Saddle up for maximum snack satisfaction (mathematically speaking)
May 21st, 2012
03:30 PM ET
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Stephanie V.W. Lucianovic is a Bay Area writer and editor. Her first book Suffering Succotash: A Picky Eater's Quest to Understand Why We Hate the Foods We Hate, a humorous non-fiction narrative and exposé on the lives of picky eaters, will be released by Perigee Books on July 3.

My husband is a calculus professor and one who brings food items into the classroom with surprising regularity. No, he doesn't bring pies on Pi day - though he can recite the string up to a couple dozen digits - but he does bring Pringles. As a teaching aid.

This afternoon when I walked into his study, I nearly tripped over a plastic Safeway bag filled with six red cans of Pringles. "Is it Pringles Day already?" I asked, nudging the bag. Pringles Day is the day Dr. Mathra lectures on the classification of critical points in multivariable calculus, and he uses the saddle-shaped Pringles to illustrate his points.

After class, the students get to eat his illustrations. It's their favorite day.

However, this Pringles Eve, Dr. Mathra is kicking himself because in addition to stocking up on Pringles, which were invented by Proctor & Gamble & heaven in the 1960s, he also got an oblong can of Lays Stax, the parvenu potato chip that's only been around since 2003.

Personally, I've never been turned on by Lays Stax. Not only are they covered with the stink of being the unoriginal upstart that is so obviously trying to rip-off the adored-for-decades potato chip, but they're not thin and delicate enough, they're not oily enough, and they're not addictive enough. However, none of the above is Dr. Mathra's complaint with them.

"It's ridiculous!" he fumed, "They set themselves up as a Pringles competitor, but it's an entirely different curvature!"

The shape of the Lays Stax - known as a parabolic cylinder - is way less mathematically interesting than the hyperbolic paraboloid of a Pringles, which is also known as a saddle. In math, the Pringles saddle shape exemplifies how you can stand at the flat point of a surface and not be at the highest point of your surroundings or at the lowest point of your surroundings.

Basically, you could call the saddle "the taint" of critical points. T'aint the highest point, t'aint the lowest. "Um, sure. If you wanted to be crass about it," Dr. Mathra mumbles.

The big three types of critical points in multivariable calculus are the bottom of a bowl (aka the local min), the top of a dome (the local max), or in the middle of a saddle (saddle point).

"The Lays Stax shape isn't even as interesting as a bowl - it's a wishy-washy bowl. I mean, you can make the Lays shape with a piece of paper," Dr. Mathra explains. (In my twelve years of being married to him, I have frequently found that being able to make something with paper is met with derision.) See, you can't replicate the Pringles saddle shape with a piece of paper without cutting the paper and actually adding more paper to it and that makes it more mathematically desirable.

Sensing he has my attention throughout all of this raving, Dr. Mathra continues, "They've got these Lays Stax right next to the Pringles as though they are equivalent. How can they do that? One is a positive semi-definite quadratic form and the other is an indefinite quadratic form - they're not even the same definiteness!"

When I don't react, he insists, "Oh, come on - that will KILL in class tomorrow!"

And why should you, the non-calculus student, care about the Pringles saddle form? The principal application of calculus is optimizing, or determining whether you are at a maximum. You use calculus whenever you want to optimize, well, anything. "If you are at a local max (the top of a dome), everywhere you go moves you down. If you're at a saddle, there's a way you can go that will take you up." Knowing this is important when thinking about increasing filthy lucre, precious time, diminishing resources, or a supply of Pringles.

And that, my friends, is why Pringles will always, always beat Lays Stax.

Flavor is subjective. Math is irrefutable.



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  2. Taouba

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    December 25, 2012 at 8:30 am | Reply
  3. Gene Chase

    I haven't used Pringles in my Calculus. I have distributed fig Newtons and Leibniz biscuits, given that these men founded Calculus. Also appreciated.

    May 23, 2012 at 5:39 pm | Reply
  4. Ruby Blue

    Eww. An otherwise interesting and entertaining article was ruined by a vulgar joke about halfway through. This is an article written for CNN, not a casual conversation for friends (at which point the joke would be more appropriate, assuming you know your audience). Totally unnecessary and unprofessional – you should learn to filter the content and respect your varied audience.

    May 23, 2012 at 12:37 pm | Reply
    • skaai

      if you're referring to ""taint", the context in which it was used was appropriate and not vulgar as the word 'taint is not in itself vulgar, rather, the frequent association with the perineum in the jocular form is what leads dirty-minded folks to assume this innocuous word is guilty by association.... Some terms are perfectly innocuous (i.e., the "Hairy Ball Theorem") and perfectly appropriate for their application, it's the dirty-minded people who misinterpret such terms that ruins things.

      December 12, 2012 at 3:30 pm | Reply
  5. Lou Cypher

    Dr Mathra and Stephanie need to invest in better-quality lubricants.

    May 23, 2012 at 9:54 am | Reply
  6. JohnQPubliqu

    Now I remember why I hated calculus...don't like the parafin taste of Pringles!

    May 23, 2012 at 9:08 am | Reply
  7. Chipoholic

    I love the way Pringles fit on your tongue. It allows the most flavor sensation all at the same time.

    Speaking of chips, the absolute best chip ever made was Mrs. Gibbles Nibbles sour cream flavor. If anyone knows where you can get these let me know. I beilieve they are no longer on the market.

    May 22, 2012 at 8:46 pm | Reply
  8. Keith

    Now I remember why I took Calculus

    May 22, 2012 at 8:05 pm | Reply
  9. Scott2

    This made me hungry. Does that add up?

    May 22, 2012 at 5:00 pm | Reply
  10. FloridaErik

    Claiming a superior potato chip shape under the ruse of mathematics is the t'ain't of journalism.

    May 22, 2012 at 4:18 pm | Reply
  11. chuck

    How do you know the Stax aren't *negative* semidefinite?

    May 22, 2012 at 2:27 pm | Reply
  12. Scott

    ...and all of this just makes me wonder why Pringles Park in Jackson, TN is not shaped like a hyperbolic parabaloid (not even close). Think it's not possible? Check out a picture of ANZ stadium and see if it doesn't look at least a little like a Pringle (or the stadium in Capetown where they played part of the World Cup, or the design for Qatar's proposed lusail stadium).

    May 22, 2012 at 2:12 pm | Reply
  13. Natlaie

    I love the math!! I think pringles is still owned by proctor and gamble. Proctor and gamble has a long history of animal testing for cosmetics and cleaners. I try to avoid their products, even ones that were not tested on animals, because I don't support that kind of animal testing.

    May 22, 2012 at 1:43 pm | Reply
    • robert wills

      I know, making rabbits take a math test is just cruel!

      May 22, 2012 at 5:00 pm | Reply
      • Keith

        If you don't let them use their toes

        May 22, 2012 at 8:06 pm | Reply
  14. Joolio

    Could you ask Dr. Mathra if Pringles stack better than Lays? My guess is yes since I think there would be 'gaps' as you stacked the Lays Stax from the "positive definite curvature'

    May 22, 2012 at 12:26 pm | Reply
    • Little Timmy

      A lay is always better than bring pringled in the can.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:39 pm | Reply
  15. Rebyl.Ella

    Reblogged this on Trail Mix and commented:
    And THIS, my dear friends, is just one more reason to love Pringles.

    May 22, 2012 at 11:52 am | Reply
  16. Mocker

    The "taint" of critical points. Mathematicians are clueless. They even have a theorem called the "Hairy Ball Theorem"...

    May 22, 2012 at 10:50 am | Reply
    • UncleJohn

      The genteel version is, "tain't one or the other."

      Yes, I know what you were thinking.

      May 22, 2012 at 1:48 pm | Reply
    • KWDragon

      Actually, it is the mathematicians that are "in" on the jokes. They know EXACTLY what they are saying. :-)

      May 22, 2012 at 3:42 pm | Reply
  17. FedUpwithLA

    My kid beat up your calculus student, and then ate his potato chips. So, there! Welcome to the real world!

    May 22, 2012 at 10:48 am | Reply
    • Jon

      Cool, and then he grew up and made minimum wage while my calculus-studying son became a doctor.

      May 22, 2012 at 10:54 am | Reply
      • Allah_speaking

        It's unlikely your son who grew up to be a doctor took a whole lot of calculus...more likely organic chemistry and biology...although the generalized logistic differential equation does have a few applications in terms of blood pressure. But face facts, calculus is more the language of engineering, not medicine...

        May 22, 2012 at 11:14 am | Reply
        • finallyamom

          Too funny! My BS, MS, PhD engineer husband who then became a neurosurgeon swears that his engineering classes/background did almost nothing to get him into or through medical school. But it sure comes in handy when he spends his free time calculating the mathematics of practically everything around him :)

          May 22, 2012 at 7:43 pm |
        • anon

          Dr.'s like any other profession, start out in college the same as everyone else, which means often they will take classes that they don't need, like swimming, or country line dance. At least in the very beginning. It's a way for colleges to milk money off mom and dad.

          Calculus is offered even in high school, and in college, if you want a phd in any of the sciences, eventually you'll have to take it. Besides, I don't care how good they are at biology, if they don't have the critical thinking skill to pass calculus, then I don't want them so much as removing a hangnail off my little toe!! I know plenty of smart people who just can't do caluclus, but tinkering with my body is something I just don't think you can go cheap on.

          May 23, 2012 at 9:46 am |
    • Josh

      Are you Nelson Muntz's mom?

      May 22, 2012 at 11:18 am | Reply
    • TAK

      In school, the jocks and bullies called the nerds many things. After graduation, do you know what they call them? Boss.

      May 22, 2012 at 11:44 am | Reply
      • big w

        Called them for a job.

        May 23, 2012 at 6:27 am | Reply
    • Angela Birch

      The real world of the minimum wage worker who needs to perfect the right intonation when asking " do you want fries with that?" The real world of engineers, scientists, doctors. Nope. Got to wonder about a parent who thinks the real world consists of ignorant idiots beating up on the educated who will be the people who employ them, save their lives and build bridges that the minimum wage worker can bicycle home across.

      I see that bumper sticker on occasion, I always wonder what sort of parent thinks it is funny. I have come to believe it is a parent who needs an assistant french fry bagger.

      May 23, 2012 at 12:27 am | Reply
    • jake

      As the beat-up calc student – now all grown up and earning an awesome salary.... I say let the morons eat pringles, and take my trash, and my dig ditches, and serve my buttery popcorn when I go to the movies.

      Welcome to the real world indeed.

      May 23, 2012 at 9:45 am | Reply
  18. King-Ding-a-Ling

    I was hoping this article would say that a cylinder whose height is twice the radius has the minimum surface area and maximum volume. I learned this when I took Calculus using Lagrange Multipliers.

    May 22, 2012 at 10:01 am | Reply
    • fred1369

      is that the same as the height is equal to the diameter?

      May 22, 2012 at 10:51 am | Reply
    • David

      twice the radius? silly way to put that...

      May 22, 2012 at 10:59 am | Reply
      • Paul

        Twice the radius is clearly superious. Diameter? Please.

        May 22, 2012 at 11:20 am | Reply
        • Gezellig

          Really? "height is twice the radius" takes fewer letters than "height is equal to the diameter". So is the former really better? In fact, is this a linguistic or mathematics question?

          May 22, 2012 at 11:28 am |
        • Scott

          Well, this is why we teach elementary kids that the formula is Pi*D but when we study it in more advanced classes we say 2*pi*r. Everything is based on the Radius where possible, because the very formula for the shape is based on the distance of the object from the point in space it occupies. When you are doing formulaic comparisons for volume versus surface area, you use the integral of pi*r^2 dh for the disks and washers method of calculating volume and the integral of 2*pi*dr*h for the cylindrical shells method, so then keeping the usage of radius versus diameter makes lots of sense here so that you don't have to keep switching back and forth. All serious math folks know that you worry about Radius rather than diameter.

          May 22, 2012 at 1:59 pm |
        • King-Ding-a-Ling

          I'm a Civil Engineer and I took Calculus: I,II,III DifEq, Statics, Dynamics, Physics: Mechanics, E&M, Thermo, Quantum et al. We never used a formula that involved diameter. Always used radius here.

          May 22, 2012 at 3:22 pm |
        • jacob

          I got my BS in electrical engineering and masters in telecommunications engr... Just wondering why you'd take E&M and Quantum as a Civil engr... I took those classes since E&M was required and quantum because I got a minor in physics.

          May 22, 2012 at 5:07 pm |
        • King-Ding-a-Ling

          I went to the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. For CEE majors you have to take Physics: Classical Mechanics, and E&M. You then must take either quantum OR thermo. After I took Classical Mechanics and E&M, I went to a community college to retake E&M. In order for the credit to transfer back to UIUC, I had to take a total of 2 physics classes at the community college. At the community college they combine quantum and thermo in 1 course. So I ended up taking everything at the community college and got all A's :)

          May 22, 2012 at 5:41 pm |
        • Gezellig

          Well we also have the problem here in the South where the teacher says "Remember class, Pi R Squared". One student replied, "No teacher, Pie are Round, Cornbread are Squared!"

          May 22, 2012 at 8:40 pm |
        • Scott

          That comment about cornbread in the south being square is so not true. Everyone knows that true southern cornbread is made in a well-seasoned cast iron skillet (round). At least everyone with any modicum of math knowledge on here appears to agree that Radius is indeed the superior defining characteristic of circular objects (computer guy here with both math and computer science degrees for what it's worth).

          May 23, 2012 at 9:53 am |
  19. Abe

    I am quite sure there is no such title as "Calculus Professor"..."Professor of Mathematics" who teaches calculus (and usually other courses), yes...but NOT "Calculus Professor"...

    May 22, 2012 at 9:58 am | Reply
  20. chairweaver

    Oops, forget one of my two previous comments. (stumble fingers)

    May 22, 2012 at 9:56 am | Reply
  21. chairweaver

    By design I weave the seats of my benches in hyperbolic parabolas. Very comfortable, I use to like Pringles but now prefer the unpredictable shape of thicker, kettle cooked chips. Sort of chaotic.

    May 22, 2012 at 9:53 am | Reply
  22. chairweaver

    I use to like Pringles but have moved onto less predicable shapes of thicker chips. However, almost daily, I weave the seats of my benches, which are hyperbolic parabolas, designed on purpose. Very comfortable.

    May 22, 2012 at 9:50 am | Reply
  23. Bull Dung

    This broad and her husband have to be on crack. Pringles are nasty. They weren't made in heaven. In fact, they were crafted in the worst recesses of hell. They don't taste like potato chips. They taste like nasty mashed potatoes which were shaped into a potato chip.

    May 22, 2012 at 9:43 am | Reply
    • Angela Birch

      The flavor isn't the question. Some people like them and some do not. What is great is that a teacher is using their shape to teach kids

      May 23, 2012 at 12:37 am | Reply
  24. Pringlesareinherentlyfunny

    Sounds like perfect fodder for Sheldon on The Big Bang Theory!

    May 22, 2012 at 9:35 am | Reply
    • Rick

      And people wonder why and how our education system here in the USA has gone to hell!

      May 22, 2012 at 9:54 am | Reply
    • indydave

      This quotation:
      "They've got these Lays Stax right next to the Pringles as though they are equivalent. How can they do that? One is a positive semi-definite quadratic form and the other is an indefinite quadratic form – they're not even the same definiteness!"
      ... I TOTALLY read in Sheldon's voice – an especially petulant version of it, in fact.

      I wonder if there's any similar snack device that illustrates a perfect inflection point,...

      May 22, 2012 at 10:11 pm | Reply
  25. GF

    Unfortunately, having recently discovered that I have celiac disease, Pringles unlike Lays Stax have gluten. This is a very entertaining story that has succeeded in making me pine for Pringles but stuck with Stax.

    May 22, 2012 at 9:31 am | Reply
    • jake

      Oh man... that sucks : /

      May 23, 2012 at 9:47 am | Reply
  26. Curt

    What a loser.

    May 22, 2012 at 9:31 am | Reply
  27. George

    Lays Stax are the best – for one reason alone. Lays are GLUTEN FREE, where as Pringles – are not. Pringles with all their wonderful varieties – are poisonous to anyone with Celiac Disease, a growing population throughout the world. Lays – are safe and delicious. Thank heavens for Staks!

    May 22, 2012 at 9:26 am | Reply
    • Sun

      You shouldn't be eating chips AT ALL if you have celiac disease. Nor should you be eating processed foods. So you can claim Pringles have 'poison' for you, all you want, because you are a hypocrite.

      May 22, 2012 at 10:35 am | Reply
    • basketcase

      @sun- Why not eat chips when you have celiac disease? The problem isn't processed foods, it's gluten. If it's gluten free there's no reason (in regards to the disease) not to eat it.

      May 22, 2012 at 10:47 am | Reply
  28. Tr1Xen

    I think I would like this prof!

    May 22, 2012 at 9:21 am | Reply
  29. Mike in NJ

    Great article. But please don't call the saddle "the taint" of critical points. Just don't. Seriously.

    May 22, 2012 at 9:19 am | Reply
    • sosofresh

      this

      May 22, 2012 at 9:51 am | Reply
  30. Mendozian

    Awesome. Just awesome.

    May 22, 2012 at 9:12 am | Reply
  31. KP

    Bending any material with a positive Poisson's ratio will result in a saddle shape, so they are incredibly common. The professor should be teaching his students about anticlastic bending and it's implications on sheet metal, beams, etc. instead of buying Pringles so he can listen to himself talk :-p

    May 22, 2012 at 8:58 am | Reply
  32. rizzo

    Pringles taste like oily cardboard and they're always broken inside their awesome carton. Buy a bag of chips.

    May 22, 2012 at 8:29 am | Reply
    • Mike

      Yes, because there are never any broken chips in bag... and usually are not greasy either.

      May 22, 2012 at 8:54 am | Reply
    • Alex

      i have to agree...pringles are not the greatest tasting snack.

      May 22, 2012 at 9:08 am | Reply
    • Hobo

      Bags of chips are 3/4 air, zero calories, zero fat, the new weight loss chip!

      May 22, 2012 at 9:13 am | Reply
    • rizzo

      @Mike: Chip makers also don't brag about how awesome their bags are at stopping breakage. Plus chips taste, you know, good.

      May 22, 2012 at 11:42 am | Reply
  33. Absinth

    Dr. Mathra is the coolest math teacher name ever.

    May 22, 2012 at 8:29 am | Reply
    • scottbiddle

      ...and the name Mathra just makes me want to say "Mothra" in the long, drawn out, high pitched way they said Moooothraaaa! in the movie "Mothra"

      May 22, 2012 at 10:01 am | Reply
  34. Kurt

    1) Very old stock photo, it's also a Japanese grocery 2) Why is there like uber-hate for Lays Stax, and 3) OMG does the editor know what taint means???????

    May 22, 2012 at 7:50 am | Reply
    • ag

      Um, I guess not, and neither do I.

      May 23, 2012 at 3:36 pm | Reply
  35. Brian

    In my opinion, the author provides absolute zero mathematical reasoning as to why the shape of the pringle provides "maximum snack satisfaction" other than a permutation novelty. If it's for maximizing or optimizing packaging, it fails in that regard as well. A flat pringle would provide a couple more chips per can and taste just as good.

    May 22, 2012 at 7:20 am | Reply
    • alex

      actually it will have more taste since the surface area of the saddle shape is greater than that of the round flat disk, leaving less area to deposit the flavoring agent on and less contact area for the tongue, and since the shape is stackable it does allow for more dense chip packaging than traditional chips, which improves portability and reduces shipping costs, and allows for a rigid container that reduces breakage. additionally the shape is more uniform and areodynamic allowing for more predictable flipability of the chip into a gaping maw. of course you are correct in your observation that none of that is discussed in the article so the writer would have failed to prove her thesis even though there are supporting factors to argue.

      May 22, 2012 at 8:05 am | Reply
      • alex

        correction it will have more area for flavoring agent and more contact with the tongue, forgot to change that after flipping the subject shapes.

        May 22, 2012 at 8:07 am | Reply
      • bob aussie

        actually the surface area for taste increases when the chip is broken up in the mouth. So the actual determination of maximum taste would be to what extend the chip's can be divided to increase the surface area to react with the taste sensors of the mouth. And taste would also be relative to the number and sensitivity of the taste buds. So the packaging shape of the chip has nothing to do with taste, except to the extent it has a psychological or emotional appeal to the person buying the chips. Mathematics, Biology, Chemistry, Physics, and Psychology mashed together to sell a food item......

        May 22, 2012 at 9:32 am | Reply
    • Econ

      A flat chip may be more susceptible to breakage. The shape of the chip allows the chips to be stacked close together in a hug, reducing breakage from shaking around in the shipping process. Broken chips have a negative impact on consumer utility. This shape likely delivers fewer broken chips to the consumer, which maximizes overall utility.

      May 22, 2012 at 8:51 am | Reply
  36. Whatever

    I remember well the reason I will Never by this product again -their TV ad from over 10 years ago....The "Once you pop (the can open) you just can't stop' campaign........a 10 year old girl on a see saw bouncing up and down, the tape cut to make it speed & stop like -with a pack of boys cheering her on, with the 'once you 'pop' you just can't stop' song.......It was Nothing short of utterly por no graphic -and this newly 'popped' girl bouncing on that see saw like a drunken sorority girl getting on witgh a mechanical bull, was a mere child. -but oh well, ANY thing to sell a product.........

    May 22, 2012 at 6:42 am | Reply
    • -this-ever-

      I remember the commercial you refer to. I remember everyone in the commercial being fully clothed. I remember children playing on a playground, eating some pringles. I don't remember any lewd, lascivious looks on anyone's face. If you read pornography into this commercial, or any other commercials featuring fully clothed children, the problem lies with YOU, not the advertiser.

      May 22, 2012 at 7:59 am | Reply
    • Anon

      Sounds like you need to pop open a can of fun, sir. Taking offense to stupid things like this will get you nowhere.

      May 22, 2012 at 8:18 am | Reply
    • rizzo

      You sound like a pervert.

      May 22, 2012 at 8:34 am | Reply
      • jake

        ... yep, mind in the gutter. keeping my kids away from this guy.

        May 23, 2012 at 9:50 am | Reply
    • FXM

      Wars will start and end. People will die by the millions, billions even. Pestilence, famine, disease. Entire species wiped out completely, never to be seen again. Children will be torn from their parents and rendered asunder, their tiny arms grasping desperately at the very last clutches of life.

      And it's all okay with you, as long as nobody sees a boobie. Idiot.

      May 22, 2012 at 9:16 am | Reply
    • archchuzzlewit

      Did you seriously just post this? Wow....

      May 22, 2012 at 10:59 am | Reply
    • Jason

      What kind of pervert watches that commercial and sees pornography? Stay the hell away from kids.

      May 22, 2012 at 11:40 am | Reply
  37. hfgh

    Old picture. Pringles hasn't used that logo on their cans since 2001.

    May 22, 2012 at 4:57 am | Reply
    • Jonathan

      The can of Pringles in my room disagrees....

      May 22, 2012 at 8:56 am | Reply
  38. arcsin

    I like how taint was incorporated into the article.

    May 22, 2012 at 4:45 am | Reply
    • Falconiformes

      Agreed! XD

      Bonus Round: The author appears to be clueless regarding its well known alternate meaning (PS: For a hint, UrbanDictionary.com).

      May 22, 2012 at 3:53 pm | Reply
      • Kat Kinsman

        Nope - we know. We just reserve the right to get a little naughty on occasion.

        May 22, 2012 at 4:18 pm | Reply
  39. SP.

    Well Lays Stax are superior in taste, texture, and strength in my opinion, but the point about the shape is very intriguing. I love the shape of Pringles and I'm sure Stax are parabolic to avoid a complete copy of Pringles. But Stax are so delicious...

    May 22, 2012 at 4:15 am | Reply
  40. Kenny

    I LOVE Pringles and I buy the Sour Cream & Onion whenever I can, but I don't get this stupid article. They used math to define the Pringles' shape, of which made me drool all the way to the end.

    May 22, 2012 at 3:04 am | Reply
  41. Duck Lips

    Hey, if you put two chips opposite each other and then put them in your mouth...you have duck lips!

    May 22, 2012 at 2:53 am | Reply
    • JoAnMi

      That was always fun!

      May 22, 2012 at 8:08 am | Reply
  42. Don Lucuis

    Reblogged this on Don Lucuis' Chronicle.

    May 22, 2012 at 2:50 am | Reply
  43. TAK

    This article was wasted on most Americans. They don't believe in calculus, or evolution, or a spherical Earth...

    May 22, 2012 at 1:16 am | Reply
    • str8whtguy

      TAK, you make a good point. But I'd refine your comment to say that most Americans just don't take the time or effort to understand these things. Sad that logical analysis is becoming a lost art.

      May 22, 2012 at 1:30 am | Reply
    • Me

      hey don't talk about my coastally deprived brethren like that!

      May 22, 2012 at 2:16 am | Reply
    • Say What?

      uhhhhh, pull my finger

      May 22, 2012 at 8:03 am | Reply
    • Todd

      Which is why they need more of such articles. The media avoids math like the plague. It is like if people begin using the concepts of math, they just might be able begin effective problem solving. Not the touchy feely liberal arts method, of coming with a stupid idea, and the stupid idea that wins is the one that is most eloquently put.

      May 22, 2012 at 8:32 am | Reply
    • mmshiro

      But what if the article made them feel good?

      May 22, 2012 at 8:36 am | Reply
  44. Me

    "I think Pringles' initial intention was to make tennis balls. But on the day that the rubber was supposed to show up, a big truckload of potatoes arrived. But Pringles was a laid-back company. They said "F**k it. Cut 'em up"

    RIP Mitch!

    May 22, 2012 at 1:02 am | Reply
    • str8whtguy

      Like your logic! Shall we open a can with a nice bottle of, uh, ... I'm at a loss. But I'd prefer a can of Pringles over tennis balls any day.

      May 22, 2012 at 1:06 am | Reply
    • Pringlesareinherentlyfunny

      Mitch Hedberg was hilarious. Wish he was still here.

      May 22, 2012 at 9:38 am | Reply
  45. str8whtguy

    I took a LOT of calculus in college, and took Physics 201 three times before I passed it. Interesting stuff, but I ended up switching my major to History. But the critical thinking, analysis, and logic in my math and physics classes helped me tremendously in my history classes. I spent 15 very successful years in private business, and now teach operations management classes at the college level. I feel that ALL college students, regardless of their area of study, be able to get through a basic calculus course.

    May 22, 2012 at 12:55 am | Reply
  46. Greg

    THIS article has been on the CNN homepage for several days? WHAT THE HECK!?

    May 22, 2012 at 12:34 am | Reply
    • JoAnMi

      I love Pringles.

      May 22, 2012 at 8:10 am | Reply
    • Eric Roberts

      Greg, did you expect actual news, an important issue, or something? LOL

      May 22, 2012 at 8:17 am | Reply
  47. Bill

    I majored in math in college and my eyes glazed over halfway through.

    May 21, 2012 at 11:53 pm | Reply
  48. ludvig

    I wonder what multi variable calculus is like. Engineers at my school had to take 3 semesters of calculus and one of differential equations. The first calculus class was differential, the second integral, and I don't remember what the 3rd class I took was about. My son had troubles with the 3rd semester, so he found an engineering discipline where it wasn't required. Construction engineering management majors could take accounting in its place. Calculus helped me change majors, as my mechanical engineering advisor told me "You're not mechanically adept, are you? You should think about changing majors." About that time, I took a second semester physics test with some gaussian integration in it and had this PHD in Nuclear Physics come up to me in the hallway and hug me and say "I'm so proud of you. The class average on the physics test was a 27 and you got a 93 and only 3 out of 400 students got the gaussian integration problem right and you were on of them." I went down and changed my major to Nuclear as I figured he thought I was smart and the mechanical engineering instructor did not. That was about 40 years ago and now I'm happily retired, until I see the Repuglicans are trying to mess with my pension and benefits. To me that's like someone breaking in your house and trying to steal from you. I'm definitely voting for Obama and the Democrats all the way.

    May 21, 2012 at 11:22 pm | Reply
    • Sean

      Only took a few minutes for some silly person to make a tie into the politics. You do know that not everything is tied to politics and this was intended to just be a fun article. Quit being a stick in the mud and attempt to enjoy yourself.

      May 22, 2012 at 8:27 am | Reply
    • mmshiro

      Way to use the nuclear option on that article!

      May 22, 2012 at 8:38 am | Reply
  49. Gezellig

    So, when are they going to come out with M&Ms in the Pringle's shape?

    May 21, 2012 at 11:16 pm | Reply
  50. Stu

    if only they could design the container so that i could fit my hand in to reach the bottom chips.

    May 21, 2012 at 11:12 pm | Reply
    • Gezellig

      Don't you understand, that is what evolution is for. Besides, if the Pringles can changed, it would not be as useful for a wireless internet range extention antenna. Seriously, google Pringles can antenna for instructions.

      May 21, 2012 at 11:20 pm | Reply
    • Gezellig

      Don't you understand, that is what evolution is for. Besides, if the Pringles can changed, it would not be as useful for a wireless internet range extention antenna. Seriously, google "pringles can antenna" for information..

      May 21, 2012 at 11:28 pm | Reply
    • hfgh

      The guy who invented the can was actually buried in it. Wikipedia: "Pringles, as a product brand, is especially known for its packaging, a tubular paperboard can with a foil-lined interior and a resealable plastic lid, which was invented by Fredric J. Baur. Baur (1918-2008) was an organic chemist and food storage technician who specialized in research and development and quality control for Cincinnati-based P&G. Baur's children honored his request to bury him in one of the cans by placing part of his cremated remains in a Pringles container in his grave.[20][21][22]"

      May 22, 2012 at 4:52 am | Reply
  51. Exy

    Pringles Aren't Potato Chips, British Court Rules

    (Newser) – It’s official: Pringles are legally no longer considered potato chips in England—and manufacturer Procter & Gamble couldn’t be happier, Reuters reports. In an effort to avoid the UK's tax on chips, P&G went to court to argue the tube-dwelling snacks were actually more like cakes or biscuits. It turns out Pringles aren’t even made of potatoes.

    Pringles are actually made from dough, P&G argued, featuring a unique taste and texture and a shape that’s “not found in nature.” The court was convinced. “This appeal is allowed,” the judges said, “because Pringles are not, on the facts found, products 'made from the potato, or from potato flour or from potato starch.’”

    May 21, 2012 at 10:39 pm | Reply
  52. FrankenFood

    Think you're eating potatoes when you eat Pringles? Think again. Pringles have little potato in them. Enjoy.

    May 21, 2012 at 9:57 pm | Reply
    • JasonLinMT

      42% potato... also a lot of wheat...

      So what. They taste good. Wheat is food.

      May 22, 2012 at 3:19 am | Reply
  53. Bob

    What a waste of time! Would anybody like to hear about my conversation about debits and credits that I had with my wife? This article was nothing but the author trying to show how smart her and her husband are and how stupid everybody else is!

    May 21, 2012 at 9:49 pm | Reply
    • Josh

      And in your case, a resounding success!

      May 21, 2012 at 10:47 pm | Reply
      • Philanor

        LOL ! Josh, that was a witty reply, I can't help break out laughing and reply to it!

        May 22, 2012 at 1:31 am | Reply
    • Jimmm

      Lays Stax fan?

      May 21, 2012 at 11:24 pm | Reply
    • Old-Skool Conservative

      *"she" - But thanks for the irony. :-)

      May 22, 2012 at 7:19 am | Reply
  54. HenryMiller

    Actually, since hyperbolic paraboloids are not rotationally symmetric on a horizontal axis, if you turned a hyperbolic paraboloid Pringle up-side down, it wouldn't nest with a right-side up Pringle.

    I suspect Pringles are actually sections of hyperbolic hyperboloids, not hyperbolic paraboloids.

    May 21, 2012 at 8:42 pm | Reply
    • Gezellig

      So does this mean no civil unions? I mean, I am progressive and all, and, so, what does this mean? I am so confused.

      May 21, 2012 at 11:07 pm | Reply
  55. grandma

    my grandma loved those. she died of stomach cancer though.

    May 21, 2012 at 8:23 pm | Reply
    • I miss your grandma

      My thoughts go out to you. Seriously, they really do.

      May 22, 2012 at 8:32 am | Reply
  56. Rel

    There's no such thing as a "calculus professor."

    There are math teachers, and math professors.

    May 21, 2012 at 8:19 pm | Reply
    • Vic

      That was my first side thought when reading this.

      May 21, 2012 at 9:41 pm | Reply
    • James

      Except for when they solely teach calculus?

      May 21, 2012 at 10:11 pm | Reply
    • Gezellig

      And dental hygienist.

      May 21, 2012 at 11:10 pm | Reply
    • JasonLinMT

      So a "math professor" that teaches a calculus class is not a "calculus professor"?

      If you ask someone who the person that taught them calculus was, would you say "Who was your math professor for calculus" or would you say "Who was your calculus professor"?

      When I talk about the professor that taught me calculus, I say "My calculus professor..."

      And, are you sure that no where in the world is there a "math professor" that only teaches X number of calculus classes each semester and no other math classes? You know this for a fact?

      You're just being ridiculous.

      May 22, 2012 at 3:23 am | Reply
  57. Iceman

    I prefer to eat natural taint, zero calories!

    May 21, 2012 at 8:09 pm | Reply
    • T-Luv

      T'aint that the truth!

      May 21, 2012 at 8:15 pm | Reply
    • Gezellig

      Actually, 42 calories per fluid ounce on average, if you don't mind dealing with the facts.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:46 am | Reply
  58. sammcnerney

    This sounds like a shameless plug for Safeway and Pringles.

    May 21, 2012 at 8:01 pm | Reply
  59. Babaruge

    I used to use Pringles as a teaching aid for a Musculo-Skeletal Anatomy class! They make perfect Saddle Joints, which are found in the thumbs.

    May 21, 2012 at 7:43 pm | Reply
  60. cpc65

    The perfect thing about the Pringles curvature is that when you slide one whole into your mouth, curve down of course, you get the maximum tongue coverage for maximum salt and starch saturation of the taste buds.

    May 21, 2012 at 7:27 pm | Reply
  61. unowhoitsme

    Great for math...horrible for human consumption. Anything in that shape isn't "natural"...just examine the ingredients.

    May 21, 2012 at 7:24 pm | Reply
    • Schmedley

      crunch crunch chunch... Lighten up dude... crunch crunch chunch...

      May 21, 2012 at 7:55 pm | Reply
    • brian

      As opposed to supernatural? Maybe preternatural? Are you saying the preservatives are warped in from a different reality?

      May 21, 2012 at 7:57 pm | Reply
    • Literalist

      unowhoitsme: so you're saying that there's a shape that nothing natural can be sliced into?

      May 22, 2012 at 1:24 am | Reply
  62. cpc65

    Is that what their tuition money goes towards? What do they do with Goobers I wonder?

    May 21, 2012 at 7:22 pm | Reply
  63. harryh

    A hyperbolic paraboloid can be easily folded out of a piece of paper without cutting. Done by doing a square accordion fold towards the center of the paper. It the process it can also be used to demonstrate several other mathematical results.

    May 21, 2012 at 7:19 pm | Reply
  64. LKT

    This article makes me wax nostalgic....it acurately captures almost all my conversations with my ex-husband. He, too, would get quite excited, and unfortunately confrontational, over something beautifully mundane. LOL!

    May 21, 2012 at 7:14 pm | Reply
  65. Andrew

    I feel I should make the obligitory "A topologist can't tell the difference between his coffee cup and the donught he dunks in it" comment.

    Though these concepts aren't *that* hard for students to pick up, these pringles are probably designed for a first or second year course, and well within the reach of most people and far more useful than most people believe.

    May 21, 2012 at 7:10 pm | Reply
    • HenryMiller

      My mother used to make cinnamon buns that were Möbius strips. To make them, she cut strips of the dough to the right dimensions, then cross her arms in an odd way, pick up the ends of each strip, untangle her arms, and mush the ends together.

      May 21, 2012 at 8:55 pm | Reply
      • esmiranda

        I can visualize that – kind of a twist motion with the strip, then press the doughy ends together to make the mobius. That reminds me of a piece of art by Escher.

        May 22, 2012 at 5:16 am | Reply
  66. chris

    I love the comments more than the article. It's good to know eggheads waste oxygen too.

    May 21, 2012 at 7:01 pm | Reply
  67. eman

    I only eat snack foods with a shape that I can replicate with paper. For obvious reasons, eating anything else would be foolish, and down right dangerous. He may be a math wiz, but he has no common sense.

    May 21, 2012 at 6:47 pm | Reply
  68. Maria

    What is the perfect amount of potato to be in a potato chip? Is it 42% potato content? Ew...

    May 21, 2012 at 6:33 pm | Reply
    • Josh

      u Suck Maria eho doesnt like pringles or his stache

      May 21, 2012 at 7:10 pm | Reply
    • Schmedley

      oh yay, another tiresome health freak...

      May 21, 2012 at 7:55 pm | Reply
  69. Alex

    An amusing and informative article.
    Here is a joke for the author's husband: What is a mathematician's favorite song? "Take It To The Limit" by The Eagles

    May 21, 2012 at 6:28 pm | Reply
    • Andrew

      And a frequent joke for high school students

      "integrate (1/cabin)d(cabin)" = ln(cabin)+c, or a log cabin by the sea.

      May 21, 2012 at 7:12 pm | Reply
      • Robert

        Change your +c constant to -ln(c). So you have ln(cabin) – ln(c). Use properties of ln to make it ln(cabin/c) which would make it a houseboat.

        May 22, 2012 at 5:14 pm | Reply
  70. jimmy

    so pringles are negatively curved space? more appetizing than "the taint of snack foods!"

    May 21, 2012 at 6:22 pm | Reply
    • tma

      Tain't so! I way I read the artical. It depends on where you are looking at it. Fron the doom down it's negative, but from the bowl up it's all positive! And that's how I like my bowl filled up.

      May 21, 2012 at 9:46 pm | Reply
  71. Josh

    Great little article!

    May 21, 2012 at 6:18 pm | Reply
  72. Jamie

    My math professor at the University of Cincinnati developed Pringles way back in the day. The man is genious. Harrison Stebbins is his name.:) this is awesome I have to share this with him.

    May 21, 2012 at 6:16 pm | Reply
    • Randy

      Did he invent SPAM, too?

      May 21, 2012 at 6:38 pm | Reply
      • sqeptiq

        Monty Python invented Spam.

        May 21, 2012 at 9:04 pm | Reply
        • basketcase

          Spam Spam Spam Spam Spamity-Spam!

          May 22, 2012 at 11:05 am |
  73. Michael

    Just be thankful he doesn't teach tensor anaylsis.

    May 21, 2012 at 6:04 pm | Reply
  74. steve

    I like both calculus and Pringles, but I fail to see the purpose of this piece.

    May 21, 2012 at 6:02 pm | Reply
    • nate

      pompous blather

      May 21, 2012 at 7:53 pm | Reply
    • Kapnkaos

      No one "likes" calculus...

      May 21, 2012 at 8:32 pm | Reply
      • HenryMiller

        Calculus is fun. Euclidean geometry, on the other hand...

        May 21, 2012 at 8:59 pm | Reply
      • Euler

        I derive pleasure from calculus

        May 22, 2012 at 3:16 am | Reply
  75. newt

    The shape is also known as a pseudosphere, or more properly a section of a pseudosphere, an equally wonderful figure in non euclid geo. Sad that this is wasted on the majority of CNN readers, who, I suspect, are at a min.

    May 21, 2012 at 6:00 pm | Reply
    • Sandy Duncan's Glass Eye

      I'll take a tesseract over your three-dimensional pseudo-taint.

      May 21, 2012 at 6:33 pm | Reply
      • vulpecula

        clicked on the video below because I was board, totally knowing what to expect. Then as I watched, My eye wandered back up to your user name and I about fell out of my chair laughing.

        May 21, 2012 at 9:13 pm | Reply
        • vulpecula

          bored*

          May 21, 2012 at 9:14 pm |
    • Will

      May 21, 2012 at 6:38 pm | Reply
      • esmiranda

        Loved it. I would have watched all of it if I didn't have to get up and get ready for work. Cheers!

        May 22, 2012 at 5:13 am | Reply
      • JellyBean

        LM F AO!

        May 22, 2012 at 8:27 am | Reply
  76. Jesus Christ

    bite me

    May 21, 2012 at 5:49 pm | Reply
  77. sancho

    Egghead likes his booky-wook!

    May 21, 2012 at 5:47 pm | Reply
  78. Leucadia Bob

    May 21, 2012 at 5:44 pm | Reply
  79. jordansexton

    Taint, eh?

    May 21, 2012 at 5:28 pm | Reply
  80. Justin

    That was a wasted 2 minutes!

    May 21, 2012 at 5:28 pm | Reply
    • Andy

      Hell yea

      May 21, 2012 at 5:53 pm | Reply
    • DM

      and you were so upset about it you spent another 60 seconds leaving a comment?

      May 21, 2012 at 6:23 pm | Reply
  81. Carolyn in CT

    That was delightful.

    May 21, 2012 at 3:50 pm | Reply

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