refused service at a Chick-fil-A.
the owner is entitled to his opinion – just as you are entitled to yours.
If you are offended, by all means, please stay away.
but you're wanting someone to change their beliefs to fit your world view.
its not going to happen – nor should it.
Anyone with an appreciation for food, regardless of sexual orientation, will have no desire to eat at Chik-fil-A. I tried their food once – it was as bad as most fast food. Starts out with factory farmed chickens and makes them so unhealthy to eat that you can feel yourself gain weight and your arteries harden just by looking at it. No thanks.
Yeah well I'm a non compensated gay Vietnam veteran and I'll eat at whatever establishment I damned well please regardless of whom they support, no gay rights group no matter whom they are or how powerful will ever dictate where I can and cannot eat. I exist in poverty and no gay rights groups of any kind has ever provided me or even offered to provide me with any kind of assistance in fighting the Department Of Veterans Affairs for compensation.
Maybe you could try eating your impoverished computer.
You are but a fool if you support homophobic businesses' profit margin! They should not benefit from being vile and ignorant!
Well wasn't being gay in the Army a no no back during the Vietnam war so technically you wouldn't really shouldn't be getting any benefits because you lied when you first went in....well that's what christian run organizations like chick fil a would probably think. Have fun with supporting a group that thinks you're less then human.
It really isn't chicken, it's ground up kats.......
And now you're going to be famous for being the guy who discovered the "kat".
I'm gay as well.. And I have to tell you, there is no way I would give one penny to any company to anyone who would stick a knife in me.. So, grow up... Are you kidding me here ? Give them your money, and that money will be used to help you stay in 1910... If you are ok with that, then by all means eat their nasty chicken !
Doug: It takes many gay and lesbians time to figure out who they are and accept it. All because you came to accept who you are and live your life in a way that makes you happy, can you then expect an entire society to just magically accept it. It takes time for all people to realize we are all just human and while you might be out of the closet, society isnt yet and you are going to have to be patient while that happens.
Before patronizing any business (restaurant, store, theater, etc.), do you ask where the owners contribute any profits? Do you then refuse to patronize the business if those proifts support any causes that are counter to your beliefs? If not, then STFU.
I love this boycott. It just means I don't have to stand in line as long to get mor chikin.
I happen to be a straight guy who has a lot of lesbian friends. What's the big deal about? All you Christian homophobes know you stroke off to lesbians.
I had a chicken biscuit from there the other morning, and I'm gay. Thank jeebus I didn't choke on it...but then again I'm not married to a man, so maybe I was ok anyway...D**m those prayers to the devil! Chick-fil-A is a gay restaurant anyway..they serve cock for chrissake!
If i am hungary and i drive by chcik fil a I will eat there
If you're Hungary, can I be Czech Republic???!!! Oh please, oh please?!?!
Hands off, buddy! Bobby already promised to invade my Poland. I asked, "Invade my pole and WHAT?"
I think he's a Turkey. ;)
Maybe you can be Czech Republic if you Greece his palm.
The gay people should open up their own restaurant theme... Butt-Goblin-Fil-A! End of story! :P
The title of this article is misleading, probably deliberately so. It implies that Chick-Fil-A was banning gays from eating there beforehand. This isn't Jack Chick-fil-A. It was never THAT bad.
And now, they changed the title of the article.
Chick-Fil-A, you don't know your @&& from your elbow.
Their food is gross, greasy and salty anyways. It's loaded with seasonings to mask the BS aftertaste.
They apparently can't tell those things apart on the chickens either.
First of all let me begin by saying that I don't like the persecution the the homosexual community experiences. What they do is their business and their business alone. They are also entitled to the same rights as any citizen of this country.
Now a question I have to ask. How can you claim to be a Christian and believe that homosexuality is acceptable to God? Have you read the bible? Right or wrong the bible is clear on his thoughts on homosexuality. I'm really just curious because there really is no room for interpretation.
"Can I eat at Chic-Fil-A now?" I don't know, can you? The only thing stopping you is you. There are a lot of businesses run out there by people that don't have the same social and political viewpoint as you. Use their services or don't use them as your conscience dictates. But please stop whining about it.
What if your conscience dictates that you explain to others why you choose (or choose not) to eat at Chick-fil-A? Then, if they complain, they are the ones whining.
if your consious bothers you so much regarding the religious viewpoint of an employee or owner of of Chick a Fill, a view by the way that is not part of their corporate policy and not once has their been any record of overt discrimination,
Then you all need to check every company or place of business from the corner market to the sports teams you support to the medical facilities you use im sure you will find a wide variety of differing private beliefs that may offend you.
The uproar over this has been blown way out of proportion The company has never stated that it would refuse to serve or discriminate against gays or anyone else The statements made were private views based on religious beliefs and not a company wide view point.
You are correct Mitchell, nowhere have I ever read that gay's couldn't eat in their restaurants it's just that chick-fil-a doesn't agree with the gay life style. Anybody with any brains can see it's odd behavior to be gay and there are natural laws against it. There are "in" holes and "out" holes in the human body and you ought not get the two confused.
"God doesn't make mistakes," is certainly an easy statement for the LGBT(QIA) community to fall back on. However, I do wonder how well that statment stands up to fact that God also created indiviiduals such as Jeffrey Dahmer, Stalin, Kony, Manson and oh all the psychopaths shooting up our great country. Now, regardless on whether one's being LGBT is biological or developmental, the right for a company to choose to serve whomever they choose is a basic fundamental right of all business owners (so long as they do not recieve significant government support).
So, are you saying that GOD does make mistakes? If so, are you one of them?
I just wanted to see if I could get someone to respond to a post. Regardless of ones views towards homosexuality, the right of business owners to operate according to thier personal and collective principles is thier right. If those principles end up proving unprofitable, then so be it. Still, until the judiciary system recognizes one's sexual preference as a suspect class (the same way race, national origin, and religion are) then it is thier right to refuse service to individuals based on that preference. Change the laws, don't blame the business that operate within their framework Frank.
A lot of these paradoxes clear up quickly if you just say that this god business is probably a load of crap.
No Thomas, it doesn't work like that. If a business if open to the public it is open to ALL the public not just the ones that the store owner wants to deal with. It is called the Public Accommodation Law and it helps prevent things like sign's outside of stores that say "No Colored People", "Irish Need Not Apply" and the ever popular "White Water Fountain and Colored Water Fountain". It's called discrimination and it's illegal as well as despicable.
Close. Generally groups classified as "Suspect Classes" cannot be discriminated against by businesses that maintain a close governmental involvement (my apologies for not know the correct term here). Congress can do this through the over expansion of the commerce clause of the first ammendment. To date, an individual's sexual preference has not be incorporated into the suspect class protection, which would draw strict scrutiny (meaning the company/corporation would have to demonstrate a compelling and blah blah blah need to discriminate in that way. A business owner certainly may tell someone that they will not serve them on some grounds. Very subjective (thus why we have a judicial system) but certainly within a business owners ability to discriminate based on sexual orientation.
i have never known any chick-fil-et to turn away a gay customer. i don't recall the sign saying "no homos". as long as you have money, they will take it!
No you can't eat chick-fli-a, stop crying and go eat crow.
Or there's always Jack-In-the-Box.
or jack off in a box. It's your choice.
What does that mean? Is it something suggestive as we think it is? Like certain parts of womens? I hope I don't get banned... ;)
LOL
The gays should be allowed in a Chick Fil A, as long as they use different bathrooms, just like the 'Colored' folk in the 50s. Gay people can also ride busses...just as long as they sit in the back of the bus. RIGHT ANTI GAY PEOPLE???? SEE HOW FRIGGIN RIDICULOUS YOU SOUND!!!!
First of all there's a big difference between skin color-ethnicity and behavior. This is not the same situation as civil rights for african-americans this is not about rights folks this is about approval. This is about a small group of people working to force the majority to approve of behavior that is morally objectionable
'Morally Objectionable'...WTF???? How dare you put your own judgment on someone? Does not your own religion have a phrase about 'casting the first stone'? Look at your own life and the things you do behind closed doors, or if you think you are holier than thou, think about everyone around you if you can, and you will find something 'Morally Objectionable' about them. In the 50s and early 60's it was "morally objectionable" to sit at the same lunch counter with a black person or have a white child in the same class as a black child. Please take a class or get some education in diversity. Please.
I vet CF about as much as any other business I deal with day in and day out. Unless they have done something so horrific and in your face, I usually don't much care. There is something about everyone and every business I don't like. All of them. I do not see eye to eye with anyone on everything, and know for a fact this is not a one way street. Should I vet CF differently than other businesses? At the end of the day who will I be able to do business with? Dig deep enough and you'll find something, every time.
I do look into the places where I spend my money. I don't eat fast food, but I've always gotten CF's diet lemonade. It's been about 5 years since I've consumed anything from this company because I saw their application for a franchise, and the questions were very shady. Do I have to believe in Jesus an be heterosexual to be honest and hard-working? I refuse to perpetuate any kind of discrimination – race, sex, religion, sexual preference, or size.
BTW – when Henson productions pulled their toy out of Chick Fil-A's kid's meal this summer because of this controversy, the corporation posted signs saying the toys were dangerous for small children and needed to be discontinued. NOT a company I want to patronize.
If I were to ever see those type of questions on an application, I would walk away – immediately. Never mind my views on it, they have no right to ask this type of personal information.
My point was – I don't vet the businesses I do business with. I don't vet the grocery store. I don't vet the vendors of the products/produce I buy I don't vet the pharmacy. All of these at least not to some fine point. They deliver a solid product and I'm happy. If I were an easily offended person (and I'm not), it wouldn't take me long to find something to be offended by with any number of these businesses/vendors.
I do understand what this is all about. I also believe that both sides seem to have those that seem to be more emotionally involved for whatever reason. Lots of things I don't like, but I cannot fight all battles. I have to pick and chose. This one doesn't need another idiot just howling in the wind.
The sooner religion dies off, be it by the populations growing understanding of how dangerous it is or something else, the better. Religion had its uses, now it's time for it to die. Anyone who needs a mythical fairy tale to fall back on when times are hard is a pathetic failure in my opinion.
Except Christianity
How is your hatred and derision aimed at believers in God any different from those that direct hatred or derision upon Gays? Oh, yeah, maybe the fact that approximately 2% of the population is gay while roughly 90% of the population believes in God (and not mutually exclusive, I might add).
Hömöséxiality should be illegal like Islamic nations
Homosexuality should be illegal...like speeding.
Omg,
The Bible has some ridiculous rules for defining "love" and "marriage". Disgraceful.
Read it sometime.
Islamic Nations are not illegal. And thankfully for you neither is totally screwing your point up with bad writing.
The dead chickens really do not care if you are gay.
Excellent question...if you are a dead piece of meat, would you rather be eaten by a straight or gay person?
If I were a dead piece of meat, the only thing that mattered is if the person were enjoying my flesh. Doesnt matter if they are gay, straight, black, white, red...it matters only to the person whose tounge my taste will dance upon!
might be a black gay buzzard....word is they like chicken.
Homosexuality is immoral and abnormal sexual behavior, nothing more. They're not oppressed, and their not heroes. All sex is a choice. We don't condone adultery, beastiality and pedos, and we shouldn't condone homosexuality either. It's just so sad that so many are so warped. But there's turning back now! Go marry your sister or your cow...it's love, no one can judge you.
wow. such laser like insight.
Are you people for real?! Thank the Lord for an organization like Chick-fil-a that closes on Sundays for it's employees, donates (whether you like it or not, it's better than not donating a dime to anyone), provides the best fast food service, and just today gave my daughter a book as a toy in her kids meal. Wow a book, something my kid can actually learn from instead of some cruddy plastic action figure. If only MORE organization were like Chick-fil-a. The fact you creeps are taking jabs at them just shows how messed up society has gotten. I'll continue to support them and if you don't, then thats actually great, at least I won't have to deal with you a-holes while I enjoy a meal.
If I found out I had a gay relative I would disown them in under five seconds.
SWE3,
That's a good idea. It's the best thing you could do for them.
SWE3. Grow up already.
SWE3, if I found out you were my relative or neighbor, I'd disown you.
Duh you have a gay relative. what will they lose when you disown them?
LOL...disown....like you 'owned' them in the first place?!!!! Gay relative says: "Ohhhh release me! Disown me...release me from these shackles!!!! LOL
I dont see what your big deal is...Anal is Anal, whether youre dishing it out to guy or a girl. Get over yourself and enjoy it!
Disown the gays and sleep with your kinfolk. We know the story.
What a true good Christian you are! The world needs more people like you!
i'm sure they would thank you for that, swe3
This is such bullcrap. Trying to pick a fight with a brand.
You aren't gay, you are homosexual. Yes you can eat there. You could before, you can now, and you can in he future.
I heard they were going to open a Roster-fil-a so the gays can still eat and stop whining because someone has a different opinion.
Roster: any list, roll, or register: a roster of famous scientists; a roster of coming events.
Get a life already.
It's a FAST FOOD RESTAURANT, for those hacks who take themselves too seriously.
If Chick-fil-A is involved in war crimes or crimes against humanity, then maybe I won't eat there, but in America, everyone has a right to their opinions. Not every issue on this planet involves "bigotry", "racism", or "discrimination".
Common sense dictates that you eat at a place based on how delicious and affordable the food is, and how nice the ambiance is. Other considerations come in second.
Get a job. You guys are way too free if you can politicize a FAST FOOD RESTAURANT, and none of you had better be parasites on food stamps.
I agree with you on this one. Politicizing a fast food joint. The Media is to blame for most of this.
I know I need to find something better to do, I have a great job but the weather is too bad and I can't fly today, God Bless the Troops, all of them!!
i have qualms about paying patronage to a place that uses the money I give them to do something that I find morally repugnant. I think instead of the writer, or me "getting a life" you need to acquire some values and a spine to go with them.
Me too but do you know how hard it is to avoid every company that supported Obama... rofl
Just because their values don't match yours doesn't mean they have no values. Just different ones. If you are offended, then just quietly don't give them your business. I don't understand all the chest thumping about it. When I decide to not do business somewhere, I just quit doing business there. If asked, I'll say why. Otherwise, no one really cares.
I like your logic...it's this same logic that upsets so many Americans that our tax dollars support things like abortion, and we can't not pay taxes without running the risk of getting in trouble with Uncle Sam. At least if you don't like what a company does, you can boycott that company. And I found this article interesting. Though I think she missed the point of the Appreciation Day. If I remember right, that day was created AFTER the LGBT community announced a boycott of a national restaurant. The conservatives wanted to show their support financially for a group that was being attacked for a CEO expressing his personal beliefs. Soooo one-sided. Shame on anyone for expressing their opinions, if those opinions don't follow what another group wants to hear. And obviously this reply isn't entirely about your post, but once I gt started..
You stated it so simply and hit it right on the head
its a fast food place enjoy it or not it was ony one persons view anyway yes in hind sight it may have been better to keep it a private one but it was not in any way a corporate policy of overt discrimination.
I hate to say it but when a worker tries to Marry a piece of equipment up he attaches the Male end to the Female end and it goes together. Ask a worker what happens when you try to attach a male end to a male end or a female end to a female end, Doesn't work!!
Really?Why don't you go ahead and use your imagination.LOL
Not an Image I want to think about all day!! LOL
Christian and 'values' are 2 words that really don't belong together in this context. Try Christian and 'prejudiced', or Christian and 'hateful' instead' . Don't you think that is more accurate?
I love the Hateful part!! Really? Christians are probably the most diverse in the World. But because we don't believe what you want us to then we are bigots. I have nothing against the way you live your life. Don't try and Make everyone accept your agenda. Marriage is between a Man and a Woman. Plain and simple, has been for Billions of years and now it should be changed? Interesting.
Actually it has been between a man an many women as well.... Why is that not the "proper" marriage?
There is a massive number of Christians out there that has no problem with gay and lesbian people. For you to "speak for all of us" is beyond ridiculous. You are just another example of someone on the far right being on the wrong side of an argument that you will definitely lose in the decades to come.
Marriage has been between a man and a woman for billions of years? Really? Please show me the history of man going back billions of years. Since you brought up the historical aspect of marriage, it has been, in case you haven't noticed, a rather dicey prospect for the heterosexual couples that have signed up for the duration. Percentage-wise, they aren't all that successful. So, stop with the "my way is better that your way" illogical argument. Take it from another straight guy - yes, that is me - your beliefs are outdated and, in the long run, you are going to lose this one. May as well stop the bitterness right now.
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The reason men had multiple wives back in the time was that they were bound to take in their brother's wives and take care of them. It was more of a family taking care of family thing.
Conservative Veteran,
"The reason men had multiple wives back in the time was that they were bound to take in their brother's wives"
Nonsense, how many of the multiple wives in the Bible were widows of brothers?
King Solomon had 1,000 wives and concubines. Did God ever complain about that? Nope. God said he was the smartest man in the world.
EXACTLY! Gays can have "children" but that child only has the gentic make-up of one which is a serious problem. Thus why the dying out concept comes into play.
Conservative Veteran,
So you are trying to present some kind of argument against gays by pointing out that for many objects to link together they need to have dissimilar parts?
Are you serious?
Observer
However you want to justify yourself as being natural. Look around, do you see other mammals mating with their same sex. I guess we are the evolved species here because we figured a way around nature. Isn't Nature and evolution part of the Atheist, Agnostic point of view.
Observer
However you want to justify yourself as being natural. Look around, do you see other male mammals mating with males same. I guess we are the evolved species here because we figured a way around nature. Isn't Nature and evolution part of the Atheist, Agnostic point of view.
Conservative Veteran,
If you looked around you'd see that some animals even change their sex to suit the situation.
I am natural. I'm right-handed like 90% of the population. Are you and your family and friends natural or left-handed?
Like most of what you've said, you got my orientation wrong too. I'm straight.
SWE3,
"EXACTLY! Gays can have "children" but that child only has the gentic make-up of one which is a serious problem. Thus why the dying out concept comes into play."
Putting children in quotes just shows how unrealistic you are. A child is a CHILD. Gays and lesbians can reproduce and could continue to populate the world without "dying out'.
Please get a better education.
Conservative Veteran –
Male and female parts produce gay people. If you're so worried about the existence of gay people, then I suggest you go on crusade to end heterosexual sex. Otherwise just deal with what makes you uncomfortable that you obviosuly cannot cope with that promotes such intrinsic discomfort radiating outward.
And thank you for learning about the birds and the bees at Ace Hardware.
the Gays and Lesbians and Atheists need to understand that the whole country does not have to agree with them on everything. Family values play an important part in this and so do Christian values. Trying to redefine Marriage is not what America wants, less than 50% of the Americans want that and the rest of us want to keep Marriage between a man and Woman like nature intended. For legal rights, call your union something else but leave Marriage alone.
I agree with you and the same goes towards mixing races too. Blacks and whites should not mix. It is despicable and should remain as nature intended. Just because we all have the same equipment for mating does not mean we should mix. The reason for the different colors of people are because we all know who to court and mate with. Blacks stay with blacks and whites stay with whites.
Mainly they want bigots like you to leave them alone and stop trampling on the Constitution. If you want the Bible to define marriage, I'll be over to rape your daughter in the morning. I'll bring a couple of goats to make it official.
Some people have a deep seated psychological need for everyone to agree with them.
Don't agree with me and I won't shop at your store.
Don't agree with me and I won't talk to you even though you live next door.
Don't agree with me and I won't accept your offer to donate money to a good cause we both support.
I can disagree with someone and still be on friendly terms. That is a skill forced on me by a stretch in the army and later many years in a large factory with hundreds of employees. I had to learn to be tolerant of differing views in order to be effective at my job. That doesn't mean I cave in to them, compromise, or accept their views just to have peace. I accept that not everyone is going to agree with me.
That's life, get over it and get on with it.
It is amazing that when I post a conservative point of view on this subject it has to await moderation. I said nothing hateful or untrue. CNN is really a liberal organization isn't it. Only the liberal agenda gets posted.
Now don't go freaking out- conservative dude.It's not at all like a conservative to be paranoid.Perhaps you might enjoy posting over on the fair and balanced web-site.What,they don't allow freedom of speech over there?What are THEY afraid of?
I am a liberal. Just posted a liberal point of view on the subject. No bad language, nothing out of order. Guess what? It is "awaiting moderation." So, don't get your underwear all up in a bunch and start with the CNN conspiracy theories on the far right. Relax.
Gays and Lesbians were not banned from Chik-Fil-A, the owner just voiced his opinion, we are allowed to have those in this country still right, oh that's right, if it is not the same as your opinion than it is wrong and should be squelched. He is entitled to disagree with Gs and Ls points of view, and you and all of your friends are entitled to not eat there if that makes you happy. There are plenty of plenty of Conservatives and non activists that enjoy their food and will buy it. Stop saying that your G agenda is what America wants. less than 50% of America wants it, the other 50+% want to keep good old Christian American values
Is this post being censored by Cnn
We people don't try to keep birth control or abortions away from you. We try to keep our tax dollars from funding it for your social agenda. Abortion is Murder, plain and simple. If a man were to walk up to a pregnant woman and stab and kill her baby would it not be murder? Or is that legal and we just call it assault? Big question to ponder. Gays and Lesbians were not banned from Chik-Fil-A, the owner just voiced his opinion, we are allowed to have those in this country still right, oh that's right, if it is not the same as your opinion than it is wrong and should be squelched. He is entitled to disagree with Gs and Ls points of view, and you and all of your friends are entitled to not eat there if that makes you happy. There are plenty of plenty of Conservatives and non activists that enjoy their food and will buy it. Stop saying that your G agenda is what America wants. less than 50% of America wants it, the other 50+% want to keep good old Christian American values
Gays have a little problem reproducing so hopefully they die out.
What an ignorant post! Don't you realize that homosexuality has been a part of the human experience since we came down from those African trees more than 2 million years ago? So as far as them dying out, I wouldn't hold my breath.
I have bad news for you: gay people will never die out as long as people (gay or straight) keep having babies.
Well, the excessive hormones in fast food meat products may be adding lots of new members to their teams
Have you ever considered what you would do if a member of your family came out as gay?It happens you know.Would you accept him/her and change your hateful attitude or would you try to beat the gay out of him/her?Think before you shoot off your idiotic trap next time...Sheesh!
Someday, maybe, enough of us will realize that minorities are discriminated against and oppressed simply because they are a minority, the particulars of which matter very little. The "accidental majority" (straight & white) could certainly learn a bit more consideration for those born with different DNA. But, if you're feeling put upon by the world at large, I suppose all you really want is for others to be at least as miserable as you are, especially if they're different through no fault of their own.
Unfortunately, the fact that their publicity group is saying that they no longer have a "political agenda" just means that they were feeling the heat and decided to pay lip service to being inclusive, not that they are actually becoming more accepting.
Pretending that somehow their philosophy has suddenly changed just because they were hit in the pocketbook is a great way to be able to patronize them again. Great and hypocritical.
They weren't hit in the pocketbook. Revenue was up 14% in 2012, by far their best year ever.
What Heat? they had an increase in profits by 14% last year, If anything they would still be riding the wave. The owner is entitled to his Christian beliefs. He never said that Gays and Lesbians could not work for his company, could not dine at his restaurants or that he would not serve them. Next you will be bashing him for honoring the Sabbath.
when people put their lifestyles and opinions on display for the world to see then they subject themselves to everyone who cares to give an opinion.. Homosexuality is a sexual perversion in which people in most cases choose to be with the same sex for intimacy..a person can be loved by anyone so that excuse is a moot point.. sex should be intimate and behind closed doors.. Why do i need to know that a person is gay? Heterosexuals don't have parades saying hey i like the other sex lets skip for joy.. Heterosexuality is natural.. thats how 99% of us got here minus the test tube babies..but still the biological process of man and woman has to come together.. When a homosexual person passes on their legacy is gone biologically...it is a selfish perversion on many levels.. I'm surely not introducing religion because its importance isnt relevant to me.. Nature speaks volumes and its far more tangible.. I believe some people who are gay are great people surely but i think thats their personal business it should be kept that.. i dont need to see them kissing, skipping, grabbing ass on tv or the street.. it isnt normal and frankly the world doesn't need to accept what goes on behind their doors once they are closed.. too much of forced homosexuality is going on especially on tv. but when profit can be made on something obviously tv or media doesn't care about values and what kids are exposed to.. think im typing too much..lol i could go on about this but simply put i think its a personal issue that should be kept personal and doesn't need to be broadcasted or made ok when it directly doesnt influence the giving of life...it ends it essentially..
What Heat? they had an increase in profits by 14% last year, If anything they would still be riding the wave, but this whole thing was blown out of context by the liberal Media trying again to push their agenda. The owner is entitled to his Christian beliefs. He never said that Gays and Lesbians could not work for his company, could not dine at his restaurants or that he would not serve them. Next you will be bashing him for honoring the Sabbath.
As a gay person, I wasn't just offended by the fan appreciation day, I was very bothered by the gay kiss-ins. GOSH AM I THE ONLY GAY PERSON who thinks that on both sides there are some seriously twisted people? Just eat the chicken or don't. I don't eat chick-fila because I don't eat fast food. Supersize Me took care of that.
I have the perfect solution: Why doesnt Chick Fil-a start offering their version of a Hot Fudge Packed Sundae?
Grow up.
That was hilarious lmao!
Why eat chicken when you can eat....sausage
It's crap food anyway. I wouldn't eat there if it was free.
I appreciate the article's honesty. Over and over she says, "I refuse to believe – I refuse to believe – I absolutely refuse to believe". Of course, that doesn't make the things she refuses to believe any less true.
on the flip side of course, that doesn't make the things that others believe in true
Of course. My point being – her believing or refusing to believe something doesn't make it any less (or more) true. To say "I refuse to believe" is not much of a rational argument for or against something. I can refuse to believe in gravity – but if I jump off a 50-story building, I'm still going to splat. My refusing to believe changes nothing.
Freedom of speech: The author has her opinion, Dan Cathy has his opinion. It's a free country and people can eat wherever they want. After the media drove this "controversy" farther than it ever should have, the "boycott" resulted in CFA revenue up 14% in 2012, by far its best year ever.
The author should eat there, though, even though she disagrees with CFA's opinion. I watch TV and movies even though I know liberals run the show there. She should eat at CFA knowing that conservatives manage the business.
I for one will never eat there. I'm not gay but I support the gay and lesbian community whole-heartedly. Militant Christians should be opposed at every opportunity.
Us Christians have been around a long time and plan on taking back "OUR" country from you Secularlists. GOD love each and everyone of us and hopes that we Christians can keep up the fight to keep this a Christian nation as our Fore Fathers planned it to be. Quit trying to get rid of Christianity, we outnumber you 2 to 1. His word will prevail. God bless you!!
The original 7 founding fathers were NOT Xtians and it was their intention to set in place an impenetrable wall between religion and government. This country was founded by Deists upon humanitarian principles. Xtianity came to be a synonym for "religion" in the 1950's. So far as the "gay" issue goes, The Bible says we should take our example from nature. Any one with animals such as dogs, cats, cows,etc. has observed both gay and hetero behavior in "nature. It is absurd to worrying about who goes to bed with whom. DNA clearly defines preference.
I'm out as a gay man to all of my brothers but I keep it to myself, as far as work or neighbors go. When all that Chick-fila (sp) was going on, I just ignored it. My feeling was the founder/owner can believe what he wants. The fan appreciation day wasn't on my mind when it occurred, until I happened to walk by my neighbors house when there son ran past me with Chick-fila bags. I felt crushed and hurt & finally understood why these neighbors didn't like me. Now, I'm still pleasant to them but only the wife returns the pleasantries. Again, people can believe what they want but that day walloped me upside the head with hurtful and angry feelings.
I'm pretty sure the neighbor's kid did not have you on his mind at all when he was holding a CFA bag. He was probably hungry.
True. I just wish I'd somehow not encountered him at that moment . . .
Fido, any man that says "pleasantries" is definitely gay. Of course the wife is the only one that would speak to you, women are the main reason why slavery was abolished, blacks are everywhere now, and the whole gay thing is spreading like a disease. Women do control the world with the vitamin "P"
"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."
This is one scripture of many in the Bible which states that homosexuality is wrong. Among other things... This is why Christians are so adamant about denouncing homosexuality – especially when our society is pushing for it to be looked at as something good. Clearly in the Bible, homosexuality is identified as wicked, wrong, perverse, etc;
If I were a thief, would anyone openly accept me if I began informing everyone that I liked to steal from others and it was my lifestyle... and that I was born that way? NOPE!
Well, to God a sin is a sin, from lying, stealing, sex before marriage, homosexuality,etc; There is no degree – It's all forgivable because God is gracious and He loves us sooo much – but our sin separates us from Him.
For all sinners who want their lifestyle to be seen as normal and/or right ... It will never be normal or right in the eyes of God no matter how much the laws are changed in our county. The Bible is clear ...
Yes you can eat there but you have to go through drive thru and eat in the parking lot.
I'm christian. I recognize homosexuals as God's children who are as equal in his eyes as anyone else. I eat at Chick FilA. All is good.
NO you can not eat at Chick-Fil-A. Just go to a bar and have a cocktail.
Virginia, as a gay man myself, here's how I look at it: Certain states in this country have very anti-gay laws in place; in some states there are NO legal protections for gays AT ALL. Would you refuse to buy a product from a business just because they happened to reside in that state? Would you refuse to stay in a hotel there if you stopped on a road trip to another state? I mean, tax dollars from your purchase are going to the state government that made those anti-discriminatory laws. When California passed Prop 8, did people move out of California because they didn't want their tax dollars going to the state government?
My second point is: I think your view that the Chik-fil-A Appreciation Day was ONLY about anti-gay bigots is misguided. Certainly many of the people who participated belonged in that category. But you're overlooking another element: Many of those who frequented Chik-fil-A on that day are people who are simply tired of being told what to do. It was a lashing out at political correctness for many who attended. For others, it was a feeling that the boycott of Chik-fil-A represented a certain hypocrisy: GLBT are free to do what they want in their private lives, but the owners of Chik-fil-A are not free to do what they want in their private lives (which is to donate money to whatever organizations they wish). In any case, I don't think the reasons behind the success of Chik-fil-A Appreciation Day were as simple as you make them out to be.
Finally, the voice of reason. Thank you.
Thank you so much Superbu!
I am so tired of gays and atheist can voice and FORCE views and we Christians can not.......what is the deal? Are you that far out there as to believe that you are the only ones on Earth? I could care less if you are gay or what you believe, but leave me alone......If I have to accept your crap, accept mine and move on with your pathetic little drama filled attention needing lives. Grow up for a change,,,,,,,
You people try to keep me from having birth control or abortion. Gay people and atheists don't try to force you to do anything but mind your own business, nor prevent you from practicing your religion as long as it's not using the money and time of our government. There's a big difference there.
We people don't try to keep birth control or abortions away from you. We try to keep our tax dollars from funding it for your social agenda. Abortion is Murder, plain and simple. If a man were to walk up to a prgnant woman and stab and kill her baby would it not be murder? Or is that legal and we just call it assault? Big question to ponder. Gays and Lesbians were not banned from Chik-Fil-A, the owner just voiced his opinion, we are allowed to have those in this country still right, oh that's right, if it is not the same as your opinion than it is wrong and should be squelched. He is entitled to disagree with Gays and Lesbian points of view, and you and all of your friends are entitled to not eat there if that makes you happy. There are plenty of plenty of Conservatives and non activists that enjoy their food and will buy it. Stop saying that your Gay agenda is what America wants. less than 50% of America wants it, the other 50+% want to keep good old Christian American values
amen to that. I fear RR is an inbred hillbilly on welfare.
You make no sense. Free speech means that you can say whatever retarded, mythological, crap you want (with some limits) and I can counter your ignorance and even call you ignorant. My disagreeing with your absurdity is in no way forcing my (lack of) beliefs on you, dolt.
"Chick-fil-A wasn’t as aggressively homophobic"
Huh? So being "non-aggressively homophobic" is ok, then? Look, eat wherever you choose, but frankly I would not want to eat there if I were gay...KNOWING that I am giving money to someone who hates me, regardless of whether or not they donate that money to a hate group!
RR....cry me a river!
me an my gay atheist buddies are gonna troll the streets looking for xtians to beat up. then were gonna make laws banning xtians from getting married or adopting kids. We'll also force them to have at least one abortion a year by making them pregnant. then we'll make laws where you'll get fired if ANYONE finds out your a xtian.... you better shut your ignant mor0nic bigoted pie hole you p o s xitan...
Ooh... Kenny is an angry gay atheist.
I'm sorry to learn you were not able to refill your medications. Perhaps a nice Xtian church will take up a donation for you so you can afford them. Just be polite when you ask for help and don't act gay while you are there. On the way out though, with cash in hand you could just let it rip.
jeez Christians are a whiny bunch.
Did you just say that christians are not allowed to voice their opinion? Really?!
Give us all a break from your lunacy. You've been spouting your opinion for 2000 yrs. "We say Merry Christmas in America!" "Honk if you love Jesus" "repent! For the End is near" "Life begins at conception, except for when we our hospital is being sued by a in Canon City, Colorado couple for wrongful death in the death of a "Fetus". Then life just begins at birth. Shut the **** up. We are sick of the religious wrong crying foul after your centuries of treating mankind with suck ill will in the name of your Jehova.
I agree. It's always those with the biggest mouths that force the rest of us to change our NORMAL ways. I am OK with people being gay as long as they keep it to themseves in public. I don't go around yelling about my sexual preferences. Why can't we have STRAIGHT day at or a straight parade. When we go over our friend's house, he and his partner do not kiss and show any sexual advances toward each other just as my husband and I don't do it in front of them.
People have a right to their beliefs and YOU gays and atheists have no right to try to get the rest of the world to accept yours. You can't imagine a man going with a girl and I can't vision a guy's privates going in another guy's,,,.,, So just live your lives and shut up.
RR, I'll tell ya what. You "Christians" have been FORCING your dogma down everyone's throats for some time now. Most recently, the "Defense of Marriage Act." That's Christian dogma. Period. End. Dot. Your perception of "war" on your faith is simply an expression that, gosh, there are a LOT of people who don't agree with your view. How would you like it, RR, if this nation passed a law that REQUIRED you to marry a same-sex partner, hmmm? It amuses me (in a cynical way) that most conservative Christians bray loudest about Constitutional rights (like, um, guns), but when it comes to challenging their religion, all of a sudden, the only religion that counts is theirs.
I dont see gay people or even atheists 'Crusading' and invading and killing millions to espouse their views. If anything, people should be scared the hell out of Christians than any other type of person on this planet!!!!! Bible = Bibble = Babble
How can one be a Christian and a lesbian? One cannot be the other. Liberal theology is such a sad thing.
Mr. Conservative,
How can one be a Christian and not support slavery?
How can one be a Christian and not support discrimination against women?
How can one be a Christian and not support discrimination against the handicapped?
Christian hypocrisy is such a sad thing.
This "liberal theology" is like string theory. When people don't have the capacity to understand it, they just assume it doesn't really exist.
Evolution is another good example of this.
Really? So are they imaginary Christian Lesbians?
They are Lesbians who believe in Christ, ergo they are Christian Lesbians. It's interesting that you're judging someone on her sexuality...because I can't imagine Christ doing that. Perhaps you are an imaginary Christian yourself!
more like mr. ignant mor0nic old fool... life must be rough for someone soooo stuuupid....
There ARE Christians with sin problems other then lesbianism. Unfortunately, the biggest problem with Christians is that they are imperfect human beings to begin with. God is dealing with some damaged second rate merchandise here. Sort of like what you find at a scratch and dent sale.
Sometimes a sin problem is just more obvious then others.
The "Christian" who beats his wife and kids may not be discovered for years.
The kleptomaniac who sits way in the back row of the church wants to be "saved" but can't seem to control the urge to grab things. A stretch in prison will stop the grabbing of things.
Speaking of grabbing things, there is the preacher who likes to grab women and convince them to get romantic with him. He wants to be "saved" too.
Then there's the guy on death row who can't control his temper. He totally lost it one time during a traffic stop and killed a police officer with his bare hands. He wants to be "saved".
The really amazing and yet frustrating aspect of it all is.....we don't get to decide who is "saved". That is up to God. He sees EVERYTHING. He knows things we don't know. He knows why the guy beats his wife, why the klepto steals, why the preacher commits 'adultery', why the criminal killed with his hands.
He has all the background information that explains how people came to be what and who they are.
I learned long ago not to tell someone they are going to hell because I am not a perfect being therefore my judgment may not be accurate.
Leave it up to someone smarter then all of us put together. Stop trying to play God. It doesn't become you.
You're not going to hell because you're a lesbian. You're going to hell because you're not a Christian. In the Christian faith there are several key pillars to their belief system. Above all, we believe in Creation over Evolution. We also believe that marriage is between a man and a woman. Although sodomy is frowned upon in Christian beliefs; even as a Christian I don't believe this "one" sin alone would send anyone to hell. However what concerns most Christians is that you consider the "unnatural" to be normal or natural, or Christian. Women were created for man; this is a key pillar of Christian beliefs. "The man and the woman will come together and their flesh shall become one..." (offspring). Which brings me to my next point; we don't believe in creating babies through science; thus taking God out of the creation process all together. Whereas heterosexual couples do this, for couples of the same sex; children were never meant to be. Period.
If I were to go into the Synagogue and start singing praises to Jesus; I would expect to get a few odd glances. If I persisted or even went as far as trying to convert anyone into Christianity, I would expect them to ask me to leave. If I refused to leave, I would find it well in their right to have me forcibly removed. Why? Because I would not be practicing the key pillars of Judaism. Therefore, they are allowed to discriminate against me for my beliefs. Would I call them hateful or accuse them of discrimination or even go as far as to say that they are abusing my human rights? Not at all. The truth is, I'm not Jewish; It's reality and I have no delusions about who I am. I have a genetic condition called male pattern baldness. It is a genetic imperfection that most people don't like about themselves and most women choose partners who don't have this genetic feature. Would I be delusional if I said that I wasn't bald? Would I be delusional if I accused people of being "baldists" if they called me bald? Yes I would; because they are telling the truth. Even if it hurt my feelings, it wouldn't take the truth out of the reality. Should I go to the government and DEMAND that they provide me with a hair transplant simply because I don't feel as normal as everyone else? Wouldn't I be delusional?
The gay community needs to accept the truth about who they are. They have a genetic imperfection no more significant or insignificant than anyone else with any other kind of imperfection. You're not special because of this imperfection, nor do you deserve civil rights protections for being gay any more than I deserve protections for being bald. Some people in the gay community may consider themselves Christians, but the reality is, you're no more Christian than I am Hebrew.
"I refuse to believe that God made a mistake." Yer right, He doesn't and He didn't make mistakes. Man did and contiues to do so. The way I see it, is even IF being a homosexual is genetic it's because of all the in breeding that man has done for a very long time, AND IF it is genetic, man still has a CHOICE, (it's called free will), and CHOOSING that llifestyle is still a sin against the flesh. That simple.
Very thoughtful article... and the final summary is "Truthfully, I now have a bit of a bitter taste in my mouth and sadly, my once perfect half-and half tea just doesn’t taste as sweet." ? What a *rough* life. In some countries if you are gay you get killed. In America if you're gay, sometimes your food doesn't taste as good as it used to.
Honey, homosexuals are killed in this country, too! Have you been living under a rock??
Gays with their drama and emotions on their sleeves....it's really getting tiresome. You didn't want us in your bedroom, now you can't write an article without mentioning what you do in the bedroom. Get over yourselves already.
Elliott,
Get over the phony superiority.
When gays get equal rights like blacks and women did, the controversy will go away.
Gays are more equal than black people, people are mean to gay individuals, black people get disproportionally harsher sentences, more police brutality, and are forced to take refuge in black communities to get away from racial hostility. If you think black people are equal somehow, or more tolerated than gay people, you really are a fool.
billybill,
"If you think black people are equal somehow, or more tolerated than gay people, you really are a fool"
Speaking of being a fool, please list laws against blacks versus laws against gays
No one said blacks are treated completely equally to whites yet, but there are no blogs here with people saying that all blacks will go to hell. Do you see any Biblical commands to kill them? Get serious.
You are my new hero.
It sounds like you are referring to the Bible when you are talking about "gay people going to hell." If that's what you're quoting, then you're probably familiar with many other sins the Bible lists alongside homosexuality, which are also deserving of hell. There are plenty of other sins that the Bible speaks out against. That makes your argument (homosexuals are the most persecuted minority) false.
So then I guess only blacks and women can be gay or lesbians? Last I checked being gay crossed all ethnic groups across both sexes.
Why would you eat there ever again? Simply because there was an economic backlash and now they will tolerate you because you are Gay just to get your money back? Chick-fil-A would still give money to anti-Gay causes if they could and their followers would applaud it. Actions have consequences and I shall not eat there again for what they've done.
Exactly!!
I personally would love to find an eating establishment that every gay would boycott. Then I'd be certain I could take my family there without exposing my kids to them. So.. yes .. please.. boycott Chick-fil-a! I don't think a gay person should go within 100 yards of the place! According to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, "the fast-food giant took in $4.6 billion in sales in 2012 - up 14 percent from the previous year – and opened 96 new stores." The more gays stay away, the more regular, normal families will continue to support them. Keep the boycott up!!
If their money goes to anti-gay groups, then I'm supporting all day everyday. :) Where do I sign up?
Chic-fil-a has the freedom to donate to whatever groups they want. And I have the freedom to not eat there because I disagree with them. And... their chicken sandwiches suck. I don't know what the author is talking about... their food really is lousy.
Agreed! I can't speak for the chicken because I'm a vegetarian, but the waffle fries have absolutely no taste and are wicked greasy. I'm wondering why a chef would want to eat there! Yuck.
I WILL NEVER GO BACK TO CHICK FIL A AGAIN UNTIL THAT CEO GUY RESIGNS
Nobody cares where you eat or don't eat.
Oh, really? That's interesting because when the CEO found that gays were boycotting the place, he sure changed his tune! (Conveniently). SOMEone cares where this person eats or doesn't eat, b/c it is ALL about the Benjamins, baby.
This was entirely about freedom of speech and thought. If someone's anti gay comments disturb you to the point that you want freedoms limited, then you are not ready for true freedom. I want to see marriges for everyone, but I also want to sit back and enjoy that anyone in this country has the right to speak their mind.
There has never been free speech and there never will be...there have always been ramifications for making public statements. Martin Luther King paid with his life. BTW, sounds like you support Westboro's right to picket funerals...and the right to yell fire in a crowded theatre. Maybe that's because your son and his purple heart are lying in the grave and it isn't your child trampled in the threatre.
First of all, hate speech is not covered by the Constitution.
Second of all, people have the RIGHT to vote with their wallets.
No-one, absolutely no-one, said that the jass CEO couldn't be a bigot...they just said they will not give him any more money!
Do you even know where that money was going? To help fund a bill in Uganda that would make killing gays legal!
I'm impressed with your writing skills and willingness to do a bit of that nasty digging called research to support your thoughts. You should continue writing on issues that have great impacts on humans (and life) rather than just write about food which to me is but one facet of out-of-control excessive & wasteful & destructive American consumption.
You can spend your money where you like, but as long as Mr.Cathy runs Chick-fil-A, any money spent there supports homophobia.
Where do we draw the line? What if a Chick-fil-A employee donated to an anti-gay group? Should we not go to Chick-fil-A because some of our money goes to someone that's going to use it to fund an anti-gay group? Their support was publicly available for years before it became a hot topic. Did the fervor over Chick-fil-A's hate message inspire any of us to examine our other favorite eateries, bars, hot dog stands and food trucks to make sure they don't contribute to anti-gay groups, or do we relish in our blissful ignorance and wait to get riled up until it hits the front page of the news outlets? If you want to make a difference, donate a dollar to a pro-gay rights group each time you eat a chick fil a sandwich. That will more than offset the 0.0000001 cents that end up in a hate group's pocket because of your sandwich.
Its a principle. If you do business with the devil knowingly, then you support the devil. Living without principles may impact nothing since most people are a drop in an ocean of humanity...but cumulative expression of principle is powerful.
Dear Christian Lesbian
There's one group out there that doesn't irrationally hate, bigot or discriminate against you.
We're Athiests. We believe in things called logic and facts.
Try us out for size. We welcome you away from those that despise you for no reason.
God didn't make a mistake with you because god doesn't exist. And your sxual orientation is your own business, nobody else's.
When an athiest gives to a charity or performs a good deed, they do it out of kindless. When a religious person does the same, they may be doing it out of fear of a lake of fire in the afterlife. Therefore Athiests are morally superior to religious folk, because we do good as a choice. Not out of fear.
<3 all you relgious people out there who hate others on this earth.
To think that Athiest don't discriminate is silly. All people discriminate in one form or another. Secondly, I am sure the fact that charitable donations are a tax write off have nothing to do with your giving habits.
Get off your morally superior high horse. Not all Christians hate Gays, and not all Athiest are good people
Atheists are every bit as prone to bigotry and irrational thought. Look at you, you just tried to convert someone from their faith going as far as calling them morally inferior. Claiming that atheists are "morally superior" means that anyone else is inferior. Being an atheist doesn't mean that that you are intellectually, morally, or in any other regard superior to anyone. To think otherwise is BIGOTRY. I'm an atheist myself, but I'm getting really tired of other atheists making these arrogant statements on public forums. Your atheism is no more valid than her Christianity. You aren't smarter than her, you aren't a better person, and you certainly aren't qualified to be speaking on all of our behalf. From a fellow atheist, please just leave others to their own beliefs.
*sigh* Your wrong on all of your points. :P But honestly, I really don't want to argue in front of a computer screen...it'd be pointless, and cowardly for both sides. One more thing though and I'll totally leave you alone, next time tell it to their face and not a computer screen! :P :/
Speaking of hate, bigotry, and discrimination: look in the mirror you hypocrite.
LIke everyone else giving to charity, it is about making yourself feel better about yourself or making you feel superior to those who do not give to charity because obviously if you giving to charity is good not doing it is bad making you better than those that do not give. There is no true altruism, it is all internal motivation for self, for the religious or the athiest, tell yousefl whatever you want but eveyone does it to feel better about themselves.
First, if this author is a chef, they should be able to make their own chicken sandwich and perfect tea and do it much better than any fast-food franchise. I've had Chick-fil-eh a couple of times before I knew about their ultra-conservative views and believe me, *I* can make better in my own home and I'm no chef. And really, how hard is it to add LESS sugar to your tea to make it just the right sweetness? There is absolutely NO reason to go to this abomination of a fast food restaurant. I'm all for speaking with my wallet and believe me, fewer and fewer restaurants are getting my business these days because of their conservative views. Probably a very good thing for my wallet; not so good for theirs as I tend to be very outspoken and have converted quite a few to boycott Chick-fil-eh, Cracker Barrel, Domino's, Papa Johns, and Applebees, just to name a few.
Never.
He's gay and he wants to eat at the place that wants to hang him? Let him.
He's gay and he wants to eat at the place that want to hang him? Let him.
Its not funny that gay men live 10 years less than other men (not even factoring in aids). They need help,and such help is available thnakfully.
The lifespan of gays is shortened by AIDS for some. Since this results from promiscuity and marriage reduces that probability, gay marriage will help.
Ye gods, you're ignorant.
What? "Conversion therapy" or "Jesus"? Or both?
People are BORN gay and there's nothing wrong with that. if you think it's a choice, when did you decide to be straight?
There is no such thing as kosher pork. A person who practice homosexuality is not a christian from a biblical definition.
Give an animal a brain full of creativity and superior intelligence and it will eventually find a way to destroy itself in the name of "rights". Why do we need marriage at all? What right does the government have to tell me how many, what gender, what age, what anything? Just let me have my rights...to destroy myself and all of civilization along with me.
Freedom of Speech goes both ways so it belongs to both sides. When anti-gay rights organizations boycott and protest JC Penny’s, Ellen Degeneres, DC Comics, Electronic Arts, Starbuck’s, the Lifetime Networks, Toys R Us, etc., they are exercising their freedom of speech. But when gay rights activists boycott Chick-Fil-A, they are infringing on the company’s freedom of speech??? Does that mean that anti-gay rights organizations only have freedom of speech, but gay rights don't????
If one were to only buy from companies with fairness/integrity, one's choices would be extremely limited. Being anti-gay is very minor in the grand scheme of things when looking at corporate misconducts. Some oil companies take lands from indigenous tribes in South America and ravage the land, and cause severe misery to those people. Other corporations corrupt governments and make them go to war in order to increase their profits. They cause many deaths. Others enslave people with debt in a predatory way. These companies are ones that you may be doing business with everyday without realizing their dark side. My point is that the author is probably buying stuff from companies that do much worse. Being anti-gay is a petty offense compared to corporations that cause misery, death, and destroy our planet. I think that writing about that would be more worthy.
Sure they will serve GAY – they merely do not ENDORSE GAY as normal. They will tolerate you and they will not discriminate against you but unlike the president they will not endorse your choice as moral. That is their right under the first amendment. They can say that they think gay is immoral. The bible agrees with them.
Frank,
The Bible considers slavery to be moral. It considers discrimination against women to be moral. It considers discrimination against the handicapped to be moral.
What was your point about the Bible and morality?
Darwinians like yourself should have no problem with racism, slavery etc. We're all just evolving, some more than others...and only the strong survive. So if some oppress others, then this is the natural order of things, right?
oops.
Wow. You really know absolutely nothing about Evolution.
Elliott Carlin,
Your first assumption that I am a Darwinian was false and your logic escalated downhill from there.
Ooops.
The bible is a mythological book written for idiots.
fugg you,mikie.
Do you eat shellfish?
Do you wear garments made of two different kinds of cloth?
etc etc etc
Eat anywhere you want. Now, I ask that you take a trip to Saudi Arabia and protest their customs. See how far it gets you.
CNeder,
Yes. Saudi Arabia follows many of the same practices commanded by God in the Bible.,
If the government cannot tell you whom to marry, can they tell you how many you can marry? Do polygamists have rights too? If I am a wealthy man and I want to marry three women (consenting adults), can I do it? What if I want to marry my dog?
Dogs cannot consent to marriage, for one thing.
For another, you're not my type.
Arf.
Wow. What a GREAT argument! And so original and logical, too!
That was sarcasm.
Because gay people? Are not dogs. They are fellow human beings who deserve love just as much as anyone else. If two consenting adults want to spend the rest of their lives together legally, what's it to you? Please tell me know this affects YOUR life in any way, shape, or form!
Gabe- as long as its a female dog, I'm sure your bunch is OK with it
No. You cannot. Stick with licking your "santorum" off of whatever sicko and stay away from decent people.
People pull your heads out of your ass...again! This isn't about freedom of speech. It was about millions of dollars being devoted to divisive and anti-gay groups. Perhaps the tides have shifted; however, I'm with Willis. I proceed with caution and haven't been back since June of 2012. My 30 year affair with CFA ended.
Bobby
Bobby,
You're brainwashed like the rest of the liberals in our country. I pity you :'( CFA's founder responded to a question honestly. He wasn't out burning rainbow flags or obnoxiously attacking pro-gay people by having sit-ins kissing his wife at gay establishments like you and your gay lovers have done. The fact that he disagrees with your stance doesn't mean he's a bigot like you. It means he has a moral standard that is different than your "relativism morality". You need to accept it.
Frankly, I think homosexuality is gross. Thinking of a man penetrating another man's anus with his penis is the most disgusting and vile image imaginable. Does that make me a bigot since it disagrees with your gross view? I'm sure you think so, but I have gay and lesbian friends who would disagree with you in a split second. I feel sorry for you that you think it's beautiful. I also feel sorry for you that you can't see past the brainwashing the liberals have given you. Poor you : ( Remember... poop on a stick isn't sexy. It's gross!
I'm not gay myself, but have no problem whatsoever with gays, lesbians, cross dressers, etc, etc. I also happened to take a class on religion in college to finish off my electives (thinking it was an easy A). It seemed pretty clear to me that being gay was an abomination. Again, that's not how I feel, but it was clear in several books that male on male or female on female was classified this way. That being said, how in the world was the writer of this article surprised or shocked in any way when Cathy made those remarks? Stop the presses!!! A Christian organization is against homosexuality! Come on.
I went to a gay bar with some friends once, and I'm not gay. Sure, eat where you want.
Please eat, you never had to stop.
God Bless
From a Christian who is a Mennonite
Romans 10:9-10
So it's ok for her to make someone who hates her wealthy, huh? That's super.
Do you even know where this man was donating his money? It was to fund a bill in Uganda that would make it legal to kill gay people?
God bless? Who is this god who would bless such a thing?
i disagree with the author's statement that Chick-fil-a appreciation day was intended to be anti-gay. To me it was about the support for free speech. While I am supportive of gay rights I strongly object to the nazi-like attempts to stifle free speech by some gay-rights groups. Such tactics don't help their cause; it just makes them look like jerks.
Exactly, she is wrong about this. It is all about free speech.
To the author: extremist views are not okay on either side of the issue, and I think you've missed that message from the people supporting Chick-fil-A on what was supposed to be a boycott day. I fully support your rights as my sister or my brother, I think it is not up to me to judge other people's deeds, I have plenty of my own sins. That being said, I thought that the outrage against the respectable head of CfA was uncalled for, everyone deserves to have their own views without feeling threatened or boycotted. You have unfortunately mis-characterized a lot of people through one "stroke of the pen," and that's a pity.
Never heard it spun that way, Dan. Very well put!
@kls817: When anti-gay rights organizations boycott and protest JC Penny’s, Ellen Degeneres, DC Comics, Electronic Arts, Starbuck’s, the Lifetime Networks, Toys R Us, etc., they are exercising their freedom of speech. But when gay rights activists boycott Chick-Fil-A, they are infringing on the company’s freedom of speech???
Who is Campus Pride? And who said they speak for the LGBTQ community? I boycotted CFA before these folks came along, and I'll continue to do so. And as for the writer's self-important French sensibilities, whatever. CFA's chicken is nastily sweet. The slaw is not made daily... if it is, it's made with old cabbage. And if she can't explain that she wants tea that isn't syrup, perhaps she could get unsweetened and make it perfect herself. Man. I could do better as a columnist.
I had eaten there twice in my life ... took me several months afterwards to figure out the odd taste in their chicken.
it was some sort of chemicals.
The owner of Chick-fil-A never said anything bad about gays. People need to listen. The owner was just agreeing with Jesus Christ who says in the Bible that a union is between a man and a woman.
Remember people, tolerance works both ways. Most of the hate I hear come from gays.
I don't think you're really understanding what you're reading.
Disagreement is NOT hate and disagreeing with you does NOT make someone gay.
Amazing how the prior bullied become even bigger BULLIES
YOU REALLY BELIEVE THE CRAP THAT YOU JUST SAID?
The question is, are you on the side of right, or on the side or wrong? Homosexuality is an abomination. It is a very, very evil thing. Those who practice homosexuality are very, very evil, whether they are a senator or an actor or a businessman or businesswoman. They are very, very evil. We will not stop saying that homosexuality is evil, because our dear God's holy word tells the truth and says that it is evil. We believe God rather than you blowhards. And, mark my word, you can blow as hard as you want, but you will never change the reality of right being right and wrong being wrong. If you believe homosexuality is ok, or if you are a homosexual, either way, you are a sicko. We are not sickos. We know what is right and what is wrong. We will not be sickos. We will stand for the Lord and the holy Bible. We stand on the side of righteousness and of the Lord Jesus Christ. You stand on the side of wickedness and of the devil.
The author of this OpEd is just as much a traitorous piece of trash as Shame Windmeyer. She should be ashamed of her support of Chick-Fil-A, based on her very own writing she clearly defines the real problem with the CFA day and Cathy's true homohatred. Appalling that a LGBT ANYONE chooses to *support* Bigot-Fil-A. So very sad.
Virginia – Aren't you operating out of fear? You typify this countries inability to work through difficult issues and move on. Sounds like Chick-fil-a thought about what organizations they wanted to support and did what you would consider "the right thing". But, your hurt is deeper, and its not chick-fil-a. Its everyone who ever didn't accept your values – and didn't respect you as a result. All the people that lined up outside chick-fil-a aren't these same people – but for some reason they all made you feel bad – they all supported the policies degraded you, hurt you. Humans are a little more complicated than that. Sounds like chick-fil-a is willing to meet you in the middle, but you will carry your hurt to the end. Really, you are OK and wanted in this world, surely even by some that lined up outside chick-fil-a. When your doleing out forgiveness on your personal Gooding Day, be generous with it, your life will surely be longer and happier as a result!
Ever since last August – when the owner made his comment about marriage – I have now become a devoute patron of Chick Fil A – best chicken , best fries, best cold slaw. And my position has NOTING TO DO WITH BEING GAY WHATSOEVER.., My position is totally and always about FREE SPEECH! The owner had every right to say what he said and if he had said the reversse – i would have defended him. This event – Appreciation Day had nothing to do with Gay Rights – If i boycotted all the companies that gave money to groups i didn't approve of – i might have to leave the country. I pay no attention to that silly stuff. I shop where i want and eat where i want.
When, exactly, could you NOT eat at Chick-Fil-A?
".. religious conservative groups that abhor my existence."
They don't abhor it, they're afraid of it. They are afraid that if they don't denounce it publicly they may be seen as accepting it thereby losing their sought after brownie points for God .. and that self serving scares them more than anything.
Sure you can eat there, just be sure to eat in the f@ggot section.
Meki,
Grow up. Ignorant bigot. Get an education.
Nice of them to have a "f@ggot section" .. I'm sure it's right next to the love thy neighbor section or the I believe in fairy tales ball pit & playground.
Oooooh...do they have a f@ggot section?! Sign me up! Probably filled with pretty people who take better care of themselves and don't smell like dried up sh!t...
thats where i saw you eating recently
Hey, I got 4 hits from the f@ggot supporters.
5, ya troll.
Chick-fil-A leaves a bad taste in everyone's mouth.
What a stupid question to ask. Writer is a whiny biatch.
"The truth is that Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day was not about freedom of speech. It was simply a thinly veiled protest against homosexuals, period." So, when I say I'm opposed to same sex marriage, the issue is not about my freedom to say so, but about my supposed homophobic intolerance?
Jesus does love you. It doesn't mean that gay marriage or being gay is right. It's morally wrong and is a sin according to the Bible. He loves you regardless, he loves everyone and wishes all to be saved – but that doesn't mean you automatically are. Will be prayin' for you.
The bible also says that I can't associate with women while they are on their period, slavery is okay, and that wearing clothing of different threads is prohibited. The bible is flawed and not the true word of God.
What you wrote proves to me you know nothing about the Bible. The things you mentioned are in the Old Testament, which consisted of civil, priestly and moral laws. The New Testament came to be because of Jesus Christ and the civil and priestly laws were removed but the moral laws were not.
The interpretation, RE-interpretation of the Bible is nothing more than religious evolution for the purpose of remaining a solvent business. Keep spinning it, you're doing a great job! Brownie points from God(s) for Yvette.
Hey, Yvette, ever read 1 Timothy 2:10? Shut up.
Dear Yvette, Hi sister. God bless you.
Yvette spoke the truth folks. If you want to be bitter and to continue following Satan, that is your choice. If you think religion is a racket, or a business, the that shows you are bitter and hard hearted. You believe lies from Satan. Satan is a liar and is the father of lies. We believe the truth, Yvette and I, and all people who know the truth. Anyone who would not believe there is a God is a fool. Therefore, if you do not believe there is a God, you are a fool. Lay off Yvette, she said nothing evil at all, but you are full of evil. God is real, and anyone who is honest will understand this; also, anyone who is honest and reads the Bible will realize it is the word of God and they will believe on Jesus and be saved. We will not listen to your useless words which come from hell and try to deceive. We know the truth. We know the Lord God.
According to the Bible, playing football is a sin since the ball is made of pigskin (to say nothing of it being played on SUNDAY). So is eating shellfish, pork, rabbits and birds of prey, but locusts are some goooood eatin'. It's also forbidden for men to shave their beards; anything a woman touches while on her period is "unclean and impure"; telling your female friend she doesn't look fat in that dress is an express route to hell, and finally, the list of "offenses" that warrant the Death Penalty include homosexuality, adultery, astrology, being a disrespectful child, being a drunken son, blasphemy, breaking the Sabbath, perjury, incest, bestiality and witchcraft.
Do the folks at Chick-fil-A kill the people they hear swearing in line?
Chic-fil-a is a great place to eat and welcomes everyone with great service. Shame liberals can't give tolerance in the same manner that they demand it from others. Those who trash the eatery have obviously never eaten there
I have eaten there... guess what, I don't like the food and after a couple tries... I have not been back. Who can mess up chicken?
Why are you criticizing the liberals? The people at fault here were the the gay hating owners of the restaurant. Not gay myself but the fact is that homosexuality is present in the animal and planet kingdom. Therefore it is natural and God created it since God created everything. Do you people really claim to know more than God? Such nerve! Such preemption!
Dumbest comment of the year....Animals have no morals ya idiot. A guys crank does NOT belong in another man's muffin, end of story. It's an abomination whether you choose to believe it or not. END OF STORY.....
Mr Johnson doesn't belong in a woman's mouth either .. but I'll bet you've never said no to that "sin" have you?
Do you think the Universe is perfect?...that something DOES exist does not mean that it SHOULD exist.In any sexually dimorphic species,homosexual attraction is a flaw,and for any reasoning species,homosexual activity is an error.I am neither religious nor conservative politically,but the entire pseudo-intellectual edifice on which the claim of a right to escape censure for engaging in homosexual activity is based is offensive nonsense.
and i bet you consider it a gourmet establishment homer golleee
he can eat where he wants, it's a free country. i do find it strange to financially support a company that actively tries to interfere in your personal liberties and civil rights, but he can choose to do that if he wants. kind of like a black person frequenting a place that says blacks shouldn't be able to vote - you can do it, but it does give money to company that is trying to keep you from voting.
no one is stopping this guy from eating at chick filet. he's worried about the hammering he'll take from other g.ays and people in support of g.ay rights. and they have every right to tell give their opinions of him supporting an organization that hates him. he should stop crying and go eat at chick filet. obviously, his love for their chicken sandwiches trumps not supporting a hate group. but he shouldn't cry when he gets railed either...
You might want to read the story again. A woman wrote it!
The headline said "I'm Gay – Can I Eat At Chick-Fil-A Now?" You're welcome to eat at any restaurant you want to eat at, but why would you need to expose your sexuality? Who gives a damn if you're gay? Only you do – and you're SO INTENT on forcing everyone around you to accept the fact that it's just wonderful that you're gay, that you JUST HAVE TO MENTION IT? Why? Why can't you just shut-the-hell-up about your sexuality – like normal people do? I've eaten in restaurants all my life and I can't once remember stopping someone and making sure they know that I'm heterosexual. JUST SHUT UP ABOUT IT!
EXACLTY!!! I've never walked into any restaurant or store and said that i was straight. Who on earth cares!?! Only knob gobblin' dudes and tongue flicking lezzie's care!! As for what org's they financially support, how about those that financially support the gay community? Double standard once again of course! Get lost freaks and go back to the closet you came out of.
love your statements. I agree with you 1000%
Because, you muppet, the majority of people ARE heterosexual, so they don't NEED to tell people that fact. If God made someone gay, the only way most people are made aware of that fact is if that person uses their words and tells you.
It will be too late for all of you once you realize that homosexuality is a sin and that you lived your lives in spiritual darkness. Then you will be in hell. Now is the day of repentance. Today is the day of salvation. Those people you ridicule as narrow minded will be in heaven, and you will be in hell. Is that what you want? If you hate the fact that they say homosexuality is wrong in this world, how much more will you hate the fact that they are enjoying the glories of heaven while you are burning in the lake of fire. If you have a structured settlement and you need cash now. Oh, no, that wasn't what I was going to say. If you are not following Jesus Christ, repent, and turn to Him. It's not too late. Harvey Milk is not who you want to be with in eternity. Trust me. He would like a drop of milk now, but he won't ever get one.
Such pride and arrogant presumption. Be careful with your bold, hateful claims–you claim to speak as though you definitively know God's Will. You, like many others, might just be surprised who winds up where at the end of the day.
It's a free country and the Cathy's can run their business however they see fit. I applaud them by for adhereing to their Christian values, however I must live by mine. Since the whole issue became public, I haven't eaten there and don't plan on it. Perhaps that makes me a conscientious abstainer?
I have a hard time applauding anyone who lives by any values that discriminate against a group of people. We don't applaud islamic extremists for killing "infidels" and suppressing women and treating them as property. So, why do we applaud Christian extremists that tell gays they're going to burn in hell and try to prevent them from having the same rights as everyone else? I don't applaud him at all for his "Christian" values.
When "a group of people" define themselves by their desire to engage in an activity,the desire of others to discourage that activity is not denying them "the same rights as everyone else".We don't repeal laws against stealing as "discriminating" against kleptomaniacs,or laws against drunken behavior as "hate" for kleptomaniacs.Same-sex sex acts make no sense for anyone,and standards of conduct apply to everyone,not just those who wouldn't violate them in the first place.
Don't worry about going to hell. Religion is just a bunch of made up nonsense.
Yeah, I don't believe in air either, because I can't see it. Idiot air-believers!
Uhh, you can see air. You of course would have to understand basic aspects of science to be able to comprehend that, but yes, you can see air. A scientist can show me air. Heck, I can turn on hot water and see the steam in the air. I'm still waiting for someone to show me evidence of God, or of Hell, or of Heaven, or any of it. Except you can't, that's all faith. So we have to have evidence that air is real, but faith that God is real. You really have your concepts of reality backwards there, pal.
Jeff, you are wrong on that point. When you see the steam in the air you are not "seeing the air" – you do not see steam – you see water vapour – which is no longer, technically, steam. You cannot see air, but you can see it's effects if you look. Sometimes those effects are good but sometimes they are bad (gentle breezes vs tornadoes, e.g.) Likewise, you cannot see faith, but you can see its effects. Sometimes they are good. Sometimes they are bad. (Helping a poor person vs standing on a street corner and screaming "Repent" at people).
@ArchieDeBunker: Um, you can see air if you lower its temperature. Liquid oxygen, nitrogen, CO2, and all other components.
Not aware that any deity appears near Absolute Zero.
Jeff – the point being that there are things in this world that we cannot see, yet we know to be real. You say you see no evidence of God. I see evidence of God everywhere I look. Science studies God's work and pats itself on the back for figuring out some of the details of how He did it. But where did the breath of life come from? Can you take a batch of chemicals and make a living, breathing creature? Better yet – can you make the chemicals from nothing? Who made the chemicals – where did they come from? We can look at something as simple as a pencil and understand it came into being by intelligent design. Yet we look at a DNA strand and declare that it created itself – that its development could not have been guided by a force greater than us. I don't buy it. You are right about faith – it is required for believe in God. But also required to insist you know exactly what happened 4.5 billion years ago.
If people dont want to hear an honest answer.. they shouldnt ask any questions. The founder was asked how he feels about gay marriage.. he stated wht he believed. He didn't say he was anti gay or hated gay people. Why is it that a person is homo-phobic if they dont agree with gay marriage? Why are people bullied for their thoughts or beliefs... this whole world has gone NUTS . It is like asking a man if prefers blondes or brunettes and if he said blondes.. all the brunettes inthe world called him names and said he was anti-brunette! what a jerk! its just a matter of peoples preferences..
I agree with you Lexi. Gays want to spin this into some hatred thing against gays and its not. The owner said nothing about hating gays, he does not discriminate nor does he talk ill of them. The owner simply agreed with Jesus Christ. That was it. The intolerance from gays towards this owner is awful. The media is also to blame.
Your analogy is a little off. It's more like if a guy said he doesn't believe brunettes should be allowed to marry. Then he would be called anti-brunette. And rightly so.
Idea for Chick Fil A to make billions:
Offer Organic fried chicken sandwiches:
No Butter – or only organic butter
Fried in healthy oil – no tricks – no gimmicks
Organic Chicken – free roam, no hormones, anti-bodies, nor preservatives or additives, pesticides nor insecticides
Whole Wheat (or whatever healthiest) Non-Bromine – Iodine Based Bread – no preservatives, additives, pesticides or insecticides – pure cane sugar only
Organic pickles – tomatoes and lettuce (no preservatives, additives, bromine pesticides nor insecticides)
Get Pepsi to make an organic regular Pepsi with same honest high standards and market with this new product – they can make billions too
Don’t lie – do it right
You could truly increase and keep your customer base with this.
Definition:
"Organic" – guaranteed to spoil before you can use it.
Anything with carbon in it is Organic, by definition. Nearly all foods except salt and pepper are "Organic." The entire "Organic" thing is just a fad – guaranteed to cost a lot more than "normal" food.
for an organic fried chicken sandwich.
are you kidding me – millions would be interested
Pepper has carbon in it.
I think Chick-Fil-A is doing just fine. I don't remember them declaring bankruptcy or anything recently. ... Why don't you start your OWN food chain? It sounds disgusting, and I will never slow down if I see one on the interstate, but ... go for it. This is America, and you can start any business you like.
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In a word.... NO
I'm a southern vegetarian so I don't eat at Chic fil a, nor do I drink sweet tea...probably the only person in the south that doesn't. But, every restaurant and fast food business in the south offers both sweet and unsweet tea, so, anywhere you go you can make half and half....therefore, your problem is???
it is EXACTLY the stand they took that has my family going there more often than not. Only leftist causes may be supported and spoken for in this sick country of ours. I can name five institutions off the top of my head whom have shown support for Abortion Rights and if I don't like it, I don't support them, but I don't waste your time and mine legislating for their punishment and campaigning for a boycott of them. I just don't support them.
Of course, even if I was inclined to publicly call for that boycott of the AbortionRights Institutions (no position more in line with HATE than that one, no?), CNN would never provide a forum for that boycott, as they have here.
In the spirit of what I've written here, my family of six is headed to Chick-fil-A right now for lunch.
when you get death threats for stating you believe in only heteros having the right to marry, let us know. when you have someone shot through their kitchen window, let us know, when you have daily bomb threats (that have to be taken seriously because of these homocidal maniacs) let us know.
You can't be a christian and a lesbian at the same time, read the bible, for as it is written:
"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders" – 1 Cor 6:9. God meant it, period. I hate homosexual because it is a SIN! I don't hate the people in whole.
You're lying. I have checked your 'quote' and in every version of the Bible (King James, New International, English Standard), the texts specifically targeted men who have sex with men. In other words, lesbians, bi-sexuals and transexuals are a-ok in God's eyes, right? I don't know if you made up your own 'quote' intentionally or was just plain ignorant of what the Bible actually said but either way it makes you look rather foolish.
Oh and by the way, here is a reality check for fundamentalists like you. You are not God (assuming he/she exists). You are merely a member of the flawed species known as homo sapians. As such, you are neither qualified nor capable of passing judgement in this matter because you cannot possibly comprehend the entire scope (scientific or otherwise) behind the words and thoughts of a supposedly omnipresent being equipped with divine intellect. It would akin to an ant trying to understand the rationale and thought process behind the action/words of a human.
If you wish to put all of your faith into a superior being then you must accept all that comes along with it. You don't get to pick and choose and any attempt to do so will only cast you in an hypocritical and obtuse light.
"Chick-fil-A controversy leaves a bitter taste for some longtime fans." This comment opens up a whole different subject. If a restaurant takes a stand on an issue and gets boycotted over it, so be it. The corporation has to take that on in the shorts. If you dislike their position, don't eat there. It is a free country the last time I looked. Just stop making it a big deal.
It goes beyond the level of opinion. Chick-fil-a directly funds political campaigns. They spent millions fighting gay marriage and paid the FRC to help the Ugandan nation pass laws that put homosexuals to death, laws that led to a mass hysteria, withchunt, and public mob executions. Chick-fil-a endorses murder and actively tries to squash civil and employment rights for same-sex couples.
I love chick fil a. I miss them SO much since moving to the west coast. Apparently they won't come out here because we are all "heathens and homes".
"heathens and homos". spell checker got me.
There is one in San Jose, CA.
long drive from Portland
Sure why should you do without the chicken just because the guy would restrict your very human rights....? Why shouldn't you give your money to someone who would treat you like a second class citizen... chow down. .. you obviously have no self respect beyond that which allows you to have a delicious piece of chicken... chow down you spineless beech. .
Blah, Blah, Blah...................
I hear they're going to make a movie called "Harold and Kumar go to Chik Fil A"
The author is a hypocrite; she’s applying a double standard by claiming that all of the people who patronized Chick-fil-A on Chick-fil-A appreciation day were NOT defending the company’s First Amendment rights, instead she stated in her editorial that she believes they were showing that they are “united against same sex marriage and gays in general.”
First of all, she’s entitled to her “opinion”, but by applying a broad brush over ALL of the patrons – without proof – is no less offensive and just as ignorant as a CFA supporter insinuating that ALL gays are morally corrupt and deplorable.
There’s no doubt that “some” of those CFA supporters are indeed homophobic and I’m sure that some wish gays would just die off, but she’s being completely dishonest if she refuses to admit the fact that others are welcome to their personal opinion just as she is welcome to hers. In other words, does she truly believe that all people who patronize CFA are against gays? Does she truly believe that in order for people to “accept” gays that they must boycott Chick-fil-A?
There are heterosexuals who loathe the gay lifestyle just as there are heterosexuals who accept them as they are. And there are religious people who believe that homosexuality is a sin and those who have no opinion one way or another. Case in point – look at all the opinions posted on this article.
As for me, I can’t honestly say that gay marriage is the same as “traditional” marriage, but I strongly support everyone’s right to free speech – gay or straight – that includes Chick-fil-A.
It's imply... IMPLY.
I stand by my use of the word "apply" (actually, I used applying) as I clearly explained.
B.S. There was no infringement upon the right to free speech taking place. The CEO of Chick-fil-A offered an opinion, gay rights group responded by calling for a boycott. At no point was the CEO's free speech denied. Freedom of expression doesn't imply freedom from consequence in any form, so protests and boycotts were a legitimate reaction. So people turning out for Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day weren't there to "support free speech." It takes a disingenuousness bordering on willful ignorance to believe they were simply there to support the poor ol' CEO's basic rights to say what he wants. The writer showed no hypocrisy, only basic common sense, in asserting that the preponderance of the support was a function of reactionary homophobia. To any rational observer, the fact that you personally don't approve of gay marriage has badly colored your reaction whether you admit it or not. Such is the price for proffering your "PtoVu," Bill - you're allowing yourself to be open to being called on its inanity.
Spare me your B.S, Sweety. So, since you obviously agree with the author’s OPINION, you both are “assuming” that each and every person who patronized CFA that day were either anti-gay or homophobic? And you call me disingenuous and ignorant? “To any rational observer…..” Oh really? It’s inarguably irrational to jump to any conclusion without facts, but as I stated initially, you are entitled to your opinion (as long as you don’t paint with a broad brush, as the author did). And my stance on gay marriage does not adversely affect my ability to apply common sense, no matter how much you disagree. One could easily analyze your post and “jump to the conclusion” that you lack objectivity and apparently believe that only those people who think and believe as you do (on this topic) are rational and of sound mind. I suggest you rethink that “rational observer” claim, Sweetea.
Since you (apparently in all seriousness, which boggles the rational mind) think this is a free speech issue, the only cogent response is "b.s." You're proposing, I take it, that a bunch of people woke up, read the news and went, "This person, whose opinions mean nothing to me, has been denied his right to free speech. I must fight back"? If you honestly believe these exact same people would have made a point of counterprotesting if the same CEO had come out in favor of, say, banning Christians from marrying, you really need to re-evaluate the deductive process you use to arrive at conclusions. This was never a free speech issue simply because the topic in question was never free speech, and I would suggest you take a sincere look at the counterexample and tell me you still believe these people would have come out in support of this ostensible "free speech" had it been something contrary to their beliefs rather than congruent to it.
@sweetenedtea. Actually, you failed to remember or didn't realize that actually the appreciation day was in support of the company's owner's first amendments rights. You see the appreciation day was in response to some mayors forbidding ChickfilA from opening up any restaurants in their cities. I believe CHicago was one of the cities. Anyways, google it,... if you want the details.
The organizers can *make* whatever claim they want. That doesn't prevent the rest of us from using basic common sense. As I said, free speech was not being infringed on in any fashion. Nobody forced the CEO to stop talking or prevented him from expressing his opinions any more than he prevented anyone from calling for a boycott. As for the ostensible actions by mayors, if such is the case, it's utterly irrelevant. Again, freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequence. If a town or its representatives want to prevent a business from opening in city limits, it's entirely their right (subject, of course, to the approval of their constituents.) This isn't an infringement on free speech issues either, for exactly the same reasons as noted above. It's merely a consequence of the speech, not a silencing of it. The CEO made his opinion known. People who found the opinion odious made their opinion known and used economic methods to emphasize it. Too many people fail to grasp this point. Cries of oppression in this case aren't merely illogical, they're actually ridiculous.
Look at it like this - if the same CEO had come out in favor of gay marriages and some mayor had decided he didn't want a business led by such an "immoral" (by his lights) executive in town, he is equally free to say so and equally free to try to convince the voters to agree. Does that help clarify the situation?
I love the title "Campus Pride has suspended their protest of Chick Fil A". The chain is experiencing record sales. did anyone even notice they are protesting? Calling it off is the only press they are even going to get.
Wow, always the victim huh? It is the LGBT community who started this, not Mike Huckabee. All Chick Fil A said was they support traditional marriage between a man and a woman. Despite what the LGBT community seems to thing, you do OT have a constitutional right to get married. So because someone has the audacity to think differently than you, your community called for a boycott. Problem was the vast majority of people agreed with Chick Fil A and turned out to support them from LGBT bullying.
You must get your info from Faux News. You are 100% incorrect. The vast majority of American support gay marriage in poll after poll and that majority is only growing. Your argument that religious institutions should be deciding who can get married when marriage is a civil commitment shows your ignorance. It is that state that decides. In the USA we have separation of church and state, thank god. You use the same hateful argument that racists used in the 1960's to try to prevent blacks from marrying whites. Do you believe that is ok? Is that traditional marriage? The church was against it. The only majorities that currently opposes gay marriage are either very old people or ignorant religious folks (the Earth is 6000 years old and dinosaurs co-existed with humans!). And those 2 small minorities together still don't make a majority. So keep watching Faux News and continue to know less than other folks.
no one has a constitutional right to get married, unless you count that pesky pursuit of happiness thing
* declaration of independence, not exactly the Constitution but still pretty important
If, as you argue, one does NOT have a constitutional right to get married, and the argument is about constitutional rights and not about equality, why not tell heterosexual couples they can't get married? It's NOT a constitutional right for heterosexual couples to get married, so why aren't they just happy having civil unions?
The problem was not that Chick Fil A is against marriage equality. The problem was that it was uncovered that they were donating millions of dollars through the corporation to fund anti gay initiatives
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Okay, what are you talking about? The insitution of marriage (the practice of bonding one person to another) predate any religion or political ideology. It is a fundamental human right and the U.N. declaration even devoted a section to it. Your religious or personal beliefs has no relevance or standing when it comes to determining who can get married and who can't. Christianity (or any other religion) can not claim ownership to the concept of marriage nor is it required to be part of the ceremony . When me and my fiancee have our ceremony, while certain cultural and eastern religious motifs may be included, rest assured that Christian symbols/texts and 'God' will not make an appearance. She wouldn't have it any other way either. Just go ahead and try to convince us that our marriage is somehow less sacrosanct or valid than your 'traditional' marriages as defined by hardline/fundamentalist Christian right.
If gay people wants to take that next step, they should be able to do just that without interference from those overzealous fanatics who are *barely* a step above the Islamist fundamentalists or Taliban. Don't like it? Tough.
"wasn’t as aggressively homophobic" but is still homophobic and still funds Hate Groups (though less hateful Hate Groups). Shane Windmeyer is being played and used as a tool by Cathy and other Christianists. Dan Cathy is of course entitled to his opinions and entitled to express those opinions – including expression by funding Hate Groups. But I will not allow that Christianist hate monger to use MY money to fund those hate groups and I will continue others to withhold their money as well. I'll continue to eat elsewhere.
"You HATE me!" is the same response my kids give when they don't get what they want. The adult equivalent is people calling organizations "HATE" groups who have a difference of opinion than them. We don't all have to agree that homosexuality is sin or that it is perfectly fine, but stop acting like a child and saying everybody who doesn't agree with you "HATES" you. It's ludicrous and immature.
Rick: Get a clue. These groups don't disagree with me. The groups Cathy supports actively promote persecution, discrimination and hate towards LGBT persons. They are listed as Hate Groups by SPLC. They exist for one reason – to repress and ultimately subjugate and eliminate the LGBT persons in this nation. They are Hate Groups.
Willy – Anybody who believes in the biblical definition of marriage is labeled a "hater" by the LGBT movement. That is plain truth. There is no nuance. You label anyone who disagrees with you as "haters," which devolves the whole conversation into a childish "you all hate me" rant. I'm not saying that strategy isn't working – it clearly is – I'm just saying it's immature and childish.
You are sadly clueless, Rick. Not surprising since the Hate Groups you are defending probably represent your mental status. Cheers, hate monger...
It would be nice to be able to edit... I really don't care how some Christianist or how you define marriage. That's your business. But when it comes to the law, I take issue. You can marry the person you love and in turn get ~2000 rights benefits and privileges associated with that marriage. The Groups in question that Cathy and other Christofascists fund are actively working to prevent me from marrying the person *I* love and deny me the rights you and other Breeders are granted. So, Ricky, don't try and paint this as just me or others being upset that a group disagrees with me. This is about the LAW and about RIGHTS.
Don't care. Homophobia must be why their food tastes so good.
"The menu offerings are the polar opposite of local and seasonal. There are dire implications concerning worker’s rights and wages, as well as animal welfare and factory farms."
Clearly you've never been to the Pacific Northwest's Burgerville: Local, seasonal food, excellent preparation, a commitment to sustainability, and happy employees. They are a model for what fast food SHOULD be.
You actually answered your own question about what the REAL problem is.........................
You said three times "I REFUSE TO BELIEVE" and one time, "I ABSOLUTELY REFUSE TO BELIEVE.
My question is this,..........Were you born that way to refuse, or did you just make another bad choice?
bryan,
She said "I refuse to believe God made a mistake".
Apparently, you disagree and believe that God isn't perfect. That's your BELIEF.
We arrive in rusty 1964 motorhomes.
We bring our bibles and loaded assault weapons.
We wear ridiculous clothing and have teabags dangling from our earlobes.
We carry misspelled racist signs as we stomp all over the White house lawn.
We eat Chick-fil-A and wash it down with Everclear.
We are Sarah Palin's real Americans.
We love the baby jesus but we love to boink our cousins even more.
We believe that the earth is only 6,000 years old and that early man walked with the dinosaurs.
We believe that nascar is a real sport and that Dale Earnhardt was a great American athlete.
We are the birthers. We are tea party patriots.
We are bigots and inbreds. We are morons and we are proud.
I have chosen to boycott CFA for many years due to their use of the term "Dwarf House"and the display of a miniature structure at some of the restaurants. Dwarfism is recognized as a growth hormone related condition. Dwarfs are allowed to compete in Paralympic competition, most notably they specialize in Equestrian events. CFA's denigration of this segment of population is inappropiate. It would be nice to see more attention given to this slight perpetuated by CFA. Shame on the Cathy family.
You sure do have it all figured out. You must have a huge brain! Now, if you could just figure out which hole to stick it in....
The world around you is easy to understand. It's the world inside your head that's tough. (sarcasm)
No, seriously. I went to Chik-fil-A that day and I support gay marriage. I also support freedom of speech and find the vitriolic left vile with their hypocritical castigation of anyone who disagrees with them. They're so "tolerant"....unless you share a different opinion. Hence, I went and ate a big fat chicken sandwich for all those tired of being labeled for speaking up. As an example, just see how the author characterized that day: an anti-gay conservative lynch mob. Whatever. 1st amendment. Read it.
This issue has NOTHING to do with the 1st Amendment, because there is NO govenmental intervention...You may read it...But do you understand it?
I've always wondered, if you believe in Darwin's thoughts on natural selection and that 'being homosexual is not a choice', i.e you are born gay. Then eventually the genetic material that makes on gay will cease to exist. Seeing as a gay man or woman cannot naturally pass on their genetic code, eventually the code will die.
Then, the Fundies should want every gay person to come out of the closet, securing no further genetic generations. However, since sexuality is a continuum, i doubt that the genes will disappear. Also, as overpopulation occurs, the gene may re-appear as a way to continued survival.....
Plenty of gays and lesbians reproduce.
Virginia must be really groping (no pun intended) for an article to write if all she can come up with is she not going to buy a chicken sandwich ..... please !!! Jump into the depths of saran wrap !!!
If you can afford to eat Chik Filet, you can help yourself (unless, of course, hizzoner mayor Bloomberg is lurking around). Your being a customer should change no one's opinion about your aberrant behavior. That homosexuality occurs at a certain percentage in the population means what? So do many other types of genetic abnormalities. This is the only one people celebrate; for the rest, they try to find a cure.
And I firmly believe we should find a cure for ignorance O-dumb.
"wasn’t as aggressively homophobic" but is still homophobic and still funds Hate Groups (though less hateful Hate Groups). Shane Windmeyer is being played and used as a tool by Cathy and other Christofascists. Dan Cathy is of course entitled to his opinions and entitled to express those opinions – including expression by funding Hate Groups. But I will not allow that Christofascist hate monger use MY money to fund those hate groups and I will continue others to withhold their money as well. I'll continue to eat elsewhere.
You hit the nail on the head. The boycott was never about punishing someone for having an opinion and speaking their mind. I strongly believe in freedom of speech. It was simply about not wanting MY money to go towards a cause with which I very firmly do not support. In this way, I exercised my freedom of speech.
No one cares whether you go to CFA or not. They already have, by far, the highest Unit Sales of any QSR restaurant in America.
QSR 50 Rank [19] Company/Chain Name [20] 2011 U.S. Systemwide Sales (millions) [21] 2011 U.S. Average Sales per Unit (thousands) [22] Number of Total Units in 2011 [23] Total Change in Units from 2010 [24]
10 Chick-fil-A $4,051.0 $2,893.5 1,606 69
1 McDonald’s $34,172.0 $2,500.0 14,098 71
13 Panera Bread $3,400.0 $2,304.3 1,541 88
41 Krispy Kreme* $531.7 $2,290.0 234 5
39 Jason’s Deli $534.1 $2,200.0 233 12
17 Chipotle Mexican Grill2 $2,270.0 $2,013.0 1,225 150
44 In-N-Out Burger* $498.5 $1,925.0 266 14
24 Whataburger $1,311.2 $1,801.0 728 11
32 Culver’s $747.1 $1,712.9 444 20
30 Steak ‘n Shake* $823.9 $1,650.0 491 4
Eat where you want to eat and quit whining about it!! I have decided to quit supporting Hollywood and their violent, anti female agenda. So sick of strip pole dancers! portrayed in every movie. Will you join me???
Yes, by all means I will support you...but can we still have the strip pole dancers in all the movies?
So you're gay and worried about eating at Chick-fil-A? Really? That's your concern? What a fool.
"I really hope gays permanently boycott chick-fill-a and maybe even waffle house and Ihop"
Chik fil a, Waffle House and Ihop.
The trifecta of stupid redneck quisine.
Hopefully those pesky gays will boycott NASCAR, Marlboro, and Busch Lite too.
"Stupid redneck quisine". You're dumber than the dumbest redneck, who doesn't know how to spell. The only real "quisine" you've ever had was the brown spot around a dude's anus. Go crawl in your gay hole.
As opposed to gay cusine of raw hotdogs, breaded clams, and hersey bars? LOL
A place to enjoy a meal and gay free. Great idea.
I hope one day, your life depends on the kindness of a "gay" nurse or physician... perhaps you could enjoy an emergency "gay free". Jerk.
So professional!
Ladies and Gents,
I was at a Chick fil A Thursday night. It was packed and I could not even find a seat at 7:30. Honestly good food, great company and great employess. The bible is clear about what is sin and what is not. There is at times vagueness that we mere humans cannot comprehend. There is much truth, love, hate, violence and sin listed in both the old and new testament. Yes, we will all be judged when God returns to this earth to judge the living and the dead. I guess we will learn at the point if we are right or wrong based on our needs, thoughts and desires. We can blog and whine all we want, but that is the truth.
Kathy: How do you type with a straight-jacket on? There are no gods. Including the one you happen to believe in. On the planet inhabited by the rest of us virgins don't have babies and dead people remain dead. Why don't you join us in the 21st century already?
Kathy looks forward,with glee,to the time of his/her return.She delights in the fact that her and her like-minded friends will sit in it's company and enjoy the torture of billions.Now,if you don't see something sick and perverted about that...go with your god and..Have a nice day !.
LOL....you better prey you are right.
Why do atheists find it necessary to knock every single persons religions belief?
Are you trying to convince yourself?
Even if you ARE an atheist (whom I don't believe in) you spend an awful lot of time putting down others' beliefs while you supposedly need no god to be moral good people. It doesn't seem to me that you are setting a good example or being a very likable face for atheists. Try being tolerant.
Gustav: Deeply religious people are the most intolerant and selfish people I know. They're all for religious freedom as long as its the religion or god they happen to believe in and not somebody else's. I've never had an atheist come to my door to cold-call their beliefs on me. Go ahead and eat your hateful chicken. I hope you choke on it.
Congrats on the Chick-fil-A thing, Kathy. You sure showed us.
Too bad you just lost the heterosexual purity of the Boy Scouts of America.
Add to that the reelection of the first sitting pro-marriage equality president, four gay marriage victories in the November election, a plummeting membership in your churches, and more and more evangelical youth supporting gay rights all the time...
The past year really hasn't been much of a victory for fundamentalist Christians, has it?
That will be the title of my new book: Finding God in a chicken sandwich. What a pickle.
Virginia must be really groping (no pun intended) for an article to write if all she can come up with is she not going to buy a chicken sandwich ..... please !!!!
NO! Because your money then will be used to harm yourself! Its like being a gay republican or a black KKK member!
This cracks me up. You were always welcome to come and dine. Doesn't change the fact that the founder find homosexuality wrong. That is his right. Should heterosexuals boycott gay owned business because you give to organization that "aggressively promote homosexuality"? How stupid would that be? Give it a rest minority....
paul
i am in that "minority" of which you refer to. I also agree 100%. if you spend money there you are buying the product you want to consume. I personally like the milkshakes. If I owned a business and provided a portion of my income to marriage equality it should play now part on whether you liked and enjoyed my product , prices and customer service.
i know that discrimination in many forms goes much deeper than the simplicity of the above statement, but for now if i want a CFA milkshake i will get me one.
The bible is just a book . Chick-fil-A is just another cheap fast food restaurant . who cares let them choke there chicken and thump there bible .
Nope. Never eating there again. And I'm straight.
Who really cares, its one freaking old guy with an opinion, should never have been news. Bunch of freaking whiney babies.
Chik-Fil-A is just the southern version of White Castle. You remember it from your childhood and still eat it with enthusiasm, but trust me, if you tasted it for the first time as an adult you'd say "just another fried chicken sandwich". Nothing special about it, except for the memories.
Actually, Krystal is White Castle of the south.
Bob, you may be unable to taste the difference between fresh made and frozen, but my family can. Although we've boycotted Chick-Fil-A since they came out on the side of hate groups and we've missed them, we support LGBT because we have gay family members. Being gay is no more a choice than being heterosexual is a choice. That's how they (and we) are born. It's related to birth order.
It's their right to give to any group they want to, and mine to never eat there again in protest of their intolerance of gay people's civil rights. As with all politicians who take the stand that they're taking, they'll never get my support. Gay people have suffered the intolerance of society and businesses like this long enough–and so many wonder why they take to the streets, internet, etc., in support of their rights. If all these naysayers rights were being withheld, they'd be humming a different tune...so many people never, ever think of how it would feel in an oppressed groups shoes. They're all to busy clutching their bibles and declaring themselves God. Appalling!!
Should I stop using Google Search because they support gay marriage?
You can if you want to.
If you are that small-minded and intolerant, go right ahead and give up Google. Those of us who are open minded and Liberal will laugh and point as you stumble along with poor tools on the internet. Enjoy.
Yes, in fact: Please avoid all of these locations too. As I boycott those companies who oppose gender equality on behalf of the many LGBT friends I have & because I feel it's the right thing to do, you should boycott those companies who support equality, that way you don't run the risk of catching the gay... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_supporters_of_same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_States#Organizations
Stop listening to the world. If you are a Christian, then that means you love GOD. And if you love GOD, you will follow His commandants (as per the Lord Jesus Christ) which includes not engaging in homosexuality. You have to decide whether you will follow Christ or not which means putting HIS will before your own and your will is to practice homosexuality. He does love you, but He does not tolerate blatant sin. If you do not feel guilt about your sin, I doubt that you are saved. Get into the WORD, you don't want to fall for the lies of the world, for you shall regret it in the end. Please study I Cor. 6-9. GOD bless you and I pray that the Lord will open your heart, take the scales from your eyes, and plugs for your ears. Time is short. Please ask GOD to show you what the TRUTH is.
Jesus said not a single word against homosexuality. All He did say was to throw out the Old Testament (the Torah) where the strictures of living including the laws against eating pork and wearing clothing of mixed fabric, using birth control and working on the Sabbath were written down in Leviticus. This includes the implied criticism against homosexuality.
Christianity comes from the New Testament. You should read it some time and learn about what Christians should do. Matthew 7:5 is what Jesus tells us to do about life. Those are His Words.
Jesus didn't say throw out the Old testament (The Torah) because if you actually read it Jesus says "I came not to do away with the law but to fulfill it". If you're going to make an argument against Christianity at least make a valid one that can't be shot down so easily.
Do you eat pork? Do you wear blended fabrics? Do you have contact with menstruating women? Those acts are all forbidden in Leviticus. If you're going to be a Christian then go all the way: fulfill all of God's laws in the Old Testament as well as the New Testament. Cherry-picking the Torah for hate crimes against a group of people is not what Jesus would do if He were here today.
Cameron, I'm a Christian.
Cameron, if you truly follow the literal interpretations of biblical texts, quite frankly you shouldn't even be alive right now to make thse incoherent rantings. How did that Genesis 38 passage go again? Something about a poor guy being terminated by God for wasting his seed? Go ahead, show me a man who can claim that he has never masterbated, 'pulled out', or woke up from a wet dream and I will show you a habitual liar.
The TRUTH is that if you follow the Bible you will be supporting slavery and will discriminate against women and the handicapped.
It's all pick and choose for hypocrites. Pick the Golden Rule next time.
Read the Bible sometime.
The Bible is amazingly clear.. being gay is antithetical to being a Christian and you'll probably burn in Hell over eternity for it.
I'm both an atheist and straight, so I'm not emotionally invested in either side. And it's clear to me that the only way a gay person can justify being Christian is via accepting they will burn in Hell or just a lot of cognitive dissonance.
No, Rob. Christians ignore Matthew 7:5 AT THEIR PERIL.
I have avoided Chick-Fil-A for many years as a result of their financial support of groups that encourage intolerance. It is great that they have changed their spending since all of the protests, but I don't plan on going back quite yet. I can wait a few years and see if they can keep moving in a more tolerant direction.
I love this moronic black and white litmus everyone is partaking in. If you cant handle an opinion on gay marriage that doesnt sync with yours, by all means shield yourself like a scared child. In fact lets put everything from cable news to comedy to ...chicken restraunts through a filter that we can only agree 100% on. Lets just see how all CEOs vote and feel on every issue so we can nonstop be some self important little "activist". Sad and stupid. You guys are as narrow and blind as the NRA where any gun law is against ALL guns. Except in this case its a fried chicken sandwich...
It's not just an issue of differing opinions. If Chick-fil-A had a history of just being a faith based group, great, I'd happily support it and its involvement locally. But the organizations those donations from Chick-fil-A went too actively support laws making homosexuality a crime in other countries. Exodus International has succeeded in this mission in many places, including Uganda. So again – differing opinions is one thing, but some of us don't want our money going to a company that then donates some of its money, funded by its customers, to an organization that has made being born a certain way punishable by jail time and death. That's called supporting a violation of human rights – NOT a difference in opinions.
Some things are worth being "narrow" about. Some things ARE black and white. Years ago, people argued against mixed marriages. People supported Jim Crow. Too many went along silently. Just sayin' . . . .
Years ago the Republican Party was getting dominated by the John Birch society founded by the Koch Bros father Sr Kotch. They were so destructive that William Buckley ( a big player in the party at the time) booted them from party association.
Today the nut bag John Bircher's are back in action only under the ospisos of the Tea Party. Ever notice just about everywhere there is a Bagger rally somewhere the John Birch Society is there.
Why was it until just a few years ago most people had never heard of the Kotch Bros....boy we sure know them now.
If you don't know anything about the dreaded John Birch Society I suggest you Google them. You then will find out why some causes are worth fighting against.
Litmus tests are red and blue, not black and white.
No. If you're gay you should not eat there.
So the other 97% of the population can still eat there.
It would be 90%...statistically speaking...just so you have the facts
10%? Think about it. Blacks are about 12.5% of the US population. If 10% of the US population was gay or lesbian, that would mean that in most places in American you would notice roughly the same number of gays and lesbians as blacks. Further, in many cities, gays and lesbians would make up a majority of the population since they have a tendency to migrate to certain areas like Portland, San Francisco, and Denver. Now does this make sense?
hee hee its funny that you think they have any use for facts
Have at it you can have my share. A leopard dose not change his spots that fast.
I don't trust them I can live w/o them.
(does)....sorry for the typo.
Basically, they are offended that someone disagrees with their stance. It isn't enough to tolerate same-sex "marriage" for them, oh no. Until we all love it as much as they do, they will continue to call any voice of dissent "bigotry". Not leaving any room for disagreement, now THAT'S intolerance.
If your gay seek help you need it!!!
Bigoted much? Why do gays need help? It's the BIGOTS who need the help. Frankly, I don't know why anyone – gay or straight – would want to patronize a bible-thumping place like Chick-fil-A. I never eat fast food, but if I had to eat it, this would be the last place I'd go.
I you think there is nothing wrong with being gay you must have some mental issues as well.
If your STUPID suck start a Double Barrel, you need it.
LOL....you should follow you own advise.
Gary, might I suggest remedial English...
If you're gay, get help. You need it.
My thoughts are that you should learn something before you post.
No need to correct its a simple statement and I think you get the point. But I am sorry to see your one of those.
Newsflash Gary, not everyone that supports gay issues is gay. Just like not everyone, like you, that posts is intelligent.
you're*
Hey tough guy-Is Marcus Bachman gay?he doesn't seem to think so..are you?
If you claim to be a Christian, read Matthew 7:5. YOU NEED IT! Jesus said so!
If your a breeder bigot YOU need help.
I don't agree that this is good food. I will not eat there again no matter what the owners say now. They realized that it hurts to be called names now and it's just a better business decision to stay away from controversy. They are losing money from not only the gay community but also people that agree with the gay community. I generally don't return for another slap in the face once that happens!
You can keep thinking they are losing money when in fact they are probably making more money now that gays arent eating there.
So in your previous post you've proven you don't understand grammar and now you show you don't understand basic finance. How does one like you get by in this world my friend?
Boy oh boy, the stupid are really out today. This fast food joint has made more money since this whole thing started. What kind on math do you use.
If "homosexuals" are so proud of who they are,why do they hide behind the word "gay"?
I personally don't care if you ever eat there again. I think its a better place without you. At least the restrooms are safer. I hope They feel the same way.
Their sales are better than ever. PC activists continue to be "reality challenged"
Correct you cannot eat there because they don't want people who try to force their gay opinions on others. If you want it your way because your greedy then go to Burger King.
The military's problem with self-inflicted deaths could probably benefit greatly by paying close heed to the bromine, fluoride, and chloride chemicals in their members' diets – and recommend and provide more foods and beverages that replenish the body's natural need for iodine – instead of the bromine, fluoride, and chloride that might currently be replacing iodine. This will help to relieve mental illnesses.
Have them exercise and sweat more as a built in reflex to suicidal thoughts – and train them to eat sea salt and sea foods rich in iodine – and not contaminated with other heavy metals and toxic chemicals.
Make this is a war against the poisoning of the USA population by the USA population – as we are ultimately in control of this. Do it NOW – for everyone.
Do NOT allow fluoride, bromide, or chloride intensive ingestion as is seen prevalent in USA civilians even though it is a detriment to the wellbeing of societies.
Thats alot of emotion for chicken sandwich.
True – but cfa does feed society – and the military. Diet drinks and bread and other products contain bromide and other chemicals – which are NOT good for anyone – and can cause mental illness – and emotional disturbances ...
Chick Fil A doesn't serve fish – but it does use salt and oils – which need to add iodine to diet – and STOP serving diet drinks to show they truly care about others.
They do close for Sundays – which is good for stress – so they do have ethics – so am sure they will be interested to note these thoughts and perhaps take positive actions in their support for a healthier America.
I had chik fil a for the first time about 6 months ago. It was horrible. Why would you want processed chicken on a bun? I seriously do not see what the love is for!
I don't know how you can put a raw hotdog without the bun in your mouth either. One thing we agree on, to each their own.
Who cares if you are gay! Just get a grip...less emotion is better for everyone. Thanks for being considerate.
I believe in God, I believe Jesus is the Son of God that was born of Mary and I believe the bible. God loved the world so much that he gave His only Son to die for us. Now with that being said "do I hate homosexuals?" My answer is "No". Jesus sat down with sinners every day, if he didn't how could he reach them. Now the bible is very clear about marriage, it was "Adam and Eve" not Adam and Steve. Now God leaves us with choices and I'm going with what the bible says. If you wish to label me a hater, bigot or what ever name you wish to throw my way, wll so be. I will go with the Lord's opinion and if I got it wrong I will pay for it in the end. Also if you got it wrong you my well pay for it in the end. I will leave it to God.
The bible is just another book . Just like so many others books that drive religions all around the world . Our bible thumping belt of bigoted non thinking herd of sheep do not think for themselves. It amazes me how fast they change there mind when they are forced to make a decision based on there own family .
I cast a blind eye. . . I drew a shallow breath. . .
You do sound more like a rug muncher than a chicken eater!
"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman, it is an abomination".
It was not worded that way in the original text...and the ancient text had no word for homosexuality. They lumped all "perversions" together...so it was pretty hard to tell which one they were talking about in certain passages.
God, if you wanted to be clearer you should have been. If you still have an issue just tell us now...this 2500 year old magic show is getting old with the smarter of the breed.
For the same reason, since I'm male, I am refusing to buy cookies from the Girl Scouts because they do not allow boys to join their organization. Such blatant discrimination should not be rewarded!
What I find funny is that, people only list the Old Testament for the whole same sex thing, and like to say that Jesus Christ condemns this, yet, I haven't found a single line in the New Testament where Jesus addresses this issue. Also, out of everything the Old Testament says we should do, the only thing that everyone always fights about is same sex. I mean come on, The Old Testament basically gives us the right to go kill someone for not believing in the same thing we do.
how do it feel to be a thinkin God thinks gay is ok? who hit ya on da hed wid a led pipe? all ye Satan's chillun. chill now, cause yall will burn where youren goin.
Do you know how you sound? I'm not sure christ would say it that way. Jesus forgives all if they turn and accept him as there savior. Instead of condemning Gay people you should try to spread the love of Christ. He loves everyone and we all have fallen short in his eyes.
Hey, bible thumper, would Jesus wear a Rolex on his television show?
Amen.
Is god omnipotent?
If he is, he must be OK with gay people, otherwise he wouldn't have created them.
If he is not, then he is meaningless.
bolwshfi,
You're angry because of repressed homosexuality, but as I said in an earlier post, God still loves you. Free yourself, come out of the closet and be a shining example of sexual freedom for all of us straight people! You can turn things around right now and suddenly have purpose to your meaningless life... Come on, bolwshfi, you can do it!
You may be eating a gay chicken. Who cares, the deep fryer fixes all, now get off your soapboxes and get me my waffle fries.
If Gays are demanding that the definition of marriage be changed to fulfill their "civil rights" then I agree and believe we should change the definition of marriage. But lets not discriminate. Lets be all inclusive:
Marriage should then include:
Man and a Woman
Woman and a Woman
Man and a Man
Man and multiple women
Woman and multiple men
Man and child
Woman and child
Man and animal
Woman and animal
Where does it stop! Everything is not a "civil right". If we as a country are going to throw out the tradition definition of marriage then we MUST change it to include any and ALL possible combinations as to not violate anyone's civil rights.
Tradition marriage was instituted to reinforce the natural procreation of the population. Laws were established to protected and reward married couples and to encourage having children (just look at our tax laws). Gay marriage does nothing to naturally procreate (almost anything is available through science). If science could create life through the joining of man and animal would this be acceptable?
Gays don't discriminate! If we as a country decide to change the definition of marriage we MUST change it to be all inclusive and in making an all inclusive definition of marriage we no longer have marriage.
Gays – live together, sleep together – I don't care, but your union is no marriage!
strawman arguement. just means you are an idiot
If you're gay, Don Cathy still hates you just as much as he did before. Also, eating at Chik-Fil-A now represents an endorsement of that hatred.
Unless you're planning on filling a Chik-Fil-A with gays on a regular basis, in order to discomfit those who support Cathy, I don't see how your presence there accomplishes anything, and it most likely works against you.
Why go to a place that judges you for who you are come down tot he hot dog shop and swallow one of our wieners. Choose your own toppings. We might not be burger king but you can always have it your way.
I'm guessing after an initial spike in sales as all the bigots tried to show their support sales dropped off so their anti gay position got expensive. Right wing conservatives love one thing more than God, money!
There is good that comes from sexual commitment between two gay people, such as the simple fact that STDs are less likely to spread, and the benefits of the commitment to see one another through good and bad times. I also believe that the growth of our population is a threat to our own existence, so being committed to homosexuality could bring overall benefit to the human race in the future. That being said, I also don’t believe homosexuality makes sense biologically. Regardless of your religious beliefs, or lack thereof, it has to be recognized that at its core sex is designed for reproduction. Whether the designer was God or the forces of adaptation, reproduction is undoubtedly the basis for sex. Gay sex conflicts with that design. For that reason, I hope my kids are not gay. People who are gay will never experience the continuance of their own flesh and blood as it was intended by the forces that created us, which to me is a sacred experience I want to promote. I don’t wish the life of a homosexual on anyone, not out of hate, but out of compassion for others. I do see some benefit in recognizing gay marriage, but I also feel that open armed social acceptance of homosexuality is somehow irresponsible in our effort to make society better for future generations. To me, compromise around the legality of gay marriage has to somehow acknowledge that it is NOT the same as heterosexual marriage. I think my views are valid and are not based on hatred, and that I cannot view someone as a bigot because they speak freely about their lack of support for gay marriage. Bigots hate people and are aggressive toward them for being honest in who they are and what they believe.
True Christianity is not about what you do. It's about what you believe. It's as simple as John 3:16. If there are any Christians out there who believe they are sinless, they are liars according to Scripture. Address the beam in your own eye and you won't have time for worrying about the splinter in the eyes of others.
I agree 100% with you however as christians we should not ignore the obvious. The bible clearly states homosexuality is not acceptable. So I think we are all loved by the lord and forgiven if we turn to him for help. Praise God
Homosexual or heterosexual.....or even little green men...who CARES!!!! If you can be what you want, they can believe what they want to believe. Chick-fil-a STILL has gooooooood chicken.
not until roosters start f-- other roosters can you eat at chick fil a.
So, I can go eat at CFA right now? Yes, there are examples of same-sex relations between roosters. Homosexuality is common in the animal kingdom.
Still, I won't eat at CFA. Partially, because the product is overpriced and inconsistent. Partially, because all one has to do is marinate it in sour pickle juice, then dry it off, dip it in egg, roll it in seasoned flour, and fry it. It tastes better at home anyway.
But, yes, homosexuality is common in the animal kingdom because "gay" couples adopt orphaned and abandoned and abused offspring of other couples. It has an important function in preserving the greatest number of offspring. Have a great day!
entirely possible – see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_birds_displaying_homosexual_behavior
i too am a christian? and i'm a lesbian? you're obviously a lesbian, but no christian. i'll tell you what you are. you are an idiot.
Not sure who you are talking to, but my belifes as a Christian is that if you are Gay or straight that God loves you the same
God has a very strange way of demonstrating his love.But try not to think too deeply on that subject.
And you are a jerk. How dare you call her faith into question when you have none yourself.
shut up bonehead. you know nothing. you can't be a christian and be a lesbian, bonehead. what are you, a bonehead? if you think you can be a real christian and be a lesbian then you are stupider than the dead chickens being put in the chick fil a products.God said for christians to be holy. lesbians and gays will burn in hell, you idiot!
Bolwshfi: Why are you so angry? Obviously you have latent homosexual tendencies... but don't worry, God still loves you.
You obviously are not a true Christian.
A true Chritian would not be as offensive as you are.
Can you imagine Christ speaking like you do?
You are flat out wrong, as a Catholic, you clearly know nothing of Christianity. If you are getting your 'christianity' from a klan meeting, trust me, its not chistianity.
Im a Catholic, and you are a fool who knows nothing of your religion. Not even the RCC holds the position you do. For all those ignorant of the RCC, the Church has stated that people are born gay and can be gay. They can be happy and be in a relationship with their partner. What they cannot do, and be a good catholic, is have an intimate relationship. This is less asked of Priests who may not even have a loving relationship. If you dont believe me and are going to send some hate filled response thats fine, but take a look in the mirror if you want to see true ignorance and intolerance. RCC doctrine is public and available.
Gays are only 3.8% of the population. Why is the 96% letting the minority "bully". I don't believe homosexuality is a good practice, or smoking, excessive drinking, gambling addiction, drug addiction etc. I'm anti all these behaviors as being considered NORMAL because they are not normal is what the majority does
I was a very reliable customer for Chick-fil-a, having lunch from there probably three or four time per month for many years. But their position of supporting and promoting hate groups finally got to be too much for me to ignore. I have not purchased anything from them since early this past summer. Do I miss it? Yes. But it is healthier for me and healthier for the world.
oh go stick your head in an oven. i bet no one would eat you either.
Good for you. I will not eat there at all. Hater is just that.
to quote a great american, "everyone is stupid except me." (J. Simpson) a lot of idiots on this thread ma. well, you best be loaded for bear, causen less you start nailin them peckers one of em is sure to nail you in the a–.
The LGBT group is a hate group against straight people.
Yep, they sure are. In fact, they are much more filled with hate than those who thinks homosexuality is wrong. It's all energy from Satan, but he gives his energy to whoever is on his side. Make no mistake about it, the gays are the violent ones and the haters, you are right. I am glad to see that there is another person who is sane here. Not that the gays will hear us. Their ears are stopped up with s-.
..and you sir,are deluded,and a perfect example of the narrow-minded hate which is inherent within people of religion.But just go with it !
What an ignorant statement!
You people are a bunch of whiny babies, BooHoo that somebody doesn't believe in gay marriage... Get over it!!! If you don't want to eat there then don't, we don't care. You are not going to prove anything to us at all. Just because somebody doesn't believe in gay marriage does not make it discrimination. I'm tired of gay's saying that they don't have rights... well last I checked there were states that allow gay marriage, go there and get married then. If I owned a place and said that I don't believe in gay marriage but I still was friendly to you and treated you with the uptmost respect and the food was good then why would you stop eating their for? Thats like me going to a place owned by someone that was gay and saying that I won't eat there anymore because of that... Makes no sense does it now!!!
Jimmy, you're missing the point. If gay people want to get married, sure, they can go to a different state to do so, but until it is recognized federally, it's an empty gesture. What one state recognizes as a binding agreement, another state does not have to. That's why people are up in arms – a marriage in DC will not grant the couple equal rights in, say, Texas. Until gay marriage is recognized on the federal level, and is uniformly accepted in all 50 states, it's a moot point (unless said couple spends the rest of their lives in said state they were married in).
And by the way, fighting for equal rights does not make someone a baby. We can cry foul until our faces turn blue, but until the day when there are full, equal rights, across the board, as recognized in all 50 states, we shall continue this fight, or be "babies" as you so eloquently put it.
Mr. Gaines, What makes people "Whiny babies" is when someone doesn't believe in something but then others are saying that its wrong... You and I both know that everyone is not going to believe in the samething, so why have a hissie fit because they don't think the same way as a gay person does. If one doesn't want to eat there then so be it, but the CEO never said anything out of line. He just said the biblical definition of what marriage is.
The CEOs snarkiness led people to wonder what else he was up to. He was funding hate groups who, quite literally, want gay people murdered and encourage murders of gay people in Africa and the Middle East. He knowingly funded these people.
Would you eat at Pizza Hut if you found out that they were giving money to a group which provided support to those in the Middle East who murder Christians? No? That's why people are annoyed. And, after all, the young lady just wants to know if it is "okay" for her to go to CFA again. I won't, but it's up to her.
You sing a different tune if they took Jimmy's money and gave it to Anti-Jimmy-Family INC, who was lobbying congress to make it illegal for people named Jimmy to get married, adopt kids, receive survivor benefits, get tax breaks, etc. Then I have a feeling you'd be all about whining.
It's not solely about Chic-Fil-A stance on gay marriage. It's that they spent their profits to fight against it, whihc directly opposes the personal philosophy of a great number of their customers. They also donated profits to a religious organization in Africa that was responsible for the executions of homosexuals.
Oh, I get it! Separate but equal! That has always worked before!
Eat wherever you want. I won't give money to bigots if I can help it, and Chick-fil-a is a company owned by bigots.
Gay people are so dramatic.
idiots, you mean. idiots.
really? ever see preachers?
Just say No to homophobic chickens!
The comments are beyond stagnant here. Pseudo-intellectuals everywhere denouncing religion and chick-fil-A. It's definitely time to get off the internet..Maybe go out and get a spicy chicken sandwich.
I never ate at a chik fil a in my entire life and most likely never will. There are so many other restaurants to choose from why should I? I am Gay and Proud of it. If someone does not like me that is fine too. This is there problem not mine. I would not give my money to a person who is so for discrimination anyways.
Virginia,
You already know what your answer should be. Chick-fil-a and its owner are rabidly homophobic. Supporting them with your hard-earned money, (not only, but) especially as a gay woman is disgusting. No matter how good their chicken is, it is not worth your self-respect or your betrayal of your core values. This decision to stop publicly supporting vehement anti-LGBT groups means nothing. Please, respect yourself and continue your boycott.
M
Why would you waste time, money and taste buds on bland, greasy chicken on a slimy white bread roll, totally lacking in imagination? And the tea – for God's sake, make it at home. Add to that the likelihood that the "change" in attitude on the part of the owner of Chick-fil-a is probably due to a drop in business due to boycotts – why shoot yourself in the foot for the aforementioned crap food? It's junk, geared to the palate of a four year old. Find a good place, locally owned by decent, tolerant people and love their food and give them your business where you're welcome.
Gay people need to get over themselves. Your not that cool and nobody really cares about what ou o in bed. So stop playing victim all the time.
You think each and every single gay person is like that? I'm gay, and I don't feel the need to go sharing it with everybody. Chick Fil A can say whatever they want. It really doesn't bother me at all. Just so you know, there are some of us who enjoy the quiet life.
Isreal,
If nobody cared, this wouldn't be an issue, especially with the religious crowd. Get real.
Actually the only people who care are the straight people who have to prove they're not anti gay and the religious idiots. Everyone else doesn't care... even us gays.
We'll shut up when we have equal rights.
What a silly childish IGNORANT idiot you are, did you really mean that gay people should "get over themselves", I thought that was exactly what they do do, you know "get over themselves as opposed to someone else". Now what is this strange act you refer to "nobody really cares about what ou o in bed", "ou o in bed" this sounds intriguing can you tell us more?
I am happily hetero sexual but I would much prefer the company of a gay person as opposed to a pompous bigoted HOMOPHOBE like you.
Hey Isreal,...or should I say Douchey-the-clown? People who merely want the same rights as the rest of the people who are citizens in this country don't need to "get over themselves"... The organizations that Chik-fil-a donated to were AGAINST EQUAL RIGHTS FOR GAYS...
What you said was the equivalent of saying hey women,...all that noise you made awhile back about wanting to vote? Get over yourselves! Hey black folks,...all that noise you once made about equal rights? Get over yourselves!
Great going you knob, way to look like a throwback...
Maybe if others would stop victimizing them wouldn't have to be victims (no one plays victim who is truly victimized). There is nothing wrong with being gay, but there is a whole heck of a lot wrong with hating someone just because they are.
dumbo, dumbo, you are a dumbo,
maybe you should have some jumbo shrimp.
dumbo, dumbo, you are a dumbo,
maybe if you eat it, you'll turn into a blimp.
Oh, and by the way, homosexuality is sinful and perverted and evil and corrupt and immoral and devilish and depraved and horrible and dark and demonic and satanic and rebellious and ungodly and wicked and iniquitous and wrong. Therefore, when you say it is not wrong, you are wrong. Woe to those who call evil good and good evil. God says it is evil, when you say it is good, you are under God's curse. God Almighty's curse. You have cursed yourself. Sodom and Gommorah God destroyed because of homosexuality, and the homos from that city, your beloved brothers and sisters, who paved the way for you, are writhing in hell right now, just like you will be when you die if you do not repent and obey Jesus Christ.
As a Christian, I have to wonder, what religion are you? God loves his children and Jesus died for our sins. He told us to love one another, and there was no except involved. I'm a flawed person, yes. A sinner, yes. Yet I love my others as I was instructed to by God, so I think I'll be ok. So will you if you repent your hate filled ways. Good luck with that!
Perfectly stated!
The thing I don't understand is why this man said was an answer to a question about marriage. He said he believed in traditional man and woman marriage. He NEVER said that he opposed gay marriage. Leave it up to the liberal media to twist things so that they can make something controversial out of NOTHING.
To say you believe marriage is only between a man and a woman is to oppose gay marriage.
It wasn't about what he SAID. What he said just got people questioning him and his business, at which time they found he contributed to ultraconservative political groups. The protests were against his corporate spending, which is why they protested his business.
IS his Money not yours. If he wants to spend give all his money to whom ever he wants so be it. Is not for you to question it. How would feel if someone out street comes to your home and tell you what to do what the money you earn!!
IDIOT
People who are gay simply want to have the same legal rights as any other citizen of the United States...
The organizations that Chik-fil-a donated to were AGAINST EQUAL RIGHTS FOR GAYS... THIS is why there's been a big deal made about this...
If you don't understand that, then you are being either willingly blind about it...(i.e. you're lying), or you are woefully ignorant.
If you don't believe that people who happen to be gay deserve the same rights afforded by laws concerning marriage as the rest of us citizens (rights and priviledges that are NOT conferred if you merely have a "civil union"), then at least have the courage to say that directly, instead of acting like Chick-fil-a is some kind of "victim of misunderstanding and media hype"... They're not,...and you know it...
Don Cathy has been very, very clear about his opposition to gay marriage. He has poured millions of dollars into organizations that work against it, and has funded several efforts in African countries to not only criminalize homosexuality, but to make it a capital offense, punishable by death.
His hate is very real and very tangible.
If you are from georgia, and haven't tried Martins chicken sandwich and their tea, you are missing out!!!
Is there such a thing as a Chick-Fil-A-Phobe?
Is it still okay to think that beastiality and other sexual perversions are wrong?
A lesbian (gay) Christian? Ma'am-you are in IDIOT, and a self-loathing pathettic waste of oxygen consumption! The idea that a homosexual can be a Christian makes about as much sense as Jewish Nazi's, or black KKK members!
Waaaaahhhhh. Waaaaahhhh. Another whine-fest from a liberal Scumbag. Why does CNN publicize garbage like this? This broad has the nerve to tell me why I waited in line for 45 minutes on CFA Appreciation Day? She doesn't have a clue. I couldn't care less what she eats in her kitchen, or in her bedroom. What I do have a problem with is scumbags like her demonizing one of the classiest companies in the world because they have the gall to support traditional, healthy families. Ffffff her, and all of her bigoted, like minded pals.
I am a distant cousin of Truett Cathy. I am glad that his many good works were mentioned in the comments. Most people do not understand the difference in his and his son's views. The reversals of the funding practices and the change in tone of the comments have come from the very top of the family Truett.
In short: NO
Seriously. Think about it for one second. How is what this business did any different than what was being done to blacks just fifty years ago? It's not that they are refusing service. No, no, no...they are allowing service to gain profits which will allow them to influence the guarding of civil rights and liberties toward certain demographics. That is still discrimination; and, with their power of financial influence, should have received nationwide backlash. Instead, people praised the company, assuming they did no wrong and they had a right...Well, wrong. Welcome to the 21st Century, when discrimination has evolved from direct hatred through physical means to indirect hatred through financial means. Time to update these anti-discriminatory laws because if someone does not want you to have civil rights and liberties, they're not going to say so to your face. They're going to stash some cash in the pockets of politicians to get what they want. I'm telling you: Big Businesses' ability to do this is one of the biggest dangers we face this Century. My advice: Don't eat their crap.
Not a civil rights issue it's a moral issue. Right up there with child molestation and any other bad moral decision. God does not make mistakes so guess what.... gay=sinner.
The only people who believe it is a moral issue are ones who cherry pick bible verses for to satisfy their own bigotry. Everyone else knows it is a civil rights issue.
It's very simple. When you take rights away from a group of people because you disagree with who they love, it's a civil rights issue. No different than disallowing blacks to marry whites because you disagree with it.
Koko, you are entitled to your own opinions, but you are not entitled to your own facts.
I'm pretty sure god made a mistake when he made you, then,...unless, of course you'd like to argue that, since in your opinion "god doesn't make mistakes" when he makes people the way they are born,...and since it's been proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that people are BORN with the genetic disposition to prefer mating with the oppiste sex,...then either you have to admit that god DID make a mistake (in which cae your god is not worthy of worship),...OR you have to admit that god DIDN't make a mistake, and gay people are just as beloved by him, and therefore deserve the same respect and rights as everyone else...
I'm betting your namesake, the gorilla, has more brains than you, though, so I'm not holding my breath that you'll be able to come up with a decent response...
I'm sure it's going to involve "free will" or some such,....and assume that gays "choose" to be gay, and that it's a "sin" because your moldy old book of "divine wisdom" that didn't even have a clue that America existed somehow represents the truth about EVERYTHING ELSE...
If that's your only answer, please spare us all...
I'm pretty sure god made a mistake when he made you, then,...unless, of course you'd like to argue that, since in your opinion "god doesn't make mistakes" when he makes people the way they are born,...and since it's been proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that people are BORN with the genetic disposition to prefer mating with the oppiste gender,...then either you have to admit that god DID make a mistake (in which cae your god is not worthy of worship),...OR you have to admit that god DIDN't make a mistake, and gay people are just as beloved by him, and therefore deserve the same respect and rights as everyone else...
I'm betting your namesake, the gorilla, has more brains than you, though, so I'm not holding my breath that you'll be able to come up with a decent response...
I'm sure it's going to involve "free will" or some such,....and assume that gays "choose" to be gay, and that it's a "sin" because your moldy old book of "divine wisdom" that didn't even have a clue that America existed somehow represents the truth about EVERYTHING ELSE...
If that's your only answer, please spare us all...
No, God doesn't make "mistakes." However, there sure as heck are children born without genitalia. There sure as heck are children born with ambiguous genitalia (and no one knows if they are male or female–no, the DNA doesn't help). There are women with XY chromosomes and men with XXX chromosomes. Some fetuses have their brains washed in one set of hormones when they are forming, and then the body washed in another set of hormones–they wind up transgendered (everyone starts out female, by the by). Lesbians don't choose to have an amygdala that looks like that of a straight man, and gay men don't choose to have an amygdala that looks like that of a straight woman.
The problem here is that people have very few children these days, and they also are isolated from animals giving birth. People who are closer to nature understand that gender/sex assignment can deviate just like a person can wind up with no legs, or no hands, or colorblind, or have perfect pitch, or be left-handed.
Silly statements like "God doesn't make mistakes" don't mean much in the context of this discussion. What is a child with ambiguous chromosomes and ambiguous genitalia–a "mistake"? Male? Female? Who decides? You cannot deny that such children exist–so until you have an answer for what they "are," then bear in mind that sometimes this issue doesn't show up physically, as it is in the area of the brain that regulates sexual attraction, and you don't really have any more understanding of homosexuality than anyone else. Okay?
If god is omnipotent, why did he "make" gays?
If god is not omnipotent, why is he relevant?
God doesn't make mistakes?You might want to think that one through...or not.
Ms Willis, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but not the facts. And the fact is that you don't know what was in the hearts of all of us millions who "appreciated" Chick-fil-A and it's dishonest for you to put that forth, and for CNN to invite such propaganda language.
As for me and my families and friends, we appreciate the Cathys' convictions to the Biblical version of Christianity. You know, the one that our country was founded on but has become a pariah in the corrupted, politically-correct culture of today.
And those that think that they can make what they want of God's Word, don't understand how it works, I'll say I believe. God's Word is immutable, that is what makes it so powerful and life-affirming and prevents it from being demeaned by a selfish human culture, of any generation. It is not something that can be transformed or diluted to fit into any lifestyle that one chooses for themselves, and still be supernatural.
So, if any special interest group such as your own wants to attack Chick-fil-A for their strict adherence to the Word, you're welcome to do so, but recognize and admit the perverted reasoning of a Christian to do that.
you said you don't think God makes mistakes and He still loves you. you are right. He doesn't make mistakes but we do. you have made a mistake about your sexual identity. somehow you think you were designed to be connected with the same sex you are, but remember, He doesn't make mistakes. And He still loves you mixed up and all.
To answer the question posed by the title.....................You can eat wherever you want. Thats the great thing about the USA and the constitution. Its a free country...........If you dont like the views of any established organization or business.....Simmply don't partake. The same way the owner of Chik-Fil -A is entitled to his opinion and views. I'm just not sure why people get all bent out of shape. We are all entitled to our own beliefs, lifestyles and opinions.
Bojangles half and half tea is better than Chik-fil-a.
Opinion: I don't care what you eat in your bedroom, just don't try to force it down my throat
Dont you worry, it would NOT fit down your throat anyway..... Such a hipocrite!!!
My uncle is involved in the gay lifestyle. He is older now and doesn't get the attention from all the men like he used to. He is considered a "troll". He used to have frequent anonymous sex in the restrooms at the gay clubs numerous times a week. Now he is left with his gay friend and he is longing for the good old days. He is now suffering from deep depression and feels very lonely. He "married" another old gay man. But this guy still has sex outside of there "marriage". He no longer brags about his lifestyle.
I am a straight Republican who will never eat there again. I encourage my children to do the same thing. I also don't shop at Walmart. I haven't had Lipton tea since the Dixie Chicks incident. If these companies want to play politics I won't pay for it.
attaboy – vote with your wallet
No one is missing you in any of those lines. Not really sure where you fit in the republican party with the Dixie Chick comment. I think you might be lying to yourself. Democrat in a closet? Who would have thought.
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That's just about the saddest plug I've ever read.
i agree any one who believes such trash are not to bright.
People of all lifestyle persuasions will continue to eat at Chick-Fil-A's. Regardless of what the food looks or smells like, at least it still TASTES like chicken.
Sadly, you don't know what real chicken tastes like. You would probably be even more shocked to know what a real chicken looks like. I'll give you a hint: real chickens don't have 1/2 pound breasts.
Based on your ignorance, I'd have to say you just "don't get it"; and in more ways than one.
Actually, do the tiniest, most eency weency little bit of research into what you eat on a day to day basis. Take a look at the chicken industry. There is plenty of information out there. THEN think about your replies before you type 'em out. "Chickens" are hardly chickens anymore, especially the kind that Chick Fil A serves to all y'all.
Does anybody else think its hilariously ironic, that replubicans are slowly poisoning themselves with their fast food diet? They just don't know any better I suppose, poor babies. It only leads to hypertension, diabetes, heart disease, and worse. Have fun with that, suckas! Oh, and don't whine about your health care 20 years from now when you actually HAVE coverage. You'll need it.
Comment sections such as this lively one always remind me of how stupid the general populace of this country is.
Welcome to the general populace.
Comments such as yours (and all those who claim to dislike such forums or express negativity about them, and yet continue to read them and comment on them) have the same effect on me...
Isn't that strange?
I have heard people are referring to the place as"Chick-Fil-A" Hole!
I do know one thing. Gay people boycotting this restaurant won't hurt their business.Food is to good.
Lol. Not!!!! That is what makes it so easy to boycott.
Knock yourself out! Please!
Phil.
Were you the little fat boy?
PHIL, were YOU the little fat boy?
PHIL, Were YOU the little FAT boy?
PHIL!!!
Chick-Fil-A's food is extremely bland unless you slather honey mustard, mayo, or barbecue sauce on it.
If you want flavorful, tender chicken, nothing beats the 11 herbs and spices in KFC's original recipe chicken. That's why KFC consistently wins Zagat Awards for excellence.
Yeah, love KFC and cornhole Sanders. I mean Colonel Sanders.
No matter what they sell if a vendor is using its business to surpress a view that you deeply believe in, it is moral to stop increasing the profits of that vendor. Period. Chicl fil A might have great chicken products, tea et al, but so do a lot of other vendors. "In order for evil to prevail, it is only necessary for good men to do norhing:. The owners of a chain have taken a stance for what they believe, but some of their customers are standing against the owners beliefs. When the chain put their belief over their profits, it was their choice. Now if profits suffer for their beliefs, it was their choice,.
Frankly I find it sad that people who espouse diversity and acceptance simply cannot accept it when someone does not believe as they do, and will be the first to cry foul (fowl?). Regardless of whether or not I share the same view as the owners of Chick-Fil-A is immaterial. I can choose to eat there or not. That said, their profits have been through the roof since this fiasco, and there are STILL long lines at meal time.
Intolerance of intolerance isn't intolerance.
I wonder if that "intolerance of intolerance" was the justification used previously to burn Christians at the stake? The time has already come when men will not put up with sound doctine. They will call good evil and evil good. The prophecies are being fulfilled.
People have ALWAYS been saying "the prophecies are being fulfilled". Pretty easy to fulfill some prophecies when they're all so vague and figurative!
oakhill, your a fool. those who "espouse" diversity and acceptance do not have an issue with the fact someone doesnt like us or support our freedoms. We simply will not crouch and hide when people are making real life moves and decisions to limit, take away, or reject our equal humane rights. As america, land of the free, with the right to the pursuit of happiness, we are all suppose to be treated equal. having an opinion, and forcing your private religious values on our lives is not equal, and it frankly defies the constitution.
I love this moronic black and white litmus everyone is partaking in. If you cant handle an opinion on gay marriage that doesnt sync with yours, by all means shield yourself like a scared child. In fact lets put everything from cable news to comedy to ...chicken restraunts through a filter that we can only agree 100% on. Lets just see how all CEOs vote and feel on every issue so we can nonstop be some self important little "activist". Sad and stupid. You guys are as narrow as the NRA where any gun law is against ALL guns. Except in this case its a fried chicken sandwich...
There are probably few companies in the world that would meet every standard that the average person has. You alone can decide what you can and cannot live with.
of course you can quit being a bunch of whining babies shut-up and eat
I found the whole protest against Chick Fil A ridiculous and anyone who liked to eat at the place before the owners comments are still eating there and just not admitting it. Unfortunately the very people who protested against the restaurant didnt even realize they were all walking contradictions as they were protesting for their right to marry whomever they'd like but in reality their spectical showed their own intolerance for people right to state their opinions. He was asked a question and the lesbian and gay community flipped out because of his personal beliefs! Maybe the people from the lesbian and gay community who participated in these protests should take a page from their own rule book and learn about tolerance!
The line for standing up for the persecuted is a fine line isn't it? Maybe there's a nuance to it but I would say I agree with their boycott. A personal opinion is fine and dandy. As soon as the company participates in it (donating to ultra right winger anti-gay groups), that is when a boycott is called for. It'd be the same if you we're black, you wouldn't support Kolonel Klick's Ketchup if part of their profits went to the klan. There's no difference. It doesn't make them intolerant to stand up to someone who is gunning for their civil liberties. It makes them brave. Perhaps the people who are anti-gay might be the intolerant ones? Ever think of that?
I love your response, it is so....sensible! No one would ever support a business that was racist, but it's okay to hate gay people, I guess. I always wondered if some of my more idiotic FB friends (people from high school) would look back at their mad dash to eat at Chik fil A with embarrassment. Some of them even photographed and posted pics of their receipts. It seemed like such a strange thing to put your solidarity behind: discrimination. But I think a person has to be a little evolved to feel shame so probably they don't care.
If your little logic actually worked (which it doesn't), then nobody would protest anything. Ever. Everybody would be too busy tolerating each other's opinions. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. That includes Chick Fil-Aholes, who believe all gay people will burn in hell, and gay people, who believe Chick Fil-Aholes are are ignorant self-righteous hypocrites.
I think it's perfectly appropriate for one consumer group (gay people and their supporters) to boycott the completely non-essential product of another group (Chick Fil-A) because of their backward beliefs. Capitalism at its finest, I say. For you to think the gay community should just keep their trap shut is just another example of how repubs THINK that their all for "freedom" and "independence", when in reality, all they want is freedom for themselves. Enough freedom to do some oppressing of their own. But hey- that's your opinion, and your entitled to it. Have fun with that.
Yeah, um, using your logic, the Nazi's had a legitimate opinion too.
I'm tired of being a second class citizen, not having the same rights as others, but paying the same taxes. Or are you now saying that forbidding interracial marriage is a good idea because many people's religions deem it unworthy?
You have 100% of the same rights as other Americans to marry someone of the opposite sex.
By your position – polygamy should be allowed as well, funny how the LGBT community never includes them.
Your position is utterly hypocritical – and this has nothing to do with 'rights'.
You can eat wherever you want, including Chick-filets which not for a moment would chose to stop you from eating there.
I'm sure you would be pretty upset if somebody took away your right to marry.
Wrong, James,...the "polygamy" argument is a strawman argument, because what they are doing, when they do it, often revolves around DOZENS of illegalities concerning the religious sects that practice them (FLDS Church, for instance), such as marrying women underage, kidnapping children, child and spousal abuse, and much, much more...
Marrying multiple wives (or multiple spouses of ANY gender) is not the issue...discrimination based on sexuality is... Other than the gender of the participants, their desire to have the legal rights that go along with marrying another individual person that they love is the EXACT same thing as ANY two people, of the legal age of consent, having the desire to join as a couple and gain all the legal rights of marriage... Not civil union,...marriage...
Wrong, James,...the "polygamy" argument is a strawman argument, because what they are doing, when they do it, often revolves around DOZENS of illegalities concerning the religious sects that practice them (FLDS Church, for instance), such as marrying women underage, kidnapping children, child and spousal abuse, and much, much more...
Marrying multiple wives (or multiple spouses of ANY gender) is not the issue...discrimination based on s.e.x.u.a.l.i.t.y is... Other than the gender of the participants, their desire to have the legal rights that go along with marrying another individual person that they love is the EXACT same thing as ANY two people, of the legal age of consent, having the desire to join as a couple and gain all the legal rights of marriage... Not civil union,...marriage...
i grew up with it, loved it, and miss it – but i can't be a part of it...sorry chick-fil-a, hate is not a condiment.
lol love it
Eat More Kale!!
sick! lol
"It was simply a thinly veiled protest against homosexuals, period."
Yes, you have it absolutely right. When I went to Chick-fil-A to support freedom of speech, what my REAL agenda was, was to promote the inequalities of homosexuals. Yes, you hit it right on the nose, way to read my mind, and the minds of millions of others. /end sarcasm
It's funny to me to realize you probably don't have one friend who went to chick-fil-a to support them during that time, yet you know so much about their agenda and their personal issues against homosexuality.
Yes, buy purchasing chicken sandwiches, you were ultimately funding the very organizations that are set out to destroy you. Wow, what a mind blowing relationship between your love for chicken sandwiches and anti-gay-rights...
Okay, now that you realize this. Let me tell you what your taxation supports.
Wait .... nope. I'll let you continue to support murder and hypocrisy blindly and one day you can figure it out on your own and perhaps move out of this country and pay taxes somewhere else.
;-)
Are you high? What the hell is this?
Passive aggressive smiley face, too. Ugh, what a bitch.
Oh man, if I had the money, I'd be out of this place in a New York minute.
Oy. What a hypocritical opinion. How does it feel to just constantly be contradicting yourself? Oh wait, I'll bet you're in capable of seeing it. Pity.
Oh, please. Yes, I know plenty of people who went to CFA during the "freedom of speech" protest (I'm not gay, by the by). Yes, they were there because they do not like gay people and think that they should "die in their own blood." Yes, they said so in front of me because they don't know my political positions.
There are lots of bigots in the South. CFA will make scads of money off them. However, CFA also will not expand beyond the South, where there isn't a lot of money, and they know it. That is why they backpedaled but quick.
Funny how it is just fine for Focus on the Family or Concerned Women to call for Disney boycotts and JC Penney boycotts and whatever else boycotts . . . because those who don't boycott are "supporting homosexuality." However, when others point out that giving money to a company that gives money to groups that support those who murder homosexuals . . . actual murder . . . then there's something wrong with boycotts because they "suppress freedom of speech."
You know, when you go and aggressively shop at JC Penney to support their freedom of speech and you start to decry Focus on the Family for calling for boycotts . . . then you can pretend that you were supporting "freedom of speech" at CFA. The people I know who went to CFA also boycott Disney or JC Penney when they are told to do so. When a person only supports "freedom of speech" for those who are anti-gay, then yeah, that person is supporting people because they are anti-gay. Have a great day.
So sorry bit fast food is fast food no matter what –
It is ALL the same, and believe me not always as bad as you describe.
It is about MODERATION!
If you ar eindeed on a highway for many hours – the "terribly low nutritous highway joint" is perfectly fine for ONCE.
It becomes a problem when you visit these places every day for breakfast – lunch and dinner.
Visiting a fast food restaurant or heating up a processed, frozen food dish in your microwave is exactly the same, mayeb the latter is even worse -- who knows!!! Start your dinner from scratch and then we talk!
Observer, who said anything about picking and Choosing ? If God is lying I am going to get drunk . Nice try sweetie
God is a lie(r?). Cheers!
And why does the bible HAVE to be written by God himself, instead of just with a little divine inspiration? If fundamentalists abandoned that one little idea, and joined the mainstream Christian thought in thinking that the bible is subject to a little interpretation, they wouldn't be in this constant embarassing, awkward position of trying to justify their hypocritical opinions.
Did you know that fundamentalism is a relatively new idea? Born in the USA. Christianity hasn't ever widely adhered to a literal interpretation of the bible until the 1800's. Why? Because interpreting it literally is obviously rediculous.
Hey Paul Allen,...maybe it's time you get drunk then... Here,...go read what's on THIS site: http://www.evilbible.c*m , sweetie....
Gay also, don't really care if some restaurant owner wants to give his or her employees one day off a week of his or her choosing. But if your going to keep the doors open sell me a six pack on Sunday. Even Jesus (allegedly) made wine out of water he realized somebody needed to get the party started.
Observer, who said anything about picking and Chossing? If God is lying I am going to get drunk . Nice try sweetie
paul allen,
"Observer, who said anything about picking and Choosing ?"
Your comment was in response to my statements about picking and choosing. Next time, make an effort to read what someone said before commenting, sweetie.
This kind of thing is completely irresponsible on CNN's part. There is absolutely no reason to put a link to an opinion piece on a 'news organizations' front page, under 'Just In'. CNN, you are no longer a news organization if you can't properly separate news articles from opinion pieces. This is beginning to make me sick to my stomach, the amount I am seeing this happen in today's world, and I have been coming to CNN.COM for my news for over ten years. If this sort of thing continues, CNN.COM will be but a very distant memory of how a news organization can sell it's soul for ratings and mass agreement on opinions. Please stop doing this now, otherwise risk losing all credibility as a news organization.
That was your whole problem?
Are you new to this whole Opinion as News scenario? It's going on at every news organization. In fact, I recommend you browse around and find one news organization that doesn't push opinion as news, or even breaking news. Yes, it is crap, but also, learn the differentiate opinion pieces from reported pieces. You won't seem so angry then. Perhaps give Al Jazeera a try, too. They cover things very well. I highly recommend their news gathering organization as well as their news reporting. Big fan of CNN here. But since Ted sold to AOL/Time Warner, CNN is a shell of what a news organization is supposed to be and more along the lines of a centrist Fox News with a more liberal slant. Not quite MSNBC, but certainly not overtly right, either. I honestly wish and hope that CNN would again become a proper news agency, but the look at me world of today's 20 second attention span probably won't allow such a thing to occur. Nor will those in charge at CNN. The ones who allow Christiane Amanpour, the best foreign news reported ever, to leave. They have the news sense of road kill.
Try Reuters.c*m. I gave up on all other news sites a couple years ago when it became apparent how grossly warped inaccurate the reporting has become. Objective factual reporting are all but gone, and NONE of the mainstream news sites or stations are any good. I look at a sampling of them everyday to see what garbage is being pushed today, but if you want actual news, stick with Reuters.
Is it a new article? Yes. Is it just in (newly published)? Yes. Overreact much?
Sure you can.!!
I'm liberal,but if a chik-fil-a opened up,I'd eat there in second!
But living in NEw York,that looks very unlikely cause of our local government and citizens :(
I envy you guys who hav local chik fil a's!!!!!!!!! LUCKY!!!!!! There food looks SoOooooOOOooooOOOoooOOoooOOOooo good!!!!!!!
I won't eat there because it took me a whole day to figure out "Chick-fil-A" is supposed to be a clever spelling for "Chick(en) Filet." I initially thought it was pronounced "Chick Fill ' Ah" as in "Fill 'Ah Up" and it brought to mind images of very obese people stuffing themselves with greasy fried chicken. The time I have spent pondering this has greatly decreasesd my quality of life. Their antigay stance just gave me another reason to dislike the chain.
That's just dumb.
No comment on the politics of this issue, but - is there some reason why someone can't make "half-and-half" tea at home? Or even a fried chicken sandwich? I understand the fast food places often have "special sauce" that makes their stuff taste unique, but generally recipes can be found to mimic them. And I just can't fathom that the half-sweetened tea really has some proprietary blend involved?
It's a very complex formula obviously. Makes the coke formula look like a recipe for water.
1/2 part sweet tea.
1/2 part unsweetened tea.
You'd have to be a rocket scientist to get that right.
I'm not gay and I still wont eat there.
Agree.
make it three :)
it's your right not to eat at Chick-Fil-a, but I think you're G..A..Y..
John 8:7
So when they continued asking him, Jesus lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
Common Sense 1:8 He who quotes from the bible will forever remain a sheep. A dumb, close minded, country bumpkin sheep.
Are you describing yourself? a D.I.R.T.Y....FA.GG.O.T....G.A.Y...?
Geez, you folks are a little testy over this! It's chicken. I don't think Chic-Fil-A really cares who buys their chicken. I think they want people who want chicken ...to buy their chicken! It's a business. And one who's food I can actually say I enjoy. So come on everyone, let's have a "Chic-Fil-A for ALL" day! We don't have to go holding hands and all, ...but let's go get a sandwich damnit!
No. Please leave decent people one place to go that is not full of people like you,
After your rude comment, I can certainly tell you that your idea of "decent" certainly doesn't match mine.
Let me guess: by 'decent' you mean 'straight'? I think the word you're looking for to describe yourself was 'asshole'.
now seriously, whos the A*hole in here, huh! Mr. E....C*O*L*I...??????
Can't we all just eat and get along?
You can always head to Douche City. Probably make mayor. It's full of your kind.
I can virtually guarantee that Chick-fil-A is is still just as aggressively anti-homosexual as they have ever been. However they probably just took a look at their year end earnings and noticed an earnings decline that correlated with their mid-year PR disaster regarding being anti-homosexual and therefor decided that the only way to increase their earnings was to cut ties with anti-homosexual groups. In other words, they are hoping that those of us who have been boycotting them since they came out as anti-gay will come spend money if they pretend to be more open minded. I'm sure we are all smarter than that.
Pretty obvious. Bad thing is that most people are too dumb to get that apparently. Just look at the author.
Go and eat somewhere else, we dont want your d.i.r.t.y...G.A.Y....money....
There's too much self importance in America that's driven by media and politics.
You are not a special snowflake.
You are only what you do.
Love all and be blessed no matter what.
If u dig the chic fillet sandwich why deny yourself? Go have one and be happy! :-)
I am a little disappointed that wasn't a tyler durden quote.
There is nothing more revolting and unnatural than two women sleeping together. PLease do not call yourself a "Christian" because the Bible condemns gays. Go make up your own religion and stop trying to change mine because it DOES NOT accept you.
Wow. Strong words coming from someone with a flaming gay name such as Flamingo Kid. Better learn how to read better too.
Haha, so true and great response. "Flamingo Kid" may have an internal struggle he needs work out.
not everbody eats...E...C..O..L..I... like you do...
My name is Austin Lamon and I am a southern white male, a conservative, and a Christian. I think arguing about social issues like gay rights and abortion is a waste of time, money, and political resources. I am more concerned with this economy, our wasteful spending, and the expansion of an already incompetent and bloated government. However, the fact that you call yourself a Christian is pretty appalling. You need to rethink your faith and what it means to be an American. We are all in this together and the evangelical right and the far left need to be marginalized in this society because their priorities are misplaced. It is people like you that scare the hell out of moderate Americans, and turn everyone away from the Republican party.
Please quit describing yourself as a conservative and a Christian when it is obvious you are neither.
Why, Neanderthal? What would you call him?
Oh look, a supposed christian telling another christian they're not christian enough.
Dumbass.
youre G.A.Y. and an E...C..O..L..I... eater..
I read from the top of the article until your response, when I found out all of a sudden we are no longer talking about chcken sandwiches, but abortion? sorry, but WHF did that come from, lets no even go into the comment about what being a christian and an american mean... I am not gay, or christian, or, republican, and I also do not eat chick filet. I am an American by birth, straight, or some times bi by choice, agnostic be believe, not republican by revulsion and do not eat chick-filet by choice. It is assholes like you that keep the stupidity of the rednecks in power and the NRA in control of your wallets. Here is an idea, shut the fuck up, keep your opinions to yourself and stop breeding with your cousins!
100% g.a.y. and an atheist...what more can you ask for?
Take the "o" out of this guy's screenname.
The Flamingo Kid,
Don't claim your beliefs are typical of all heteros. Watch an adult movie any night on Showtime or HBO and you can bet you'll see a lesbian scene. These are movies geared for heteros. Get real. Ask your hetero male friends.
Let me ask you...how are you ever going to win anyone to Christ talking to people like that? Our way of life does not condemn, we are here to be witnesses to others of God's love, mercy, and grace, not to pull the splinter out of another's eye when we have a plank in our own. Sin is sin and it makes no difference which one. Let God do the judging.
Flamingo says: "The bible condemns gays."
I can't understand why people quote the bible and act as though it makes any sense. It is so full of contradictory and in some cases downright psychopathic statements that you can find anything in it that you want, or don't want. For example, the old testament god is a psychopathic murderer.
Besides, there is no god or gods. Atheists can't understand why anyone cares about gay marriage or gay sex. It's a big "yawn" for us.
sanjosemike
I dunno... Your post is pretty revolting to me.
You are an idiot. And don't even remotely resemble a Christian. If going to heaven means spending eternity with idiots like you, then I want no part of it. Oh, and good luck at the pearly gates.
watch out your a*h.o.l.e. is loose...
The Bible does not condemn homosexuality when it is put in historical and cultural context and is read using reason, as Jesus did. If you disagree, please cite a verse.
verse 666 youre dad's favorite verse..
yeah I don't think someone who names themself the flaming kid should be talking about what christianity is like. Sounds like he is more down for the nazi party. or some other KKK like hate group. He seems to also be what is wrong with our society
Jesus loved and accepted everyone for who they were. A pity you are incapable of matching that type of kindness.
Which is why your "religion" is an abject failure...and will be among the ash heap of other failed ideas in the near future.
It's you that doesn't accept, loser. Waddle away.
Honestly, this topic is becoming more and more unworthy. There is nothing at all in the bible that says homosexuality is bad, the bible is also just a printed book that has went through generations of change. Are you honestly going to believe fairy tales also?...Yeah, easy to believe some some non-existent fairy tale being watching over the human race when there are a multitude of people, whether it be children, teens, adults, that do deserve to live be stolen of their life, raped, tortured, ostracized, etc here. All for absolutely no reason.... Your "god" is almighty, but created humans with free will but NO good wills, logical right? All this insanity just so that humans could use some paper book against others who're not a splitting image than them and think differently. What messed up humor this wrathful "God" has for it's small amount of good willed beings.
And you would have pit on the virgin Mary, right?
And they'll know you're a Christian by your love, right?
Hey "Flaming Kid".... If you wanna really open your own eyes up concerning your bible,...go read this site: http://www.evilbible.c*m , enjoy....
This is ridiculous. It is very easy to understand why this country is on the decline when so many Americans get bent out of shape over these meaningless social controversies. The owner of Chick-fil-A never said he was anti-gay, he just said he was against the idea of gay marriage. We should be worried about our economy, our deficit, the lack of job growth, our obligations to our foreign allies, and the turmoil in the Middle East. Yet, we Americans love to bicker among ourselves about gay marriage and abortion rights. Those issues should not even be discussed at the federal level, these are suppose to be state level decisions. Furthermore, social issues are only a tool for the politicians to gather support from the politically ignorant. Politicians have no intention of actually addressing such issues on the federal level but they know that they can stir the emotions of people who don't pay attention to the urgent problems we face in this country. We don't have the luxury to sit around and waste time and money on these meaningless arguments. Gay marriage and abortions (or lack of) will not alter the direction of the economy, create jobs, defend our allies, or pay off our debts. Shut up, and start becoming productive members of society instead of wasting time and money on this nonsense.
The issue isn't the personal beliefs of the owner. The controversy around CF is that the company gives hundreds of thousands of dollars to anti-gay organizations like the Family Research Council and even to groups who claim they can perform "reparative therapy" on gay teens. That's what the firestorm was about.
Regardless, we should not be wasting our time on such nonsense. Chick-fil-A is delicious and these social issues are a waste of time. That is why politicians love speaking about social issues because it diverts everyone's attention from the real issues and they believe it somehow gives them a moral high ground. It's all BS.
Oh, silly us thinking that wanting to stop the organizations that are a ok with harrassing, harmful therapies, beatings and deaths of gay people are a real issue! Next time I guess we'll just sit and yap about how the president is Hitler like the rest of you conservatives seem to think.
sorry, dude...chik-fil-a SUCKS
....Except for the fact that these issues have huge financial implications for the individuals involved. Unplanned for children can be a huge burden on a couple or even more on an individual parent. Having to hire lawyers and jumping through a million hoops to enjoy the same rights that heterosexual couples enjoy automatically, is a very real financial burden. Not to mention that some of us in this country (not claiming I'm one of them) are grown ups and can manage to ponder a few different things at once.
I have never in my life been to Chick-fil-A or any fast food dining establishment before... Although I have heard that Chick-fil-A does offer grilled chicken nuggets, so if I were REALLY in a bind and did not plan ahead, I may stop for those...
My gosh! Is this even news? Eat wherever you want, they aren't homophobics, they just don't support the gay community.
Um,..potpotsie,...they ARE bigoted by the very nature of their donations... The organizations that Chik-fil-A donated to were AGAINST EQUAL RIGHTS FOR GAYS... THIS is why there's been a big deal made about this...
What they did is far worse than merely "not supporting the gay community"...
If you don't understand that, then you are being either willingly blind about it...(i.e. you're lying), or you are woefully ignorant.
The liberals and the gay community are supposed to be "open and accepting of everyone of diverse backgrounds". That is so untrue! You are accepting of everyone who agrees with whatever you say is right, and if they do not agree with you then you have license to call them bigots, prejudiced, homophobic, idiotic, unjust, uneducated, and I don't even know what more. That doesn't sound very liberal and accepting to me!
We are all entitled to our own opinions, whether they are the spoon fed pap from the media, or actually something logically and morally reasoned out. If Chix a fils feels traditional families are the only type of families that are right, based on their beliefs, who the heck are you to tell them they shouldn't think that way?
Quit being such hypocrites!
Does God make a mistake when a child is born without an arm or is deaf? Of course not! So the question of whether God made a mistake with the author being born gay is moot. Does God hate people because they are gay? Of course not! Does God hate husbands who cheat on their wives? No. Does he hate what they do? I believe so. Does God hate homosexual behavior? I believe he does, but I don't believe he hates the gay person. We make choices in this life. Even gay people make choices when they, like heterosexuals, act upon their impulses, whether it has to do with sex or deciding whether to keep drinking alcohol when one is an alcoholic. And please don't tell me that it's different because alcoholism is a very strong force, just like sexual attraction. God knows how to separate a person from his or her behavior. His attitude toward each of us doesn't change no matter what we do because he loves us more than we can ever fathom. However, he does hold us accountable for our choices. I don't believe gay people go to hell for their "gayness" any more than I believe a prostitute goes to hell for her way of life. But I also don't believe they're going to live with God. You see, I believe exactly what 1 Corinthians 15 in the Bible says – that there's more to the hereafter than a simple heaven and hell; that there are degrees of glory. So is God sending gays to hell for their lifestyle choice? No way! But he will, as with all of us on judgment day, hold gay individuals accountable for the choices they make with the tools & weaknesses they've been given in this life.
The problem here is that I'm not so sure you think gays will be held accountable for the same things straights will.
Ralph,
You likely don't believe EVERYTHING in Corinthians, so why pick-and-choose a quote?
If Paul wrote it, do not read it as gospel. Paul had no direct experience with Jesus or his ministry and wrote just and only what he, Paul himself, felt and thought.
Unless of course Paul was receiving revelation.......I've heard prophets experience that on occasion. ;)
Well said.
I am waiting to see how this is argued from the other side.
Sounds like you have nothing against the "way" an individual is you only have issue with choices related to behavior.
Tough to argue with. Let's here from the LGBT folks as to why Ralph has it wrong.
Bob,
I'm not gay, but I'll respond. Ralph makes the same mistakes many Christians make. It's all pick-and-choose about which "sins" you oppose and which you'll ignore. That's why you hear so much about the gay "abomination" (like eating lobster and Alaskan king crablegs) and NEVER hear about the TEN COMMANDMENT SIN of adultery for divorcing and remarrying (unless your previous spouse already was an adulterer).
It's all HYPOCRISY just like the selection of a verse from a book he (highly likely) doesn't believe all of. (excuse the preposition at the end)
you have no idea what you are talking about .....
paul allen,
lol. So tell me you believe EVERY WORD of the Bible and are not a hypocrite who picks-and-chooses. lol.
Well that's just it isn't it? We're all colored with our own individual shades of hypocrisy.
I can tell you don't understand the difference in Judiasm and Christianity or the concept of the Old Testament covenant with God versus the New Testament covenant with God.
mamarabbit,
I can tell that you'd like to ignore that it is the SAME GOD in both testaments.
Yep,Observer, same God but you still don't understand the concept of old vs new.
mamarabbit,
Yes. Today's God is the same God who ordered the killing of children, babies and fetuses and believed that his followers should kill people for adultery, cursing their parents, etc. It's the same one who said that virgins who are r@ped should have to marry their rapist with no possibility of divorce.
Yep. It's the same unchanging God.
Ok, I may be attracted to men, and fall in love with men, but as long as I never have intimate relations for my entire life, God will love me. I can marry a woman, pretend I love her, ignore her as much as possible, and live a lie, but God will love me.
God will hate me if I am true to myself, my feelings, my loves, and my wants, even though I hurt no one by doing so.
Some God.
If you commenters are going to try and pawn off this guys stellar point on fundamental Christianity's hypocrisy on God changing up the game with Christ, then slow down and take a breath. If you really believed that, then you could just throw the Old Testament out and never read it again. It all doesn't matter, right? Christ took all our sins away. So don't worry about eating pork, or wearing a jacket made of two different fibers. Or adultery. Oh, except for that bit about gay people. That part matters. None of the other parts though. We'll just ignore those. But God was really serious about the gay thing. I know that for sure, because gay people are gross.
And Jesus never mentioned it at all, right? Sooooo........... I guess we just have no idea? Explain it to us then.
Waiting......
Being born without an arm or leg can in no way be compared to living a deviant lifestyle. Did God make a mistake when he made pedophiles? They claim to be born this way too.
The Flamingo Kid,
God criticized gays, but never condemned child molesters. He has his priorities.
I think being an ignorant loudmouthed asshole is much more deviant.
Moot point, moron. Think bigger than that little book, tool. God "made" pedophiles and homosexuals? What a small god you have, making beautiful people of all types and colors and abilities, then creating idiots like you who hate them. That is a pis-ant God who sounds alot more like some schmuck a few thousand years ago making rules for fun. Any "Creator: is beyond your comprehension, dork, so don't sit there for a second and dumb it down so that this god acts and thinks liker you and I. Ignorant jerk.
Ralph the bible is crystal clear that all liars will burn in the lake of fire and thieves, murders, adulterers, and homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God. Our only hope is to place our faith in Christ and repent and then we can spend eternity with God.
Uh huh,...and I have a book that makes it crystal clear that if I put a tooth under my pillow, a fairy will come and leave a quarter for it... The only way to rake in all that dough is to take a hammer and pound out all my teeth in the name of the Tooth Fairy...
And after that, since its obvious that the fairy is really rich and craves teeth,...I certainly think I'm doing the righteous thing by going out and spreading the word,...by bashing in the mouths of all my neighbors' as well,....they'll thank me for it later,...and eventually pass on these wonderfull traditions to their kids...
That's a rdiculous interpretation of what you think some divine being's will is there Ralph...
Saying "god may have made them crave to be gay at birth because of their genetics,...and that's OK,...but he'll only punish them if they ACT on those traits he created them with",....is kinda like saying, "giving a child a delicious piece of cake for their birthday isn't bad at ALL,...in fact, it's only natural,....BUT, since actually EATING that cake gets their face all messy,...and we think that looks gross and disgusting,...it's only just and good that we spank them hideously for doing so FOR ALL ETERNITY, in unending agony..."
Wow,..that makes SO much sense! I think I'll go become a Christian RIGHT AWAY!!!!
.......and a ghost got Mary pregnant, and Jesus walked on water, and thousands of people were fed by enough food for four and a body disappeared from the earth and Methuselah lived to the age of 969... and Santa was at my house the end of the December and the Easter Bunny is scheduled to arrive in two months... please, stop.
These denominations will marry same gender couples in 9 US States and the District of Columbia, and have married them in California:
The Association of Welcoming and Affirming Baptists
The Episcopal Church
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Metropolitan Community Church
Conservative Judaism
Reform Judaism
Religious Society of Friends (Quakers)
Unitarian Universalist Church
United Church of Christ
Anti-gays aren't true Christians. They aren't good Americans either, they are trying to TRASH the Constitution.
If the blind lead the blind they both fall in to a ditch, (Matthew 15:14) last time I checked the Ark was built by amateur's and the Titanic was built by professionals.......
Yeah? Then how come we have the actual wreckage of the Titanic, and not the Ark?
The fact that these denominations have accepted gays is irrelevant. IT just shows how they have strayed from the path of GOD and are NOT following the Bible, which CLEARLY condemns homosexual relations. Like I said, go make up your own religion and stop trying to change mine.
We're not trying to CHANGE your religion,...oh no....
We're trying to ignore it; we hope it eventually goes away...
It's disgusting...
When is the New World Order? I can't wait :D Slay them Christians!
Since when did Chic Fil A not serve gay people? Did we miss something? Wow, the gay population is less than 4% of the population and the normal people are supposed to sit by and do nothing? God’s word says ‘ love the sinner, hate the sin’. I do not believe we’re here to judge their sin, God will on judgement day! Time to repent and receive Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. John 3:16
Less than 2%
more like 10%, look it up.
Jews are less than 2%, so are Native Americans. Should we oppress them?
Gays make up 10%. Many "straight" people have gay $ex, but call themselves straight. Understand?
NC – The Bible does not condemn homosexuality when it is put in historical and cultural context and is read using reason, as Jesus did. If you disagree, please cite a verse.
Try actually reading the article. Then shove your 'normal' sideways.
Is there anything more ridiculous and pathetic than anti-gays WHINING that their intended victims are "the real bullies"?
Lots of griping in these comments about how the LGBT community tries to "bully" Christians. Just so it's clear, it's actually still the other way around in many areas, which prompts the LGBT to have to fight socially and politically for civil rights and the right not to be harassed. As for lifestyle "choices" - the "choice" comes in one's self-acceptance of the fact that one's own body responds only to the same sex, not the opposite sex. A gay person can't be any more straight than a straight person can be gay - it's just that simple. As for Dan Cathy, he can support or not support whomever he wants, and the rest of us can do the same - another simple fact. And each of us has the choice to be Christian or other, or religious or not religious - yet another simple fact, one that all the Bible-thumping in the world won't change. That's life, folks - grow up and accept it. Or not.
So where would we be if everyone had been gay before modern science? How would we have been able to procreate? If you take religion out of it, it still doesn't make sense for two men to be together or two women to be together. Period.
mamarabbit,
If you can't figure out how a gay man and a lesbian could not have figured out how to get her pregnant if they agreed, you might want to spend some time just thinking before responding.
So much for the concept of a committed relationship.
mamarabbit,
"So much for the concept of a committed relationship."
Committed relationship? Like that which a r@pe victim would have for her rapist who she was forced to marry forever according to God? The Bible doesn't have ONE BIT of sympathy for the victim of the lowlife. At least her father made a lot of money. Typical discrimination against women in the Bible.
You're gay. So can you shut up about being gay now?
Honestly, I don't want to hear about your sex life. It doesn't interest me in the slightest. Whether you like to do it doggy style, hate giving oral sex, enjoy S&M or pretend to be a school boy/girl, I DON'T CARE.
Notice how none of the activities I mentioned are preferentially gay or straight? TAKE THE HINT! You know what? I'M in the closet regarding how I like to have sex, too - I've never told which position I like, or how I do foreplay. And I don't want to hear about yours, either.
It may well be that if I - as a straight hetero male - told my boss IN DETAIL how I liked to have sex, he or she might well be offended by my personal style. But you know what? I DON'T DO THAT. Because it's none of their business.
If I came to the office party with my best straight male hetero buddy instead of a girlfriend, it'd be none of anyone's business why. Why can't your business be none of my business?
Please. I beg you. Keep your sex life none of my business. I'm just not interested.
James...you seem a little fixated.
Just saying you are gay or lesbian does not count as describing your sex life any more than saying that you're straight does.
No one here was describing their sex life.
You need to get laid. If you can find someone who can stand you.
No. You are missing the point. He is trying to say that he is sick of people wearing their sexuality on their sleeve. He is saying it is fine to be gay, but why do we have to keep hearing about it. At least that is what I got out of it. If you don't want to be judged on your private life ... then keep it private. Kinda simple.
I agree. Men and women kissing in public, holding hands, wearing those stupid rings claiming they are hetero.
It's disgusting.
You wouldn't BE hearing about it if the laws allowed them to have equal rights pertaining to marriage...
It's a civil rights issue that discriminates AGAINST gays... If it didn't,...then you wouldn't be hearing about it...
Help end the discrimination,...and you'll get your wish,...and so will everyone else who tired about hearing about the "gay agenda"...
Shut up about being gay? Because you can't separate sexuality from sexual behavior? Not on your life. I am sick and tired of people like you confusing the two subjects. If you see a straight couple in the grocery store, is your first thought "Wonder who's on top most of the time?" or "Do they practice (fill in the blank)?" Not likely. So why in God's name would you have the presumption to do this when you see or hear about a gay/lesbian couple? What is so riveting about their supposed sex lives that you would, or should, even care? You need counseling to help you get over your obsession with gay sex. Or maybe, you have a subconscious desire to experiment? Which is it, cowboy?
Yet you still read the article....hmmm....
I think what your problem is when you hear about someone being gay you automatically picture them having sex. If you read the article she said she was gay, she did not say which positions she likes the most.
If the people who have spent so many long years harassing the LGBT had not done so, there would be no Gay Activist Movement around to annoy you. What did you and others like you ever do to shut the aggressive bigots up? Nothing. What you must now live with are, in some part, the consequences of your own inaction.
I saw no mention of explicit bedroom practices in this article. For you to mention them is much more eyeroll-worthy than this article. Your mind is inferring all of these things from your own prejudices. You should keep it to yourself.
Something tells me you have a massively bad case of carpal tunnel.
wow. you so want to be gay...
I love how GLBT activists BULLY Christians and call them members of hate groups simply for having traditional views on marriage. I'm agnostic and could careless about the definition of marriage, but when stuff like this goes down I'm happy to be a new regular customer for Chick-fil-A. The only haters are the GLBT activists who try to protest and harass those with different views.
I wouldn't eat there if it was the last place on earth. I'd rather eat dirt......
Calling out bigotry and marginalization is bullying, now? That's adorable! Oh nooooo, christians are being persecuted, whatever shall we dooooo!
Idiot.
Name-calling, insults, mockery, your own special brand of bigotry and brow-beating. Sounds like Sam has a phD in bullying.
What's the matter, Wilson? Did you get your jimmies rustled? Why don't you tell me all about it.
More dumb Christians who don't even know what the words 'bigot' or 'bullying' even mean. So embarassing. Get an education!
Being intolerant of intolerance is not bigotry. Would someone who was against interracial marriage be a bigot?
And I love how Christian conservatives BULLY everyone else in the world who don't think like them. Liberals, gays, Muslims...it never ends with you people. Hide behind a book that supposedly teaches tolerance and love by forcefully reacting with hate and vitriol. Hypocracy knows no bounds. I hope there is a hell so that my non-believing soul can rot there with hypocritical and ignorant idiots like you.
Christians want to "impose" their religious beliefs on everyone else in this country by passing laws that would deny LGBT couples who also happen to be U.S. taxpaying citizens the right to marry their significant other. The LGBT community isn't demanding that the government force Christians to marry homosexuals. If Christians continue to believe marriage is between a man and woman than they can still promote that belief with other like minded citizens in this country. No one is trying to take that away from them. Again, if they do want to marry the same sex, they will not be required by law to do so. Now, remind me again who is the "bully" here?
The issue wasn't that Mr. Cathy had an opinion - the issue was that he was using his profits to fund initiatives to try to imbed his opinion in law and therefore force it on the lives of others..... huge difference. And no, until he entirely stops trying to get his religious view embedded into law, I won't give them my money to use. I also won't do so until they stop trying to claim they somehow own the words "eat" and "more" and bullying any other company that uses them - such as the "EAT MORE KALE" t-Shirt guy in Vermont.... who's small business they're trying to shut-down.
I'm a former Christian – now agnostic – and I can honestly say I've never been more bullied in my life then when I was a Christian. In fact, it's what turned me off of Christianity. So please spare me your "bullying" rhetoric. You're aware of the Vatican – the Capitol of Bullying – right?
what makes you think that Roman Catholicism has any thing to do with Christianity as found in the Book of Acts ?
First off Paul, that sentence didn't make any sense. I have no idea what you're trying to say. Because it sounds like you're trying to say Catholicism doesn't have anything to do with Christianity, which is non-sensical. Try again.
Congrats on the new baby, btw.
How dare you use the word "bully." You have no idea what it is like to be an LGBT person and to endure the hate and vitriol from so-called Christians all one's life. Some of us have put up with it for more than 50 years and we are tired, and not willing to take the abuse any longer. We are NOT bullying Christians. In fact, many of us ARE Christians. I am an active member of my church, along with many others who are LGBT. My church welcomes everyone, as Jesus embraced all kinds of people and never spoke a single word against gays. So don't any of you so-called Christians utter another word unless you really know what you are talking about. Few of you are good enough Bible scholars to know what the Bible really says about homosexuality and you are just repeating tired (and wrong) interpretations of Leviticus and some of Paul's writings. Better go back to school, girls and boys, because you are not being bullied. We are the ones who have been beaten, shot, killed, raped, and bullied all your lives by you.
If they were actually bullying Real Christians, actual followers of the teaching of Jesus, you could have a valid complaint. But very, very rare is the True Christian in the flocks of any American Church, and that leaves the serious activist wide latitude and plenty of fat, juicy and deserving targets like say, YOU.
More Christians who don't know what the word 'bullying' means. You're just dumb as hell.
One the one hand, I could be intolerant and only eat at restaurants whose CEOs believe exactly as I do. On the other hand, I could be tolerant and respect the fact that others may hold different opinions than me. That's what this comes down to.
That's not really all it comes down to when corporate funds are being used to try to push his agenda into law..... at that point buying their product is supporting their efforts to do that. I don't object to someone having an opinion I don't share - I DO object to them trying to force that opinion into law, and I'm damn well not going to give them my own money to use in the attempt to do so.... potentially enabling them to succeed in that effort.
blah blah blah just shut up it is a food restaurant just go eat and be on your way. Stop trying to make Christians to conform to your way they go by the Bible true Christians that is. If you really want to understand the Bible then pray to God to change your heart and open your eyes then read the New Testament if you don't you just won't get it. Just like reading a book on motor controls with no knowledge of it you wouldn't have a clue. Other than that you won't conform true Christians to your ways or make them except them however they will always pray for you. Just go eat your sandwich and stop running your lips they still serve everyone as long as you don't go in there and make a scene just like the wouldn't except a punch of punks going in there getting loud and crazy. As for attacking the BSA to except it it goes against youth protection policies. If that ban was approved we might as well let girls and boys go into the same bathroom at the same time sleep in the same tent together and let them take showers in the same bathrooms guess that would be just ok wouldn't it. Grow up liberals
Amen Tim!!!
Amen, you giant, arrogant, Christian douchebag!
Tim,
Speaking of understanding the Bible and "growing up", the BIble supports slavery, discrimination against women and discrimination against the handicapped.
Read it someday.
Once again Observer, you're showing that you don't understand the Old Testatment (covenant) with God and the New Testatment (covenant) with God.
Mamarabbit,...where, exactly, in the New Testament, does Jesus say ANYTHING about homosexuality?
What you see here is not anyone "forgetting" there's a difference between Old and New Testament,...what you see here is folks recognizing that all the "homosexual hatred" that spurs companies like Chik-fil-A to ACTUALLY DONATE to groups that oppose equal civil rights for gays,...actually COMES from the Old Testament,...and is OBVIOUSLY still being referenced and used for hate-crimes and discrimination against days RIGHT NOW!!!
That's why these folks are bringing up OTHER grotesqe bible attrocities from the Old Testament,...in camparison the the recent attrocities being committed RIGHT NOW...
Can't YOU see the difference here? Are you that dense,...or merely willfully ignorant?
Mamarabbit,...where, exactly, in the New Testament, does Jesus say ANYTHING about h.o.m.o.s.e.xuality?
You sound like an idiotic broken record!
What you see here is not anyone "forgetting" there's a difference between Old and New Testament,...what you see here is folks recognizing that all the "h.o.m.o.s.e.xual hatred" that spurs companies like Chik-fil-A to ACTUALLY DONATE to groups that oppose equal civil rights for gays,...actually COMES from the Old Testament,...and is OBVIOUSLY still being referenced and used for hate-crimes and discrimination against gays RIGHT NOW!!!
That's why these folks are bringing up OTHER grotesque bible attrocities from the Old Testament,...in camparison the the recent attrocities being committed RIGHT NOW...
Can't YOU see the difference here? Are you that dense,...or merely willfully ignorant?
Ooh, another tough guy who loves his Fox News.
What a steaming load of unmitigated crap! The issue was never that he's "Christian", the issue was that he was trying to use his profits to EMBED HIS BELIEFS IN LAW,. thereby imposing them on the lives of others who don't share them. Had he not done that, no one would have given a rat's ass what the man believes. But he used his resources to try to bully others into conforming to his personal beliefs by way of the law..... and THAT is what got him the negative attention, not simply "being Christian". I know a lot of Christians who try to live according to their beliefs - and I don't have any issue at all with the vast majority of them - it's only the fanatics who think that they're believing something gives them the right to demand that others join them in that who create a problem.
well said sir ......
Rock on Brother
"accept", Tim, NOT "except".
You might get your point across better if you worked on your spelling and English.
I find your comment very interesting. You basically say pray and that god will take away your gayness... Do you not think that every 13 year old kid that is/was struggling with who they are didn't try that? I know I did. I hate that I am gay but am past the point of beating myself up for it. I was raised in a Christian home and the fact that is if god exists he made me gay if he doesn't exist then it shouldn't matter to anyone else either...
Chick-fil-A tastes like hate.
I encourage everybody who cares about "liberty and justice for all" to continue boycotting this symbol of bigotry and oppression.
That's the best tasting hate I've ever eaten. Ready to go back for more. Get a life you big baby!
All this talk about hate, is making crave a chicken bigot, sorry meant biscuit.
This is 2013. The gay hating chicken sandwich was so 2012. Over it!