A Mississippi teenager is taking a victory lap after Gatorade announced it will change a minor ingredient in some of its popular sports drinks.
Sarah Kavanagh, a fifteen-year-old volleyball player and Gatorade lover, was drinking an orange Gatorade at home when she read about one of the ingredients in it. She dumped out the rest of the bottle right then and there, and began an online campaign to lobby the company to change formulas. The petition eventually drew over 200,000 signatures.
Brominated vegetable oil, or BVO, is used in a number of drinks to prevent the colors and flavors from separating. The article that Kavanagh read in Scientific American said that the ingredient has been banned in Japan and Europe, and that bromine is cited in chemical company patents as a flame retardant.
"I don't want to use a product that has [BVO] in it," she told CNN affiliate WDAM. "The Gatorade company in the U.K. doesn't use it; they don't think it's necessary. So obviously we can make the same product without this ingredient."
PepsiCo Inc, which makes Gatorade, says for the past year - before the petition began - it has been studying that very question, and performed "extensive sensory testing." Over the next few months, bottles with the new recipe will be phased in on store shelves, to replace the flavors like orange and citrus-cooler that used BVO. (Many flavors, like grape and fruit punch, never used it in the first place.)
Gatorade said in a statement, "While our products are safe, we are making this change because we know that some consumers have a negative perception of BVO in Gatorade, despite being permitted for use in North American and Latin American countries."
Michael Jacobson at the Center for Science in the Public Interest said he thinks the substance shouldn’t be used in food. He said in one test on animals, BVO caused a behavior change - although the test was done at much higher doses. "This substance has not been demonstrated to be safe," he said. "Unfortunately it's been very poorly tested."
The Food and Drug Administration reiterated that it considers BVO safe, at the low levels used in drinks. "Based on several long-term animal studies," said FDA spokeswoman Shelly Burgess, "the FDA has determined that BVO is safe and presents no health risks."
The substance is used in plenty of other drink brands. A quick trip to the supermarket showed it listed on the labels of Fresca, Fanta, Mountain Dew, Sun Drop, and some flavors of Powerade.
The makers of those drinks - PepsiCo, CocaCola, and Dr. Pepper/Snapple - assured CNN that the drinks are safe, and they each emphasized that they are in compliance with the FDA, and the ingredients are clearly marked on the labels. All three also said they are always open to reformulating their recipes.
Kavanagh is eager to enjoy her favorite sports drink again.
"I didn't expect all the attention to be brought to it," she said, "but I'm definitely grateful for it."
CNN’s Saundra Young contributed to this story
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Wow! This young girl started an online campaign to lobby the company to change formulas. The petition eventually drew over 200,000 signatures. Incredible. Way to go girl!
A teenager who already has a double chin shouldn't be drinking Gatorade at all. There's 14 grams of sugar in every bottle of Gatorade. You know those sugar packets at restaurants? That would be 7 packets of sugar per bottle. If you saw someone empty 7 packets of sugar into their coffee you'd look at them like they're insane. There's also a ton of salt, and artificial coloring. Despite the marketing, adding artificial colors, salt and sugar to water does not make it healthier than water.
@jonsonbog...why do you have to mention the girls double chin? She taking action for a good cause. You don't know her lifestyle and shouldn't make rude comments to a young person. Rise above your ignorance.
Your wrong it's 14 grams per serving (8oz), and 14 grams of sugar is not very much. The average cup of juice has 26 grams of sugar. Also most sugar packets for example McDonalds has 4 grams of sugar. Your right about the added salt though it's really for post workout re-hydration and not for people to drink who are sedentary.
Many other things in gatroade arent good for you either. All those grams of sugar, and so many kids are drinking 32 oz at a time! And its full of hfcs anyways, not real sugar. Who cares if the fda says it is ok for us, they are probably in kahoots with the cancer drug companies too. Blah. Stick to water.
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how about that about that?
i remember when the whoole breath mint thing and fake ingredient :) (forgot the name lol)
essentially vegetable oil.
and that is still being used, in the same original product as certs, (i believe)
well, hopefully i'll remember to check the label for bvo when with pick up gatorade.
i've already forgotten this story, (and nothing else to say on that lol)
hope gatorade frost doesn't have it, have to check again lol
good for her, 15 breaking in the consciousness of labels,
wish it could stick out like this in bigger ways
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It's a proven fact that 99% of all people who drink h2o die. We need to take this terrible chemical out of our water.
Actually all people consume water which is required for survival. This would mean actually 100% of people consume water. As humans are mortal then it must be understood that 100% of all humans will eventually die. So 100% of people the consumer water will eventually die. Not to sure where the 99% statistic was derived from.
You don't say???
Now ler's see Gatorade remove all the artificial food coloring from their sports drinks. It is very difficult to find one of these products that isn't made some bright color (marketing) by these food dyes.
We started using Rehydrate- no BVO or food coloring. The Mango-Pineapple is awesome!
I have a co-worker that consistantly goes through liter(s) of Mountain Dew most nights we work and admits to drinking as much if not more at home. In this article, the FDA "reiterated that it considers BVO safe, at the low levels used in drinks". What about higher levels? I know there are more people out there then just my friend that drinks more then 3 normal humans put together. We've expressed our concerns with my friend but at this point he's almost addicted to it and when he tries to slow down or stop, feels aweful. Sugar and caffeine addictions can be just as bad as alcohol for some. Back to the point, did the FDA take into consideration people like my friend when they made that statement?
She did something nobody on this whole thread has done. She got somebody to listen to her, a billion dollar company, and make them change their views. Now just sulk away and walk back over your troll bridges and wait for your next customer and your three-riddles challenge,
So how much exercise does this 15 year old do to drink gatoraid?
So much amen
Glad to see she draws the line at BVO. If she only knew what was in her "Happy Meals."...
I don't understand. It says that when she contacted Gatorade they told her they were already working on it. She didn't bring the matter to Gatorade's attention, she didn't find a new recipe for them, and she didn't do really anything besides start an online petition for an issue that was already being worked on. Why is she taking a victory lap?
Because if she hadn't started the petition, nothing would have changed. BVO would still be in that gunk. She's responsible for the change. Hence, victory.
fat people these days
The truth remains, as said earlier; A girl with a double chin isn't taking any type of lap.
I think it's great that an online petition had the power to influence a change in an ingredient of a product. One more use of the internet to produce change! Laura Daltry
Googling Monsanto should make you rethink your views on the FDA.
Gatorade is the least of our worries when it comes to substances we ingest in this country.
Good for the company for removing a controversial ingredient that isn't necessary. However, it seems likely to be much ado about nothing. It should definitely be studied more, but to refuse to drink the product seems to be an overreaction at this point.
It's so easy to boycott something that to NOT boycott it if you want it to change is an overreaction.
At least they she petitioned the company to make a change and not the government, That girl probably save millions of tax dollars the FDA would have wasted on testing and regulating.
Now if these companies would stop putting aspartame in their sodas, I could be a healthy fatso like my grandparents came here to be!
Love all the grandstanding about people need to stop eating X because it is a toxin, or boycott product Y because they think it causes some sort of deficiency.
Why do people assume that food producers are trying to kill them? The average lifespan keeps increasing thanks to advancements in the food and medical industry yet so many people want to look for the boogeyman.
How many people out there eat organically and drink only water yet still die at 51 due to heart disease, while the 450 pounder lives another 25 years with type 2 diabetes. How many interviews with 100+ year olds do we need to read that attribute their vitality to things like whiskey or smoking which are clearly harmful...
Your body has means of dealing with "harmful" substances, let's stop acting like Gatorade was caught with their pants down by a 15 year old girl who apparently can't use the internet.
And to those who started talking about vaccines and autism...do some research and stop listening to celebrities who don't know !@$%.
It is the way the stuff makes people feel – and perhaps act – and the consequences of those negative feelings that make some people more adamantly against the additives. I think it takes being able to truly be in touch with yourself or another in your care and knowing more about the foods or additives and their possible effects to be able to discern what products cause problems to be avoided – and which do not. No two people are exactly alike – I think that is where some of the major issues lie when and if others do not understand the controversy over the possible negative effects of some of these products on some people. Why is it so hard for some to understand that some people are more sensitive or reactive to the chemicals, and why the scorn for the concern over that which makes someone sick or feeling ill – especially when the possibility for those negative effects scientifically exists?
I was agreeing with you until you said "your body has a way of dealing with toxic substances".
Now you sound like that conservative nutcase who said "women's bodies have ways of shutting that whole thing down" when he spoke of rape pregnacies.
Sorry but you lost ALL legitimacy.
It does – it's called a liver. However, like everything else, it's not perfect, so it doesn't get all the toxic substances.
You forgot about the kidneys...
No, I didn't really . . . I figured that would be "information overload", and might have caused a mental meltdown on their end. ;)
The only reason people are living longer is because we are keeping them alive wirtth advanced medical care. We have the best medical care, yet rank near the bottom in health compared to the other industrialized countries. The current generations health is poorer than the previous and studies state they are unlikely to live as long. Face it, our food is shit. Most of it is over processed and loaded with cheap fillers. You can't trust most companies or the FDA.
Why so defensive?
You probably have not noticed the obesity issues in America nor the fact the the FDA is understaffed, overworked, underfunded... and a huge joke!
With advanced in medical technology, we could probably keep your heart beating until you are 200 years old... perhaps people – some – are living longer... this says absolutely nothing about the QUALITY of that life...
The sugar is the poison – take it out Gatorade.
Let me grab a bag of chips, this should be interesting.
Dude, don't eat those chips – they've got Olestra in them! Leakage man, leakage...
Mountain Dew contains the ingredient as well. I love the stuff, but maybe they should eliminate the ingredient as well!
this sort of attitude really troubles me. "bromine is a fire retardant, so i dont want it in my drink" – you arent drinking fire retardant you are drinking about 6 parts per million of a compound that contains an element that can be used as a fire retardant. And it's been proven safe. side effects havent been shown until someone that is hypersensitive to the chemical drinks 2 gallons of sodapop a day for long periods of time.Carbon and Nitrogen together make up cyanogen, the toxic base of cyanide. and yet carbon and nitrogen are both fundamental building blocks of life, and a substantial amount of your body weight is comprised of these two elements. Whats next? shall we ban evil dihydrogen monoxide? it kills thousands if not millions of people a year! (aka water)
The chemicals may be the same by name – but they are not the same as organic. The body apparently can tell the difference – and reacts accordingly.
Also – it matters that there is such a larger quantity of fluoride – as this is the most reactive of fluoride, chloride, bromide, and iodide. Since the weights of these salts is the same – they have the ability to get stuck where they are not needed – and have adverse health effects – if the balance of intake – and quite possibly the difference of natural vs. chemically derived compounds that react differently is consumed with overloads of – say – fluoride.
Anyone consuming Prozac – since it has a more toxic concentration of fluoride – needs to have strict dietary advice, guidelines, and support I would think – especially if not known whether they are highly sensitive to these chemicals or not.
Prozac was handed out like candy for so many years – one of the bigger pharma and co. evils – although I am sure there is more just as evil. I have even read you can find it in large concentrations in natural water areas – like lakes – and is hard to remove from drinking water.
As an individual with a chemistry degree, it makes me happy to see that so many people on here understand that the activity and characteristics of an individual element does not necessarily predict the activity/characteristics of an arbitrary compound containing that element. I'm glad to see that not everyone just blindly accepts what they read without checking the facts. Go chemistry! haha.
I have to fundamentally dis-agree with your first statement. Stating "The chemicals may be the same by name – but they are not the same as organic. The body apparently can tell the difference – and reacts accordingly." is simplye untrue. A molecular compound is just that – nothing more, and nothing less. Bromine versus bromide are different compoundis, but they also don't have the same name. It does not matter whether these compounds were created 'naturally' or artificially, the body will treat them the same, because chemical reactions are based on the atomic bonds, now how the bonds were formed, since the eneregy the bond holds is determined only by the physical chemistry. If there are higher or lower levels of impurities (other compounds mixed in) this can affect the bodies response, but its not the response to be basic compound but rather an entirely different compound.
I was highly unaware of BVO until this artcile – I don't drink gatorade or mtn dew with any great frequency (unless you use a fourier transform to describe my entire life's consumption – little nerd joke there), so I really don't care.
I'm also going to take the comments on the flame retardant one step further. Perhaps the girl should stop drinking water. Afterall, hydrogen is highly flammable and incredibly reactive – its also a the component of the standard nuclear fission reaction – talk about dangerous OMG!
That does sound true about atom being atom – but the logic I use in writing the statement you clarify so well (thank you for explaining better what you meant) – to me – logically – can also be seen that the body will react unnaturally to an unnatural substance – be it an organic molecule or synthetic molecule with the same name – the body will react organically or synthetically. This may not be true – but it may be for some – so therefore it could be a truth in logic.
Anyway – I never drink the stuff either – and have found pure cane soda much more refreshing – as well as organic foods and salts.
I don't know how you reach the conclusion that you are using "logic" – you aren't. His statement doesn't simply "sound" true, it is true. A molecule is a molecule, and your cells cannot tell the difference between a "naturally" formed molecule and a "synthetic" molecule of the same compound.
Where is your evidence that the body can or cannot tell man-made from natural molecules? It would really be nice if someone would actually present some data instead of just saying "I'm a chemistry major, so I'm right!"
my newest embodiment ... freak of nature ... defined by the ability to tell the difference between natural and man-made molecules in the human body
You are showing your absolute, complete ignorance of chemistry and biological systems with that comment. Any given chemical compound is a VERY specific combination of atoms, in a VERY specific configuration, with VERY specific bonding between the atoms – and that doesn't change, no matter how or where the compound was "made". And the biochemical processes in the body typically process very specific chemical compounds.
Based on your comment, if one gave you a source it would be a waste of time . . . because the information it contained would undoubtedly be "over your head".
maybe the problem lies more in labeling and understanding labeling then. And companies not labeling and not caring what happens when the man-made chemicals react with the bodies natural defenses against foreign molecules – which logically – an unnatural man-made and induced chemical reaction and replacement (like with prozac and serotonin theories of benefit and negative reactions of deadly side effects). The body can tell the synthetic difference – and reacts naturally – by trying to destroy it – which like with serotonin – is a big part of the human personality or psyche. What is so hard to understand about that for all you naysayers? please – have even one experience like those whom complain if they survive have – please ... i for one am tired of arguing about it because it is obvious to me – and is scientific fact – that what i know is fact – and naysayers are shills or sheeple or evil leaders of the pack ...
I understand your point, about people being fussy (pretty much the point I believe)... But I am sure you are able to see her side, if there is a safer and better product to be used in its place, why not make the switch? I see there is a lot of products used that affect our health, I am pretty positive that the point made here is that, if its considered unsafe somewhere else, why use it here? or if there is a possible health issue that the FDA missed, which isn't uncommon or unheard of that the FDA legalize or agree to something that's more profitable to CEO pockets and goes against our health. look at them agreeing with children taken psychiatric drugs, and the deaths its caused. look at the standards for health supplements thanks to Texas and FDA, they don't have to have in what's on the label in the product itself or do what the product is intended to do, and so forth over profit... so, in the end I agree with removing this product and that's because the people spoke up and they listened.. two thumbs up to Gatorade for resolving the issue rather then argue it.
In almost all cases, the answer to a question beginning with "Why don't they...?" is "money".
Remember, water is a fire retardant as well.
Yeah..............and water can kill you.
But (reports) of spontaneous combustion are way down so am thinking keep it in cause you all know what a problem that was getting to be.
Thank you... thank you...ill be here all week.
oh my gosh! BVO can be used as a fire retardant! oh nooos! guess what, water puts out fire too, and its used in many household chemicals and cleaners! double oh nooos! we should stop drinking water!
Please help America, stop licking the walls.
are you American? because if so, lead by example and don't discredit people about having an issue with what we consume. The people that are assumed to be wall lickers are the closed minded, naïve, and ignorant people lacking the knowledge of understanding. This girl wasn't the only one with the issue, but was the first to do something about it... what have you done? other then discredit a person who isn't afraid to make a difference, even a small one because in the end every small change will correct the big picture. Do you understand what I am getting at? I am not discrediting you, but I am discrediting your attempt to discredit a 15 year old with an issue and did something about it.
Thank you Gatorade for listening to the people, companies that do this will be more respected and appreciated. I am also thanking Sarah Kavanagh for standing up for what she believes is right.
I think the problem is Gatorade is not listening to /science/ which says, "In the quantities in which BVO appears in this drink, it is safe." People's opinions, perspectives, knowledge, and attitudes do not necessarily reflect objective reality; science shows what objective reality is. I have actually stopped drinking Gatorade as a result of fostering such "bad science".
You don't get it, do you?
The US has some of the most lax laws and regulations pertaining to the food that you eat. The UK has it right. Perhaps we should elevate our standards, too.
That is not necessaily true. Look up Thalidomide. The US was one of the first to ban it And there are many drugs available across the borders that are not available in the US. Each has their own standards and priorities. I wouldn't say we are lax, just focus in different areas.
Rather, the UK has it dead wrong. If you don't like what is in your food, grow your own, make your own, or buy something else. Vote with your dollars, every problem can be solved with capitalism.
What we need are less regulations. We don't need certifications for lawyers, doctors, plumbers, or any other profession – they exist only to protect the jobs of those currently in the profession and do not improve the quality of it any more than free market economics and a professional's own reputation would accomplish. At least with unions, they're honest about what they do.
This isn't the TEA PARTY RANT BLOG... go take your meds like a nice little boy and grow up!
BVO is not a fire retardant – bromine is. This girl must be failing chemistry or its being taught by a liberal weenie teacher instructing in junk science. Because some chem company lists it in a patent as the fire retardant ingredient is rather completely unrelated to anything else. Clorine gas will kill you, yet sodium-cloride is essential to your life. I'm surprised she's not also trying to boycott salt. Although if she did it might reduce her water retention and should lose some frickin weight!
EXACTLY. People come up with "a cause" just to gain notoriety.
This girl needs to get a better grip on the English language. When 'inated' is added to a word, the word becomes a verb in the past tense. And in this case a process, not an ingredient.
And yet, Gatorade is changing it.
I'm confused. Are you making an analogy that, by saying Gatorade is removing BVO, which we know to be true, that his statement that the girl is a moron is also true? It's a bit of a leap, but at least you arrive at the correct conclusion.
As long as it's still an effective hangover cure, I don't care what's in it. That's the only time I drink the stuff...
I never drink the stuff. Coca Cola is my drink of choice, it helps to dilute stomach acid which is so strong it is known to dissolve horse meat, LOL
That's great they got rid of the chemical with studies that show it's safe, and probably replaced it with another chemical that's less well studied. Great job.
"Safe" according to the US. But, not in other countries. Tell me, why is that?
I wonder what salt that they use for melting snow is made of?
Is it the same salt on roads, highways, etc., that is used on sidewalks?
... pass the seaweed ... please!!!
i've decided to use organic spices on my popcorn from now on – like garlic – or chili powder – something like that.
Rethinking the teflon and plastic of the popcorn maker – still tasting the ionized salt from THAT experiment which made me feel stiff and achy and screachy inside my brain ...
spitting is a blessing if done in appropriate ways and understood when not.
egad! Wonder what snow and ice removal salt does to people and the environment???
will a lot of salt be used to clear the blizzard? or simply snow plows? interesting.
are you eating the salt off teh roads or something? sand also melts ice. you know, that same sand they pull your seaweed out of.
salt melts ice. sand does not. sand is applied to the roads in order to increase traction. are you from the south?
Salt can only melt ice up to a temperature of -10 degrees celcius after which point it no longer has any effect.
Sand is put down in the morning by the plows for traction, but as it heats throughout the day it causes the ice to melt faster than it would unsanded due to the higher reflective properties of clear ice vs sanded ice.
you both must be americans.
canadians will always know snow better
"The article that Kavanagh read in Scientific American said that the ingredient has been banned in Japan and Europe, and that bromine is cited in chemical company patents as a flame retardant."
Really? because water is a good flame retardant too. So is sodium bicarbonate which is used in baking. Just because it has "flame retardant" capabilities doesn't mean its bad for you.
"The Food and Drug Administration reiterated that it considers BVO safe, at the low levels used in drinks. "Based on several long-term animal studies," said FDA spokeswoman Shelly Burgess, "the FDA has determined that BVO is safe and presents no health risks."
So I guess those studies mean nothing to the uneducated consumer. The name sounds bad! lets ban it!.
They also stated that FenFen, Paxil, and Chantix were good too...
... not a lab rat!
silly scientist – need to learn that.
Are you sure? Lab rats will eat anything you put in front of their face, humans are a bit more discerning. From the sound of it, you don't trust the scientists claiming things are safe, but you want things banned from foods because... you'll eat anything put in front of your face? Or will you be human and read the label and make an informed choice?
The part that truly sucks – still have to deal with the stuff in others and the illnesses that it causes – whether i personally consume it or not or if I do not know or understand what is in the product and what reactions are possible and consume the product myself. Labels are not always available – especially when others are cooking. Docs, etc., are to blame as well – for taking advantage of the situation and causing more harm for their benefit or because they are too corrupt to care about possible negative effects of what they prescribe or do not attend to negative effects in terms of followup care or attend to the negative effects by causing more negative effects for as long as they can – to make more money ...
It does truly suck – because all these years now – and all these people sick – and made sicker – for the benefit of capitalism and corruption and political and economic control – and all these docs said almost nothing yet basically aided and abetted the corrupt and deadly disabeling schemes. How many people complained – and complained – and complained – and were basically told to shut up – sit down – and take your medicine or leave us alone or go to jail – and the courts enabled them in their malicious ruin of the USA health – and still do – and still will. Why did PepsiCo really decide to change this one product?
I'd take anything the FDA says with a big grain of salt. For a company that's supposed to be for the public good they sure seem to side with the corporations a lot; funny how pretty much every single one of their former directors in the past few decades has gone on to a multi-million dollar drug or food company job after finishing their time at the FDA.
The people who reported the false claims about Prozac – are probably the people who have hired these people. They should all be in jail. How does an average american citizen have them tried for accessory to homicide, suicide, and the disability of (probably) millions by allowing this one med to be lied about for so very long – and even approved for children – when the tests results included people jumping out of the hospital windows during the tests, and its basis for action is fluoride – which is a poison??? I have lost all respect in this FDA run system from that one med alone. Those responsible for the malious lies, deceipt, and criminal neglect should be in prison for the rest of their lives.
There was one reason and one reason only for the manufacture and corrupt promotion of Prozac: The ultimate take over of the NRA (and the USA people). Prozac is made by a foreign country afterall – one that has always tried to control US.
Seems like some people dumped prozac overboard like the tea a few centuries ago – only thing is – it ended up in the drinking water.
Tea has fluoride in it too I think – no wonder they pushed that so much too – some thinks never change.
The lies and corruption and deception runs so deep within the system – and the political atmosphere pushes the public into fear and distrust and hatred of others – when it is they themselves who are to fear and distrust by their pushing the fear and distrust and hatred on the public. And they do this so obviously – that you can sit here and write about it continuously – and people will applaud every little seeming step in the 'right' direction – yet – you can also sit here and know that they are laughing their a..... off because it is yet another ploy in their game of causing problems so that they can seem like heroes when they ride in with their silver knights to save the day – once again – yeah and hooray for US – we did something 'right' for a change (wink – wink) – and you sit and watch them playing their deadly games – and trying not to let them drive you insane or expend you (because then they win – it is their game – and that never changes). And for icing on the cake – if you say anything about it – or try to change it – they tell you and everyone else that you are crazy. good ol' US of A.
I'd take anything the FDA says with a salt block!
Corporations OWN THE FDA!
You really equate water to a manufactured chemical?
check your facts man... Dihydrogen monoxide: is a terrible compound.
the substance is the major component of acid rain and contributes to the "greenhouse effect".
it may cause severe burns and is is fatal if inhaled.
Not only does it contributes to the erosion of our natural landscape but it accelerates corrosion and rusting of many metals.
It may cause electrical failures and decreased effectiveness of automobile brakes.
Yet we use it all the time
I think we should ban it
How about dropping the sugar drinks and going with something healthy such as a balanced diet and clean water? I never understood why people are drawn to Gatorade and drinks like it, they arent' good for you regardless if they have bromide it them or not.
Reevaluate recommended diets to make sure iodine is present in correct amounts in food in pregnant and nursing mothers and baby formulas.. Reevaluate ionized salt to make sure it truly works as needed. Do not let kids (inform moms to be and nursing as well) eat red dye and other food colorings and additives that cause mental definiciencies and abnormalities. Stop trying to cover for vaccines – make them right so they do not cause health issues – enough with the corruption and lies and making something unnatural to take the place of natural foods that do a better job than the vaccine or food additive could.
use seaweed as substitute for what is now in geletin – jello – etc. (that stuff is toxic). Teach the safety aspects of seaweed – which there are – so read about it before taking this advice.
teach americans more about salts and sugars and chemical additives – stop shoving the worst toxins in kids foods – buy adult food for kids as kids foods are cartoonish for a reason now – unless the manufacturer has already made their foods more kid healthy. Teach diet and nutrition in schools at every grade – as needs change as age changes – make sure the training is not filled with corporate lies and propaganda and chemical laden food recommendations.
reevaluate all institutionalized diets – like school lunches – focus on salts, sugars, and chemical additives for much needed improvements for overall health.
Find that new industrial fertilizer that will not kill the planet and it's people now – not later ... enough waiting to see if the world is going to end ... why push it?
in simply learning more about these 4 salts as i have just done – not at indepth level
it makes me wonder if autism is not truly caused by too much bromine, flouride, chloride, iron, and other heavy metals and too little iodide to flush the toxins out.
If autism has seen a tremendous rise in conjunction with the bromide pesticide and instecticide use, etc. (i'm not a chemist nor am i studied on this stuff obviously), since ... when? ... and the government still has not come up with reasons nor answers ... when the problem is fairly obvious if you do know even a little about these chemicals and their effects on the human body ... then why so many USA problems now on a massive scale that affects the world as well.
no words to describe how it feels to this happen and be affected by it – mental illness just by watching it continue to happen. Is there a way to reverse this which is causing the downfall of our nation .... and the world?
Autism is caused by genetics. It isn't caused by pesticides any more than it is caused by vaccinations. We have higher diagnosis rates for autism now, not because the actual rate of incidence is higher, but rather because we're doing a better job at screening for it. Thus, more recent autism statistics now properly count all the people with milder forms of autism who previously would simply have been dismissed as "moody" or "slackers".
Well that is politics for you.
Labeling people who aren't sick – sick
and ignoring the ones who are sick
based on cost analysis of what category
is less expensive to treat –
money input in gov. paid health non-care.
This is true – facts are there.
It is all money – power – greed – prejudice – and corruption.
Use these people for research purposes and to feed the system – support the privatized penal system
It is a game and a way of life (to them).
it could be genetics
(another money maker).
Or it could be a form of Celtic or Asian or ... disease
There are different salts recommended:
Celtic, Himalayan, etc.
Things to think about.
Fluoride is poison, simply. It should not be in anybody's water. There is a massive lobby blocking any serious research into just how dangerous it is. I just moved to a place that uses fresh well water with no additives and I buy non-fluoridated toothpaste at the health food store. I won't buy iodized salt either. You get plenty of iodine just from eating a balanced diet.
Fluoride was used and is used by governments to dumb down and subdue the population – like the Nazis. The USA is criminally negligent in poisoning the population with its fluoride policies.
Prozac is seriously depresseng with its corrupt fluoride based deceitful control of the USA mental health sysem.
if we knew half of what was in our food, we'd probably never eat or drink!
The military's problem with self-inflicted deaths could probably benefit greatly by paying close heed to the bromine, fluoride, and chloride chemicals in their members' diets – and recommend and provide more foods and beverages that replenish the body's natural need for iodine – instead of the bromine, fluoride, and chloride that might currently be replacing iodine. This will help to relieve mental illnesses.
Have them exercise and sweat more as a built in reflex to suicidal thoughts – and train them to eat sea salt and sea foods rich in iodine – and not contaminated with other heavy metals and toxic chemicals.
Make this is a war against the poisoning of the USA population by the USA population – as we are ultimately in control of this. Do it NOW – for everyone.
Do NOT allow fluoride, bromide, or chloride intensive ingestion as is seen prevalent in USA civilians even though it is a detriment to the wellbeing of societies.
Because the suicides have nothing to do with the situations they're put in, right? No, not at all....
No – some of them are happening to veterans who haven't even been in combat zones- or overseas.
So that is not the entire problem – yet bromide can cause psychosis, suicidal ideation, and homicidal behaviors.
It is in a lot of products that are consumed – if added stressors from military – and added intake from military environment – then could be one of the causes.
Yes – the combat environment is harsh – but that is not the only cause.
Did you really think I only meant combat? No....there's much more to the military that can be very, very stressful for those in it.
I didn't know what you knew actually – but knew that there are MANYstressors in the military – not just for the military veterans.
Just the thought of the military is stressful for some. Their missions are stressful, the environment is stressful to some, and there is a overriding loss of ability to think independently or have independent free will to some degree for some. The loss of personal control and responsibility for someone trying to be an adult – and inabiity to understand the big picture is stressful and depressing don't you think? That is how it feels like when you deal with the system as a civilian sometimes – looking in from the outside to the decisions of the government that affects all – even if only to regulate in the best interest of we the people vs. they the corporations – like the FDA.
I was surprised to see pepsiCo listen to the requested changes – yet even more pleased to see part of the solution to an illness event from this type toxicity I am trying to figure out a way to avoid if possible – yet didn't understand fully the big picture – so struggling against the tide of lies and political oppression – to get the truth. Also need to know so I can tell others better ways so they will be healthier – since noone else will give me or them the real understanding we need to survive.
the veterans are being subjected to training that inudates them with salts in disportionate amounts to their well-being.
after each one of these toxic events – they need to be trained to detox to healthy state in order to maintain wellness.
have all these professional chemists, doctors, biologists, and geologists, and psy-ologists get together pronto and come up with a plan that is for we the people by we the people who want we the people to survive (not just them).
Inform the public of the true information and diet plans – and get pepsiCo to create a beverage that is in total balance with the needs of the human body (not a rat or something).
tangent: thinking 666 are three comets? there are major people coming to power in this sunspot 666 time period hypothesis theory – sunspot 1666. go to spaceweather.com for updates on the weather ...
Have all these professional chemists, doctors, biologists, and geologists, and psy-ologists get together pronto and come up with a plan that is for we the people by we the people who want we the people to survive (not just them).
Inform the public of the true information and diet plans – and get pepsiCo to create a beverage that is in total balance with the needs of the human body (not a rat or something).
Tangents: thinking 666 are three comets? There are major people coming to power in this sunspot 666 time period hypothesis theory – sunspot 1666…
Go to spaceweather.com for updates on the weather…
666 is symbol for fish – 3rd factor
is there a fourth?
Sunspot 1666 – 1 is for the sun
Remember Tang? It was made to go into space by NASA wasn't it?
Shopping List: Check out sea salt, Tang (wonder if it is still available – read ingrediants anyway to see what is in it), and sea food – the japanese eat seaweed wrapped sushi all the time, or just seaweed products. And pure water ... (figure out what is best pure water ...)
I forgot the shopping list – but seaweed is an interesting food.
The japanese have these little crackers with seaweed in it.
They also (as does a lot of the world) make geletin from seaweed.
SeaWeed is a natural source of Iodide, which is needed for thyroid functioning, and is used in health aspects of radiation therapies and x-ray imaging.
There are many aspects about seaweed that should be studied to understand better the whys and hows and all the safety aspects of seaweed before consuming in massive amounts. There is this thing that I do not fully understand yet – the recommendation for massive iodine intake – tapered to normal intake and reduction to normal levels of other salts. This is discussed on wiki – but needs to be better understood – for this type recommendation.
Geogal – I apologize – I didn't mean to be rude.
I have gotten to reading about halite – and looked at images of rock salt lamps – and read more about their health benefits.
Very interesting reading indeed – thank you for pointing me in that direction – has not got to chloride yet...
Anyway – i was thinking more about seaweed and the military and thought about how the Japanese eat a lot of sea weed – as do their neighbors – so thinking that if military stationed there – they should eat as well – because the natives eat it and they are well. Maybe needs to be considered in other areas to – like if a culture typically eats certain foods to maintain their health – it could be naturalized diet for that area of the world to maintain optimum health.
And like if soldiers here in USA are eating a diet that is making others ill – than they will get ill too.
Things to consider to understand better…
the situations could and probaly does include their diets
Also...you know what NaCl is right? Sodium CHLORIDE.....
Guess you better avoid regular old salt....see how well you do with that.
i still have to do more reading to understand salt better – but iodine is the natural salt of the body from what i've read
There are a lot of different salts; "Iodine" is not a salt though, it's an element and salts are compounds. If you mean iodized salt, that's still NaCl with some sort of Iodine salt is added. Halite/Soldium Chloride is a common kind of salt and the kind used to make table salt (NaCl). Potassium Chloride aka "Sylvite" is also a salt and commonly used in "diet salts" for those on low sodium diets; it also tastes bitter. Both are also common salts necessary for the human body to function, in the right amounts. Iodine is required by the body for other reasons.
There's plenty of other salts out there though, some fine for us to ingest, some not.
yes – see i didn't understand that part yet – i think i said persumably ionized salt or sea salt might work better.
I don't know actually – i have been avoiding salt for so long – still have the same blue canister of ionized salt i've had for years now – although i did actually put it next to the popcorn maker i recently bought since the microwave popcorn is so toxic ...
so – thanks for informing us more about this. What is in sea salt? I meant to buy some today – and forgot.
i'll be back ...
You don't understand it...yet you're making "hypotheses." Hypotheses are supposed to be "educated guesses." That is, if you're ignorant of the subject, your hypothesis is not a hypothesis.
ok – so then i'll call it: in my USA educated guess hypothesis – will that clear the issue up? we'll refer to it as USAEG Hypothesis to differentuate it from – "... we have no idea why their killing themselves, sir."; Sir: "well carry on then" – Hypothesis to make things quite clear.
Or use what you actually do know when coming up with guesses. Or....wait, and research the basics that you don't know. For instance...which salts are required by the body and why. You didn't know that, but you were ready to tell people what salts they should have and what salts they shouldn't have,how much they should sweat, etc. I bet you don't even know if the chemical you're against is excreted in human sweat, yet you suggest they sweat more to get rid of it. You don't even know if it's in the diets of military personnel. but you're ready to insist it's the problem.
Leave it to those who actually have the knowledge required to assess the situation; your conspiracy theories help no one. Imagine if people immediately believed your baseless assertions and failed to continue assess the mental health of the military based on the actual, relevant information.
why would they do that? If they did that and had any control of the situation – without checking out the reality and science and getting their team of professionals to give them expert advice they shouldn't be in charge any way.
besides – i'll i recommended was exercise, sweat, pure water, seafood, and the right balance of salts and iodine
all pretty basic don't you think
sorry if i sounded so professional
i usually talk like this so no one actually thinks i know what i'm talking about
but someone else when i started talking about this stuff chided me for not talking prof. like
so – there you have it
now i'm getting chided for talkin all prof. like and all
.... can't win can ya????
anyway – rest is needed too – especially when the adrenals are overloaded from overwhelming stress.
meditation and yoga are recommended and work well for this. if not – learn to relax
teach them NOT TO KILL themselves – in other words – better to sleep for a few days – then to kill yourself
here is another one – don't make it such a stigma to have a mental illness
why do people expect the brain to stay healthy in unhealthy environments?
and ... if the environment has to be one of war in order to have war – then that environment is rather easy to create
don't you think???
i still have to learn more about salt – but please – feel free not to share as you may be a shill – unless you want to prove otherwise ...
I already told you about salts, and no that wasn't all you said. You said to avoid anything with chloride in it....which would include NaCl, despite that it's a necessary mineral in our diets.
Again, if you don't know the information, don't go around acting like you do.
learn EFT – emotional freedom technique
this can be done on-line on youtube videos
pay heed not to over due quick method hand techniques like they tell you not to in the videos
these people are not going to want to ask for help now anyway – which is what prez. must have wanted in first place to cut costs – so these helpful tips can be provided to them AT LEAST – and someone who knows about sugars and salts and human health and is not a shill could figure this out since they probably already know and let the rest of us know ... otherwise – figure it out yourself as best you can since everyone is different in this respect to some degree I would think
geogal – you simply misunderstand me
if you want to understand better what i have said – then read what i said again
what i have said is sound advice – and you keep complaining because I don't know that much about salt – which I keep saying.
thanks for the input – now go play – chow
I have read what you said, perhaps you should do the same? And perhaps you should reread what I said. Then, perhaps, you will understand.
you are annoying aren't you?
what company do you work for?
i have google and wikipedia at my fingertips when i'm up to researching salts and sugars and human health.
Oh, of course, the old "what company do you work for?" Paranoid aren't you?
what are you trying to prove?
that you are a jerk?
you are right – what would make me think you work for anyone?
ok – well maybe you misunderstand.
next time you harp on me – why don't you show me the exact quote from where i actually said don't consume chloride and I will try to help you understand what I said better. My understanding at this point is that seaweed is good ... yum ... made me feel better right away.
I know your kind....anytime anyone has the knowledge to know what a laugh conspiracy theories are must "work for a company that benefits from it."
I have no idea where you get that in any of my posts actually.
I have simply discovered more about salts and sugars and human health in relation to corporations and politics and the USA government in relation to bromide, fluoride, chloride and iodide – and am simply relating what I do know to this new found knowledge – and in doing so am understanding more about it – (which even you say I should do to satisfy your need for me to be perfect in your eyes) – which is about the things I talked about – which isn't much actually – as it is all fairly common sense.
I think you misunderstand my new found knowledge of these salts – which i freely admit – as your right to assert yourself and your knowledge into the conversation. If you would please stop harping on me – and provide your version of reality in regards to whatever conspiracy theory or knowledge of salts and sugars and human health – or whatever – except me – then – please – be my quest.
other then that -you are being a troll – please stop – thank you
well – I started my search in learning more about sugars and salts with reading up on Skittles – which I saw was contained in MRE packages (sometimes). I thought it would be an easy place to start.
I can see where the extra calories might be needed in MRE's, but what is disturbing are the chemicals in the food colorings, etc. Even having them sit in the skittle bag – which would be my next step in researching skittles and effects on mental health – after sitting in hot MRE cans – or for a time – might add more unintended and unwanted chemicals.
I think if the military actually looked at the chemical mixes of the products themselves – they might recommend other products for MRE's on the basis of awareness of affect on mental illness.
what is truly sad is that you can immediately read that the red dyes in particular – and others surely – cause hyperactivity etc. in kids – which has then helped to lead a national edemic of ADHD requiring a whole billions of dollars worth of meds – doctors – research – and then add many billions more to the lives ruined by having ADHD – and you can see that many have and had reason for concern – and that if this was once a conspiracy theory – it has been proven to be true – yet there you see it – in a picture of MRE's. I personally can only eat a few skittles before I do not eat them again for a very long time – and then I might eat another – and remember how it is so unsatisfying with just the sugar content alone – so for me it has never been about conspiracy theory – but about how things made me feel.
so – that's as far as i've got ...
skittles has these new colors now that are darker in coloring – and i didn't read about it yet – but saw briefly mentioned that the colors don't match the flavors. so now i guess you can't even pick the red ones out i bet their thinking – go ahead – guess where the red is now?
I thought of a candy I sometimes crave in the hard candy variety like skittles – and the only one was Hot Tamales.
So I again went to wiki and looked at Hot Tamales and started to follow the link for the salt contianed in that which led to discover that it is also in Mac and Cheese – which I hate – so stopped. You can not get very far when you follow these chemicals before you get to something you totally hate if you are someone who is adversly effected by these chemicals.
I think I just like the taste of cinammon actually – which I made myself aware of in thought the last time I craved Hot Tamales (because I knew I dd not actually want them) – and started eating plain cinammon instead on more frequent basis – which is supposed to be a very healthy spice from what i've read and how i do like it. I have not researched cinnammon candies or items that can go into an MRE that would be healthy – but providing something more healthy in that category might be possible – i do not know.
Increased Military Suicides – Solutions Needed Quickly!!!
Here is one:
1. Detox all military immediately of bromine and replace with iodine.
2. Do NOT under any circumstance – prescribe them SSRI's, esp. Prozac, nor ANY of the other meds. WAKE UP!
3. They need to sweat more and then not replace that sweat with more bromine, chlorine, and fluoride – eat seafood, seaweed, and presumably ionized salt or perhaps sea salt works well...
To this individual that keeps appearing names "Thoughts".
You really need to stop speaking about military suicides, because it has become increasingly apparent that you haven't the slightest idea on the subject. While everybody's experience in the military differs, I can without a shadow of a doubt inform you that the chief concern for the increasing rate of suicide is not table salt or even a lack there-of of sweating. Try looking at the inherent mental stresses on every single one of the jobs as well. Saying you, as a non-veteran civilian, can even begin to claim that you can understand what needs to be done militarily is a joke, simple as that.
You think that soldiers need to sweat more? Do you not realize how physically demanding physical therapy is (which generally leaves everyone drenched in sweat, at least when I was in), not to mention how physically demanding most of the occupations in the military are? Besides pointing that out, let's ask the obvious: Do you really think the deployed soldiers need to sweat more than they already do?
Lastly, on a strict side-note, just because you 'researched' something on wikipedia or peeked on google doesn't make for splendidly structured arguments. Especially Wikipedia, I hate how people believe everything they read on that site.
I know the military life is stressful – but some of these people are committing suicide when they are out of the service. Maybe that is a problem – maybe they are used to sweating the toxins out – and then they don't get as much structured exercise – or sweat as much – but yet the diet has become a norm – so the lack of detoxifying as much – or not having the same balanced diet or whatever – could be a cause of illnesses that affect everyone else in civilian world – as well as military world.
Just a thought, anyway, I did also mention that rest and yoga and EFT (emotional freedom technique) and resting adrenals (should research those more) was also a key to coping in such a stressful and/or differing situations. And looking at the diet and exercise differences to make sure staying balanced. anyway – i can understand why you may have been upset at the info – i was – and am – but i am pleased to know better how to cope and survive in healthy manner based upon my newfound deeper understanding of salts, still understanding of course – and sugars, and additives in relation to mental health. Sorry i was so anxious to share the news of possibly a way to look at things differently or more in-depth for a possible solution and deeper understanding.
I like wiki because you can learn a lot of factual type info – and skip through the terms like the internet – except you still get wiki – with more factual info. It makes learning easier for me – altho there are many differing tangents – i can usually understand better that way by relating new facts to something I may already have some understanding or knowledge of.
II have always enjoyed reading encyclopedias – although I always questioned all of them.
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Fatty needs to worry less about the BVO she drinks, and more about the cake she crams in her face.
Why are you so mean to this kid? Is that what school age kids have to suffer through every day from their peers at school because of some government sponsored brain washing campaign to demand our kids start consuming more products with bromine in and on it. They already inudate these kids with flouride and clorine and bromine – and recommend the loss of consumption of regular salt. I mean – our government actually promotes diebeties, cancer, heart problems, nuerological disorders, and mental illness – with impunity – and then turns its back on kids and their parents screaming couse they cannot survive in the environment as it is that they cannot escape from – since the poison is in most things consumable. The USA government is criminally neglectful to the world when it comes to bromine – and to the USA for the flouride and chloride toxicity in this nation through the water supply and some meds – like prozac.
Someone had to say what we were all thinking.
She has no business drinking Gatordade in the first place. It's a sports drink made for atheletes.
I, on the other hand, will gladly finish this BVO laden Mountain Dew. It hasn't killed me nor shrunk my testes.
I think you're wrong about the testes. Your last girlfriend had to buy a magnifying glass. Everything in that area ( along with your brain) had shrunk.
Great ad-hominem. Your parents should be proud.
Here's a kid who's trying to do something to benefit us all and you want to bash her because she isn't skinny? Get a life, you ignorant donkey's behind. Post pictures of your kid and let's she how homely he / she is. You don't know this girl's life or whether or not she's trying to lose weight. Keep your nasty comments and your ugly heart to yourself.
I wonder if she knows water is a solvent...
I'm not saying that BVO is necessarily good, but I get tired of the "omg did you know that chemical is used in (insert inedible substance here)????" as the basis for what is and isn't safe.
I think it was wise of her to make that choice and make gederade safer.
You ever wonder why kids these days can be so wild and crazy, and how your parents are always saying "You kids these days are so much more disobedient than we were when we were young?"? This could be the reason why, at least in the USA
I don't think that one ingredient could be that harmful. I mean, than if it was, than we would have a LOT less ingredients in a LOT less drinks. I really don't mind that ingredient.
Can I interest you in some soylent green?
I really don't think it matters because fast food is what is really bad for you not Gatorade. There is one bad ingredient in Gatorade but there is a lot of bad ingredients in fast food.
I dont drink gatorade that much, but when i do it is usually during a volleyball or basketball game. I think if there is something bad in gatorade people maybe shouldnt drink it until it official that BVO is not in it. If poeple want to drink gatorade they can, but its not really good for you.
I think it's good for her to stand up for what she believes in. She should be proud! I stopped drinking Gatorade a long time ago because it was making me sick to my stomach. Schools if they do sell Gatorade should take it off the shelves until Gatorade fixes the problem.
I think that they should get rid of that in gatorade. I think they should because it is a bad drink for you. That is why we should get rid of that.
Well, I totally agree with the company agreeing to remove the preservative BVO. But that girl should know that Gatorade is only for people who do a lot of working out and sweat a lot. When you sweat a lot, you lose the electrolytes, and sodium, etc. who need to replenish those things. I think that girl just wanted attention. She even said so in her video. But, totally agree with her, But DRINK WATER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gatorade is good for you if you are active. It is not good for you if you drink it and not do anything. So i think they should change some ingredients so that it is good for you when you are ether active or not.
I think she's a genius for what she did. And all the people who are making fun of her size should stop she didn't do anything to you. she's a teenager and doesn't need all of you people to bullie her. Give her a brake!!!
I drink a lot of Gatorade I hope it don't mess up the taste. Gatorade is a cool energy drank. I love the taste of Gatorade.
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