 “Within a few minutes, I spot a rabbit and make my first kill with the bow and arrow. It’s not my usual clean shot through the eye, but I’ll take it,” says the narrator in “The Hunger Games.” “The Hunger Games” is the wildly popular trilogy of dystopian novels by Suzanne Collins – and the narrator is not a stereotypical camouflage-clad hunter; she’s a 16-year-old girl. The eagerly anticipated first film of the series hits theaters on March 23, and with the growing popularity of protagonist Katniss Everdeen, aims to shoot down conventional ideas of people who hunt. Mikayla grew up in a hunting family, took up the bow at the age of two and passed Hunter Education by the time she was 10 years old. Her father is Gary Lewis, a popular outdoor writer and television host. “In our family, we try to eat mainly wild meat. Deer and elk are staples on our table,” he says. Being part of the young adult demographic, Mikayla has read “The Hunger Games” and found more than entertainment within the pages - she found a little bit of herself. “Katniss is a good representation of female hunters. We're not what you expect,” Mikayla says. “We can be pretty just like any other girl, even if we're not afraid to get dirty.” Fifteen-year-old Savannah Rogers of Cleveland, Georgia, also grew up hunting and pored through the “Hunger Games” trilogy. “Katniss is a very independent young woman like me, who enjoys the outdoor environment. We both like the peace and tranquility offered by the cover of the trees,” she says. “Hunting offers an escape for the both of us so that we can forget our troubling lives outside of our territory.” Savannah killed her first deer at her dad’s hunting club when she was eight years old. Her mom was in the box stand with her. “I believe self-provision and self-reliance in all aspects of life are important to learn for a multitude of reasons,” says Savannah’s mother, Rachel Rogers. “I’ll try to keep it simple. The saying, ‘Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime’ is true to the core.” But unlike Mikayla and Savannah, not every girl who hunts now spent their childhood tucked away in deer hunting stands. Before becoming a cook at celebrated farm-to-table restaurant Blue Hill at Stone Barns in Pocantico Hills, New York, self-described “city girl” Georgia Pellegrini worked with a slightly more corporate crowd as a financial analyst for Lehman Brothers. It was at Stone Barns that Pellegrini, now 30, killed her first animal - a wild turkey - at the instruction of her chef. “It was an emotionally intense moment, but a transformative moment,” she says. “It’s always really scary to cross over that threshold and do something like that. But once I crossed over it, it felt very natural.” While Pellegrini says she receives the same dubious looks as Savannah and Mikayla mentioned, the overall reaction to her lifestyle is surprisingly less judgmental than she expected. “I don’t get a lot of bad reactions. I would have expected to have more,” she says, adding that most of the non-hunters she has spoken to are “quietly curious;” they admire her, but don’t think they could do it themselves. In her book “Girl Hunter,” Pellegrini makes sure to point out that in Roman mythology, the master of the hunt was the goddess Diana – not a man. “It’s actually a form of sophistication to know how to shoot properly as a woman in England. In this country, hunting became a sign of being less evolved, whereas in other cultures, it’s a sign of being more evolved,” she says. If anything, Pellegrini asserts femininity is an advantage in the field. “Own the fact that you’re a woman. Women are wonderful shots. They’re very meticulous, patient and they’re very careful,” says Pellegrini. Mikayla agrees: “The stereotypical hunter is expected to be a fat, drunk dude, and the stereotypical girl is expected to be squeamish and delicate. I feel like girls who are hunters are in the special position to punch both stereotypes in the face."
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What people fail to realize is that, without a natural predator or other stabilizing element, animal populations begin to grow wildly out of control until the point that they becomes unsustainable, usually through lack of food or living space. Anyone who took middle school science should have learned this when they taught about food webs.
Killing animals for food is murder.......tasty, tasty, murder. Mmmmmmmmm.
This deer isn't a vegetarian at all! It must be evil.
Eerie silence from the Vegans after this post.
"Hmm. It DOES taste like chicken."
I'm guessing the vegans against hunting are also pro-choice? Anyone against hunting who is pro-choice lacks common sense.
mmm, a big hunk of meat sounds tasty right about now.
As I've established, some of you dont like hunting, or rather, despise the idea of any human killing anything. Yes, there are some inhumane hunters, its bound to happen, but there are many people who still hold up the old traditions of eating what you kill. now you may be thinking so what, just buy your food at a market and you wont need to hunt. However, modern day hunting isnt just about food, its about conservation. It may sound like an oxymoron but its true. If the United States didn't have such a large hunting program, these animals we all love would die off. Hunters help control the populations from going out of control and becoming too high. If we were to stop hunting, the animals would reach their carrying capacity and they would eventually die from starvation, disease, and over crowding. If you dont believe me just research Reindeer on St. Paul's Island. All the money from licensees along with a small amount from guns and ammo go towards the efforts of preserving these species. So, if you dont agree with hunting thats fine, but I would appreciate it if you would consider buying a duck stamp, or a trout stamp. They are required for those who do pursue these species, but if the non hunter purchased them, it would bring in more money for the conservation of these animals, which is the ultimate goal for everyone.
As an outdoorsman and a hunter, it truly is hard not to lash out when reading so many anti hunting comments. Not because I have any hatred toward the individual themselves, but because of a lack of understanding and education on what the outdoors and hunting is about. It is frustrating to read such hateful and damaging comments that are base largely on emotion and incorrect fact gathering. The hardest part is when dealing with a topic that obviously can be quite emotional, to have an opposing viewpoint walk a mile in our shoes to understand why we hunt and why we enjoy it so much.
There will always be stereotypes in the press that will give hunters and gun owners a bad reputation. Unfortunately these are a vast minority, just as there is a teacher, a cop, a doctor that will make the news for bad reasons that can give an organization or group a name. We always see the bad in things in the press, and not enough the good. I don't expect anyone or everyone to like hunting. As a hunter, I just want people to understand it on our level and know that we have a greater respect for the animals we hunt and the ones we don't compared to many people who have never set foot outside of suburbia.
There are countless individuals out there who eat meat , but are against people who hunt. This I can not understand (Vegans, I will never understand). As I hunter, I would much rather take and eat an animal that I know where it came from, and as the responsible party for taking it's life, the respect I have for that animal, and the meat it has provided my family will never be taken for granted.
Compare that to the millions of people who mindlessly pull up to a drive thru or sit at a restaurant, order a burger or steak, and never now where that animal came from, what it ate, and throw away the leftovers because they do not have that connection with the animal. To pursue, take, clean, butcher and eat an animal allows you a very unique chance to respect that animal that gave it's live for you and respect every last bite on your plate, that is something both powerful and enlightening.
What a lot of non-hunters also do not realize, is that it's the hunters who provide the money to conservation programs to save and enhance our wild life areas and stabilize and grow populations of our wildlife. Californians, would not know what a wild turkey looked like if it wasn't for the millions of dollars donated by hunters to the National Wild Turkey Federation who reestablished the wild turkey in their state. Hunters want to preserve our wildlife and its habitat. The last thing we want to do is eliminate it. Unlike Anti hunting organization such as PETA who take in millions of dollars of years to spit back propaganda just to eliminate hunting. Instead of using that money to help build wildlife areas and conservation, it's all goes to propaganda to further a sickly uneducated cause.
We’re not cowards, we’re not heartless, and we’re not all red neck hillbillies. We are fathers, doctors, teachers, cops, writers. When we take an animal, we feel for that animal and respect it a trillion times more than someone who has never felt and smelled the air of an autumn day in the woods. That’s why when we kill that animal, we do everything in our power to make it a clean kill and consume every bit of meat that animal gave it’s life for.
I guess I could on for ever. I haven’t even scratched the service of who hunters are, why we do it and why you should be thankful for us and not chastise us for what we do. All we ask is for your respect and an opportunity to give everyone a better understanding of what we’re all about before you try to take us down. Walk a mile in a man’s shoes…..
Thanks for a thoughtful reply.
In the same line of thought, here are a my hunting stories as to how, as an outdoors enthusiast and middle-age woman who hated hunters, became one of "them."
Years One & Two – my best friend (and vegan) said that it should be published in Vegan Times as it offers a completely different view of what people expect of hunting.
http://myrbou.blogspot.com/2010/02/sheelah-huntress.html
And my last year, where I converted to using a bow and had my first successful hunt.
http://myrbou.blogspot.com/2012/02/chronicles-of-sheena-year-three.html
In my opinion, anyone who eats meat and is anti-hunting is an hypocrite, as somewhere, someone is doing the dirty job for you, and oftentimes, in less "humane" conditions... If you eat meat and are against hunting, educate yourself as to where your meat comes from, how it lived, what it ate, how it died, and how it was processed. You may be surprised (or at the very least, appalled).
I wouldn't necessarily say that anyone who eats meat and does not hunt is a hypocrite, but certainly anyone who eats meat and castigates hunters is. With, IMO, the exception of the (hopefully) few who hunt just for sport. I think if you take the life of an animal while hunting, it's disrespectful and inhumane to not use it.
This is a very difficult topic to approach. Hunting isn’t for everyone. I’ve been hunter over 20 years now. Some suggest that all hunters are some kind of redneck, drunken trailer trash that kills for fun. That’s blatantly stereotypical. Sure there are some bad apples, but what group (any group) doesn’t have them? More often than not, hunters are well educated, white collar professionals.
I've never met a hunter that enjoyed killing, just for killings sake. I think it’s more complex than that. My view is that the death of the animal is only a small part of the overall experience, but a significant part. How we handle that death is what defines us as humans. It’s a moral dilemma and you’d be surprised how frequently this topic is discussed among hunters.
Inside of each hunter is something that drives us to hunt. For some, it’s a sport. It's just something to do and get us out of the house once in awhile. For others, like me, it’s a primordial experience, deeply visceral. It’s some deep seated drive to control our surroundings in the most basic way, our food supply. It brings back a time when survival depended on one’s own abilities, and for me, it allows me to walk in the footsteps of the ancient ones. Stripped of all outside influences, success meant life.
I’m happiest when I still hunt, alone. In the early days, every time I saw a deer, there came an adrenaline rush that was electric, almost painful, and I almost always choked the first shot and missed. As I got older, I was able to control the adrenaline through what I can only describe as hyper-focus. There's still the excitement but it’s channeled and directed. Frequently, I’m able to close within a few yards of an animal, and just as frequently let them walk.
Success is measured by the overall hunt, not the kill.
It’s not till I see the animal on the ground that the emotions take effect, the overwhelming sense of relief and pride, the shaking, the happiness and the remorse. The relief, because the hunts over. The shaking because of tension, the happiness for success and remorse for life ended. Kneeling beside the animal, palm on the fur is a moment of reverence and conflicting emotions and immense gratitude. It’s a deeply spiritual experience. There are no high fives, no shouting, just a quietly spoken “thank you”.
Maybe I over think the whole thing, but it’s what defines me as a hunter and a human being. Hunting is just too complex to blithely write off as “thrill killing”, or with a statement such as “I like to kill”. That’s just too simple.
In any given year, I’d guess 75% of the meat I eat is wild game that I’ve killed myself. I like it that way. I can see what I’m putting on my plate. I know how healthy the animal was and how it was treated before it showed up on my table.
If it’s the term “hunting” that upsets people, may we can call it “in pursuit of free range organic protein.” Either way, I’ll continue to hunt and eat well while I’m doing it.
who is saying thank you – the animal for killing it?????? wat a stupid stupid comment.....
It’s not till I see the animal on the ground that the emotions take effect, the overwhelming sense of relief and pride, the shaking, the happiness and the remorse. The relief, because the hunts over. The shaking because of tension, the happiness for success and remorse for life ended. Kneeling beside the animal, palm on the fur is a moment of reverence and conflicting emotions and immense gratitude. It’s a deeply spiritual experience. There are no high fives, no shouting, just a quietly spoken “thank you”.
Your comment is stupid to put it bluntly. The author is thanking the animal, not the other way around you fool. Read more carefully or don't post.
Catniss needs to use a broadhead, not a field point, her anchor is way, WAY high and she better get that index finger down and cant that longbow or she'll bury a feather way deep ...... and BTW there are millions of women who hunt and fish, there is nothing stereotypical about it anymore
I will hunt until i can no longer.
I will eat mushrooms.
I will, I am.
We as Americans should sell rapists to crazy billionaires to be hunted for sport.
Will this movie be as good as "The Grey"? probably not.
Deer hearts are tasty.
Duck is amazing.
Northern Pike is proof that god loves ugly.
Being anything but vegan makes absolutely no sense on any level. If you're not, you are hurting yourself, the animals, and the planet. All of the research is available and it has been for a while. Mainstream organizations and institutions are finally admitting to how horrible these things are for you health and the environment. For example, even though this knowledge has been available for sometime now, Harvard has finally acknowledged that milk isn't good for you. Not only are you causing pain and suffering, but you are giving yourself diseases. You are putting poison in your body. When it comes to people saying that hunting is more humane than factory farming, that would be like me saying to the jury that I'm not that bad because I murdered my victims in a drive by while others tortured and murdered their victims. Wrong is wrong and murder is murder. You're still taking a soul. Now, with all of that being said, I realize that when you hear the word vegan or even vegetarian you think it's crazy, as did I at one time. The great thing is that the information is out there and you can educate yourself. What matters is what you do after you know the facts. Hunting, doesn't mean you are a bad person, it just means you are doing a bad thing. We all do bad things at some point in our life, but hopefully at some point we stop and change for the better. Anyway, that's enough of me talking since I know if anyone even reads this it will probably just garner a negative response. Below are some quotes someone might find interesting.
We have enslaved the rest of the animal creation, and have treated our distant cousins in fur and feathers so badly that beyond doubt, if they were able to formulate a religion, they would depict the Devil in human form. ~William Ralph Inge, Outspoken Essays, 1922
As often as Herman had witnessed the slaughter of animals and fish, he always had the same thought: in their behaviour toward creatures, all men were Nazis. The smugness with which man could do with other species as he pleased exemplified the most extreme racist theories, the principle that might is right. ~Isaac Bashevis Singer
Heaven is by favor; if it were by merit your dog would go in and you would stay out. Of all the creatures ever made [man] is the most detestable. Of the entire brood, he is the only one... that possesses malice. He is the only creature that inflicts pain for sport, knowing it to be pain. ~Mark Twain
Non-violence leads to the highest ethics, which is the goal of all evolution. Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still savages. ~Thomas A. Edison
There will be no justice as long as man will stand with a knife or with a gun and destroy those who are weaker than he is. ~Isaac Bashevis Singer
We must fight against the spirit of unconscious cruelty with which we treat the animals. Animals suffer as much as we do. True humanity does not allow us to impose such sufferings on them. It is our duty to make the whole world recognize it. Until we extend our circle of compassion to all living things, humanity will not find peace. ~Albert Schweitzer, The Philosophy of Civilization
If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow men. ~St. Francis of Assisi
“It is easy for us to criticize the prejudices of our grandfathers, from which our fathers freed themselves.
“It is more difficult to distance ourselves from our own views, so that we can dispassionately search for prejudices among the beliefs and values we hold.”
Peter Singer
Princeton University Professor of Bioethics
Practical Ethics, 1993
Here's a link to learn more: http://www.veganoutreach.org/
“Don’t judge a man until you have walked a mile in his shoes”.
You should watch the "The Perfect Runner" episode of the CBC's The Nature of Things. In it, evolutionary biologists say that they believe that when the distant ancestors of humans descended from the trees and evolved feet more adapted to running than climbing, the high-calorie meat they hunted allowed them develop the brain capacity we enjoy today. While resting, our brains account for 20% of our caloric use – a large amount which a body would have a difficult time justifying if it were just living on roots and berries. You may not like hunting, but I don't think that you can accurately say that it wasn't a large part of the development of our species.
If it weren't for a long, long history of your species eating meat, your brain wouldn't even have the capacity to form opinions, let alone post them on the internet. Also, Edison was an ill-tempered schmuck who stole from his fellow man at every turn. Not sure why you'd quote him.
For those who wallow in suburban comfort and all its wheat free, gluten free, soy free, sugar free, and hog free foodie markets, it's easy to be arrogant, smug, and self congratulatory about how noble they are pretending to be.
If they ever got out in the REAL wilderness and their prissy survival was at stake, I know they'd change their rant accordingly and eat every meaty morsel they could HUNT, trap, or otherwise kill. Their so called "conscience" would probably bother them for maybe a nano second.
That's nice, but the reality is, we do live in suburbia, and we have a choice about whether to kill, and it is totally unethical to kill when you have a choice.
If we were all on a boat, and we were going to die, absolutely going to DIE, unless we sacrificed and ailing eighty year old man or a seven year old child. Let's say the boat was sinking, too much weight. And, we could make it back to shore, if someone was thrown overboard, and it had to be the elderly ailing person, who would not make it another day anyway, or the child, whose life would you take?
Does that then mean ot is ethical to kill all 80 year old people back in suburbia or use them in medical experiments?
You see, your hypothetical is inapplicable. The fact that we all know animals are not as important as people, or that we can and should kill them to save ourselves IF NECESSARY, doesn't mean that is it OK to kill them when it is not necesary, and in fact even healthier for us to not eat them.
most of the so called arguments or "logical" positions come under oneof these fallacies: Pick yours.
Ad Hominem
Ad Hominem Tu Quoque
Appeal to Authority
Appeal to Belief
Appeal to Common Practice
Appeal to Consequences of a Belief
Appeal to Emotion
Appeal to Fear
Appeal to Flattery
Appeal to Novelty
Appeal to Pity
Appeal to Popularity
Appeal to Ridicule
Appeal to Spite
Appeal to Tradition
Bandwagon
Begging the Question
Biased Sample
Burden of Proof
Circumstantial Ad Hominem
Composition
Confusing Cause and Effect
Division
False Dilemma
Gambler's Fallacy
Genetic Fallacy
Guilt By Association
Hasty Generalization
Ignoring A Common Cause
Middle Ground
Misleading Vividness
Personal Attack
Poisoning the Well
Post Hoc
Questionable Cause
Red Herring
Relativist Fallacy
Slippery Slope
Special Pleading
Spotlight
Straw Man
Two Wrongs Make A Right
400! I win!
Reading these comments is like trying to nail Jell-o to a tree.
Eventually, Ralph Waldo Thoreau says, mankind will progress and stop killing animals just as cannibalism died out some time ago. Most people have not evolved to where they can see past themselves to learn to be compassionate for animals. Although we cannot live without accidentally killing (like stepping on insects or boiling water and killing tiny creatures), we should strive to minimize the suffering we cause. We can only be the change we want to see in others and choose to avoid actions such as killing, stealing, sexual misconduct, etc. I have many faults and I need to keep striving to be better than I was yesterday.
I'm assuming you mean either Ralph Waldo Emmerson or Henry David Thoreau?
Hunting is wrong. It may take some people a few more million years to get, but civilized people don't hunt. We don't need meat. We have evolved. Some people have moved on, some are stuck because the TV and magazines tell them they have to eat meat, and in some well... the caveman has not been bred out of them. Just because someone can out on a one-thousand dollar suit, does make them civilized. And of course some people are just mean and nasty and get a thrill out of killing.
How much money did the hunting industry give to this movie? The truth is, hunting numbers are down to the point that the industry and the NRA has had to go after women and kids for the past ten years or so. Oh, and blind people. Yes, blind people can get a hunting license.
Whoooooopee,Let the countdown begin. I've got to get the Most out of my membership fee.
Congratulations. You have single handedly thrown out millions of years of earth history, biology, and ecology in a convincing one paragraph argument. If there is one thing that humanity has proven, it is that we are smarter than such nonsense.
When we have a shortage of veggies because the over populated deer eat them all, we don't want to hear you crying. When one of your relatives or you hit a deer and are hurt or killed in an accident, we don't want to hear about that either.
I can't even begin to punch holes in your vaccuous and poorly thought out response – do some homework and then get back to me; your level of ignorance on the topic is astounding and is clearly a result of societal brainwashing. Good luck...
Just ot help you out some. The following inormation is what the movie is based on."
The Hunger Games are an annual event in which one boy and one girl aged 12 to 18 from each of the 12 districts surrounding the Capitol are selected by lottery to compete in a televised battle in which only one person can survive"
hunting isnt wrong and we do need meat, if your saying it is better to destroy plants than animals just remember that plants give us oxygen and that plants are also alive not just animals. hunting is only wrong if they do it just for fun, but uf they do it to feed us or their families, its not wrong.
Yes, I'm sure the animal whose life you just took for purley selfish reasons (i.e. – you don't need meat to survive nor survive well) would agree that they were happy to sacrifice their lives for your enjoyment... NOT!
Hunting to feed your family is a positive thing. Hunting to reduce the population of deer and elk is a positive thing when their numbers are too large for the land to support since people killed all the predators hundreds of years ago. Humans are designed to eat meat, not at the amount we consume today, yet we need it. Stop pushing your beliefs onto others. How do you know someone is a vegetarian or vegan? Within 30 seconds of meeting them, they will tell you.
I envy those who have the option to hunt. I hear there is a lot of protein in wild meat.
Hunting animals is for people that get their kicks out of hurting innocent animals. The good news is that hunters are stupid, lower-class, trailer court lovers so we really don't have to be influenced by their tiny minds and tiny.......
Your comment is ignorant and irrational. God did not put animals on this earth for man to just look at and go "Aw is that cute." Besides hunting is a great pastime. Try it. Get into the spirit of the wild. You don't know what you are missing.
So because I hunt I am automatically a "stupid, lower-class, trailer court lover" and I have a "tiny mind?" How about you come over here and take a gander at my Valedictorian Certificate from high school, or how about the fact that practically aced the SAT, or the fact that I have a job as a professional analyst? So go ahead and keep telling yourself that you are the greatest thing in the world since sliced bread. All you're doing is showing everyone who reads this how big of an ignoramus you really are. Meanwhile, I'm going to go practice on my archery.
There isn't a like or dislike thingy so LIKE!!!
u cant fix stupid not even with duck tape ,im off to fling some arrows also ,so the kill will be swift and clean hunt on
Funny that for thousands of years, hunting was the sport of the rich, educated and noble. Today it is the domain of those whom want to feed families. There is a huge difference between game hunting, and trophy hunting.
It was a Dark and lonely 2 lane highway when you decided to run in front of my car/truck.....you really gave me no time to hit the brakes and try to avoid you. If you had moved 500 yards further North,hit the little deer crossing button at the Official Deer Crossing Lane, we wouldn't have met like this. Oh well,since you have a brain the same size as a VEGAN,sooner or Later you all will learn how to press the button and cross in the official lane. Gosh, this is worse than a bug on the windshield.
Let's strip all the hunters that think hunting is part of the circle of life and put them in the middle of a forest, far away from humanity and see what happens....
That's easy. Want to know what will happen? You're living in it right now. It's called the United States. Don't like it? Then get the f*** out of our country, and take your self-righteous BS with you because we don't want it!
– Sincerely, Every American who loves their country and is willing to fight to survive.
are u a vegan ?
How DISGUSTING! I hope that the parasites found in wildlife multiply!! There is NOTHING cool or brave about you chick! How can you prove it?.....Well you can put down your weapons so the beautiful animals you inflict such pain and disrespect on have an equal chance instead of being at such a disadvantage. Come on.....I dare you! COWARD!
It may be disgusting but it is the way of life. If you're so against it your like, pretty much against the circle of life. Besides, humans just make the process worse by trapping animals in horrible cages and break all of their limbs so they can't move. Oh! Also slitting their throats and making them scream in pain, Skinning them alive for their fur, you know, all that stuff. So hunters that don't just do it for "fun" are actually doing it the best and respecting the ecosystem. If I didn't live in such a densely populated area and if I wasn't so squeamish I would do the same.
well said ,a lot of the reason i hunt is because of the treatment of animals in factory farming ,i m a meat eater always will be ,but i rather take a deer in a fair chase ,then go to wally world ,i think its the way its meant to be
Nobody seems to really catch the point-it's the lack of compassion that's the bottom line. How can you enjoy an activity that is about killing? And the BS about it being clean and fast "so they don't suffer" is absurd. They always suffer. Just admit that you don't care, and in fact, may enjoy the power. Be honest.
@Vegetarian,
Let's be honest Vegetarian. You do not know what you're talking about because you have never done it. It has nothing to do with power. As the women in the article mention, it is about self provision. It is also about helping others. The deer I shot this year was a clean kill through the heart. It ran on adrenaline for a few yards before it dropped. There were several other opportunities I had to shoot many other deer this year and chose not to because it would have been beyond my capability and would have likely caused suffering. But I chose not to. It is one of the tenants we learned in our hunter education course–Respect the animals . Did I mention that I donated the meat to Hunters for the Hungry–a 5013c charity that provides hundreds of thousands of pounds of meat to the poor in Virginia? You should read about how corporate farms treat their animals before you make generalizations on the entire hunting population of this country. Further, I bet you also don't know that hunting licensing fees fund state conservation efforts for all those beautiful state parks you enjoy. It is time you get informed and keep your ignorant comments to yourself. We hunters do care about the environment and the animals.
Yeah, right Hunter, it's not about an ego domination of the animal. We all should be defenseless with a weapon pointed at us and running for our lives. We can only hope your "compassionate" shot goes right, clean through our hearts...."so we don't suffer!" Your "respect" is nothing more than your ego.
Not every hunter does it to boost their ego or show their power, Native Americans hunted to stay alive, and they used every part of the animals body for something, clothing, food, tools etc. In addition, you don't know the person you are replying to, so you have really no right to tell them what they are in fact thinking. Be open minded and understand there are good people out there who do not simply hunt for the fun of it, but rather as a source of food and treat the animals with as much respect as possible.
I'm a vegetarian and was vegan for five years. So, I guess I find myself in the middle of the argument. I don't think people should hunt. I can't imagine getting killed is ever a good thing. However, factory farms are about the *worst* thing on earth, and if I had to choose, my first choice would be everyone go veg, of course, but barring that, I'd rather everyone boycott grocery stores and go hunt, like you described. I also think you are never going to change anybody's mind by insulting them. It just doesn't work. We are brought up (99% of us) as meateaters. I went vegan at 27. Let's face it, it's like being brought up in a slave culture, it is very hard to think something you are brought up into (your parents and grandparents, and every friend does) is wrong. It does take a big person to question whether its right, especially when its convenient fun and takes a lot of will power to quit, and I don't say this from judgment, I am struggling with the vegan part. You really just have to ask yourself, what justifies killing and inflicting suffering when you don't have to? There are a ton of excuses, like "dear overpopulation," but there are always better answers. For example, when we trried to do a deer sterilization program in Pennsylvania to control the population, the hunters went nuts because they complained there wouldn't be enough to shoot. And, vegetarians live on average 6.7 years longer than meat eaters.
Let's smell Methane gas from a cow together.
Hunters usually kill and eat vegetarians. Walk softly and hide.
I hunt because the factory farms that provide 99.9% of our country's commercial meat disgust me. And I (and other true hunters) only kill what I intend to eat. Get off your self-righteous high horse.
As a fellow vegetarian your comment is absurd and narrow minded. You do not hunt, what would you know? I know several hunters that are completely respectful of their hunt/kill and do not do it to boost their ego or to enjoy the "power" you think is associated with hunting. There are people out their who hunt to supply themselves with food, and i am sure the last thing they are thinking while hunting is "Gee look at all this power i have!"
I get your point entirely and agree with you. However, suffering is a process that no one can avoid, and sometimes it comes sooner in fair or unfair ways. I have to admit it is those people that make the suffering worse for even our own kind.
do you think its ok to eat meat out of a store ?
I have read several of these comments and would like to add mine.
1. I hunt and have hunted for the past 45 years
2. i enjoy it and enjoy the taste of game meat
3. I do not kill anything that i do not intend to eat
4. I would love to see some of these folks writing about the evils of hunting devote some of their time and passion to true evils in this world, like child pornography and child abuse. If they would spend as much time trying to bring the spotlight to child abusers and do something to stop and prevent this instead of screaming about someone taking a deer for their family to eat, this world may be a better place.
5. Think about all the noteriety and press is given to someone killing a rabbit or deer and the television stars bashing these people for it. If this kind of media attention was given to children abuse and children drug addiction instead then we may start going forward in this country.
6. There are a lot of good causes out there for people to get involven in that could truly make a difference, but it is so much easier and safer for us to shout about hunting and fishing than it is for us to make a stand and say we are not going to have our children mistreated any more.
7. Why don't you make a stand and say "No more" to the abuse to our future generations and lets drop the politically correct "Don't kill a deer"
If you love nature, you DO NOT hunt. Period. This is sick and a warped sense of values. Shame on you. How can you live with yourself. If I killed a deer, it would haunt me to my dying day.
Ok let me spell it out for you.. Just living causes deer and other animals to die. I grew up in the country and every time they would till the fields or plant and harvest, the next day the field would be full of turkey vultures eating the deer and bunny kibble and bits left from farming. Lets not mention pesticide and rodent control. The question here then is the individual morally absolved (assuming killing animals were wrong which it is not) just because they did not directly kill the animal. Then one has to ask are there more animal deaths related to agriculture crops per calorie then if one hunted and ate the deer that was killed (most deer give anywhere from 50 to 70 lbs meat per deer). If one includes all the insects and other animals killed just from farming more animals die per calorie via crops than if a hunter got those calories from 3 or 4 deer a year.
Wow, Dave you need a serious reality check! Maybe you need to a little more education, time to think, or maybe should just think before you type. How UNINFORMED can you be....seriously. GET A GRIP!
Jumbo: all that condemnation without a single explained reason for it. Atta boy. Good job.
There is so much ignorance in the post it is hard to know where to begin. But bottom line....when you speak through emotion and don't use your brain why argue with that? People who just saying hunting is bad are not only uninformed but also fools!
jeez, Dave...watch where you sit.
People who kill deer for food because they are hungry is fine. I just find it silly that dumb redneck losers buy high powered rifles to feel good about themselves.
You have the right to feel the way you do, but please don't condemn us for hunting. both my daughters hunt, they hunt ethically and eat what they kill. Unless you are a vegetarian you have eaten something that has been killed. Elk,deer, turkey etc are the most natural meat you can eat.
Oh yes.. just like the Native Americans absolutely despised nature
Get a clue, Dave. Hunters are the biggest source of contributions for wildlife conservation (where do you think most of the money from tag and firearm sales goes?). You people who've never handled a gun have donated barely a fraction of what people who care about the sport and the outdoors have given.
Not sure if you know this or not, but that meat you buy from the grocery store does not grow on trees.
Shhhhhh,People will think that is where All the government money comes from too.
Hope you never get lost in the woods, Dave. Bambi, Thumper and Nemo will look awfully tasty if you get truly hungry. Stay close to a city where everything will always be safe and nothing bad to keep you from the supermarket ever happens.
BTW, has anyone invented a good abbreviation or emoticon for sarcasm?
The building you live in causes animals to be displaced and killed.
dave..bequiet, i would bet 1 thousand dollars you woudlnt feel an ounce of guilt if you killed or stepped on an ant, roach, cricket, etc.
Hunters have far more respect and love for nature than city dwelling, pale faced vegetarians who's idea of the wilderness is a park in the middle of their city. It is a proven fact that hunters know more about wildlife and the environment than non hunters, as it's part of their life style.
dave you have know clue nuff said
What a load of crap. There is nothing wrong with killing for the right reason. You'll kill your veggies to eat them, you kill the seeds of the next generation to eat them, you'll gladly let someone else kill your meat for you, you'll BS up and down about organic this and organic that but let someone harvest organic meat themselves and all the self rightous, pasty-faced geeks sitting at their laptops in Starbucks are up in arms. Hypocrits.
Seesh. Maybe if more people (kids included) knew where their food came from there would be less inclination to waste. The Native Americans made use of every part they could of an animal that they killed. They had reverence for the animals they used to sustain themselves.
Thomas Keller of the French Laundry talks about choosing one day to do the slaughtering and butchering of the rabbits for his restaurant. How hard it was, and how that difficulty showed him to treat the animals properly.
Most folks who hunt, do so to feed their families. It's not just heading out to shoot animals, cause it's fun. Honestly, I've known a lot of hunters in my life and not one of them have ever bragged about the killing.
It's a fact of life that to eat something has to die. Whether it's an animal or a plant. Something has to die.
Oh and go research how many field animals die horribly in order to harvest vegetables like soy beans and corn. Getting maimed by a combine and then being left in the field to bleed out so you vegetarians can feel good about yourselves.
I tell you what. I'll make you a deal: for every animal you don't eat, I'm going to eat 3. So: your morals? Or 3 cute little bunnies, because mmmm mmmm, I love rabbit.
How sad that anything should motivate young people to succumb to the sickness that is hunting. if you can afford to go to the supermarket and buy your food, you have no other reason to hunt than liking to kill, and that is a serious mental disorder. yes, it's good to be capable and prepared for any emergency, and if you found yourself needing to kill to survive, that would be acceptable. but just going out to have fun killing is sick!
What is wrong with hunting for food? As long as you treat the animal humanely and kill quickly and cleanly and don't hunt for sport, how is it any different from buying factory killed animals already dressed? If you hunt and dress it yourself, you're avoiding antibiotics, hormones and the filth that is in the factory. You are also avoiding genetically modified fed animals. Game animals are free range and organic, which is healthier and leaner.
Wow, you're kinda of a judgemental prick aren't you. Apparenty you've never seen what happens when a deer population gets out of control due to lack of predators. Also....the goose that's on my table tatses better than that $60 Young Goose (aka no meat on the bones) you can buy a the local supermarket. It's also healthier to eat too. If it's not your thing...that's understandable..but your soapbox rant reeks of ignorance.
there is a big disconnect about hunting animal for food and hunting animal for sport. In all reality, hunting animal for food is fine and has been done for thousands of years. American indians would hunt for food and respect the animal buy using all the animal parts – including things that cannot be eaten. In contrast, stupid dumb NRA-loving ignorant rednecks like to hunt to feed their egos and their high power rifles. I think you need to separate the two scenarios.
magnus there truly is two types of hunters ,those who make us all look bad and have no respect for the animal they hunt ,but real hunters are the first to turn them in ,and we hate them as much as vegans do
You really have your head in the sand. You have absolutely no idea what hunting is about. If you have eaten any type of meat,well guess what it was killed. do a little research before you spout such bs
Sure, I can go to the supermarket and buy a steak. But I think I'll take a venison steak from a deer I hunted instead...one that isn't drenched in growth hormones, ammonia, and didn't come from a steer on a factory farm where it was packed into a pen with hundreds of other animals.
Hunting not humane? Learn where meat comes from before making ridiculous statements.
Hunting is sick? You know what is really sick, actually? The places that most people get their meat from. Animals of all kinds (small as chickens through as large as cows) are stuck in cramped pens, fed growth hormones to make them grow faster than usual, mis-treated, and never get to experience actually being an animal because they can't move. Watch the documentary Food Inc...you might change your mind on buying "meat" from your grocery store.
nothing worse then store meat eating antis so dam dum
"if you can afford to go to the supermarket and buy your food, you have no other reason to hunt than liking to kill, and that is a serious mental disorder."
Where do you think the meat in the supermarket comes from, Liz the First? It certainly wasn't grown on trees. If you eat meat, then you've perpetuated the killing of animals. It is the height of hipocracy to condemn those who hunt for their own meat while you pay others to do your killing for you.
let me tell you something LIZ ,getting meat from a supermarket is not only suporting animals beeing held in ity bity crates ,and tortured before you slap them on the grill ,but its feeding yourself and family disgusting gross meat
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Well said. As a vegetarian, I'd rather nobody kill anything, but if you are going to, hunt it yourself, do NOT buy it from a grocery store where it was tortured its whole life first.
Two words describe this film:
Liberal.
Garbage.
ha. Thank you for the laugh.
Idiot.
I'm a vegetarian, but I would much rather that people hunt for their meat than blindly buy it at the grocery store. I think it is increasingly important for people to know where their food comes from.
Amanda, you have officially posted the most rational statement on this entire forum.
I wish I could treat you to a nice venison dinner, but I would never try to force my ideals of hunting, conservation, and general love for the outdoors onto anyone (maybe the latter two I would), at least anyone that didn't ask for such an experience in the first place. I have the utmost respect for everything (except water mocassins, hate those nasty snakes), especially those animals that I have the privilege of harvesting for consumption.
I do completely agree that there are a lot of idiots that feed there ego by killing, not hunting, but generalizing/stereotyping the 99.9% of hunters who don't hunt for their ego with those idiots that do is like generalizing perfectly reasonable vegetarians, such as Amanda here, with the peaches that think personally harvesting animals for food is, and I quote, "a sickness".
I'm surprised that there aren't any comments from "sun gazers" stating that they haven't had a bite to eat in over a year and that all you need to do is stare at the sun for extended periods of time to get all the nourishment you need...
I know where my steak came from... Do you?
amanda well said
I'm a vegetarian and I couldn't agree more. People don't seem to understand where there food comes from. Check out a llittle info on factory farming sometime.
I love to hunt the hunter.
Please try...fool!
Jimbo, maybe he's just talking about hunting predators (coyotes, etc)
There is NOTHING more unnatural than a woman -let alone a young woman- hunting down and killing animals. To be proud of the fact that you have no problem slaughtering innocent lives is nothing to be proud of. This is a sign of the times when even females go so against their natural tendencies as nurturers.
Women have always hunted. We find that feeding our children is a large aspect of nurturing. We hunt, we fish, we grow gardens. Always have.
One of the many liabilities of our alienation from the natural world and substitute education via Disney animations: sentimental notions about animal life and behavior. Mother mammals hunt and kill to feed their young. Yes, FEMALES kill in order to nurture.
women have been hunting and fishing for thousands of years. You are stereotyping people you dont even know.
A talking flamingo is vastly more unnatural. Please stop.
i am very proud of feeding my kids ,what i harvest ,its safe and healthy for them
What keeps mankind alive? Mankind is kept alive by bestial acts.
What keeps mankind alive?
The fact that millions are daily tortured, stifled, punished, silenced and oppressed.
Mankind must keep alive, thanks to its brilliance, in keeping its humanity repressed.
And for once we must try not to shriek the facts.
Mankind is kept alive by bestial acts.
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At least Brecht and Weill had the dignity to not turn their work into a pre-teen cult phenonomenon. Neither did they have any desire for their intended audience to empathize, sympathize with the main character's plight and shape their personal morality as Katnip discovers and develops hers. What a sad state of affairs when teens need a movie/book like this (or Twilight) to a. feel connected to the reality of a harsh, unforgiving world, and b. to develop some sense of personal morality and compassion for their fellow men.
Brecht and Weill didn't need to sink to this level. They just laughed in your face, told you that you are f-ed up at the core, and left you to deal with the realization, pick up the pieces, and choose to become a better person or stay the same.
The sappy, emotion-based drivel that is the Hunger Games, Twilight, etc., only serves a role in a society where children and adults have forgotten (or never learned!) how to have self-respect, think for themselves, and hold to the courage of their convictions.
Somebody tell these teens to quit joining damn-fool crusades to "fight" the Joseph Konys of the world (which will ultimately accomplish NOTHING, despite the horrific reality of the plights of his victim) and start a. touching the lives of the hurting, starving people who live in your own neighborhood, or b. move to Africa, pick up a gun and a machete and go after Kony yourself. But quit the armchair activism, philosophizing, and moralizing. Either put up, or shut up, or you're just as bad as Kony.
Give me Weill and Brecht anyday. At least they're honest, and push us to confront our own apathy.
Did you actually READ the Hunger Games Series?
Since you are comparing it to Twilight, I'm guessing NOT.
What keeps mankind alive?
The fact that millions are daily tortured, stifled, punished, silenced and oppressed.
Mankind must keep alive, thanks to its brilliance, in keeping its humanity repressed.
And for once we must try not to shriek the facts.
Mankind is kept alive by bestial acts.
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At least Brecht and Weill had the dignity to not turn their work into a pre-teen cult phenonomenon. Neither did they have any desire for their intended audience to empathize, sympathize with the main character's plight and shape their personal morality as Katnip discovers and develops hers. What a sad state of affairs when teens need a movie/book like this (or Twilight) to a. feel connected to the reality of a harsh, unforgiving world, and b. to develop some sense of personal morality and compassion for their fellow men.
Brecht and Weill didn't need to sink to this level. They just laughed in your face, told you that you are f-ed up at the core, and left you to deal with the realization, pick up the pieces, and choose to become a better person or stay the same.
The sappy, emotion-based drivel that is the Hunger Games, Twilight, etc., only serves a role in a society where children and adults have forgotten (or never learned!) how to have self-respect, think for themselves, and hold to the courage of their convictions.
Somebody tell these teens to quit joining damn-fool crusades to "fight" the Joseph Konys of the world (which will ultimately accomplish NOTHING, despite the horrific reality of the plights of his victim) and start a. touching the lives of the hurting, starving people who live in your own neighborhood, or b. move to Africa, pick up a gun and a machete and go after Kony yourself. But quit the armchair activism, philosophizing, and moralizing. Either put up, or shut up, or you're just as bad as Kony.
Give me Weill and Brecht anyday. At least they're honest.
What keeps mankind alive?
What is with all these doomsday people? It seems at least half the people here in support of hunting somehow are preparing for the day they need to fend for themselves. Wow – paranoia – big time. It's no wonder we have such a problem with guns in this country. And by the way, hunting is not that difficult. Why are some of you making it out to be like rocket science?
Obviously you have never hunted!!!!!!!!!!!
me want woman that hunt, me sit on rock in cave till she get back and cook
BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Reading these comments are like the funniest thing ever. I saw 3 comments on this whole page that weren't an argument. People do not like to listen to eachother do they? lol. And pretty much everyone is saying the same thing. Bottom line: Killing is bad, it's natural though, and everything is a circle of life. The end. Now i'm going to enjoy an all natural hamburger mad of real meat cus tofu is nasty and organic is good. jk, i don't have one, i wish i did though. Organic is so much better but it's so much more expensive. It's very much suckish. Wow, i went from people being funny in how they like to argue to organic stuff being expensive....... i have adh-oh look, a butterfly
Ohh, how I love anti-hunters. I'm guessing that in their perfect, utopian society that their juvenile, overly emotional, self indulging, logically constipated minds they'll find away to convince even the lions and bears to eat all things made of soy and corn. Good luck with that.
Fact, meat is a natural part of the human diet. We have teeth that are designed for ripping meat from bone and we have a stomach full of enzymes that nature has designed for breaking down the flesh of other animals. Buy it in a store or take it out of the forest yourself, it's still meat and it doesn't grow on trees or vines.
I'm an avid bowhunter and I take on the backcountry of the desert in southeast Arizona. The "blood sport" I love so much actually has very little blood (success rates of less than 5% for the state). What it does have a lot of is clean air, exercise, being close to nature and taking a break from the concrete jungle. And sometimes, if I work hard & get lucky, fresh, clean meat that hasn't been jammed full of hormones & chemicals.
I wonder if the lack of rationality is a cause of the absence of meat in the diet or an effect of the deficiency?
Your statements are actually quite ignorant. Our bodies are actually more designed to be primarily herbivores than anything else, particularly if you look at our digestive system and closest animal ancestors. Our teeth are decidely NOT designed to rip apart flesh. Look at any animal that does so – their teeth are much, much, much sharper. Moreover, you appear to have some misinformation about the deleterious health effects of not eating meat, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Bottom line: eating meat is unecessary (and bow hunting is cruel, by the way).
No Andrew Bow hunting is not! And I am sorry, You are way off base here. Meat is a required staple for long term survival as a species. If you actually knew anything about digestion or had any medical training or knowledge you would have a VERY different opinion. I love people who read a magazine about a celebrity diet and swear it is correct!
You actually need to do some research because meat eating (especially red meat) is associated with astronomically high rates of colon caner and heart attacks. There is nothing natural about human beings killing lower life forms and eating them.
You have no idea what you are talking about and it is pretty funny!
Agreed! Cannibalism is the only fair solution.
How in the world did you get the idea that humans are not supposed to kill lower life forms to survive? Every animals on this planet kills or eats something lower than themselves. Lions eat buffalo, hawks eat snakes/rabbits. Yet for some reason humans are not allowed? Last i checked, humans are omnivores, they eat meat and plant life. Meat does have some beneficial properties such as protein and minerals. There are some meats which are not as healthy as others, but if you get leaner cuts of those meats you can save yourself some health problems.
I used to despise hunters. Then I realized that was hypocritical of me, because I eat store bought meat daily. It is still not too pleasant for me to think about, but every animal that is hunted is one more animal that is saved from the horrors of the slaughterhouse. I think we should encourage hunting more, and buying our meat less.
Thank you for your honesty. I caught my first deer this year and we didn't buy red meat for 4 months.
This deer was the best tasting meat we've ever had, ever. It blew away the grass-fed, free-roaming, antibiotic- and hormone-free beef I can't afford to buy.
And before every meal (and at time, every bite), we were grateful and thankful for this animal's life. I can't say it never happens to others who buy store-bought meat, but I sort of doubt it... I, for one, don't think about it.
Huh. When I was taking archery as a sport in college, we were taught never never to put our index finger up on the bow like that. The cockfeather would cut it badly if you left it there, and if you moved it you messed your aim up. You had to be good enough to keep the arrow there without any help. Katniss's portrayer is probably doing it like that just for the photo op, though.
Hunting doesn't make you cool. It makes you pathetic. Whenever I meet a hunter, I always wonder if s/he is just too stupid to do something constructive with her/his time. The raised eyebrows these young girls get are probably not so much from impressed people as they are from disgusted people. Leave hunting to the history books and let's all move forward.
Really? Yes... It is so much better to mass produce chickens and cows who spend their lives in cages. Yes, that is the better way to produce meat.
Good thing YOUR ancestors didn't embrace a life of vegetarianism and weren't lazy enough to sit around picking fruit to survive...otherwise you might not be here. Interestingly you didn't pick up on the main point of the first part in the article (which speaks more about hunting); namely self sufficiency in all aspects of life.
Or maybe that's how your genome flourished: your ancestors learned to mooch/beg for food off of others? There's a whole lot of people like that in America now...finally an explanation!
BTW, I find plenty of useful, constructive things to do with my time. A PhD in mechanical engineering is a wonderful thing to have. And I love to hunt.
So I will have to assume that you are vegan, never take medications in gelatin capsules, or wear leather shoes? Otherwise you are part of the "problem" by using by-products of killing animals.
I am not a hunter but I have no issue with people hunting and then eating their prey. Wild boar is tastier than pork from intensive farming.
You are quite welcome to take your self-righteous person out to pick berries of which you know nothing and dig roots you hope may preserve you. You too, shall pass. These young ladies have discovered how to provide themselves and their clan, with wholesome food well caught and prepared. They are well able to defend themselves, too. The Old Knowledge is the most important you can possibly acquire and retain. Women like these are the jewels of the species.
Get a room,and you can bring your frog legs and sprouts with you.
Was thinking that earlier, LOL. Scroll through 5 pages of arguing.
All the storyline is about is just a play on marrying violence (killing human beings) with sex (female killers). It's a disgusting piece of work let loose at a time when the world needs LESS stories about violence.
And this BS about hunting for food...please, there is no need unless you are flat broke and living in the woods...and who is, those that can buy pricey firearms do NOT need to hunt for food. 99 percent of hunters just DO so because of the thrill of the kill, no matter what BS line they spew out of their mouth.
" If you were on a battlefield fighting against an equally intelligent target,another human, you would have a point, but an animal? " Did you already forget what you wrote? How could I get anything else from it. Maybe you're not "to" bright. You probably don't hunt because you are as good at that as you are at arguing and grammar.
"How could I get anything else from it. Maybe you're not "to" bright"
Fail.
I failed on hitting reply. I was actually pointing out that in someone else's post.
Ah. I pardon you.
Misspelling "to" vs "No they don't sense" and this gem "Go find someone that's your argument equal since you seem" Hilarious. Are you trying to make yourself look foolish?
You did all of that moron. I was mocking you.
Yeah, I wrote your misspelled drivel. Good God you are stupid.
Will you two get married already?
You had to know the hunting trolls will be out in full force defending their "sport". How is it sport to kill a defenseless animal for fun? Spare me your diatribes about eating what you kill. What about a "canned hunt" where some arm chair loser can "shoot" a caged lion, zebra etc? The vast majority of hunters kill for sport, not food. FYI, I also oppose factory farming, it is a disgutsing and obscene practice based on profit. The saddest thing about these practices is we seem to be taking a giant step backward. So much for civilization!
Someone forgot to take their pills today.
Scroll down and read the dozens of similar rants/discussions on this topic. You have added nothing new today.
"Someone forgot to take their pills today. You've added nothing new."
Wow, and you have? When all else fails, go for the insult. So original. This is an opinion piece and that makes my opinion just as valid as anyone elses.
I didn't insult anyone. I merely stated you seem to have forgotten to take your pills today.
Your comment of "arm-chair loser" is more of an insult thus demonstrating my concern of your high blood pressure. I will BBQ a steak for you right away. It will help you.
No it doesn't.
Not sport. Food. Unprocessed, chemical-free, un-caged, wild-raised, natural food.
+1
I know, women aren't cool unless they are acting like trashy men. Hunting is so outdated and unnecessary this day and an age. They should leave it to the fat drunk stereotypes. Can't wait until a movie is released that celebrates highly educated strong women, maybe they'll do a story on it.
Perhaps you should meet a few hunters, especially the women hunters. It takes strength and endurance to get to many of the places where you'll find good game, and brains to judge terrain, distance, wind speed & direction, to read an animal's behavior. Hunting is far from "outdated & unnecessary". In this age of food that's processed into oblivion (don't tell me your veggie/tofu burger is not processed – it's the very definition of it !), hunting your own food is a great idea. Many seeking a more natural, healthful lifestyle would call it vital.
Perhaps the trashy, fat, drunk stereotype you see is your own reflection.
No it would be people like you. Anyone who thinks there is any challenge in killing animals with weapons has a screw loose. If you were on a battlefield fighting against an equally intelligent target,another human, you would have a point, but an animal? Please, how pathetic.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You just said that you abhor the killing of animals but condone the killing of other human beings. Thanks for your opinion fuhrer.
The animal has natural camouflage, speed, agility, and knowledge of the environs that humans can only dream of. We have tools we've fashioned in an attempt to overcome their natural advantages. Many times it works. But not always. The animal can run/fly into the trees, scrub, or rocks while I generally have to stop to aim, anticipate their next move, and shoot. It's not like they are drugged and tied to a tree. It's a fair contest.
If that's what you read, not to bright, are you? I would have more respect for a kid winning a chess game over another kid too because they are equals.
Yeah right. You wouldn't want to watch them play chess you would want to watch them beat each other to death.
Like I said, can't read. However if they were boxing, it's against equals. If they were running, it's against equals. Bragging about killing turkeys and rabbits is hilarious, although maybe for those people they are equals.
" If you were on a battlefield fighting against an equally intelligent target,another human, you would have a point, but an animal? " Did you already forget what you wrote? How could I get anything else from it. Maybe you're not "to" bright. You probably don't hunt because you are as good at that as you are at arguing and grammar.
You interpreted that as condoning killing people, so....I'd rather misspell a word than lack reading comprehension.
I don't lack reading comprehension, it's a direct quote. I took it in the context you wrote it.
And I wrote your illogical response, c'mon....what's your next lame point going to be?
Actually I wrote my response. That's why it's called my response. That's that grammar thing I was referring to.
Your comments have turned into blah blah blah make a point.
My point is my comments make sense and yours don't.
No they don't sense, you are blathering on about nothing. At least make a point about SOMETHING.
No they don't sense. It's just typeface on a computer. I tell it what to do.
"No they don't sense" Again, if you appoint yourself the spelling police, not a good idea to make these mistakes.
Again, did you forget what you typed? Read the quote above that and you'll understand my response. You talk about me not making sense but here I am forming a coherent sentence.
zzzzzzzzzzzz, is that misspelled?
"zzzzzzzzzzz" – umpha during english class. The point I'm trying to make is just because someone doesn't agree with you or live their life like you do doesn't mean they're wrong. We don't all think the same which is one thing that makes this country great. It would be nice if there was a little more tolerance though.
Oh speaking of warfare. Quite funny how the writer uses the watered down Roman version of Athena as her example. Athena was a huntress but she was also the Goddess of Warfare and Wisdom.
So you're saying that hunters are wise like Athena? Finally you're starting to make some sense.
For the third time, can't read. You really aren't making hunters look intelligent. Let me go on a limb and say the writer purposely did that.
The writer didn't point out that Athena was the Goddess of Wisdom, you did.
Good grief, Diana is the watered down Roman version of Athena, the Greek Goddess. Didn't you graduate from high school?
Not from high school in Ancient Rome.
or the US.
No, I just took away more practical knowledge like science and math, not who's currently in attendance in the king's court at Mount Olympus.
Oh I know what you mean, the Greeks had nothing to do with Science or Math.
The Greeks definitely had something to do with science and math. There is a person I don't remember having a theorem named after them: Athena.
Good Lord your comments are getting too boring and stupid, I might have to move on.
It's probably for the best to bow out gracefully. Go find someone that's your argument equal since you seem so focused on that.
Umpha, I believe you're talking about Artemis, whose Roman counter part was Diana, as the Goddess of The Hunt. Athena, whose Roman counter part was Minerva, was the Goddes of Wisdom. I'm not trying to knock the wind out of your argument but I had to step in a correct you on this.
Before you jump to conclusions, yes I do own a bow. However I've never used it to hunt. I just like to shoot it.
"your argument equal " probably not a good idea to do that if you are going to point out misspellings. Anyway bow out of what ? A comment section-lol!
Nothing is misspelled there. Go check a dictionary. You know, one of those other books besides your greek mythology textbook which you were still wrong on.
Just one comment, I double checked, you are correct. Yay, at least I get to talk to someone who actually intelligent.
umm just btw i think that the greeks came about before the roman empire existed...... so that would mean that Diana wasn't a watered down Roman she was around long before any Roman goddess.
Actually they used Artemis/Diana not Athena... Artemis the virgin goddess twin to Apollo moon goddess hunting goddess sacred animal a white doe of the silver bow and arrows to the guy that thought was Athena that was mentioned in the article
Yeah snorting coke and having multiple sex partners in the "board room"
You suck- ie- your opinions lack quality and your (poor) logic fails. Your best contribution here would be for you to wander off into the wilderness and off yourself.... .. you should do it.. .... Do it now..
I beg to differ that most hunters kill for sport. I'd say a large majority of hunters, while many are hunting for the sport of it, still eat the meat of their kills. This means that a hunter will eat many meals from a natural organic source as opposed to an industrial unsustainable source that most non-hunters get their meat from. I am a huge environmentalist and I feel that if more people hunted for their food, then we'd have a much more sustainable food industry and we'd also be much healthier for it.
I agree canned hunts are horrible, as a hunter I cannot stand them, the hunting industry does itself no favors sponsoring theses things. You are wrong though to think that that is how the majority of hunters hunt. That's how rich slob hunters hunt. They are not the majority.
Also your vegan/vegetarian diet is one of convenience. If there were no grocery stores or co-ops you would starve to death very slowly. So save you indignation for the small group of friend you have that all have the same narrow minded ideas and thoughts.
I agree canned hunts are horrible, as a hunter I cannot stand them, the hunting industry does itself no favors sponsoring theses things. You are wrong though to think that that is how the majority of hunters hunt. That's how rich slob hunters hunt. They are not the majority.
Also your vegan/vegetarian diet is one of convenience. If there were no grocery stores or co-ops you would starve to death very slowly. So save you indignation for the small group of friend you have that all have the same narrow minded ideas and thoughts.
vast majority hunt for sport and not meat? You are very wrong about that point. Ill informed to say the least.
But as a proud hunter, I absolutely agree with you about the canned or caged hunts. I can understand for wheel chair bound individuals, but for all others, fenced hunting actually makes me livid as it completely goes against what hunting is about. Animals should have the right to be free and use their abilities to get away....not to run and get stopped by a fence for the 'hunter' to have another chance. ick. I despise it and think those individuals who enjoy fenced hunts, are not true hunters.
Hi Debby,
I have to agree that your comments are a little beyond. I'm with you 1000% if you find it despicable to kill a caged animal or even hunt and kill a wild predator for the "joy" of the kill. Sadly, many hunters today can unabashedly sit and talk about these sort if sick thrills which I believe are nothing short of a perversion. But I find it entirely different to shoot and kill wild game as our ancestors did to stock their larders. I'm not sure how that is really any different from the hamburger you just ate.
Tell you what, Debby, you tell me how NASCAR is a sport and I'll tell you how hunting can be one.
I'd like to introduce myself as a liberal woman and hunter, effectively blowing the minds of both sides of the complainers here. My father taught me that supporting oneself completely and independently is an honorable goal, and I aim to do that. I was raised to live on wild game and homegrown veggies, and I'm teaching my husband to do the same. However, as an independent person, I also reserve the right to own my body and control it myself. Progressive thinking does not exclude keeping balance in the environment via hunting/harvesting, just as conservative thinking shouldn't exclude personal responsibility, choice, and independence.
I hear banjos.
"Paddle faster!"
Please don't add "AK" to your name. Palin did enough damage to our Alaskan reputation.
I agree that the dignity of Alaskans is important. Hopefully that dignity will always be well defended by Jdizzle McHammerpants
To the death, my friend. Like a Mamma Grizzly
I'm right there with you: Liberal, self-sufficient, animal/nature-lover, and a great shot with bow, rifle, or pistol.
Don't flatter yourself. You don't blow anyone's mind. I know lots of gun crazy liberals, and many of them are women – some who hunt. America is a sad country that way, where somehow otherwise sane people become violent or paranoid due to our cultural influences and expectations. Also, humans have destroyed the habitat of other animals, and then somehow justify killing them further by convincing ourselves it's all about"balance" and in the end, for the benefit of the animals and nature. LOL. OK. Whatever you have to tell yourself to make yourself feel better.
"...; the narrator is not a stereotypical camouflage-clad hunter; she’s a 16-year-old girl." It seems that someone has forgotten that 16-year-old girls are the most vicious people among us. Shooting a rabbit through the eye with a bow and arrow is just the kind of skill a 16-year-old girl would like to learn, and should learn.
I would rather raise a Katniss Everdeen than a Kim Kardashian any time.
Hear ! Hear !
Internet high-five from me to you Truth!
Better, have them fight to death. Bet Kardashian would put up a good fight considering she has four sisters.
May the gods bless you and yours forever and ever...
What a despicable thing – to make it seem like it is good, practical, interesting, sexy, or anything positive for a young woman or anyone else to hunt. There is virtually no need for anyone to kill an animal in this day and age. Eating is no excuse, as there are plenty of healthful alternatives to eating the flesh of animals. Not only is it healthier for humans to be vegetarians, but it would save us from a huge source of global warming – the deforestation of land to make grazing space for the billions of animals that stupid humans currently consume. Every animal that a hunter or a rancher or a factory slaughterer murders is a real individual, a sentient being. ALL animals feel fear, feel pain, feel grief when their loved ones die, and, as a recent Univ. of Chicago study of rats proved, feel empathy. Yet, most humans will deny this, preferring to believe that the precious individuals they kill and/or eat have no "real" feeling like we do. Such astonishing ignorance! Humans are animals, too, although most of them are too arrogant to admit it, having bought into the self-serving, arrant nonsense that we are "superior" beings with a god-given right to hold dominion over others. If we were TRULY superior we would have the decency to be kind at all times to all other creaures, not enslave them, take them from their families, cause them terrible suffering, and then kill them.
Humans are the scourge of the earth. We have doomed ourselves by our own actions. It is just a pity that we are taking down the rest of creation with us. The other animals deserve far better.
But let me guess, you are pro choice, no?
Let me know how you feel if we try that and we're overrun by overpopulation of animals as they destroy our environment.
The reason we would be over run by a lack of population control is because we killed off all the natural predators. If we would bring back all of the populations through re-population programs there would be no problem other than more media scared humans. Your argument is like holding a hammer over your head and then complaining that you cannot let go of the hammer or it will hit you in the head.
Eileen, you dont have to clear land to make farms?
You could feed 40 times as many people per acre on a sustainable vegetable crop as you can on beef. I love beef but facts are facts.
YOU are living an unnatural existence. Humans are designed to eat meat alongside plants. You think you are superior because because you choose not to eat animals. Where would you be without your beans and tofurkey ? Dead, or nearly so. Every living thing on this earth is either predator or prey depending on what other life is around it.
And you are an omnivore. Go back to your dentist and have them explain the purpose of those teeth to you again. Humanity was built for gathering and scavenging. More like a crow, eating what has already been taken down than killing. If you were meant to hunt you would have the teeth of your cat not the teeth of primates.
That doesn't make any sense. If I had the teeth of my cat I'd still have the body of a human. What could I possibly catch to eat with my cat teeth? Could I then overpower them with my ant like strength? Humans are meant to hunt with their brains, not with "cat teeth".
I have the brain capacity to figure out how to use tools to take down, carve up, & cook prey – don't need cat teeth (don't have a cat, either). We're evolved beyond that.
randoid... read the book "Born to run" and you will find humans are hunters.
But, easier, just look at yourself in the mirror. Predators have eyes in the front of their faces to stalk a prey (cats, dogs). Prey animals (mainly herbivores) have the eyes on either sides of the head to detect predators from any direction (cows, horses, mice). Predators stare, prey avoid eye contact.
Where are your eyes located? Can you detect a predator coming to you from behind? Or are you the predator?
I know we're hunters. That's exactly what I was saying. I was making the point that humans use their brain capacity to hunt because we lack speed, strength, etc.
I hope that when you get stranded by the side of the road and help isn't coming for hours that you have learned what wild plants will kill you and which ones will sustain you. If not, in the future, we'll miss you long-winded, whiny drivel.
If our society collapses and you are no longer able to sustain your "alternative lifestyle" don't come crying to me asking to share the deer I killed. You say barbaric, I say practical. Lord knows a bear would happily eat me if it were hungry enough. It's called the food chain, and I won't apologize for being on top.
There is a Wild elephant in my pajamas...How it got there I'll never know.
Eileen somehow animals magically stop suffering the minute humans stop interacting with them? An animal suffers less by a bullet than by starvation or even natural predation.
I am sooo glad you feel your moral beliefs should be imposed on everyone it is no better than someone forcing you to carry a pregnancy to term. I am so glad you believe that everyone should live like you.
Without hunting my family would have gone hungry when I was growing up and there are still families that rely on it as a food source. So its ok to you that they starve because they don't have the money to by your chemically processed soy burger (btw maybe I shouldn't tell you how many cute baby bunnies were cut up/ crushed when they planted the field for your guilt free soy burger or the number of deer killed to get that burger to the store).
Not everyone can live on a vegetarian diet. If you truly feel the way you do about human beings why not just kill yourself. Or are you just like the hypocrites at PETA that use insulin derived from animals because they feel its their divine right to fight for the rights of animals and they are some how be excluded from their beliefs.
If you really wanted whats best for the environment and animals let people start living off the land and get connected with their food source. Let people see what nature is about and people will be more concerned about saving the habitat as opposed to building a mall with cafeteria that serves veggie burgers.
Internet high five to you as well!
I agree 100%
Your argument is so full of holes. Do you have any idea how many organisms die to clear and maintain crops? Do you realize not all lands are suitable for row crops and that grazing is the only ag practice the land can sustain?
Don't forget that most of the Oxygen is produced in the ocean, and people aren't clear cutting that to raise animals. And those empathetic rats will eat their own young to keep cats from getting them. They don't defend them with their lives they just euthanize them to avoid losing the nutrients spent on them.
Eileen, me thinks you all ready leen to far to one side right now...thank goodness for you, that your early relatives thought eating fuits and vegetables only was the was to go...because the human race would have been wiped out 100,000's of thousands of years ago....hunting and the eating of red meat is our past, our present, our future. I gotta go, time for a bloody-rare cheeseburger.
If you truly believe that humans are the scourge of the earth, then would you please lead by example and remove them, starting with yourself?
You will notice that even though you may act to preserve the lives of animals, no animals will act to preserve your life. That's the principal thing that distinguishes us from them. If anything, they will enjoy the meal you have provided them.
Whatever method you choose, the raccoons, skunks, buzzards and other scavengers will feast!
Do you know how dumb you sound right now? Do you not realize that if we as humans do not kill wildlife then they will envade our cities and neighborhoods. Would you rather someone one kill and eat a deer rather than see it get hit by a car and suffer slowly as it died and the meat go to waste. It is called the "circle of life" for a reason. I have been raised around livestock and hunting my entire life and I have not seen one animal suffer. I am raising my son to think the same way. To tell people this is a bad way of life is to make them ashamed of where they come from and forget how this country was started, I do not believe the the Indians and the first settlers could have survived off of plants alone. It's called protein and everyone needs it to sustain llife. Everyone has the right to their own opinion but to discourage young people, especially girls, from getting outside and doing something away from a tv is wrong. I think more kids need to learn hunting skills and get outside in the woods more often. Maybe we wouldn't have so many children getting in trouble and ending jail at an early age if they had something like this to occupy their time. Just my opinion!!
My head is hurting and I also see colors....No-Visions, It is the late 12th Century and a small frail peasant girl approaches the King. Your Highness,We can no longer gather our plants or fruits because of the wild animals and the Bands of unsavory characters that try to run us down on mighty horses. Please,Help us Your Highness. The King looked down on the pale young child and shouted, We shall build a moat around our castle,and you Vegans shall grow your own food.We will all be protected and share in the Bounty. The Vegans were ALL happy for many years until,
At twilight they came,flying across the moat as they did not have appropriate swim wear and swooped down on the Vegans,stealing the crops they had worked so hard to grow. One saw the little pale and frail peasant girl,grabbed her around the waist and kissed her upon the neck. She felt a slight sting and immediately fainted to the ground of the Vegan Garden. When she awoke she found a note attached to her worn and torn blouse...Eat More Chiken it read........
I see the late 1850's--PA....Git yur skinny Azz in here right now. PA hurried as he left the half moon shack,still clutching the Sears and Roebuck catalog minus some pages from the ladies undergarments section. He felt better knowing they would not be missed on his old Biddy wife. What is it Ma? I'm a busy man he said. Look out yonder PA at my pretty garden,which ain't so pretty now that them Cowboys dun let them cattle cut through here during the night and tromped and trampled my Tomato's and carrots. What about my Okra? Next thing you know PA,the Pig Farmers will come through and they will rut up all your potato's that you planted by hand. PA thought for a minute and stated,MA,there is a new invention called Barbed Wire and I'll order a roll to protect all the plants. Things went well for years until,
The Locusts came and ate everything in sight. Somehow they even got into the underground cellar. There was nothing left except the shrill PA,what are you gonna do?
I foresee the year 2012, a large White House as a knock is heard on the door....Mr. President, there is a large group of Vegetarians Demanding to meet with you right NOW. As the President slowly placed his pen down on the paper he had been writing upon,he shouted-I am trying to finish my NCAA Bracket and you interrupt me for this? Get Napolitano, Holder and Michelle to talk to them, I'm a Busy Man. After the meeting a secret law was passed by Congress and ALL Vegans were banished to a deserted island surrounded by salt water. What will we do,they wondered?
The Moral to this story....The rest of us lived Happily ever after. Pass the Brisket,Please.
You do realize that cows eat grass so all the cows in your story would have died after the locust ate up all the plants.
PA was a very smart man,even though he did not have alot of book learin'. In the spring after the Locusts had passed all the nearby towns,he received his New Grasses-R-Us catalog,placed his order and waited for it to be shipped on the Iron Horse. The Locusts traveled South,began eating the Loco Weed in Texas and now reside in the Cancun area of Mexico. More cattle were shipped on the Iron Horse and PA was a Happy Man. He also ordered some cotton from Sears and Roebuck,and invented Cotton Balls...A poor mans hearing aide so he didn't have to listen to MA. He died a Very Happy Man.
Your vegan/vegetarian diet is one of convenience. If there were no grocery stores or co-ops you would starve to death very slowly. So save you indignation for the small group of friend you have that all have the same narrow minded ideas and thoughts.
Eileen my love- Your Precious self would have long ceased to exist if your daddy, and his, and his before, and those before him, had held any of your thought patterns. This tells me you are a a Sport, and are, and/or will be incapable or are very unlikely to reproduce, and such specimens as that are of little to no value to the species, therefore, your opinion means Nothing, and you may do good society a favor by keeping your piehole shut, and go back to amusing your cats with their fabric mouse.
Sure i agree with vegetarianism, but in the end, in order to have a large portion of the population vegetarian it would require a crap load of medicine to make up for the lost minerals and nutrients from fish and meat, and then all of the land would have to converted to grow crops of corn, soya etc in order to supply everyone with enough veges. As a result more native habitat would be destroyed to make room for those fields, and many species would be lost because their habitat was destroyed to supply our need for veges.
Thank you for your intelligent and compassionate comment. I believe in Karma and the MYSTERY of nature will always win out in the end. The human species is doomed!
Bah, in my opinion the best option is to just hunt humans. There's billions of them, it's more of a challenge than non-sentient game, and they're quite tasty.
They make excellent incubators, as well....
Get away from her you $@#^%$!
[distorted replay] Get away from her you $@#^%$!
The Predator race hunts for sport, not for food.
That aside, there is growing evidence that the reason humanity survived as long as it has is because we taste bad. That's probably why only old and sickly apex predators hunt humans, and sharks tend to take one bite and spit out the rest... We just taste nasty. Likely because of the uric acid we carry in our muscle tissues which other species (except sharks) don't.
Actually if what I've read is true animals will avoid eating people unless they are sick, starving or in a frenzy. Pretty much the only thing that likes eating people are insects, and they tend to eat dung, which means people taste like number 2. So if you like the taste of people then you are probably a coprafeliac. EWWWW!!!
One has to love th elogic of the far left: Let's support the murder of countless babies every day, and we'll call it a "choice"...If you oppose this, you obviously hate women.
But we completely hate anyone who shoots and butchers their own dinner, since they are obviously a bloodthirsty, deranged murderer.
It is no wonder why you people will be voted out this November and have been losing relevance for years. Typical of the party of hate.
This was meant to be a comment, but couldn't find the link, only the reply link. Sorry.
I wish I were vegetarian. That said, and as a left winger (a disillusioned one, but that's another story) and as an animal activist, acknowledge my hypocrisy. As a person, I'm trying to do the best I can. I applaud those that hunt instead of eating factory meat, which is the real evil. Which is worse- for me to buy a burger that comes from an animal that's been tortured all his life, or killing for food an animal that as lived free and happy until the moment of dying?
Re: Chmee: I live in the mountains and people die every year here, getting stuck in their cars in blizzards. With her kind of sense, she'd be able to make it out alive. Nothing over the top there.
Truth: What's the point of these kinds of simplistic, cliched arguments? They are 2 different arguments that don't relate to each other. The logical snap response would then be something like, "If you regulate me, you're like a Nazi." I'm not trying to belittle you. I just wish we could all drop the nastiness and knee jerk reactions and talk to each other. There are lots of these arguments in which I've never heard a reason for someones belief in except for rhetoric. That educates no one.
I'm a liberal that agrees with the conservatives on some issues. I know there have to be conservatives that are the same in reverse. Debate used to be debate instead of just rhetoric and argument. Anyone else on either side that would like to return to respectful exchanges of ideas?
Hunting is unnecessary violence and in a world far too violent already, hunting makes an unwelcome contribution. There is no need for anyone in a civilized society to behave like a prehistoric cave dweller. Thankfully, interest in hunting is waning every year. Hunters are dying or otherwise dropping out of the sport faster than new hunters can be brainwashed into thinking that violence and cruelty are forms of recreation, and this is a trend that will not be reversed (if you don't believe me, look at the latest data coming from the US Fish and Wildlife Service). In a few generations sport hunting will cease to exist, while wildlife watching will dominate the science of wildlife management. When that happens, wildlife and habitat will be preserved and protected for the good of nature and not just to satisfy the most violent segment of society – those who enjoy unnecessary killing.
Joe,
It's good that you live the morally superior existence, where your grocery-store meat grew up on a factory farm, penned in with thousands of other animals, rapidly fattened, and slaughtered for meat.
Where-as the hunter's meat was raised in the wild, and lived the life it was meant to before becoming food (as it was also meant to).
Hunting, IMO, is -less- violent than paying someone else to do the deed for you in a mass factory of carnage.
As opposed to...cooping animals up in hot enclosed areas overfeeding them until killing them when they have zero chance from the day they are born to survive? How is that somehow more humane?
Nature is far less clean when it kills than any human hunter.
another ill informed emotionally charged opinion. I sure hope you're a vegan because if so, you are entitled to your opinion. If you eat meat, you are incredibly hypocritical. If you're so against animal cruelty, I hope you're doing your best to stop the fast food and meat industries from doing their jobs. What they do to the animal population is far worse than what hunters do. The animals I hunt, have a chance to get away and are leaner from having to survive in the wilderness. Furthermore, their meat is not pumped full of chemicals from being bred to be fat.
Hunters also have a deeper understanding of the wilderness and the problems facing it. Look up your US wildlife data and you'll probably see that hunters donate more towards land and animal conservation than any other group.
It may be recreation for some, but for others, it's a way to fill their freezers – especially in the deep economic woes the US is currently experiencing. A deer or moose can feed a family all winter, spring and most of the year.
Judging by the number of Cabela's, Big Bass Pro Shops and Gander Mountains I see driving the US, I'd sure like to see the declining numbers you boast of. I tend to disagree.
Interesting that you site science and evolution as the supporting factors in your OPINION. You must have never taken a class on environmental sciences, nor had a truly frank discussion with an expert in the field. Animals evolved for the last 5000+ years with Human's as predators. If you take that factor out of the equation in modern society, you have a problem with population growth, for a myriad of reasons and factors (yes, encroaching on their homelands is one of them, but I doubt you'll sell your house and set up a deer wildlife sanctuary on your property). Google "Exponential Growth of Deer".....the numbers will astound you. Without population control in place, if we left deer alone (because none of it's other natural predators exist in most areas anymore), they would experience a near to complete extinction within that area within about 5-7 years.
You also show your ignorance in actual hunting. Hunters are VERY concious about their kill, and making as quick and painless for the animal as possible. This is why hunters carry a hunting knife: if their shot fails to kill instantly, they will jump their kill and slit the throat.
Your conviction in your opinion does not make you right, it just means you have strong conviction, which I applaud. But you are making a decision based on emotion, and not factual information...that I do not applaud.
What a load of sanctimonious garbage. Hunting is violence? Commercial food is killed on an industrial scale, after having had an utterly miserable, albeit brief, existence. Never mind that wild & free range food tends to be much healthier, lower fat, higher in omega fatty acids (Farm raised fish have miniscule amounts compared to same species raised in the wild) etc etc etc. You take some moral high ground because you are disconnected from the process of obtaining your food? Next time you want a steak, go watch your cow go from birth to the slaughterhouse, then come back and preach about how barbaric hunting is...
"I too don't eat meat that comes from animals that die. I find mine in grocery stores..."
If you pay someone to do the killing for you, how is that any different philosophically from doing the killing yourself? Being squeamish doesn't make you morally superior or get around the fact that you sanction ending an animals life. Even if you are a vegetarian, you're going to kill many animals in your lifetime: spiders, ants...
Deal with it.
If people stop hunting, there will be no large tracts of land for people to watch animals on. Who do you think pays for the public land were these animals live? Hunters. The land were these animals live was primarily purchased through revenue generated by hunting licenses. The upkeep is also paid for by those licenses. In fact, VA has recognized this and is starting to charge a $4 fee for non-hunters to use public conservation land.
I don't usually eat meat, but when I do it's Dos Vegans.
Ah, yes. Another "Meat is Murder" debate. Never gets old. You do realize, Vegans, you are never changing anyone's mind.
Anytime I see geese in the park my mouth starts to water. Nice golden plump goose for dinner. Mmmm.
I for one am morally opposed to veganism.
This is dumb. Katniss hunts for survival, and she feels somewhat guilty about it (like the scene where she shoots a young buck). It's not a hobby or passion of hers. She's not going outside to enjoy nature (though I guess she does that too), but to feed her starving family.
Honestly, though, how is eating mass-produced factory meat more humane than hunting?
Please don't hunt!
It pains me soooo deeply to think of hunters killing these defenseless animals. I literally feel pain every year when I hear gunfire during hunting season.
Honestly, I think taht all hunting licenses sold should come with a referral to a good psychiatrist, since the connection from gun violence and propensity to kill others is thoroughly well documented. You all need professional help, and I sincerely hope you can get it.
I think the one who needs help is you. Do you somehow feel superior to hunters by eating meat thats has been tied up and bludgeoned to death? Is it that that makes you better? I personally think that hunting a animal in the wild then using as much of that animal as possible is what GOD meant in the bible. So, I say to you need to seek professional help.
i was with you until you brought "god" and the bible into this. can't we have our own ideas without referencing a 2000 year old book? ugh.
I respect your opinion, IF you are a vegetarian. But if you eat meat and think hunting is wrong, that's just hypocritical.
I don't respect the opinion even if the OP is a vegetarian. Millions of rodents die in agony from being poisoned in order to keep them from eating the grains, nuts, an so on destined for the plates of vegetarians and vegans. Billions of "pests" are killed using insecticides for the same reason.
If someone chooses to eliminate meat becasue they think it is healthier, I don't care one way or another, but when they make hypocritical pronouncements about "suffering," they are just demonstrating that they have NO IDEA where their food comes from.
At least a hunter witnesses and admits the killing they do.
Don't forget the joy the animals and insects feel when they are killed when the soil is tilled. Yes it is so much more humane.
I love the thought that animals are innocent they are not. Have you ever seen a hawk tear apart a rabbit or pigeon while its still alive or two bucks kill each other over the right to mate. Wolves will kill coyotes just because they are in their territory. This is nature its rough and there are no rights. Either you survive or you don't. Sometimes its just dumb luck that an otherwise healthy individual animal gets killed.
I am sick of humans anthropomorphsizing their feeling of equating animals with innocent or projecting the concept that animals live a carefree life removed from stressors of human life. People don realize that they embody their own feeling and concepts into or when looking at an animal. Surviving in the wild is very stressful and isn't care free.
As far as violence towards people and hunting there are no studies that even suggest there is a link. Aimee I find your speech hateful and uninformed.
Get a clue people. Yes, nature is violent and cruel. The point is animals kill to survive. They don't kill each other for fun and sport. We are supposed to be the "higher" species. Well that includes some repsonsibility to the "lesser" ones.
Mating isn't critical to the survival of an individual animal, although it is to the species, the species survival is not dependent on every animal successfully mating. On top of that if you think that nature is not cruel, mother rats will eat their young not defend them if a cat find their burrow. Life isn't fair, things die and sometimes its awful. But people can make choices to not make it worse, by healing animals and keeping them from suffering from disease and starvation sometimes this requires hunting and farms to tends them. Nothing is perfect and even benevolent people cause harm by not knowing the facts take a biology class, learn the truth and don't pretend like your choices don't have a downside too.
Animals do kill for sport see the domestic cat. Weasels will also kill just to kill there are many documented cases where dozens of chickens where killed at one time. Many predators do kill to kill. Killing other chimpanzees by chimpanzees seems very ritualistic and not driven by hunger. So it is incorrect to say predators only kill for food they don't.
That is probably the one of the dumbest arguments i have heard. So you are saying that hunters have a higher gun violence and propensity for violence than the general population. Where did you get these facts. I think you made them up. If you are going to make arguments, base them on facts and not myths that you make up in your head. Maybe you should see a shrink because you are suffering from delusion.
I went Beau Hunting and ended up with Todd.
What most people do not realize is the amount of land that is preserved via the funds generated from hunting and hunting permits. Because of hunting there are lands available for people to hike, bird watch, kayak, and other activities. Without the income generated by hunting these lands would be sold to developers and more house and strip malls would be built. Animal rights groups have contributed zero to preservation of the natural resources.
The other issue I have is the pure ignorance and delusion many vegetarians have on their impact on the environment. Just existing causes animals to die whether from electrocution to supply electricity to our homes to car strikes from our vehicles. Lets not mention the medical benefits achieved from animal testing. Our homes take up space that once was habitat for animals. There is no such thing as a cruelty free lifestyle.
I have hunted before and continue to hunt. Hunting is not easy (I use bow and arrow). More times than not I don't get something. I eat what I kill and I have a full understanding of where my food comes from. Do I enjoy killing No. What I enjoy is providing food that I harvested myself to my family. I should have the right to do this and not be tied to some company or meat products that I do not know the content of or how the animal was raised. I also forage for mushrooms, berries as well as wild plants.
Organic farming BTW is no less killing than conventional they still use pesticides and herbicides to kill pest and weeds. Lets not mention the animals that died getting the food to the store.
Has anyone clicked the link to Georgia Pellegrini's cookbook? Yum. And the recipes don't look bad either.
"Hunters like to kill", well not really, and for me defenetly not as implied. The hunting experience is far richer than the 5 seconds it takes to shoot something. That also implies I cannot enjoy myself in nature outside of hunting seasons or on days where no shots where fired, and that just not the case. And that is concept non-hunters have a hard time getting there minds around, it not something verbalized well and need to be experienced.
There is an honesty to hunting and I find it funny that most of the more ardent anti hunters I have met were not vegans, but meat eaters, ironic.
As a female hunter, I agree with HunterBob. I enjoy the peace while out stalking and trekking through the trees. I tell people that when sitting and watching an open area in the mountains, I listen to the trees sing (in the wind). I find a release and enjoy being out there. I more often than not, do not kill anything because if I don't have a clean shot that I am confident I can take, I won't take it. I love hunting, but the work begins after that 5second shot, it isn't pleasant, but I respect the animal enough that I am going to do the dirty work, clean it, and then utilize everything I can from it. I even use the bones for treats for my pet dogs. How many slaughter plants that are inhumane and in the news constantly can say the same? I bet most of these people complaining about hunting eat out at resturants though – if you eat there, even if you don't eat the meat they sell, you are supporting thier practices by supporting their company. That is what I find hypocritical. If you even like to enjoy looking at wildlife, then you need to thank a hunter – because most of the wildlife are healthy and have open space to be viewed on because of hunters.
I don't eat meat, but I consider hunting a lot more honorable than paying someone else to kill and package it for you.
Problem is if everyone that eats meat starts to hunt.
Read the thread. Obviously not a problem-to-be...
have no problem with hunting in the general sense or "fat slobs that can't see their feet" as long as they are hunting responsibly. But the majority of hunters I've known do not hunt specifically for food and should not compare what they do to the natural order. True predators tend to be opportunistic and kill the slow, the weak, and the hobbled. THIS is the natural order and helps to keep populations strong. Most hunters, however are looking for trophies to put on their wall...e.g. the big buck with the big rack; this is NOT the natural order and removes the best genes instead of the weakest. Responsible hunting is fine...trophy hunting is wrong.
Actually Robert, trophy hunting, as long as it is properly regulated, ensures genetic diversity in the animal populations. By harvesting the dominant animal it ensures his replacement in the breeding hierchy by another male that has not significantly contributed to the current gene pool.
I hunt predominantly for meat however I do not judge those who hunt for antlers. Do some research, and try not to choke on your next hamburger that is loaded with chemicals, hormones and stress related protiens caused solely by the very unhealthy operations where the non-hunters get their meat.
Hunting is the most organic way to enjoy a well balanced and healthy diet.
I know space is limited, but the story could have mentioned Annie Oakley who is probably the most famous woman hunter in American history. The line about shooting through the eye is close to one of her quotes about hunting.
the circle of life is a funny thing even the plants live off of other living organisms.PLANTS ARE LIVING TOO. us as humans the top of the food chain is eaten by worms and bugs. we become the soil and we eat alot of things that come from the soil even cows that eat the grass that is grown from the soil so this is the circle of life eating meat is part of life. would you rather me get off of my lazy butt and hunt down a deer and kill, cook, and eat my own deer or would you like me to eat that nice juicy steak from the butcher house?
I say we put all the "commenters" that think hunting is bad, cruel, barbaric, etc. into a Hunger Games arena and see how they fare beating each other with sticks and eating leaves.
I'm just glad there are a few real women left in this world.
I'm all a Quiver by your post. I must agree.
I’ve never found it a worthwhile effort to try to convert a killer. I prefer to focus on wildlife mismanagement for hunting. It’s bad enough that all those bows and arrows, guns and ammo carry a special tax that pays to create more hunting by increasing the population of deer and elk, thus depriving other animals of food and shelter; it’s even worse that OUR tax dollars pay for this very small population to get their jollies from killing. It’s criminal during this bad economy that wildlife watching is given short shrift by game agencies when it could save the day and bring so much more revenue to the coffers of these agencies for decent, compassionate management. Visit: http://www.abolishsporthunting.com
I'll remember that next time I pay those taxes you speak of.
At least that deer has a chance when it comes to the hunt. That hamburger you enjoy came from some forced fed bovine. Hunting is our legacy. We have been hunters and gatherers a hell of a lot longer than an agrarian society.
People like you are the reason wildlife is going away.....Taxes are a small price to pay to keep your world arround you and hunters are the only people that care about the management. When the government can't feed you, don't knock on my door.
Hunters don't give a crap about management. They care about pretending that they're outsmarting some wiley animals, when in fact the animals they hunt have intelligence levels on par with a toddler. Remember, these are the same animals that will stand in a road with a tractor trailer bearing down on them. Hunters hunt for entertainment, period. But even hunters have enough intelligence to refuse to admit it. Even hunters understand how disgusting it sounds to admit that they kill helpless animals for fun. You're all absolutely pathetic. As I always said, if animals ever evolve the ability to shoot back, the woods are going to be littered with fat, dead, rednecks.
Well aren't you the Animal whisperer. If you have ever been around a Big Truck, not the Little Dodge Dakota that you drive,you would realize that ALL Truck Drivers are Very Aware of Animal Crossings and are very prepared to avoid hitting these animals. In fact, Your Daddy,if you know where he is, Wants his foreskin back you Puss.
"pays to create more hunting by increasing the population of deer and elk, thus depriving other animals of food and shelter"
..so....what animals "exactly" have the right to live? Just wondering?
I guess you can't convert stupid.
Its funny the argument that because a majority of a population doesn't do an activity then it should be banned/outlawed. With that thinking we should outlaw skiing, yoga,welfare, windsurfing, knitting, bird watching, not to mention tons of other activities. As far as tax dollars are concerned the permit hunting/conservation is one of the most efficient government activities requiring less than 10% tax contribution. Find me an organization that would be willing to replace hunters and pump hundreds of millions of dollars into land conservation that many people not just hunters benefit from.
Ann,
Where I hunt, they have what's called Deer Management Permits for does. Currently, the overpopulation of deer is creating an environmental disaster that will take decades to recover, if ever. The hungry deer eat everything in sight, thus compromising the long-term biodiversity and survival of the forest they live in. They have no other predator than (1) humans and (2) coyotes.
If wolves could be brought back to the area, the population would be culled to healthy levels in no time. But wolves brought back near civilization would create an uproar dwarfing the comments written on this thread.
So hunting it is.
To all Vegans: Did you know that plants can feel too? Or that the legumes and nuts you snarf down are no different than eggs?
Bottom line is, living beings survive by eating nutritious parts of other living things – be it plants or animals.
When your food comes entirely in synthetic form – then you can think of getting back on your high horse.
I can definitely say that nuts feel. I was kicked there yesterday and dropped to the floor.
ROFLMAO :))))))))
@smartaz: dude you made me almost blow coffee all over my computer.....be less funny next time. lmfao
Okay, so I have now had my laugh for the day (maybe for the week). Thanks for the post – hope you feel better soon!
Not to mention the millions of rodents poisoned to keep them out of the food destined for the plates of vegans...
Please... The choice to avoid all meat products is a personal one that can arise for a number of reasons – not just out of regard for suffering in animals. Stop being a silly bully. Enjoy your meat and let us eat what we want. Aren't most of your kind obsessed with "freedom of choice" at any rate? Start really thinking about what that means before you open your mouth and reveal yourself to be a Grade A jerk.
from a discussion (two separate views, whatever the level of knowledge, on a subject) to being a bully for not being on the same side of an opinion...way to go.
They're a jerk for name calling, but somehow your not for doing the same thing, hum something stinks about that, wait I've got it its not only hypocrisy but its a form of bullying where you pretend to be the morally higher victim at the same time brow beating your opponent into silence. Just like when you make the straw man arguement claim that the nonvegetarians want to eat or even care if you don't meat. They don't and are in no hurry to make you eat meat. You and others on this discussion are trying to force people from eating meat or hunting.
DC – I'm not a vegan and am sure I never coule be, so I'm not saying this to stand up for the vegans. However, I just have to say that your post is idiotic. Yes, both plants and animals are living organism, but to imply there isn't a big difference between the animal and plant kingdoms is to deliberately set aside your critical thinking ability in order to make a point. Sure, there are gray areas between the kingdoms, such as the Elysia chlorotica, because as life forms have evolved they haven't kept to our hard-drawn categories, but the fact is, dogs and humans are in the animal kingdom, while broccoli and carrots are in the plant kingdom. There are meaningful differences. Your suggestion that the rudimentary sensory abilities that some plants have is comparable in any meaningful way to the central nervois system of sentient creatures is just stupid. I suggest you stop surfing the net and pack your lunch & backpack before you miss the bus to middle school. And please pay particular attention in science class.
Hypocrite.....i call hypocrite!! Studies have been proven to show that plants have an instinctual reaction to pain, not just to themselves, but to others of their type. You are calling the world flat when Columbus has found it to be round. Rational thought is a good tool, but there is so much we do not know, that your claim to such just makes you an arrogant fool.
You are so right because plants developed toxins (chemical warfare) and thorns (weapons) and bark (armour) because they don't know any better or just want to be eaten. I'm pretty sure the carrots and potatoes were hiding in the ground not to feed burrowers, who by the way to get at the good stuff when the plants tried to play keep away, but the plants hide in the ground to keep away from your greedy mouth. You being the self rightous jerk went after them anyway and pretend like its okay because they can't complain. Lets ignore basic biological responses and dismiss the facts that life is life and it does what it has to to survive. Sometimes thats eat meat sometimes thats not.
I'm more concerned with the rediculous position of the arrow in the picture accompanying this article. The people setting up this photo shoot obviously know NOTHING about shooting a bow! If you're going to do a movie or TV show about hunting at least get the details like this right. Anyone trying to copy what this girl is doing with her arrow is setting themselves up for some trouble.
Yeah, letting go of that string is probably going to cause some pain...
Agreed – as a avid traditional archer for 30 years, I have to say her form is terrible. The arrow is way to high on the string, and where is the arrow resting, on her wrist? And what's with the stupid finger pointing? I cringe every time I see that photo...
I'm not even an archer outside of high school gym class and even I was wondering about the way she's holding the arrow in that picture.
The interesting part is that often filmmakers know the form they use with bows, knives, guns, swords, etc. is incorrect. However, there is a fear that if the use correct forms, the audience won't accept it. Think about how many people criticized 2001: A Space Odyssey for the completely realistic portrayal of the protagonist traveling briefly through space without his helmet. If you are willing to go to a dangerously addictive web site, the "Movie Tropes" web site describes "The Coconut Effect" and "Artistic License – Gun Safety" for good explanations of movie weapon use.
I've fished my whole life (taught by my father and grandfather), and I am a woman. I get looks from men who can't cast as far, or from those who I outfish. And they are always shocked that I know what I am doing – girls aren't supposed to do things like this. But I put food on the table. I don't like to kill the fish, but I do it. I say a prayer to them first, thank them for giving their life, and do it. I'm now teaching my husband to fish, and he has trouble with the killing part, so I do it for him most times. After a while you get used to it – but taking any life is not a joy, and for the many that we take home, we make sure that we relase some, too.
@mtngal: you native american? never heard of anyone else thanking the animal for giving it's life to feed us. btw, i'm lakota.
I am an avid fisher and soon to be hunter. I am also an atheist. Whenever i kill a fish, i thank it. It's not so much a prayer as an acknoledgement of life. It is an important part of the eexperience. I too throw back a lot of fish. Too small, not worth killing. Too big, let them make babies. Most hunters and fishers i know are super respectful of nature.
I am not a Native American...but I thank game after i've killed it. As a hunter, I feel it is our obligation to care for our environment. Take what you can use and leave it better than you found it.
I am not native american – just realize that being at the 'top' of the food chain requires some thought about where our food comes from, and how much we are consumnig. I am taking a life when I keep a fish, and for me, that isn't to be taken lightly. And I agree, make sure some go back to keep breeding. Especially salmon and the trout in the remote lakes (I live in the Pacific NW).
I'm going hunting for some VEGANS. They are all over Sherwood Forest. Nasty creatures.
I don't think posts like this help change the perception of hunting as a less evolved pursuit in this country. Many vegans actually have no problem with hunted, wild meat. They're more opposed to industrial farming practices than ethical hunting.
@friar: lmao how do you like your vegen? broiled or extra crispy?
Quiet. I like my Vegans Quiet.
Yes, of course, because killing is such a wonderful way for families to connect then we wonder why sixteen year olds are shooting friends at school.
The NRA is wrong. Like in Virginia. How many feakin' guns do you need to buy a month? There are so many cases of criminals not having a gun until they come into a house full of guns that are then used to subdue or kill those in the house and now the criminal has guns!
This is not the wild west or when we had to have guns to hunt for our food!!! Unless you can't drive from your trailer park double wide to go shop for food.
Another ignorant comment.
I live in Maine, highest amount of registered guns per capita, and the lowest rate of gun related violence.
Why? Might it have something to do with so many people being raised to respect the weapon?
School shootings take place because too many people are irresponsible and don't teach their kids anything useful. Like how to hunt.
Maine is a great state where people grow up around guns and have the respect for them that they deserve. I have hunted there twice for sea ducks and I am hoping that I will get a moose tag one of these times.
That sounds extremely factual. Everyone knows that criminals have a really hard time getting a gun.
Yeah they have that 10 day waiting period and background check on the purchases from that van in the alley right.
Asking how many guns someone need is like asking a golfer how many clubs do they need.....
Most gun related accidents are due to the lack of education or improper handling. Most kids and adults today are not taught how to properly handle a gun, they are taught to fear the very site of one. Not to mention the over glorification in entertainment media ie: video games, movies, etc.
A gun is nothing more than a tool, when properly used it performs well. Legal gun ownership is not to be taken lightly.
If you don't want to own a gun that's fine. However if you do you should learn how to properly handle and secure it.
Hunting is a tradition in this country that is being eradicated through legislation and over development.
I'm a proud member of PETA. People Eating Tasty Animals. As for the driving from the doublewide to get food dang right. Except its a single wide and it's driving to town to get more bullets to get more food. If God had intended on humans being vegetarians he wouldn't have made animals taste so darn good.
Zaphod, that attitude is abusive and rather snide. You throw many many different things together in a rant that rally don't match up to one another.
Yes, I hunt, and I fish and I eat what I kill. There are three lessons that make sportsmanship important:
1) Humans have fundamanetally altered the ecology, and not for the better. By displacing the skunk, raccoon, weasel, coyote, raptor, and wolf populations, humans have upset the predator/prey balance across the globe. This has caused significant damage to the game populations, as well as represents a threat to humans (e.g. deer versus car). It is our duty as sportsman to work with governement resources to redress this imbalance. This means hunting only what is allowed, when it is allowed, within the limits set by the experts to preserve and stabilize the game populations.
2) Responsible sportsman understand that well maintained wilderness is crucial to the survival of the game, the sport, and humanity as a whole. As I traverse my hunting grounds, I leave as little a trace as possible, and improve the area if I can. I support efforts to reclaim natural grounds and minimze suburban sprawl which put pressure on wildlife.
3) I understand that killing animals to eat is a sad thing. I do my best to make their deaths with as little suffering as possible by practicing to be a good shot and studying my target. I choose to forego a shot that may result in a wounded animal. I eat what I kill, for to waste part of that animal does a disserive to the creature's sacrifice.
I firmly believe that it is our lack of connection to our food that allow us to gobble endless steaks, fried-chicken and cheeseburgers without any pangs of conscience. It is part of why the society is so obese. We do not appreciate the sacrifice for our food. We do not see the connection between the living animal and the peice of pink flesh wrapped in plastic at the store. Most people couldn't pick up a steak and tell you what part of the animal it came from.
We need more people with your attitude in this nation. I am not a hunter myself, but I am a conservationist. Over the past 120 years or so, hunters and trappers have done as much to conserve wilderness and animal populations as anybody. Hunting turns part of the cost of proper wilderness management into a profitable recreation.
If you are against hunting then WHY ARE YOU READING THIS ARTICLE?
Because it is never enough that I don't hunt, I don't want ANYONE to hunt!
Because the internet shouldn't be a tool to just filter out only the things we are interested in. Didn't your parents ever force you to eat vegetables for your own good? You need to be exposed to viewpoints that you don't immediately agree with. Geez don't you get that?
i get that there are losers out there like you that cry about animal rights but do nothing to help the overall health of the species. i am really looking forward to tomorrow when I will go turkey hunting and hopefully get to shoot one in the head. I really feel sorry for you that you will never get to experience the thrill of the hunt and comradely that goes along with celebrating over a good kill or even the experience of being outside. Remember... A day hunting will alway refresh your mind from having to deal with liberals!
Way to go coward. You're perpetuating the stereotype of hunters being ignorant and pathetic. It's not at all a coincidence that as educations levels increase, hunting and religion become less practiced. Let me guess, you also call yourself an outdoorsman and someone who appreciates nature. You're an idiot. So go ahead, go out tomorrow and shoot at something that's defenseless. Maybe it will make up for your tiny genitals.
Hunting is fine as long as it's a level playing field. The problem is that too many people do it like Dick Cheney, "hunting" just released penned up animals. Others sit in a blind with a high powered rifle complete with a scope waiting for an animal to find the food they've put out.
If you track an animal down and kill it then you can call it hunting, but if you don't then you are just ambushing Bambi.
Why is it ok if it's on a "level playing filed?" The animal is dead either way. Is it on a level playing filed in the slaughterhouse? Of course not! So get over your trumped up indignation, accept that they are just animals and that we are predators and that they are our prey. A predator does not look for a "level playing field." A predator looks for the easiest kill it can get. Unless you're hunting for fun, which I do all the time. . .I don't HAVE to use a bow and arrow to kill deer and boar and turkey and bear. . .but I do. . .because it's FUN! So called "animal rights" and anti-huntin are first world affectations of an affluant society. They are psycho-social constructs to make people feel more compassionate and to show others that they are more compassionate than them.
I'm not saying hunting is bad, it makes no difference if animals are killed by "hunters" or slaughter houses. I'm just sick of fat slobs who think they're macho hunters because they go out in the woods with a rifle. Most of them can't even see their own feet!
I have no problem with hunting in the general sense or "fat slobs that can't see their feet" as long as they are hunting responsibly. But the majority of hunters I've known do not hunt specifically for food and should not compare what they do to the natural order. True predators tend to be opportunistic and kill the slow, the weak, and the hobbled. THIS is the natural order and helps to keep populations strong. Most hunters, however are looking for trophies to put on their wall...e.g. the big buck with the big rack; this is NOT the natural order and removes the best genes instead of the weakest. Responsible hunting is fine...trophy hunting is wrong.
Serial killers are oportunistic does that make them okay. Pretty much all killing is opportunistic.
@chris: lol. hey bambi has sharp pointy horns, my high powered infared scoped rifle is leveling the playing field. lmao
You sound like you've never been hunting before in your life.
Chris, I disagree with your view of hunting pen raised birds. While Dick Cheney gave quail hunting a bad name, in many parts of the country suburban sprawl has eliminated natural upland bird habitat. The only bird hunting left is on private preserves that augment the bird population with pen raised birds.
But I do agree with your view of what deer hunting has become. I was watching a hunting show on TV recently. The hunter was sitting in a blind with more amenities than some homes. The deer he shot fell and knocked over the automated feeder that it was standing next to. That most certainly is not hunting.
I strongly agree with you. I had an anthropology professor in college who told us of a tribe he spent some years with in the early 80s. When he told them how we americans hunted, they laughed and thought he was joking.
He said that their bows were so underpowered, that they had to be within 30-40 feet of an animal to kill it. After hearing about that, I no longer consider what we do in America "hunting". If it involves a stand or a rifle, it is not hunting. It's just killing.
Show me a person who can kill deer or rabbit with a reflex bow on foot, or a person who can kill a bear with a knife, and I'll show you a real hunter.
I live in squirrel and rabbit central. I just need some snares. Squirrel on rotisserie or some Hosenfefer.
Have a good recipe for Brunswick Stew? Been wanting to try that. . . .
I kill animals to prevent global warming. I have to reduce those carbon footprints.
Imagine how much carbon we could save by killing your fat arse!
you must have a small carbon footprint due to that huge stick up your rear.
I think I just stepped in Yes's carbon footprint. And it smells terrible. You can't say they're full of it it because they keep letting it out all over the internet.
@smart: lmfao
Blow something away to start your day!
@Kim, It would be a just world if idiots could know exactly how stupid that they are too...
Wanna try that again in English, Skippy?
Interestingly enough, purchase of hunting/fishing licenses has gone up with the economy's downturn (at least in the New England states). As grocery prices go up, people are going to have to become more self-sufficient. I'm not saying it's the end of the world, just changing with the circumstances.
Why is it if I mention I have a 20X40 garden, tell people I do my own preserves, make my own juices, and freeze vegetables for the winter, people ask all sorts of questions. However, if I mention I hunt & fish, they get all offended, or like the article says, they raise their eyebrows with the "I don't know what to say expression".
Also, many of the hunting shows aired on television, either before or during the end credits, will say where they are donating the meat from the episode; a veteran's hospital, a shelter, etc. Talk to a hunter, things don't get wasted.
Whether it's a plant or an animal, something has to die for something else to live. We have yet to come up with a completely synthetic food source. Like it or not, we are still part of the world around us; we use it, take from it, and even in death, go back to it.
Thanks you pretty much described the Biology 109 & Biology 109 Lab I had to take in College.
I happen to know for a fact that individuals connected to the Obama administration are working on a program very similar to "The Hunger Games".
Nice try, spoon.
Ironic that you say that, since the Hunger Games as written, are more an extension of Republican policy than Democrat... Rich people using poor and impoverished people to supply them with labor and goods for their entertainment.
ditto. This's what I felt while I was reading the trilogy. Can't wait the move release but I also don't expect it as good as the book.
An argument can be made that it is also a reflection of left wing politics since in the book the act of hunting , non approved trade and genertal self sufficiency is very illegal. Self sufficiency is defenetly not a vurtiue in the left wings eyes.
I am learning to hunt. I do it because I want to have the skills if I need them. I take no pleasure in killing any living creature. I waste nothing. Hunting for need is justified. Hunting for sports/entertainment is sick. I understand the sentiment of animal lovers, but if it came down to a survival situation you guys are definately going to be thinking twice about eating that animal. Sadly, you won't have the skills to catch anything that matters, particularly in a cold winter.
Good for you! I'm working to improve my shot. If you are curious about marksmanship, go online and check out "Appleseed Shoot." These are great programs for training.
You won't ever need to hunt. You're living in a fantasy world. And it doesn't take skills to hunt. Hunters are some of the dumbest people you can find in the wilderness.
That Americans hunt is proof of just how crude and barbaric their culture is. That you would teach your children to hunt furthers this point. Do you teach them to relieve themselves in public as well?
Europeans would never act this uncivilized.
Nor would they go to a dentist or shave their armpits.
This made my day! LOL-ipops!
So you'd rather eat something raised in a cage and killed without ever experiencing its own freedom? Seems like you are the one thats barbaric. Do you eat Veal? A baby calf that's raised in a small cage so it cant stand and develop leg muscles. Because that would toughen up that delicious meat!
Nor would Americans care about your arrogant opinion.
...I thought a "European" was a mythical creature?..............
Europeans dont hunt? Are you kidding?
Which is why they have a Federation of Hunters Association of the European Union. Don't be so ignorant.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation_of_Associations_for_Hunting_and_Conservation_of_the_EU
http://www.face.eu/
@jeann: we hunt because it a good skill for our population to have and helps use appreicate our place in nature..........best part makes our population as a whole ready for full scale war. oh and reminder our brutish culture saved your scared ar.se during WWII.
"Europeans would never act this uncivilized."
Which is probably why we both won our freedom from Europeans and had to save their asses... twice
Fox hunts in Ireland? Deer hunting in almost every nation in Europe> Boar hunting in France? Bear hunting in the Czech Republic? No....Europeans would never hunt. How about checking your facts before you post such ignorance! What sort of magic do you think produces the food you buy in the market? There is no difference between hunting your own food and paying someone else to butcher it for you.
I belonged to hunting clubs in both Germany and England when I lived in those countries.
Europeans hunt also, but thank you for your enlightenment.
Jeann, perhaps before writing something as inane as "europeans would never do this" you should brush up on european history. Most european countries have hunted to near extinction most of the animals that once roamed their forests and plains, so perhaps in that sense you're right, they would never hunt. Just look at Italy.
Jeann,
Your comment shows your ignorance of the subject. Release such judgement until you educate your self about how the food you eat gets on your table. Then judge your self for your part in that.
Idiot. There is a 'hunting society' in just about every country in the World.
Then WHEN the day comes that people will have to be totally self sustaining, Europeans will be among the first to die.
Ummm....Europe extends beyond the German car commercial you saw on TV. Hunting is quite common in Scandinavia. In Sweden, many of my relatives enjoy hunting. In Lapland, the people tend to herds of reindeer which are raised for meat and fur. If you don't want to hunt or eat meat, have your dentist remove your incisors and commit to the herbivore lifestyle.
Um, @Jeann, not to point point out your obvious ignorance, but many Europeans hunt. Unless, in your world, England, France, Spain and Switzerland are not European anymore. Pretty much every European country has hunting.
Wow! The ignorance around here is astonishing today.
I am only opposed to hunting when you eat what you kill. If you let the animal die, its carbon will return to the ecosystem.
Yeah, or it's carbon will return to the environment in other forms, in other areas. Something is going to eat the kill, why not you?
Because I think the world needs more wildlife, If we were living in the 1800's I would be Teddy Roosevelt. Nowadays, there just isn't much wildlife left so I think it is better to just let it live. If another animal kills what I would have hunted then its all the better, that animal can use that carbon to reproduce.
It's carbon will eventually return to the planet even if you eat it.
Humans are omnivores not herbivores
"And awaaaaaay we go!"
I always wish my family had taught me how to hunt. My father died when I was young and there's no question in my mind that I would've learned if he was still around. I should really get my uncles to teach me one of these seasons. I'm screwed if something catastrophic happens unless I can make the 1200 mile journey back home to find my uncles.
Meat is bad! blah blah blah.
As long as there is no over hunting and you eat what you hunt I am not opposed to hunting. While on the subject of hunting, I think poachers should be hunted...with extreme prejudice.
WOW...just like in the hunger games....you should run for pres...
Except that most hunters don't need to be eating any more food. Forcing animals to give their lives to make fat people fatter isn't a legitimate argument for hunting.
It would be a just world if hunters could feel exactly the same pain that they are causing.
Yes. Hunters are killers. Make no mistake about it. Gender is irrelevant. If you like to hunt, you like to kill.
Idiotic statement.
Then I hope you're a vegan, because hunting is much, much more humane than typical agricultural practices. If you eat free range type meat, then just because the farmer kills your meat from you doesn't make it any different than hunting for yourself.
Do you know how many rodents die in horrible agony after being poisoned to protect food destined for the plates of vegans? Vegans do immeasurable harm to living animals, they just do it indirectly so they can preserve their sanctimonious illusions.
My God – no scientist on earth would support the statement that vegans do more harm to animals than meat eaters. What a rationalization. Do you actually HEAR yourself? This sounds like Rush Limbaugh (you know, trying to convince people that Hummers are more enviornmentally-friendly than Priuses).
AM, next time read more carefully before commenting. Technicality never said anything about doing more harm – the post reads " Vegans do immeasurable harm to living animals." It is undeniable that that assertion is true when one takes into account the loss of animal habitats when carving out farmland, the animals killed by farm machinery, and the animals injured and killed during transportation of produce to markets. Accusing someone of something they didn't say, so that you might react with an excess of emotion and illogical analogies does you no credit.
I pity you.
Probably spoken by an abortion supporter.
Zing!!!
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Best response ever
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I'd love to see you telling a tribe of Native Americans this. Or how about Eskimos? Should they all his their local Piggly Wiggly and shop the produce section?
Completely idiotic statement. Hunting because it's necessary for survival is completely different than hunting to make yourself fatter.
Bahahahahaha.
Where do you think hamburgers and chicken fingers come from you dolt?
chickens don't have fingers just like buffaloes don't have wings...
Tell that to the Tiger or Lion who hunts the rabbits, gazelle, ... Hunting is a natural part of life on this planet for carnivorous species.
It would be a just world if every ignorant vegan didn't benefit from scientific advances made from animals. If only...
@kim: you eat cheeseburgers? how about hot dogs? any meat product at all? how do you think that delicous dead animal makes it to your plate? it doesn't die of natural causes first that much i can assure you. we have to kill to eat, it's just in america people have become lazy and try to seperate themselves from nature......as if they are better then nature. everything kills to eat except for a few plant types. so you are being a hypocrite thinking you're not involved in the nature of killing to eat.
I killed a carrot last summer...
Baaaaaad Bunny!
What a blow hole idea! In a just world you would starve to death from having such ideas
I don't think of hunters as causing pain and suffering – I think of corporations such as McDonald's, Monsanto, etc., causing pain and suffering.
Please, have you seen the conditions these farm raised animals live in? You are the one thats enabling animal cruelty. Not hunters...
Hunters also eat food from these sources. A hunter has no concern for the well being of animals, whether they're raised for food and slaughtered, or killed in the woods. Seriously hunters, just give up and admit that you enjoy the cowardly pass time of shooting animals for entertainment. No one believes that any of you have more admirable reasons.
Learn to speak only for yourself. Many of us know hunters who intentions are sound, humane and ethical.
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Unless you are a total vegitarian, and don't wear any leather products, all these anti-hunting statements are hypocrital. If I were an animal, I'd much rather be killed in the field by a hunter than a processing plant. BTW – they still hunt in Europe too!
Animals raised and killed in slaughter houses feel far more pain, throughout the lives, the wild animals. A deer in the wild feels no more pain from a hunter than it does from being taken down by a pack of wolves. Hunting is probably the "most" humane way to harvest an animal for food....
Why are the less and less hunters in the US? Because less and less people need to hunt. Ya know the NRA is desperate when they send out the teen girls!
No hate for proper hunters by the way, but facts are facts; less and less people find hunting less and less "fun".
Ya know what's healthier than wild meat? No meat at all.
"No hate for proper hunters"
What's your definition of "proper hunter"? A hunter who actively works against the NRA?
The NRA is behind 'The Hunger Games'? I can't believe the nerve of these brainwashing hatemongers.
Crop based agriculture is responsible for more animal deaths through habitat loss than hunting and also resposible for huge amounts of chemicals in our water . At least by hunting and raising my own livestock I take resposibility for my food intake and also ensure the animals I raise are killed cleanly and humanely and not in some crap infested feedlot. Having hunted my whole life I can also say the kill is the worst part and I make sure it is as painless as possible. I dont want to take away from your self righteousness though as it seems you take pleasure in it.
Exactly. I know how my animals lived and how they died. I'm a big fan of Joel Salatin and Michael Pollan, if you have not read anything by either one you might really enjoy it, Jack.
Actually, you are incorrect. Wild game is a much healthier lifestyle than the "no meat" lifestyle. I challenge you to eat no animal products for the rest of your life and not take one supplement. The human animal is an omnivore, that means we can survive on anything edible for a short while but need both for the long term.
Even your beloved Bambi would eat meat if it was starving.
No, the reason there are less hunters is because states keep increasing the fees on hunting and fishing licenses. Not to mention more and more regulations on gun owners.
And lets not forget the over development and posting of lands that hunters used to have access to.
As long as you eat what you kill, I'm ok with that. But I don't like the 'thrill of the kill'... I wonder does it translate over to killing humans, as well, for a person who has mental issues.
Or all people who have a username that starts with "p."
yeah cuz, you know, wolves and lions are frickin nuts!!!
Did you know that roughly 2% of the population of the world has psychopathic tendencies? So I am sure there are some people out there who love to hunt other people.
You make it sound as if only people can hunt other people....
I was surfing one day out in New Zealand and my friend kept yelling at me and waving his arms...then others started doing it. I was a head in the clouds type person and thought I was not suppose to be on that area of the beach. As I was paddling back to shore, I could hear them clear as day "Great WHITE Mate!!!" Notice how they didn't just say shark. I looked back and didnt see it, I got onto shore and they pointed it out. 50 yards to the right of me, it was just swiming, at least 18 feet. Every living thing is food for something. Good hunting as they say.
That's what she said....
Soylent Green is people....
I think it's good for women and adolescents to at least know how to hunt. I don't hunt but I used when I was a kid and even into my 20's and I know how to hunt. If it ever became necessary that I provide for myself and my family by hunting, I could certainly do it easily. It's a good thing to know. I also know a little about farming. So if there was some kind of catastrophe, I could cope with it. I'm not a doomsday prepper, but I do have some basic skills.
lol I was just gonna say you could give those doomsday preppers a run for their money. I hope you're more sane than they are though, because I feel like with all the preparation, they would scare themselves stupid.
If you are one of those 2012 Doomsday Mayan prediction people, I could see your point. However, there is absolutely nothing crazy about prepping for disasters/ dangerous situations, especially nowadays. You people who live in bubbles, where nothing bad could possible happen, are the oddballs in my mind. Wake up and take a look at the world, study history. I'll be prepared for anything. You'll be lucky if you have your shoes on. Good luck.