Editor's Note: Steve McDonagh owns and operates Hearty Restaurant and The Hearty Boys Caterers with his partner, Dan Smith. In addition to winning the first season of Food Network's hit series "Food Network Star," Smith and McDonagh live in Chicago with their son, Nate.
I am not a Dan Cathy basher. I respect Chick-fil-A's Chief Operating Officer for taking an honest stand and putting his business in the line of fire by clarifying the company’s stance on gay marriage.
It takes guts to be responsible for your words. It takes a person of conviction who is willing to bear the repercussions from those who dislike what he has to say. And in a political climate where our politicians are afraid to say anything off-prompter, lest it be twisted and dissected for hidden meaning, the responsible are difficult to find.
I’ve been vocal about my political and social convictions for years. My guess is that Cathy would be surprised at how much he and I have in common.
Like Cathy, my partner’s and my business plan has always been intertwined with our personal lives. The Hearty Boys are Dan and Steve; they can’t be separated. Even our closest friends refer to us as The Hearty Boys, as in "we’re going to The Hearty Boys for dinner because Mike Huckabee didn’t respond to their dinner invitation, so there’s an extra seat."
Like Cathy, we are a family-run business. We cherish the remembered moments of covering our son in a fresh tablecloth when meetings and naptime collided, know the exhaustion of late night pillow talk being business-related, and the pride we felt when Nate first said he wants to someday run the business (be warned, he wants to make it a combo Chinese takeout and veterinary clinic).
Like Cathy, we use the power of our brand to back up our beliefs - and this is where the tricky part of responsibility starts. Unlike the nameless Internet ninjas, what we say not only reflects on us as individuals but onto our businesses. And by “business,” I don't mean just our bottom line but the people who work for us and those that do business with us. How does what Steve McDonagh says reflect on someone who holds a position in The Hearty Boys? How does what Dan Cathy says make his gay and lesbian employees feel? Or gay and lesbian franchise owners? Or gay and lesbian stockholders?
Like Cathy, “we want to do anything we possibly can to strengthen families." But when Dan Cathy says “strengthen families,” he’s excluding my family: Dan, Steve and Nate. He means except Abby, Julie and Carly, or Brad, John, Max and Jack-Jack. We obviously don’t fall under the “families” heading and we must be marginalized.
So, when Mike Huckabee called for August 1 to be Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day, we decided to make August 1 Chick-fil-Gay Appreciation Day at Hearty Restaurant in Chicago. When a guest purchases a fried chicken sandwich with pickles on a toasted buttered bun, the proceeds will go directly to Equality Illinois to help families that some feel don’t deserve strengthening.
And here the similarities completely end. Unlike Cathy, I have no interest in alienating my client base or offending my guests. I run on a business plan of inclusion. A Chick-fil-A statement stressed that the chain is inclusive as well. Its more than 1,600 stores are committed to treating gay and lesbian employees and guests with the same “honor, dignity and respect” that they give everyone else, but my community knows better. There’s no honor, dignity and respect in thanking a client for a purchase and using LGBT dollars to fund programs aimed at destroying our families.
Finally, we stand on different sides of history. Sadly, Dan Cathy is on the wrong side. Cathy can refer to us a “prideful and arrogant,” but I think those words are well-suited to those who sit in judgment and speak for their version of God. Sixty years of civil rights history teach us that basic human rights will always win out. You can’t stop equal rights anymore than you can take back that seat on the bus. This is our new reality. You can’t stop progress, as the man says.
The tide has changed, and the escalating shouts we hear are the cries of the self-righteous who never imagined they’d be the ones fighting the current.
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Fair enough. It would be nice if everyone had the same world view and belief systems never collided. What am I saying, it would be a Disney nightmare. Hearty Boys, you go ahead and support your own belief system. Cathy never said you couldn't. Just so you don't stop him from his. I believe the lesson learned in this is "Who the hel.. does the government (Mayor of Boston, Chicago) think they are to tell a business "stay out of my City." I have a message for them. GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY!!!! I would go to Chic Fillet if there was one within 100 miles of me just to piss off these so called mayors.
Articles with a gay agenda (like this one) is why CNN is losing in the media game. Americans spoke with their time, patience and respect today as they supported a business who has been bashed wrongly. WE are on the right side of history and the right sight of the Word – this Word runs contrary to those who oppose Chick-Fil-A and biblical based beliefs. Proud to be an American today and proud to be Christian.
"we are on the right side of history"
As you were when using the Bible to defend slavery and oppose marriage between people of different color skin.
As you were when using the Bible to oppose giving women the right to vote.
When you point to that book and say "this is the WORD and it makes us right!" you turn a blind eye to all the hateful things in it that society has already moved past.
This will be no different.
nice try. the good old tricks don't work anymore.
Very well said, Damo12345.
Southern bible-thumping democrats didn't want to give up slavery so we fought a war. (the states rights argument was really about slavery.)
Southern democrats started the KKK.
southern democrats enacted jim crow laws.
Southern democrats fought against civil rights.
What side of history did you say you were on??
Southern bible-thumping democrats didn't want to give up slavery so we fought a war. (the states rights argument was really about slavery.)
Southern democrats started everyone's favorite klan.
southern democrats enacted jim crow laws.
Southern democrats fought against civil rights.
What side of history did you say you were on??
mj, what exactly are you proud about?
Faith that could stand up to any form of reason is long gone. Our knowledge of the world from 2000 years ago to what we now know about the world has irrevocably changed the need for religion. We do not need God to explain things; and religion becomes obsolete as an explanation when it becomes optional or one among many different beliefs. We now see that the leap of faith is not just one leap; it is a leap repeatedly made, and a leap that becomes more difficult to take the more it is taken, reaching its pinnacle in blind allegiance and active denial and rejection of any other possibilities. At that point, the credibility of the faithful is entirely lost.
We no longer believe the Earth is flat.
We no longer believe the Sun Revolves around the Earth.
We no longer believe demons cause disease.
We no longer believe the earth is 6000 years old.
We have ideas about weather and how it is formed.
We no longer believe flying and space travel are impossible.
We now understand the physics behind rainbows, gravity, lightning, thunder, and fire. These are no longer spooky, supernatural events. It's all explainable, verifiable, and repeatable.
Eventually we will understand the true nature of the universe. We finally proved the existence of the Higgs boson last month. Mathematics already points to the existence of multiple dimensions. We will continue to learn, and the universe will become smaller, more understood, and less mysterious. And with those gains in knowledge, the less religion will mean as a source of explaining our world. Trite phrases like "It was God's will" will ring increasingly hollow. Free will
I think both sides of this issue should simply shut up and vote with their dollars. If you don't like what CFA does, don't eat there! Simple as that. CFA owners and employees have their right to free speech, and LGBT supporters share that same right. So be it.
The gays are throwing a hissy fit since they didn't get their way. Here's a thought, let's agree to disagree.
Would you be upset too if Cathy had said something personal to you? About your race? Your wife, husband, kids, parents? Everyone has an issue important to them, so who has the right to diss other people just because they don't like them? Everyone has a right to free speech, but you don't have the right to be an ass!
and the Christians are throwing a Bible cause they didnt get theirs either !
where is the outcry from remarried people? Kathy did say marreied to the first spouses.
WHY aren't you speaking the TRUTH CNN?
it isn't JUST his comment.
it's that his comment came AFTER
it was made public that Chick-fil-A has donated MILLIONS to ANTI-homosexual causes.
All the people in the picture in ine supporting chik fil a are old.
because everyone else is working.
Seriously? If I have a business and I employ you you, here is what i expect: 1) Get to work on time everyday: 2) Be clean, presentable, and weel-groomed; 3) Be polite, respectful, courteous, and helpful to your boss and co-workers;
4) Do your job WELL; 5) Be polite, respectful, courteous, friendly, and helpful to the customers. If you are a customer
here is what I expect: 1) Treat my staff with courtesy and respect; 2) Be courteous and respectful to other customers;
3) Carry yourself in a respectable manner; 4) Respect the facilities. After that, I could not possibly care less about the
the person to whom you are married, sleep with, or kiss goodnight!!! This is a business!! If you claim to treat everyone
equally, why even bother to mention marriage??? It is a sad day when people feel they have to go out of their way to
judge and condemn others.
nobody condenmed anyone and no one is discriminating the gays....thats just his view on marriage....and you ask why he said it....he was asked by a reporter....he told the truth....let them be and don't eat there....they will be ok without you.
Uh, his view on marriage discriminates against gays. You contradict yourself in your first line!
So the fact that you state your views on marriage or anything else that differs from my opinion is discriminating against me? IT IS HIS BELIEF! He did not state that he hated or would not serve anyone that was gay. If he had then that would be discrimination.
I might be laughing out loud at the authors remark about "..a combo Chinese takeout and veterinary clinic", yet had the writer not have been gay and liberal, the politically correct screams of racism woud be deafening.
that is why most dems are racists and bigots.
Did your mother have any children who lived?
Steve McDonagh says it all when he says "I think those words are well-suited to those who sit in judgment and speak for their version of God". Is not Steve McDonagh sitting in judgement and speaking for his version of God? "Their" version of God should be everyones' version – one God, the creator and sustainer of life. God set the standards in the Bible, not man. We all have a choice to live by them or not. Good article for the first three paragraphs, then what he really wanted to write comes out.
"God set the standards in the Bible"
But sadly nobody follows the standards any more.
It says it right there in the Bible: marriage is between one man and one woman who must be a virgin on her wedding night or everyone should stone her to death, and who must never disagree with her husband, and who can never get a divorce.
Oh, and however many concubines and slaves the man wants (just make sure the slaves come from neighboring countries as God set forth in the Bible).
When will people stand up for these good old-fashioned values?
God did not write the Bible; Man did and as we all know, Man is full of faults.
You got the one part right – we are all sinners. Jesus said "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another." Yes, there have always been the leagalistic Christians. Even God's chosen people, the Jews, crucified our saviour. Please try reading the Bible, especially the New testament
which I believe you would see different.
Jesus wore dresses and hung out mostly with 12 other guys. He ocassionally hung out with prostitutes.
Whether you agree or disagree with the right, you always know where they stand. And this whole anit-Chick-fil-A issue is just another perfect example of the liberal right saying that everyone should love everyone and that everyone should be able to do (marry) and say anything they want, anytime, anywhere, no consequences, just peace and harmony......AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T GO AGAINST WHAT THEY BELIEVE IN! If you truly want a world of "live and let live", then accept the fact that not everyone will agree on everything and that IS OK, and a right of living in this country.
Where is this "liberal right" party you speak of? ...That's the one I've been looking for !
Yes, yes, we've heard it a million times before.
"The liberals are being so mean, being intolerant of my intolerance. They're the REAL bigots, for not liking my bigotry!"
Sorry, was eating my chicken sandwich and had a typo: "liberal right" should be "liberal left"
My guess is that the Gay agenda in the US isn't nearly as popular as this author assumes. The media and some of our leaders might be on board, but push come to shove, when asked the vast majority of Americans would support a more conservative approach on this issue.
Polls indicate it's far from a "vast majority" situation.
Today other fast food restaurants business is slow
What did other fast food chain did wrong?
Politics every where shame
I don't support Dan Cathy's definition of a traditional family. But I do fully support his freedom to believe what he chooses to believe, and I will continue to enjoy eating at Chick-fil-A. There is no reason why those who realize that the re-definition of marriage is as inevitable as tomorrow's sunrise cannot co-exist with the dwindling numbers of those who are currently bound to the traditional definition of marriage.
very well said....someone who understands and respects freedom of speech.
Just because you have the right to free speech, you should say something hurtful. What if Cathy had said he did not believe in the Civil Rights Act or that immigrants should go back to their country or that women should stay home and produce children, would you support that too? If you answer YES, you should go back to school to learn more about responsibilities and freedom.
who said I support what he said? I just support his RIGHT to say it
Gay and Lesbian stockholders? Uh, no. Chick Fil A is a privately held company.
the old statement: I disagree with what you say but I'll fight to the death for your right to say it. I am SO proud of our citizens standing up for the Constitution. In my area (NC), there are a surprising amount of gays being interviewed who are standing in line because of the government in Chicago & Boston trying to discriminate against this CEO.
I have never eaten at this place and now i know i never will. Even if he supported gay marriage, I still wouldn't eat there.
Sir, you are are after my money, and now you won't get it. Your free speech isn't so free now is it? Foolish, foolish man.
James...have you seen the TV today? The lines are blocks and blocks long and freeways are snarled. Read up sir, before you make yourself look foolish.
Exactly my point. It's about greed, not "free speech". It's always about the bottom line.
Interesting how we react when it is our ox being gored. We have a President as well as politicians who confess to be Christians and some even go to church. But donnnnn't hold their feet to the fire to walk the talk. Then when a man such as the CEO of Chik-Fil-A does they want to crucify him. Sorry that has already been done. How did ti work out for us all? Civil Unions, Equal Legal Rights, yes we should all have them. Church sanctioned same sex marriages.....doesn"t look good from what I read in my Bible....Government sanctioned marriage is just another terrm for civil unions which is ok with me.
Seriously, that gay sandwich in the picture looks GREY. No wonder the reviews the restaurant gets are not very good.
"Average food at above average prices" seems to be the most common comment. Maybe this guy should worry less about blogs and gay politics and worry more about improving the quality of the food he serves.
see the lines....they are doing great
They'll have a short bump in business from those who agree, but this will hurt them financially in the long run. I've got years of business analysis experience and have seen how this works. People who agree will support him then forget about it and go back to their normal eating routine. People who don't agree will never come back.
That photo is not a Chick-Fil-A sandwich and fries. Chick-Fil-A sandwiches look (and taste) much better than that.
Every one is entitled to their opinions and beliefs. And every one loves to use the Bible to suport their own agenda/beliefs that is why we have so many different religions, demoninations, etc. In the past the Bible was used to support the denial of equal rights for women and minorities. Now the bible is being used to deny LGBT their equal rights. I am a christian who believes in God and believes in equal rights for all americans. If this company supported/funded groups or organization that denied African American or Hispanic their rights based on their religious beliefs there would be a different attitude toward Chick fil A.......we all need to learn tolerance
That's what I'm saying. This guy is trying to profit from the gay agenda by offering a really nasty looking version of what he thinks is a Chik Fil A sandwich. In the end, if your food is good, your business will be good, and if your food is not good, you will try to prop it up by blogging about gay rights.
Marketing ploy, plain and simple by you... God excluded you, not Cathy...We follow the beliefs STRAIGHT (no pun intended) from the Bible. Being a Sodomite isn't a right, it's a SIN. Don't get me wrong, I love you as a human being, but your lifestyle is sinful and an abomination.
You are darned right it's a sin, as is having an IQ over 90.
Straight from the Bible, eh? Do you beat your wife if she wears red, assuming you have only one wife? Do you eat shellfish or wear clothing made up of composite fibers? Do you advocate stoning people in the street? Give me a frigging break...
You are a prime example of what bigotry is all about. I'm personally not gay but do not discriminate against anyone human being for their sexual preferences, color of their skin, religious beliefs or otherwise. You are quite simply defined as a hater trying to hide behind your religious beliefs ( The Bible ). Your bible is not everyone's cup of tea and you shouldn't expect others to trust in what you say because it has no merit.
Do your knuckles hurt? You know, from all the dragging?
Chick-fil-a is a private company and the president should be able to hold whatever view he wants. Cities can’t stop them from opening up because they disagree with his free speech. The chain does not discriminate against gays…that’s just his view about marriage…deal with it. If you feel those cities have the right to stop a business because they don’t like the CEO’s view should have no problem with Cities that have a more conservative view point, could then ask all Starbucks to leave their town as they give equal benefits to gays and their partners…..would you libs be ok with that? of course not….free speech is just that. If it bothers you that much don’t go there….Chick-Fil-A will survive without your business.
He is allowed to say whatever he wants. In a free society, he has to reap the consequences too. Unless freedom to you is only freedom for people you agree with.
And the 'consequenses' are showing blocks and blocks of customers waiting in line to get in, freeways shut down because exits are jammed with people trying to get off to get into the parking lot, etc.
Me personally? I do NOT have a biased bone in my body, but I sure am totally offended that Chicago and Boston governments are trying to pull building permits BASED ON SOMEONE'S OPINION!
you are correct and that and they are wrong and it's un-american
that's right.....so don't eat there if that bugs you....other than that...shut up and move on
And in case it's not blatantly obvious to you -if you don't believe the government can / should be able to prevent a business to open based on the views of its CEO, then the government also can't / shouldn't be able to decide who can / can't get married based on their views. Pick one: Either you let the government tell us how to live our lives or we go with freedom. I'll never understand how the right wing is considered the small government party. Other than financially, they seem to be all about government!
We have First Amendment rights that prevent the impeding of the free exercise of religion. This country, founded on freedoms, include free enterprise. If a company wants to respect the Bible and close on Sunday, to criticize is the same as criticizing that Amendment. And to criticize the founder's beliefs in Biblical marriage – the same. No one is saying gays/lesbians cannot purchase Chick-fil-A products, or be respected in their personhood. I can't believe how quickly the gay/lesbian camp become intolerant. They want diversity and tolerance . . . well, learn to extend the same respect to those whom you may disagree with, as they do you. Otherwise, YOU are the bigots.
No, criticizing is fair game. What's not is muffling the speech itself. Do you not understand the difference?
we understand the differance, but you and yours seem to agree that some of these states can kick them out for feeling that way.....bash all you want, don't eat there.....they do not care.
If a company wanted to truly respect the Bible, than they would be closed on the real Sabbath – Saturday, not Sunday. But I suspect most of these so-called Christians don't read their Bibles.
could not tell you I'm an atheist......
Having a religious view is perfectly fine. What is not fine is trying to force other people to follow the rules of your religion. That is all this is about – plain and simple. If this guy wants to support his church, I think he's a moron for doing so, but he has every right. He does not have any right however to tell other people how to live their lives. Of course, he can try and lose a lot of business in the process in hopes that god pays him back when he dies...good luck with that!
Maybe Romney should be invited
It's a first amendment issue. If you as an individual don't agree with Dan Cathy then don't patronize his business. But the government at any level doesn't have the right to censor him or control his business. If they can do it to him then they can do it to anyone they choose.
And the government also does not have the right to given preferential tax treatment to people based on sexual preference. This doesn't really have anything to do with freedom of speech. No one is saying that guy can't legally say what he said. It was just a dumb thing for him to say as CEO of a business. There are millions of people who will never eat there as a result and I'm one of them (a straight one at that).
Dan Cathy can say whatever he wants. It's fine with me if he says he doesn't support gay marriage. The problem is Chik-fil-a has a charitable branch that gives to anti-gay causes. Causes that promote bigotry, intolerance and actively try to marginalize homosexuals. That means when I purchase a chik-fil-a sandwich, part of my money goes to a cause I find abhorrant! I refuse to knowingly take part in that.
Again, I support ones right to voice their opinion; however, I will not give you my money to use in an effort to promote your hatred and intolerance.
Oh Lawd! The man and his company which is not publicly traded mind you, said he believes marriage is for one man and one woman. The company gives money to support such families. I figure if you give money to support gay families and he gives money to support traditional families, what's the beef. We have free speech here! Say what ya want but I believe that one should not hide from deep religious convictions regarding social issues. Our differences are what make this country great and our ability to voice our differences make it even greater. We are not talking about a publicly traded company that must tippy toe around social issues. We are speaking of a man that started a company, made it successful and kept it in the family. If we boycotted every company that did not share our values we would all be living in caves, eating berries and using leaves as toilet paper. Chick Fil A is not alone in their stance and religious conviction regarding social issues....Do your homework before bullying or boycotting cause there are a lot more like Chick Fil A out there. I am off to Hobby Lobby.
Sorry but there's a big difference. Dan Cathy's company has spent millions of dollars to support the oppression of a group of people. Gay rights supports do not want to suppress your rights to marry your straight parnter.
Who's suppressing gay rights to marry? Go ahead, find a partner of opposite sex, marry and be gay! Homosexual people though, have nothing to suppress as historically, that has ALWAYS been deemed as perverted behaviour, right along with bestiality, etc. There is no way that type of behaviour should be accepted in society. They can do whatever they want to in their bedrooms, but they can't force the majority of people to accept their deviant behaviour as new normal.
Are you kidding me? How are gays oppressed?? They can vote. They can be a doctor, lawyer, business owner, politician, soldier, entreprenuer, home owner, etc.. They are not segregated by where they can sit on a putblic bus. They are not segregated in restaurants, hotels or movie theaters because of their sexual orientation. They do not have segregated bathrooms. They are allowed to attend any university of their choice. They do not have to contend with riot control dogs attacking them. They do not have to contend with police hitting them with billy clubs. They do not have police turning high powered water hoses on them. They are not hung or have crosses burning in their front lawns.
So tell me again how gays are oppressed?
Are you in a closest and have no idea what is going on, gays think that they should be able to be as vulgar and dirty as they want to and you have no right at all to tell them anything different. However if you make any statement against their beliefs then yiu are a racists from the word go. Although a racist is one that believes that one race is superior to another and gay is a lifestyle and has nothing to do with what race you are but that is the current PC thing to say since we have a few gay politicians that are pushing their agenda down our throuats.
So you equate being gay with being vulgar and dirty? You have so much to learn. Most gay people are regular, ordinary people who simply want to live their lives as their straight brothers and sisters do. I am a married gay woman with a job in public service and a wonderful kid who is growing up with two Moms who love her and wants the best for her. I want my marraige recognized by my government. I don't give a flying flip as to whether any church recognizes it or not.
He is welcome to marry a woman. He is not welcome to tell anyone else who to marry. This is not complicated! By doing so, he is a bigot. We all have certain views that are biased in one way or another (I admit, I have a general negative view towards lawyers, for example), but when you're the CEO of a fast food company, you don't say something so divisive unless you want to lose half your business! Just idiotic more than anything.
Doubt half of the business is lost. Looked like they were doing pretty well at lunch time. Gay's in the urban city I live in generally like more hipster eatery's anyway. I doubt many frequent Chick Fil A as a rule.
I'm not gay and I'll never go there again. You're right, maybe not half their business because their average customer is likely the less-educated, more-religious, anti-equality type in the first place. But they will lose more business than they gain from this, that's for sure. I'd say 10% at an a minimum, 25% most likely, 30-40% worst (or best?) case scenario.
if you don't like his veiw don't eat there....then shut up already. no one cares your gay....
I'm not gay, but I certainly won't ever eat there.
Free speech is fine if you can suffer through the wrath of your clients. If you own a business you sort of cannot root for the Yankees or Cowboys as you would alienate many of your clients. But if you got the cash and can afford loosing customers in today's economy, then go for it. I raise my own chickens and I do not care if they are gay or bi or whatever. They all taste the same to me.
I support Chick-fil-a the bible states clearly that a man shall not lay with a man, it's an abomination unto God. Later it staes that a man shall cleave unto his wife ( not partner). Therefore a marrage is 1 man + 1 women. God wants the married couple to go fourth and multiply and same sex couples cannot do that on their own power because the plumbing doesn't work. Gays however are as anyone else in other respects other than marriage and should and better be respected.
The Bible is a work of fiction. I'm not sure if you noticed but fewer and fewer people are being fooled by the construct of religion.
When you go the dust pile and have to meet your maker you will wonder why he does not know you.
Stacy your life will be a work of fiction when you die, and let’s make no mistake about it 100% of all people die, if you don't accept Christ as your savior. God will say He never knew you and YOU will have made the choice to spend an eternity in torment. Please accept Christ today...This is not about anyone else but you and God. Only Christ can save you and He loves you fully as you are today. Don't delay...if you choose to be saved say this prayer and mean it with all your heart and you too will be saved
“Father God, I know that I have broken your laws and my sins have separated me from you. I am truly sorry, and now I want to turn away from my past sinful life toward you. Please forgive me, and help me avoid sinning again. I believe that your son, Jesus Christ died for my sins, was resurrected from the dead, is alive, and hears my prayer. I invite Jesus to become the Lord of my life, to rule and reign in my heart from this day forward. Please send your Holy Spirit to help me obey You, and to do Your will for the rest of my life. In Jesus' name I pray, Amen.”
I grew up Baptist. My brother is a minister. I know the song and dance. I do not believe in any of it. I am happy that you have a make believe friend to cling to when you cannot think for yourself. I will stick with logic and reason.
Here we go. Religion does not dictate equal rights. The bible also says it's ok to own a slave. Do you have one of those in your house Brenda?
The bible says a lot of things that folks no longer follow. Do you eat pork? Do you beat your kids? I could go on, but the list of things is far too long.
Jesus threw out the old laws. That was an old law. And you do not worship on the Sabbath, hence you are breaking one of the 10 Commandments which were the only laws that Jesus did not throw out. So, you, by the words of the bible, going to hell!
The bible also states that we should not eat shellfish or pork, yet most Christians do. I am always amazed at how people pick scriptures from the bible that support their stance on an issue, but totally ignore all of the scriptures that are against what they want to believe in.
I believe marriage should only be between six women and three men. If you do not agree, you are a bigot and a hater.
Six women, three men, a stuffed buffalo and a nine iron. Anything else should not be recognized by the government.
You are clearly unfit to be American since you threaten to destroy our monogamous heterosexual gun loving divorce happy social fabric. Shame on you, Jake and VOR. You should move to that bastion of perversion – Berkeley.
And a penguin...Must have a penguin!
Let's make this simple:
1) The government should have no part in defining marriage because no one should get any tax benefits / special treatment for being married.
2) As long as the government is giving benefits for people getting married, they have no business excluding people based on sexual preference any more than on race.
3) If religious people don't want to recognize gay people as married according to their religious views, that's their business but it has nothing place in the laws of our country!
4) It is ironic that right wing always pretends to want less government – clearly not the case here.
Oh, the irony...
History is VERY clear. The "gay" issue isn't new to humankind. History is full of societies, nations, and empires throughout history having "evolved” and become "tolerant" and "enlightened" and whatever else you may want to call this "civil rights" movement. Only to end in ruin. Christians are well aware of this. The Bible shows God's people, the Israelites time and time again, straying from God's direction, tempted by the surrounding customs…and ending in ruin. The rest of you guys can pick up a World History book and see the same Now, I’ll be the first to admit this destruction isn’t BECAUSE of homosexuals in a society. Their contribution to their society is irrelevant. However, ACCEPTANCE of homosexuality as mainstream is a signal that a society AS A WHOLE has made a conscious decision (long ago I might add) to turn from God and adopt their own sense of morality and righteousness. No God, No blessings. An “enlightened” nation without God is like a king without his clothes. No one will tell him something’s wrong.
~Jesus loves the little children ~ ALL the children of the world ~ red and yellow black and white they are precious in His sight ~ YES, Jesus love the little children. Stop the bickering and LOVE your neighbor as thy self!
God is the author of life and He knows what works and what doesn't. He has given us guide lines to protect us and show us how to live to the fullest . In Romans, He talks about going against the natural use of our bodies. God does loves everyone, but not some of the decisions that we have made. Oh yes, there are devil spirits that want us to make stupid decisions and convince us that the lies that we hear is the truth or "that it is okay". God has given us freedom of will, but not from the consequences of those decisions.
History has shown us that every country that gives way to the gay movements ends up being defeated. You can research this yourself. Start with Sodom and Gomorrah, and Ancient Rome. Guess what city is on the bottom on the dead sea?
Lets get honest – It is not okay to kill, steal and destroy. It is not okay to be gay, It is not okay to lie and have sex with everything that moves. It is not okay to kill babies (Sex is good but not that good), It is not okay to sell your soul so you can be president, a movie star or just plain famous. What is 60, 70 and 80 years on earth compared to eternity?
The "gays" may win battles, but they have all ready lost the war. There are more of us against the same sex marriages, but the "gays" whine the loudest. They are like spoiled children, if they cry loud or make a scene, they get what they want. As an American, you have certain rights but doing what you damned well please is not one of them.
I know of several establishments that are own by gays and I don't know of a straight person protesting them.
the issue is not with this guy as an individual and his rights to whatever he believes, the issue is the statement that this is the companies belief which flings feces in the face of all of the employees that work for the corporation and do not have the same beliefs. This is no different than a Congreeman or Senator stating this is what all Americans believe or the moron politicians that made the comment that they will work to prevent this company from moving into their city and/or state. Who gives any of these people the right to indicate that they represent me in any way. This guy should have made it clear that this is his personal belief and is not a representation of the corporation that he works for. This is a corporation not a sole proprietorship.........................
And unions do the same thing. It's a privately held company and if you don't like it, don't work there or eat there. Go the Hearty Restaurant instead. That's if you can get there, 'cause there's only one.
Regrettably I pay more in taxes than you probably make in a few years ..
Name calling is the first resort of the weak minded. You make the anti-gay community proud. Besides there's no dishonor in being a fork lift driver.
Poor Semper, you can't spell properly, can't even punctuate, and you use caps to make a point. May you go far in whatever it is you do for a living.
Are you kidding me? This is freedom of speech at its finest hour. Shame on you gay community for being way too sensitive and over dramatic based on ONE guys stance. The CEO voiced his opinion. Props for him for not caring and telling the truth. I will continue to enjoy the delicious sandwiches that this place offers.
The CEO is clearly an idiot...both for his bigoted stance and the fact that he was too dumb to keep it to himself. Then again, people who eat fast food tend to be idiots too, so maybe this will actually help their business.
So he is a bigot b/c his religious beliefs state marriage is between a man and a woman and he's willing to support groups with that same belief? Oh that's right his religious beliefs are outdated and not in step with the current culture. Who's the bigot again? The hypocriscy is amazing. What if a conservative state decided to boycot General Mills products and state they couldn't open up new factocries in the state b/c their "values" were not consistent with that state's values?
He is a bigot because he expects our government to have laws consistent with his religious beliefs, thus forcing people who don't share his religious beliefs to live by the rules of his religion. It's quite simple really. He can believe whatever he wants, but there's no reason he should expect anyone else to live by his religion's rules and certainly the government shouldn't care about his religion's views.
I don't think the government should prevent General Mills or Chick-fill-A from doing business based on their views any more than the government should prevent people from getting married based on their views. If the people don't want to support the business because if its views, the business will fail. And if a religious group doesn't want to recognize a marriage, that's perfectly fine too. Neither are the government's business!
Jake, sorry I could not reply to your subsequent posts. I see your viewpoint, though I don't completely agree with it (and that's ok b/c we're allowed to disagree :)). Taking this strictly from a "values" viewpoint vice any religious beliefs, many in the nation still believe marriage should still just be between a man and a woman. This is evidenced by state referendums on gay marriage. There are also states that allow it but there many more that do not. So which "values" do the government endorse. That's why gay marriage, at this point, should be a state issue, not a federal issue. However, do note, that DOMA is still law of the land, whether you agree with it or not and until Congress repeals it or SCOTUS rules it unconstitutional, it will remain the law of the land. In the same way, Conservative states should not be stating "well I just disagree with ACA and won'tenforce any of it." SCOTUS ruled it constitutional so until Congress repeals it in this case, it too is the law of the land. My solution to this whole debate: complete overhaul of the tax code, no more tax exemptions for "marriage" and let marriage be a religious thing and if the secular authority (state or federal) wants to devise something similar and call it whatever they want so be it. And thus, everyone has same rights across board (visitation rights, estate rights, etc). Thoughts Jake?
No, they are bigoted for donating to various anti-gay groups, including one which supported the death penalty for being gay in Uganda. Sorry, but that is bigotry. This is a bit like finding out your local restaurant supports the Klan and then someone gets out there and says the Jewish community is being overly dramatic about the Klan-supporting restaurant.
Adrian can you please provide a link or other proof of the Uganda claim? I have not seen that yet. Thanks.
It's true about Uganda, and Foucs on the Family funnels money to the party that created this law.
Right on Chris! Great sandwhiches!!
I can see it months from now, after a night of partying, the gays will head over to Chik-Fil-A to satisfy their munchies. Then think to themselves, "aren't we supposed to be "boycotting" this place? Ah, to hell with it, these sandwhiches and nuggets are AWESOME!"
Who friggin' cares! Chick Fil A is entitled to their opinion and does not tell gays they cannot eat there. So what is the big deal? You know what it is? Gays think that 100% of America must agree with what they want. In no other realm does 100% inclusion or agreement necessary, but gays think they are special. GET OVER YOURSELVES! 75% of people agree with gays. You woudl think that is good enough! But no. Besides, eat wherever you want!
Awesome. Folks like Cathy will be viewed just as George Wallace and his ilk are viewed today – as bigots. For those of you supporting Cathy, enjoy that bigotry sandwich. And, maybe, some self-reflection is an order as to why you feel the need to think about same-sex marriage so much.
I can understand both parties have an issue with the way things are. I feel get over it. People will be people. If these Christian people are as Christian as they say then there would be NO judgement. GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEADS, IT IS NOT OUR PLACE TO JUDGE. THAT IS GOD AND ONLY GOD'S DECISION. Sorry if you don't like it. I teach my children to love all of gods children, NO MATTER what race, religion, or sex orientation they are. If you cannot stand someone to come in your place because you do not believe what they are doing, then lock yourself up in the woods like a hermit. This world is changing every day. GET ON BOARD OR GET OUT.
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I'm sure he sent in the copy to a CNN editor and they plopped it into their website template.
Have those people protesting chick-fil-A about how you are further dividing America. If a gay company makes a statement in support, do non-gays ever stand out on the sidewalk and protest that business. Probably not. Have these same people protesting Chick-fil-A ever thought about the fact that in most cases you would not have been born if it were not for traditional marriage? Probably not.
And if not for "straight" couples there would be now gays. Toobad too SAD
You are an idiot for thinking marriage is required to have offspring. Did you ever take a biology class?
I dont know how the boycott is going anywhere else. I work across the street from a chick fil a and you can not get near that place. I enjoy chick fil a. What I dont enjoy is being attacked because I dont support same sex marriage. I am not a hater or part of a hate group. I am a believer by faith. Does this mean I hate gays, nope. It just means I dont support same sex. I also dont support men or women who cheat on their spouse, or child abuse, or underfunding our schools. Everyone is entitled to their first amendment rights.
I'm all for people beleiving whatever silly religious nonsense they want. Even if they think their religion tells them to hate people who are different. I'm even in favor of them thiking that people who think differently from them will go to Hell.
That's all fine and good. Stupidity is not illegal. But when people fight with every fiber in their body and try to hurt those they disagree with, based on their own person belief, then I have a problem.
We are all entitled to our opinions and our beliefs, but we are all entitled to be shielded by the beliefs of others.
Nobody has the right to hold anyone else back because of YOUR religion.
Who gives a @#$t !!!! There are worse pressing matters in the world and our society than one persons opinion on gay marriage.
The Hearty Boys all about inclusion eh? Wonder how they would treat an employee who didnt believe in same sex marriage, he'd be fired in a second.
Looking forward to lunch at Chick-fil-A today. Some friends and I are going to buy a bunch of their good, healthy food and deliver it to the homeless shelter.
You think that is good, healthy food? Just keep eating it, that's excellent. Then watch your blood pressure and weight go up, and the generation of haters will just die out quicker, leaving the people who are not against equality for everyone.
What would Jesus do? I doubt he would spout hatred for a group of people, but that's what most religious people seem to do.
Well said marilee!
which is hate, one is taking food to the homeless. and one is wishing death upon the other.
I dont see a lot of love on either side
Don't forget to try their new menu item – the Bacon Leviticus and Tomato Sandwich.
I am a straight laced heterosexual proud Christian American. There's nothing I admire more than the ignorant American pretending to uphold Christianity through bigotry and divisiveness. The Christianity I grew up with had no room for hatred – and I congratulate all of you here on your success in altering the definition of the faith to suit your purpose. I would however recommend that some of you seek psychiatric help: perhaps it is is the hidden Gay in you, that makes you despise the "Gay lifestyle genetic disorder so much". Two consenting people in a loving and caring relationship doesn't make me insecure about my sexuality and my own choices. It's those Gay dreams that haunt you, right?
I do not approve of the gay lifestyle myself, but if they want to get married, they should be able to. The issue here started out about the restaurant and the owner's right to choose his clientel. Have you not read the sign in every business that "we reserve the right to refuse business" to anyone? he has every right to chose who he wants to do business with. I don't think that makes us all gay haters or bigots, it makes us free to make our own choices as to what we believe. Most of the bible quotes were from the old testament, that mainly does not apply to us once Christ died for our sins (and he was SO NOT GAY). Yes he does say to love everyone as he does, but he also says to distance yourselves from sinners so that you are not drawn away from God by the alliance with them that choose to do evil. All of the bloggers that are throwing out the quotes from the bible and using it as an argument for their cause are not talking very reverent and I think that speaks very loudly about how much you really incorporate His word into your life. Practice what you preach to those who do not agree with you and your gay opinions!
Curious, Becky, as a Christian – I'm puzzled why Christ would have labeled Gays as sinners? Was loving another human being a crime? "And he was so NOT gay". I guess you must have known him in some special way to figure that out? Genius, Becky, you make me truly proud to be American. You've succeeded in redefining Christ!!
You know, you're not too bright. Jesus told us to hold close every word of scripture. Did you know that, genius? Of course not. But you are so cynical of Becki, yet your response clearly indicates you know nothing, So do us all a favor and just shut up. Or! Go find a single passage in the Torah that glorifies homosexuality. Well, go on, brainiac. Check back here in about a year or two and tell us you came up empty.
Jesus spoke to you? On Facebook, perhaps? This is why I am proud to be American. You and Becky make me proud to be American. You guys are in touch personally with deceased maverick social reformers.
So while you're busy eating your chicken sandwich, Dean, here's a side of scripture for you to chew on. John 4:20 "Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen."
Becki, I'm not sure that businesses can legally refuse to service to a homosexual person any more than they could refuse service to black person or a Jewish person.
I agreed with your argument until the last sentence...rather derogatory, don't you think? Ironic. Remember the addage: "Hate the sin, not the sinner." Don't assassinate the person. Further, it is not our place to place judgment, a person will meet their maker and face their fate then. Let the sinner live in sin and worry about yourself and how you (as in us) can be a good Christian.
@Proud to be American – I totally agree. Are you as amused with the name calling as I am? :P
Ummm, Becky? I think the American Civil Liberties act prohibits business from refusing to serve people based on their gender, color, sexual preference etc. They could no more prohibit gay people from eating than they could prohibit an African American. What I don't understand is why anyone cares so much about who loves who. How is that a threat to anyone in anyway? As for your book– why anyone believes a 2000 year old book written by men before anyone even knew where babies came from is beyond me. Just because a lot of people choose to believe in myth doesn't make it any less a myth.
"Alienate client base"? How so? Dan Cathy did not come out and say "I hate Gays" He did not come out and say "Gays are not welcomed at Chick-Fil-A". As usual, the gay community blew it out of proportion. I did support the gay agenda (I'm not gay) but it seems the gays cannot/will not accept any views other than theirs. They want acceptance and tolerance. They need to do the same. I'll having my Chick-Fil-A today.
Did you just miss this part or not read the article: There’s no honor, dignity and respect in thanking a client for a purchase and using LGBT dollars to fund programs aimed at destroying our families." Supporting CHick Fil A's business is supporting denying your fellow citizens their civil rights.
Uh....do you mean homosexual 'families?' Can anyone imagine being 'born' into this kind of 'family?' What an embarrassing nightmare it must be for any child to have to tell his/her classmates his 'parents' are homosexuals. Would probably lie about it. Don't blame the child one bit. I fully suspect that many gay 'parents' deliberately indoctrinate children into becoming homosexuals themselves while trying to make the country believe that homosexuality is not a choice, that we are forced to commit these VOLUNTARY acts every day, that every single bomosexual act ever committed in history was not due to choice but to birth! What a preposterous claim.. The idea that a man can marry a man is just laughable. To be sure, homosexuality is a birth defect, nature's way of controlling population growth just like plague, famine, floods and fires. That's how it should be regarded.
And let’s not forget the greatest sinner tax of them all "AIDS"
Chic Fil A is nasty. Why are you eating there in the first place?
With so many other choices, why would you choose to eat this?
Apparently you missed the part when he said tolerating this behavior would lead to God's wrath on the nation. SMH. People need to look at all the quotes he made and not just a couple snippets. Chik-fil-a can burn. I used to eat there, but never again.
He'd probably woken up from a dream of Gay fantasies and was trying to compensate by asserting his "masculinity".
Well, don't eat there, Michael. Who cares? With Cathy's pronouncement, I wouldn't be surprised if Chik-Fil-A's sales increased. Just keep telling yourself, however, that no one is entitled to their opinion except you. Certainly not Cathy, right? Did you know people have lived by the bible for millennia? And we ALL know what the bible has to say about homosexuality. So who's right, Michael? Civilization or you? God or you?? Cathy or you? Get lost, Michael. Or, better yet, open your own fast food joint. Just be sure to hire only homosexuals and be very certain to make it known to the local population that you have gay employees. Call the business Back Door Burger and see how many customers you get. See if you can stay open for one month in any locale where gays don't overwhelm the population as in San Francisco.. LOL. Yeah, we all want to eat at Back Door Burger considering what your food preparers/handlers did the night before.
Yep, the Bible was right about the universe being created in a week, and the earth being the center of the universe. I know Galileo, Darwin, NASA, and practically all published scientists are wrong since their conclusions contradict those of the Bible. Let's live by the Bible as we've done for thousands of years, and go back to using pigeons instead of cellphones as we've done for thousands of years as well. The past is right, and the present is a lie.
This is America. Feel free to eat wherever you choose. But make sure that you wear that defining badge of ignorance that makes America proud worldwide. Because without it, the government will take away your guns, your freedom, destroy your marriage, and raise your taxes.
The myth of the gay "lifestyle" is nothing more than that. A myth propagated by the very groups to which CFA donates millions of dollars to dehumanize gay people into some caricature of a half-naked lady-man on a parade float. We are people who live in households just like yours, struggle to pay the bills, and keep it together, except we have to deal with the additional financial and emotional toll of being told everyday that we are less than human. Stop trying to dehumanize me. I am a person, not a "lifestyle".
CFA does nothing of the sort...they don't donate "millions of dollars to dehumanize gay people into some caricature of a half-naked lady-man on a parade float"...that's simply ridiculous and slanderous. They donate millions of dollars to Christian organizations, simple as that. I'm quite certain the Christian Athlete organization doesn't care one way or the other about your lifestyle. If you're going to make accusations, you should really read up on what you're talking about.
you seized on the hyperbole in what I said and didn't get the point. I am not a lifestyle. There is no such thing as a "gay lifestyle".
While the Fellowship of Christian Athletes does take an anti-gay stance, they are not politically vocal about it. Focus on the Family (the other "christian" group Chik-fil-a donates to) on the other hand is a political entity that actively campains to deny gay citizens their constitutional rights and marginalize them and their families. They have been designated a "hate group" and rightly so in my opinion. So money spend it Chik-fil-a DOES contribute to the denial of the rights of your fellow citizens, which is an extremely anti-American stance.
Of course it's a lifestyle. There's no proof, no science that you are born this way, and every proof that you choose to become this way. Now that's not saying that your choice didn't come about as some sort of DNA change due to some trauma, mental or physical,m min your early life, but there is no genetic proof that you were born this way. No science. Else we'd have genetic tests on babies that show whether they would be gay or not. In which case, we could abort the gay ones, or fix them. Lucky for the gay choice crowd, that doesn't happen. Enjoy your lifestyle! I think it's completely abnormal, but you're free to be abnormal in this country. Just be GLAAD you're not in a muslim country....lololol
To geeky: Way to look way past the intent of the reply and only respond to the minor point. Apparently you had to rebuttal so your only recourse was to respond to the "lifestyle" comment. Typical of how this whole thing has been blown out of proportion and how the LGBT continually ignores the facts.
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