5@5 - Josh Ozersky
May 25th, 2011
05:00 PM ET
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5@5 is a daily, food-related list from chefs, writers, political pundits, musicians, actors, and all manner of opinionated people from around the globe.

Hello, is it meat you're looking for?

Then meat meet Josh Ozersky, a James Beard Award-winning food writer for TIME Magazine and author of "The Hamburger: A History" and "Meet Me In Manhattan: A Carnivore’s Guide to New York City."

Ozersky is also the founder of the Meatopia festival, where noteworthy chefs from all over the country cook up cows, pigs, lambs, goats and every barnyard animal in between for the omnivorous masses.

If you haven't sensed a common theme here, the man likes - and knows - his meat.

The Five Things Every Carnivore Must Know: Josh Ozersky

1. The fat is the meat, and the meat is the vegetable
"An open secret of meat cookery is that the actual muscle tissue in any animal is, from a taste point of view, more or less inert. It's just...there. The fat is the active ingredient, the animating spirit, of everything you eat that is meaty. So keep it and care for it, and only buy meats that show a goodly presence of it. And for God's sake, never pull the skin of the chicken!"

2. Healthy gums = medium rare
"Ordering a steak the way you like it shouldn't involve an argument, but sadly, there are no federal guidelines that constitute the various degrees of doneness. Which is too bad; because if there is one thing chefs and diners need to be on the same page on, it's that.

In the case of beef, 'very rare' means a cool red center; 'rare' means a warm red center; medium rare, a warm deep pink, the color of healthy gums; 'medium' is pink like Paris Hilton's purse, and hot in the middle. 'Medium well' has just a fleeting trace of pink. And beyond that I can't condone going."

3. It's not a sirloin, but keep eating, keep eating!
"No word in the language of beef is more misused, even by chefs, than 'sirloin.' That gorgeous prime beefsteak you had at the Palm? Or Sparks? Or Dan Tana's, or Gene and Georgetti's? It isn't a sirloin. It's a strip or shell steak, sometimes called Kansas City strip or New York strip, but always from the short loin, and never the sirloin.

The sirloin is the animal's hip, right below it, and never quite as good. It's a great bargain, but not the same steak, and if you are paying strip prices for sirloin, you have cause for complaint."

4. The law of meaty conservation
"When an animal dies, it gives its all for you; so the least that you can do, when eating it, is to make sure that you use every bit of its delicious essence. I'm not saying to start cooking up the heart and spleen at home. But the fat that renders out can make delicious hash browns; the bones can make stocks and gravies; and even the water and wine a tough old bird braises in can be added to a casserole to give it a profound depth and mouthfeel you wouldn't otherwise get."

5. What constitutes barbecue
"I'm not going to say what barbecue is and what it isn't. I'm going to let the US government do it for me. With a rare and far-seeing wisdom, the USDA once took it upon itself to define what barbecue is and isn't.

To wit: 'Barbecued meats, such as product labeled 'Beef Barbecue' or 'Barbecued Pork,' shall be cooked by the direct action of dry heat resulting from the burning of hard wood or the hot coals therefrom for a sufficient period to assume the usual characteristics of a barbecued article, which include the formation of a brown crust on the surface and the rendering of surface fat. The product may be basted with a sauce during the cooking process. The weight of barbecued meat shall not exceed 70 percent of the weight of the fresh uncooked meat.'

Which is to say: sweet sauce doesn't make it BBQ, and vinegar doesn't make it BBQ, and cooking it on a grill, even with real lump hardwood, doesn't make it BBQ. Smoke alone, the fragrant fumes of smoldering hardwood alone, can flavor and cook and concentrate meat in the magic way the State recognizes. And how very right they are."

*For tickets: Amstel Light Meatopia Presented by Whole Foods (July 23 - Brooklyn, NY)

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  1. I eat meat

    Got the knife and fork ready – bring it on!

    May 26, 2011 at 11:56 am |
  2. Mark

    Factory farming is horrible for both the animal and environment. People want their goods fast, cheap and out of control. This is one area where no one will ever win. No one said stop eating meat, but you should choose more carefully where you buy it from!

    May 26, 2011 at 10:58 am |
    • The Witty One@Mark

      Holy crap. You actually said something I agree with.

      May 26, 2011 at 4:10 pm |
  3. MEET

    @Tree You must be a city kid. It's a HERD of cattle that you HEARD coming up behind you.

    May 26, 2011 at 10:46 am |
    • Tree

      Is that all you have to say about the topic? Correcting my grammar.

      May 26, 2011 at 8:10 pm |
  4. Keith

    If the piece is for humour, then I laughed. If it is serious, I also laughed.

    There are positives for meat-eating : it tastes delicious and is a good source of protein, minerals and vitamins.
    The disadvantages are : it leads to life-threatening conditions like diabetes, heart disease, high blood-pressure and colon diseases such as diverticular disease ( because of its minimal fibre content ). Raising animals uses far greater amounts of the earth's resources than growing plants and grains as food. A major cause of climate change is the billions of grazing animals which fart methane into our atmosphere.

    Meat-eating creatures have rows of sharp teeth. Mammals designed for plant-based diets have grinding types of teeth ( like humans ). Tigers have short 3 to 4 feet colons for the quick consumption, digestion and expelling of meat. Human colons can be 30 feet long, allowing plenty of bad things to happen during the 2 days that meat stays in our bodies.

    When confronted with a patient who survives a heart attack, the first thing most doctors suggest is to cut back or eliminate meat from the diet. Are hundreds of thousands of those doctors wrong ?

    Each to his or her own . . .

    May 26, 2011 at 10:23 am |
    • Wiz

      Sugar leads to diabetes and heart disease, not meat.
      Grain and corn monoculture is just as damaging to the environment, what with all the chemical fertilizers and pesticides, and the fossil-fueled farm machinery required to grow the crops. Healthy farmlands depend on a mix of plants and livestock (which produce manure) for healthy soil.
      Bows and arrows, knives and forks, and fire have reduced our needs for sharp teeth. Predatory animals use those teeth as their killing tools as well as for eating.
      And the human colon is only 5-6 feet. You're thinking of our entire intestinal tract.

      May 26, 2011 at 10:45 am |
    • Riboflavin

      "When confronted with a patient who survives a heart attack, the first thing most doctors suggest is to cut back or eliminate meat from the diet. Are hundreds of thousands of those doctors wrong ?"

      Just like hundreds of thousands of doctors have been telling us that we need to cut out salt from our diets no matter what? What is the new research showing about that? In your world doctors might be infallible, but on Earth they certainly aren't.

      Also remember that just because a doctor recieved a top-notch education, that doesn't mean he/she has kept up to date on the newest findings and treatments.

      May 26, 2011 at 11:54 am |
      • AleeD@Riboflav-a-flav

        *Sighs with a smile*

        What a refreshing post. Thank you for your clarity.

        May 26, 2011 at 12:24 pm |
      • Keith

        Isn't it amazing how everything we knew just a few years ago is now wrong.

        July 4, 2014 at 1:41 pm |
    • Keith

      The reason we eat meat is because some animals can survive in conditions that people can not. So they eat the available grass or browse and we eat the animals. You assertion that is cost more to raise animals than produce is false. What we do in America has nothing to do with the realities of much of the world needing meat to survive. You can't do much gardening on the Serengeti plane or the Australian outback.

      July 4, 2014 at 1:37 pm |
  5. Foreskin@MalaDee

    Is flaccidly a REAL word?

    May 26, 2011 at 7:53 am |
    • MalaDee@Foreskin

      When in doubt, look it up.


      May 26, 2011 at 7:56 am |
  6. T-Bone

    Eating medium well meat has helped my erectile dysfunction immensely. No more trips to the ER for a 5 hour Boner!

    May 26, 2011 at 7:48 am |
    • Spanky


      May 26, 2011 at 8:04 am |
  7. Fletch

    One reason why I'd never go vegan is because of pretentious douchebags like Mark. Not once were any of his arguments professional...they were all, "I'm right and you're a moron because you think and believe differently than me." I think I'm going to eat a vegan for dinner tonight. Then I'm going to get an extra slab of steak and throw it right into the garbage to make up for the liberal, know-it-all, it's-my-responsibility-to-tell-you-all-how-to-live, pious, self-aggrandizing hippies like Mark.

    May 26, 2011 at 7:48 am |
    • Chief Karlin@Fletch

      Aw c'mon, Don't waste a good steak by throwing it out. Cook it up, cut it into bite-size pieces and, piece by piece, slooooowly force feed it to the nearest holier-than-thou vegan – Clockwork Orange style.


      May 26, 2011 at 7:54 am |
      • Spanky

        That is one jacked up movie.

        May 26, 2011 at 7:57 am |
    • Spanky

      I know, right? What in the world is Mark going to do when he finally realizes that we get along just fine without his 2 cents.

      May 26, 2011 at 7:54 am |
      • Mr. Miyagi@ Spanky

        Commit hara-kiri if we're lucky.

        May 26, 2011 at 12:11 pm |
  8. kite005

    Well he's about half right in what he says here. But only half and I don't care what food experts or chef's say, if they cook mine only medium well they can take it back and start over.

    May 26, 2011 at 7:39 am |
  9. Awesome

    Great site for meat lovers: http://www.meatspin.com

    May 26, 2011 at 6:47 am |
    • Jeff

      Pretty funny. You got me. Now, gonna go hit a beef in the head with a sledgehammer and grill it up over mesquite.

      May 26, 2011 at 7:11 am |
  10. Carnie Vore

    For every post on here from a self-righteous, Vegan, do-gooding, holier-than-thou jackoff, I'm going to go buy a pound of meat and just throw it away.

    May 26, 2011 at 6:39 am |
    • Jeff

      Amen, brother.

      May 26, 2011 at 7:09 am |
  11. Bob

    Mark, why do you insist on being so incredibly wrong while being incredibly arrogant? Is it because your no meat diet has caused you to look like some pale malnourished annorexic? Is it because you're one of those people that suffer from the dillusion that you're never wrong?

    Take your incredibly biased 'science research' that you're using to claim all this BS, print it out on some paper, and then eat it.

    May 26, 2011 at 6:14 am |
  12. OMG!!!


    May 26, 2011 at 4:53 am |
    • GMO!!!

      We're talking about eating meat, not 'meat flaps.'

      May 26, 2011 at 7:08 am |
  13. chana

    ..... hmm now that you think of it meat is kinda gross not in the sense taste but as far as thinking where it came from, makes you kinda sick to your stomach.... ugh i shd be a vegatarian lol, and the fat part is the worst part...how can anyone put that in thier mouth and chew on it dont it just gag you ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no thanks i give up on meat, and stick with chicken i guess

    May 26, 2011 at 4:19 am |
    • Raven

      Chicken is also meat, by the way. And as a top part of the food chain, it is natural we eat meat. If humans were not meant to eat meat, we would not be built the way we are, and would not have the teeth we do. Laws of nature.

      May 26, 2011 at 4:23 am |
      • Mark

        I can see your study of human anatomy stopped in the first grade. Study more human biology and you will see that humans were NEVER designed to consume animal products.

        May 26, 2011 at 5:33 am |
      • MalaDee@Mark

        What are you studying? Name some of your "study" material instead of lambasting others for not being educated to your purported level. Support your case.

        Or do you just like to flaccidly take your frustrations out on others?

        May 26, 2011 at 7:45 am |
      • 2nd Grade Anatomy

        You are 100% right, Mark!

        But only because humans were never 'designed' at all.

        However, we did evolve to be omnivores.

        May 26, 2011 at 7:47 am |
      • Kill all the Animals

        @ Mark......what about breast milk? Riddle me that?

        May 26, 2011 at 7:31 pm |
    • girlie

      You know, it is possible to cut off the fat after it's cooked and before you eat it. Shocking, isn't it!

      I'm fine with the fat that cooks into the meat, but the consistency of the rest of the fat, meh. So I trim off the fat and enjoy the rest. Often with some steamed asparagus or broccoli. Yes, I do combine vegetables with my meat choices. Another shocker!

      May 26, 2011 at 7:39 am |
  14. SeauxGood

    Thank you SO much for settling the BBQ question! My heart almost leaped out of my chest when I read #5. As a proud Texan, I stand firmly by the belief that BBQ is slowly smoked at a medium-to-low temperature. It is not cooked by direct heat. I don't care how beautiful a sauce you basted it in or how special you think your rub is; if you cooked it over an active flame, it is GRILLED and not BARBECUED! Period!

    May 26, 2011 at 3:35 am |
    • MalaDee@SeauxGood



      May 26, 2011 at 7:40 am |
  15. phlatus

    I think there are some more important things carnivores must know. Like health risks or something. I'm just saying, the article didn't live up to the headline.

    May 26, 2011 at 3:14 am |
    • Keith

      I don't understand you guys, Did the headline say "all inclusive article about meat? No it said, "five things every carnivore must know"

      July 4, 2014 at 1:48 pm |
  16. Panties

    I eat all the meat my husband gives me.

    May 26, 2011 at 3:07 am |
    • Spanky

      I want to sniff your pantiez.

      May 26, 2011 at 7:56 am |
    • Keith

      bless you, you are a fine woman and a patriot

      July 4, 2014 at 1:49 pm |
  17. hope you choke on your next mouthful, slob

    Years, decades, maybe centuries from now, people will have evolved ethically and will look back with disgust on how we treated animals in the 21st century. Kinda like the way we now look back on social acceptance of slavery in the 1800s and earlier.

    May 26, 2011 at 3:04 am |
    • nwhanes

      I don't think we will. It's been thousands of years and we're still eating the animals that God put on this earth to give us nourishment. Of course eat fruits and veggies too. It only makes sense. But animal protein is just not an option.

      May 26, 2011 at 4:22 am |
    • Jeff

      Oh, look at the evil lions, eating that poor gazelle. Why don't they go graze on daisies the way Mother Nature designed them?

      May 26, 2011 at 7:12 am |
    • Spanky

      What a ridiculous analogy. Did you make it past 6th grade?

      May 26, 2011 at 7:14 am |
    • Clevon Little

      Stand back, While I whip it out!!

      May 26, 2011 at 7:18 am |
      • Crowd@Clevon Little


        May 26, 2011 at 7:49 am |
    • Keith

      You must be a 12 year old girl that just realized we kill animals to eat.

      July 4, 2014 at 1:52 pm |
  18. df

    Go ahead...get fat and die! Thanks for the advice Josh. Everything in moderation.

    May 26, 2011 at 2:19 am |
  19. MS

    Humans aren't carnivores. We are omnivores

    May 26, 2011 at 2:03 am |
    • Mark

      No Humans are herbivors. Study biology more carefully.

      May 26, 2011 at 5:24 am |
      • Biology?

        Once again, Mark, you are 100% correct!

        No humans are herbivores. We are omnivores.

        May 26, 2011 at 7:50 am |
  20. Mark

    The best advice of all: eating animal products WILL almost certainly lead to your early death with heart disease, cancer or other disease. Eating animal products murders animals and causes them an entire life of suffering for ABSOLUTELY NO good reason whatsoever. Eating animal products destroys the environment. Everyone please GO VEGAN for your health, for the animals, and for The Earth!!

    May 26, 2011 at 1:50 am |
    • Kill all the animals

      Mark, explain to me why you probably take a B12 supplement? Because your body needs it and it's only found in meat.

      May 26, 2011 at 2:21 am |
      • Mark

        Looks like you read a vitamin book and stopped reading it after you read the dust flap. Get your head out of the clouds and study more than your kindergarten teacher taught you. B12 is found in plants. Now prove me wrong.

        May 26, 2011 at 5:26 am |
    • leonid7

      Eating animals does not destroy the environment. Irresponsible farming practices do. And science would indicate that no, eating meat in and of itself will not kill you, and no evolution did not produce functioning vegans. perhaps a little less hyperbole and more science next time.

      May 26, 2011 at 2:41 am |
      • SeauxGood

        Very well stated. Humans are meant to eat a BALANCED diet. Probably not as much meat as the guy featured in this article, but not a strict vegan diet either. In reference to the absurd assertion that eating meat harms the environment, it brings to mind the old adage, "Guns don't kill people, PEOPLE kill people." If eating animals alone caused environmental ruin, the hundreds of other species who eat a strictly carnivorous diet would have finished this planet off a long time ago. There are both responsible and irresponsible ways to raise livestock for human consumption.

        May 26, 2011 at 3:42 am |
      • Mark

        Ok explain this math to us then. Up to 20KG of grain produces 1KG of meat, not to mention the thousands of liters of water the animal wastes. Get off the new math you just invented and get back to facts.

        May 26, 2011 at 5:28 am |
        • Keith

          What we do in America has nothing to do with how animals were raised and eaten in the past. "Vegetarian", old Indian word for "bad hunter"

          July 4, 2014 at 1:54 pm |
      • Mark

        I guess a balanced diet in your mind is one in which contains foods which cause cancer and heart disease, etc., namely animal products, which is FACT. Name me ONE plant food that causes disease. Oooops too slow.

        May 26, 2011 at 5:31 am |
      • Lrn2Rd


        Name a plant food that causes disease in humans?

        Miracle Grow.

        May 26, 2011 at 7:10 am |
      • The Witty One@Mark

        Hydrangea can kill you.

        May 26, 2011 at 3:57 pm |
      • Plantscanharm

        Soy is an excellent example of a plant food which when eaten as more than an occasional condiment (which would be the traditional Asian way) can wreak havoc on the body. Even if we pass over all the other issues with soy, the well-established association with thyroid disease and the association with the development of birth defects such as hypospadias in infant boys should give one pause. Vegans typically eat soy in excess.
        Another good example: high gluten products such as wheat flour and seitan. Gluten when eaten in excess by anyone (vegan, vegetarian or normal*) can cause damage to the intestinal mucosa and eventually the intestine itself. Once foreign matter starts leaking into the body from the gut even in tiny amounts, the body is set up to develop autoimmune disease.

        I could go on, but I won't. Vegans like to live in a Jiminy Cricket sort of a world where disease is preventable simply by avoiding meat and animal products. This is so far from true as to be laughable. Vegans have the same cancer rates as non vegans. They have greater incidence of autoimmune disease. Among vegan children we see stunted growth and developmental defects. Almost universal among vegans: pernicious anemia or B12 deficiency (there is no non-animal source of B12 which is easily obtainable and bioavailable.)

        Or...if you still think plants can't be bad for you I would be happy to whip up a nice salad of hemlock and poison ivy for you.

        (*"normal" here in this context means "of the norm.")

        May 26, 2011 at 8:03 pm |
    • Raven

      Tell that to my husband's grandmother, who is a good age f 98, and still going strong. Oh, and she eats meat. Always had. AND drinks beer. Eating meat does NOT mean unhealthy.

      May 26, 2011 at 4:25 am |
      • Mark

        I can assure you that if she was a vegan she statistically would live years longer than she would as a meat eater.

        May 26, 2011 at 5:29 am |
        • Keith

          Statistics do not lie, but liars use statistics.

          July 4, 2014 at 1:56 pm |
      • Spanky@Mark

        Entirely laughable! Oh, watch out for that bus!

        May 26, 2011 at 7:37 am |
      • dnfromge

        My grandmother is going to be 99 this year – lived on a farm, at meat, eggs, dairy all her life. Drank a small glass of wine with meals and did not smoke. She's quite healthy and active for her age, no heart disease, no cancer, nothing – despite consuming meat all of her life. Mark – it's all about balance and moderation in what you eat combined with exercise and activity.

        May 26, 2011 at 12:59 pm |
    • girlie

      @Mark, re: Meat is EEEVIL!: Yawn.

      May 26, 2011 at 7:33 am |
    • Sid Caesar@mark

      What kind of noise does a dog with a harelip make?


      May 26, 2011 at 7:38 am |
      • The Witty One@Sid


        May 26, 2011 at 4:06 pm |
    • Kill all the Animals

      @ Mark please list the readily available plants that contain B12? Feel free to site your sources........if you can.

      May 26, 2011 at 6:53 pm |
    • Jugger

      If you WILL certainly die young from this, please explain George Burns. Ate red meat every day, smoked cigars every day, and drank hard liquer every day....for over 80 years. He lived to be over 100.

      May 27, 2011 at 8:46 am |
    • Keith

      I have to take exception. I'm a part of the food chain just like everything else, though I'm happy to be at the top. In a couple of days I'll kill and butcher one of my hogs, process, wrap, and freeze most of it. About the only think I don't keep is the squeel. I'm looking forward to having brains with my scrambled eggs for breakfast, my kids love the cheek in a stew, and after the kids clean out the intestines we will spend a whole day making sausage. Many people in my area do the same thing. We often get together to help each other butcher cows, that's a bit bigger job. But after processing there is very little left of any animal carcass to dispose of. Just how I was raised.

      June 26, 2013 at 6:47 pm |
  21. JJ

    actually Joe it's not that hard, most good chefs don't use thermometers to cook a steak correctly. We "touch" a piece of meat. Simply said...we press on the meat with our fingers as it's cooking. The softer the rarer. As meat cooks it becomes harder. Experiment and you will have perfect stuff every time.

    May 26, 2011 at 1:44 am |
  22. Joe

    Very good tips, but rather hard to implement for the average backyard grill kinda guy.

    May 26, 2011 at 1:36 am |
  23. JJ

    I beg to differ on one point. 25 years in the business qualifies me to make this argument. There is no such thing as "very rare" There is black and blue, yes. Rare is a cold red center, med rare is a warm red center, med is a hot pink center...Period. Anything beyond that is a waste of time and energy and not worth the animals life. People will say "that's how I like it" and that's fine, your still an idiot.

    May 26, 2011 at 1:36 am |
    • Jack

      Stab it, slab it, slap it, and serve it!

      May 26, 2011 at 1:52 am |
    • Raven

      Run the cow in front of a heat lamp and put it on my plate! :)

      May 26, 2011 at 4:26 am |
  24. There are no gods!

    This post is so full of superstitious nonsense that it would better be posted in the Belief Blahg. Way to go there nut case, you wrote a pointless opinionated piece of garbage. Great Job!

    May 26, 2011 at 1:27 am |
  25. vegetarians rule

    Why is it that people who write about eating meat for al iiving are all FAT and UGLY like you Josh. Maybe it's because you
    eat animals that suffered and died for your girth.

    Reading this is enough to make me sick.

    May 26, 2011 at 1:26 am |
    • Jack

      And who made you read it? As soon as I saw the title, I knew some freakin' self-righteous vegan or vegetarian was going to pop up and feel we MUST have your opinion on the subject. You enjoy those fava beans...I'm gonna eat a steak with all the fat...and love it!

      May 26, 2011 at 1:50 am |
    • Raven

      120lbs does not = fat, thank you very much. i eat meat, in fact, even if I did not love the taste of a good piece of cow, I would still need to eat it. Why? Ever since I was little, I have had a B12 deficiency, which means I MUST eat meat to be healthy. Supplements are not enough for me, and neither is a plate of vegetables.

      I'll stick to having a nice hunk of beef on my plate, thank you very much.

      May 26, 2011 at 4:22 am |
    • abbyful

      Wow, I wasn't aware I was fat, unhealthy, and ugly. In fact, at my health check last week, they told me I was underweight and should gain a few pounds. Everything else they checked (cholesterol, triglycerides, blood pressure, blood sugar, etc) I was in the "very good" and "excellent" categories. And for the ugly part, I consider myself to be above-average in that department and know many who would agree.

      Why don't you look up meat eaters like Mark Sisson & Sarah Fragoso and see how fat & ugly they are.

      May 26, 2011 at 3:26 pm |
    • Mirror

      I looked at you and I got sick. Your Mamma slapped the Dr. when you were born.

      May 26, 2011 at 3:31 pm |
    • MalaDee@vr

      The only ugly thing in this thread is your attitude.

      May 26, 2011 at 3:40 pm |
    • Keith

      you should have saved your self the pain, it was your choice

      July 4, 2014 at 1:58 pm |
  26. Lawanda

    I think all everyone should have to kill and slice up their eats at least once. Ever work in a slaughterhouse or toured one? Ever check out a lamb kill? Just awesome.

    May 26, 2011 at 1:05 am |
  27. Paul DeMotte

    When you buy car insurance, a bad driving history raises your rates so other taxpayers or policyholders don't subsidize your behaving badly. Too bad life and medical insurance rates don't more accurately reflect the bad choices of meat eaters. The rest of us are paying dearly for their choices.

    May 26, 2011 at 1:02 am |
    • nwhanes

      People eat meat Paul. Get over it.

      May 26, 2011 at 4:14 am |
      • Mark

        Nope don't need it and NEVER did. You just WANT it. Learn the difference.

        May 26, 2011 at 5:35 am |
      • Sinister Sister@mark

        nwhanes said, "People eat meat ...." not, "I eat meat" or "you need to eat meat" or anything of that nature.

        He/She stated a fact; you jumped to a conclusion. Calm down and have some nice, thinly sliced vegan on your salad in the stfu café.

        May 26, 2011 at 7:31 am |
    • Raven

      Just because we eat meat, does not mean we are unhealthy. I am a healthy 120lbs, and love a good BBQ'd steak or a good prime rib. Meat does not = fat unhealthy people who drain society's money.

      May 26, 2011 at 4:20 am |
      • Mark

        Just to tip you off, cancer and heart disease start YEARS before any symptoms show up. The food your eating is slowly destroying your body. Study up on it.

        May 26, 2011 at 5:36 am |
      • Jess

        Our cavemen ancestors had terrible heart disease from huntin all those mammoths and saber toothed tigers, eh?

        May 26, 2011 at 7:14 am |
      • Just Eat Healthy


        Are you trying to say that vegitarians and vegans don't get cancer? I hope not, because you'd be wrong.

        Studies HAVE shown a lower incidence of cancer among vegitarians, but all of these studies have a gaping flaw: they compare AVERAGE diets to vegitarian ones.

        Thus, since vegitarians are far more likely to be careful with what they eat than the average person, you would expect a lower incidence of cancer just from that fact. A causal relationship has been much harder to demonstrate when those who eat a balanced diet including meat were compared with strict vegitarians.

        tl;dr: No studies have conclusively shown that going strict vegitarian is better cancer-wise than a BALANCED diet including meat.

        May 26, 2011 at 7:22 am |
    • benny

      All of the vegetarians I know that follow these "healty" vegetarian diets all get sick probably 3 times more than they did before they quit eating meat and they all look unhealthy. This one girl I know had to go back to eating meat because her doctor told her that even though she was following all the guidelines of the vegetarian diet and eating everything she was supposed to her body was basically falling apart and she wasn't getting along very well. Went back to eating meat and a few months later she is fine as ever.

      May 26, 2011 at 7:34 am |
    • Fletch

      @Mark, thank you for commenting and telling everyone how horrible our lifestyle choices and preferences are. The world would be a better place if there were more like you to tell us all how wrong we are. As a 185lb male with 13% body fat who works out 6 days a week and eats meat as well as vegetables in reasonable portions and healthfully cooked, I don't know what I'd do without your sage advice.

      May 26, 2011 at 7:39 am |
    • abbyful

      Actually, grain & sugar are far more to blame for the health of the USA than meat is.

      Meat (wild game meat or grass-fed livestock) is good for you; corn-fed beef isn't as ideal (much fattier, and significantly lower in Omega-3s).

      The "bad meat" is processed meats with lots of additives, like lunch meat, hotdogs, etc..

      May 26, 2011 at 3:56 pm |
  28. pt

    After reading this article I am just hungry and want a ribeye steak.

    May 26, 2011 at 1:00 am |
  29. lee

    ugg, fat on steak is just plain nasty, and makes it worthless.

    May 26, 2011 at 12:50 am |
    • peter

      huh??? ur a troll right?

      May 26, 2011 at 1:19 am |
  30. chef cal

    bbq is low and slow grilling is quick, it does not involve gas grills though...

    May 26, 2011 at 12:47 am |
  31. mickey1313

    you are talking about the media, there are no professionals

    May 26, 2011 at 12:47 am |
  32. Robert

    It would be really great to read an article written by professionals, edited by professionals, proofread by professionals, and posted by professionals, without spelling and/or grammatical mistakes.

    May 26, 2011 at 12:45 am |
    • LaSqueesha@Robert

      If you want all that,Mad magazine is still being published.

      May 26, 2011 at 5:49 am |
    • The Smart Aleck@Robert

      So tell me ....... what's the address of that perfect world you see in your head. I'd like to visit there some time.

      May 26, 2011 at 7:23 am |
    • WayToGo

      This is an article about food. I'd rather my chef get a culinary degree as opposed to an English degree....but that's just me.

      May 26, 2011 at 7:18 pm |
  33. hawaiiduude

    BBQ means low and slow, preferably with a chunk of Hawaiian guava or kiawe wood...

    May 26, 2011 at 12:33 am |
  34. Matt

    Your first and most important point is simply wrong. While many beefy flavors are fat soluble, other are not. Different elements of meat have different flavors, and together, they contribute to "beefy" taste. A simple question: If fat is flavor, why does beef stock–which has no fat–taste so beefy?

    May 26, 2011 at 12:25 am |
    • mickey1313

      useally because of concertrate, and LOT AND LOTS OF SALT.

      May 26, 2011 at 12:46 am |
  35. Alex

    http://www.forksoverknives.com enough said

    May 26, 2011 at 12:09 am |
    • mik

      Alex, I agree with you this is an excellent film, and this is the audience for it! I am sure it will strike the perfect note! Thanks for the reminder!

      May 26, 2011 at 11:21 am |
    • abbyful

      Haven't watched it yet, but I've checked out their website. I was interested in it when I first heard of it, but I quickly realized it's just vegan propaganda.

      May 26, 2011 at 3:47 pm |
  36. daniel ragona

    Yes, fat is great... but you are part of the cause of expensive health care. Have you checked your cholesterol lately! YOu are like kids... it taste good, so we have to eat it as fat as we can. I hope health insurance is directly proportional to your diet choices, so then I don't have a problem, you eat fat, you pay your cost.

    May 26, 2011 at 12:05 am |
    • RabiaDiluvio

      Fat in the meat doesn't raise LDL cholesterol–it is the bread, the potato on the side and the sugar for dessert. This is why people who eat low carb tend to have lower LDL and higher HDL.

      But keep believing what you want, I guess.

      May 26, 2011 at 12:38 am |
      • Bob

        Amen to that! People blindly follow the "Because you eat fat you get fat, and because you eat cholesterol you get high cholesterol" logic. On the surface it makes sense but it just isn't true. It's all the "healthy" whole grain carbohydrates that the body of a mammal turns directly into sugar that causes high cholesterol. The exact same grains that they feed to livestock to fatten them up for market. Heck, cows get fat off of a grass diet.

        May 26, 2011 at 12:54 am |
      • Huh?

        Look I love meat, but don't try to argue that non-cholesterol causes cholesterol. Cholesterol is ONLY sourced from animal products. It is the only source. Did I mention the only source?

        Complex carbohydrates, sugers – simple and complex, wheat, grains, leafy vegetables... whatever you put on the side – have no contribution to cholesterol other than the ability to lower it in some cases.

        May 26, 2011 at 1:04 am |
      • Tree

        @ Huh?

        try reading a book sometime instead of blindly following the heard of cattle that you are referencing.

        May 26, 2011 at 2:16 am |
      • leonid7

        Whole grain carbs, because of their fiber content, do help lower LDL. Only high GI carbs exascerbate high cholesterol. and diets high in saturated fat do indeed raise LDL.

        May 26, 2011 at 2:33 am |
      • kanon

        "Huh?", a fitting name seeing as you have NO idea what you are talking about.

        May 26, 2011 at 4:27 am |
      • RabiaDiluvio

        @leonid This is true only of a few "whole grains" and not whole grains in general that they have a small effect of lowering cholesterol. The first example I can think of is ground flaxseed meal. Oat bran sure, but not as much. The problem is people don't stop at the whole grains, they mix them with sugars and "white" grains.
        @huh? The hormone in your body that signals to your liver to make more cholesterol is insulin. People with chronically elevated insulin levels or even hyperinsulinemia tend to have higher LDL levels to boot. Modifying the diet such that insulin levels are not constantly spiking is what will bring down those LDL numbers. Adding exercise is the main thing that will boost the HDL.

        May 26, 2011 at 6:53 am |
      • Kay

        For your information, there is not cholesterol in plant products, so sorry to tell you, but it is the meat that raises your LDL levels, as well as dairy and any other animal based products.

        May 26, 2011 at 7:28 am |
      • RabiaDiluvio

        @ Kay Most of the cholesterol in your body is manufactured in your own liver. Eating things that have cholesterol does not have a huge impact on your cholesterol. The thing that signals to your liver to increase cholesterol production is chronically elevated insulin. Insulin becomes elevated to deal with higher blood sugar. If you ate nothing but eggs morning noon & night for a month, your LDL cholesterol would go down rather than up. (Not that I recommend that–veggies are important, but the point is that it isn't eating the cholesterol that is bad.) Everything your mama taught you about how cholesterol jumps right from the meat and into your arteries is WRONG.

        May 26, 2011 at 9:04 am |
    • mickey1313

      natural fat is not unhealth, it is the transfats and the sedatary lifestyle fatting up the us.

      May 26, 2011 at 12:45 am |
      • RabiaDiluvio


        May 26, 2011 at 6:56 am |
    • ComeOnMan9

      Lemme tell you are secret, you gotta die from something. Meat is good and tasty and when you are a BBQ goddess like myself, f$ck HDL,VLDL,CHOLESTEROL, and triglyceride too. My HDL is 90 but my black a$$ could die in a tornado, car accident, or from a jealous lover and hopefully with meat juices still on my lips.

      May 26, 2011 at 2:43 am |
      • GaryO

        Depending on whose "meat juice" you have on your lips, you may end up dying from a jealous lover!

        May 26, 2011 at 6:36 am |
      • Keith

        My kind of girl there, enjoy your life

        July 4, 2014 at 2:05 pm |
  37. ned ludd

    You are sorry the are no FEDERAL guidelines for rare vs. med-rare? The same big-ag owned goons who say there is NO difference between GMO and traditionally grown foods? Almost all the meat we eat in this country is crap. Both for the animal denied its true nature and then the human who eats a incomplete and unhealthy food. the fed's are busting farmers for selling raw milk to informed adults while letting Monsanto get away with crime after crime. Why are we all sick? You ARE what you eat!

    May 26, 2011 at 12:00 am |
    • mickey1313

      monsanto is the most evil company int he world

      May 26, 2011 at 12:44 am |
    • Niku

      Saying humans are not made to eat meat is like saying they are not made to have sex or hunt (or enjoy wine, beer or any other libation one might enjoy).

      May 26, 2011 at 7:52 am |
      • MalaDee@Niku

        I'm good with that.

        May 26, 2011 at 7:58 am |
      • MalaDee@Niku

        Grrr, mis-read it. Got all caught up in WANTING to do all those things....'cuz I am an evolved human being.

        May 26, 2011 at 8:05 am |
  38. Paul

    The *one* thing that a carnivore should know is where meat comes from:

    May 25, 2011 at 11:56 pm |
    • abbyful

      I'm not saying facotry farms are all ran in great conditions...

      But the "Meet Your Meat" video is pure PETA propaganda. They find the worst of the worst and portray it as the norm.

      If you're concerned about the treatment of animals where you buy meat from; buy from local independent farmers and ranchers.

      May 26, 2011 at 4:06 pm |
    • Keith

      Paul, you can come to my farm, none of those things happen

      July 4, 2014 at 2:02 pm |
  39. cadbury cc

    His bowel movements must be epic.

    May 25, 2011 at 11:51 pm |
  40. Sirtony68

    Actually, barbecuing is cooking meat with indirect heat (meat on one side of the grill, charcoal or whatever heat source on the other) for a lengthy period of time (you barbecue ribs, you barbecue a pork shoulder, etc...) and grilling is cooking on the grill with direct heat (right over the charcoals you grill a steak, hamburgers, etc.).

    May 25, 2011 at 11:44 pm |
  41. Mark in TX

    Meat would be best Seasoned with Heaven Made Products at HeavenMadeProducts(dot)com we LOVE our BBQ. Meat is at the top of our list!

    May 25, 2011 at 11:41 pm |
  42. Mare0568

    It's about time someone wrote this. This is the FACT. Steak is my absolute FAVORITE food and I LOVE the fat on my steak. It makes the steak BETTER. I like my steak rare - usually very rare - but will eat it up to medium rare. I don't care who likes it or who thinks its gross or whatever. Mind your own business and you eat it YOUR way and leave all the rest of us alone.

    May 25, 2011 at 11:26 pm |
    • fawk

      If you don't care about how others eat theirs why bother sharing how you like yours? Shut up.

      May 26, 2011 at 2:16 am |
  43. Mike in SA

    Good eats indeed...yum

    May 25, 2011 at 11:17 pm |
  44. James76er

    The #1 thing a carnivore should know is that most meat is not meat at all - it's Shmeat. - Read the top article on NoShmeat (dot com, of course), and choose wisely.

    May 25, 2011 at 11:14 pm |
  45. An avowed carnivore

    Good article. He knows his stuff.

    May 25, 2011 at 11:14 pm |
    • I want da gold!

      So, self-proclaimed carnivore, you only eat meat? No veggies, no starches, just meat? I find that hard to believe.

      What I do believe is that you are, in fact, an omnivore but you think you sound cool referring to yourself as a carnivore.

      May 26, 2011 at 10:12 am |
      • Jacob@I want da gold!

        He's one of those sparkly #$&*$#ing vampires, too.

        May 26, 2011 at 12:18 pm |
  46. skippy

    FAT! The FAT is the FLAVOR! I've eaten it all my life. Nothing better on a piece of meat than the FAT! Prime Rib fat is the BEST! I've eaten it all my life and I'm not obese, do not have heart disease (yet) and have good physical health.
    A child at a dinner table once said " If we're not supposed to eat Animals, why are they made out of MEAT?"

    May 25, 2011 at 11:14 pm |
    • Epidi

      I agree. It's funny how something our ancestors treasured in thier diet is now taboo. If one is physically active enough, eating fat shouldn't be a problem.

      May 26, 2011 at 3:48 am |
    • scott

      (insert the sound of Skippy flopping over dead on his keyboard here; maybe some choking thrashing sounds)

      May 26, 2011 at 4:57 am |
  47. Tony

    "medium' is pink like Paris Hilton's purse, and hot in the middle."

    pursed lips?

    May 25, 2011 at 11:07 pm |
    • blanketjackson

      it would never happen for you perv!

      May 26, 2011 at 12:11 am |
  48. Frank S

    There's really only one thing we care about:

    1) Meat is delicious.

    May 25, 2011 at 10:59 pm |
  49. jyee

    "I'm not saying to start cooking up the heart and spleen at home."

    Why not? The more it's encouraged, the more people will do it and the less we'll see such parts being wasted (or worse, ground back into cattle feed and fed to the same animals it came from... BSE anyone?).

    May 25, 2011 at 6:35 pm |
    • Hakiu

      Actually because of BSE (Mad cow for the rest of us) is the reason that Offal (internal organs) which used to be a big ingredient in meat and bone meal was banned by the USDA as a feed for animals. Now they can still (I believe) use some of the less than eatable meat that can't go into hamburger and hot dogs in bone meal, but the organs are out.

      May 25, 2011 at 11:09 pm |
    • mickey1313

      then where would we get the stuff for hotdogs?

      May 26, 2011 at 12:41 am |
      • Epidi

        My grandaddy always said they came from the lips & a$$ holes.

        May 26, 2011 at 3:46 am |
    • geckopelli

      Organ meats are dangerously full of cholesterol as a general rule (not to mention fat).
      So encouraging people to eat them is probably not a good idea.

      May 26, 2011 at 1:56 am |
      • Maggi

        They may be high in cholesterol and fat, but someone who eats a little bit of beef liver once a week is not worse than someone who eats freaking McDonald's. Ever.

        May 26, 2011 at 4:10 am |
      • RR1White

        Eating foods high in cholesterol does not directly raise your cholesterol. Your body produces it's own cholesterol. It is affected by diet, but not so directly that you should avoid anything with cholesterol in it. To control cholesterol, eat a balanced diet (which could include SOME organ meat) and exercise.

        May 26, 2011 at 5:32 am |
      • abbyful

        Dietary cholesterol doesn't equal blood cholesterol. In fact, in recent years we have discovered that blood cholesterol isn't the cause of problems, it's the repair team; just like a firefighter being at a fire doens't mean they started the fire, they are working to put it out.

        Dietary fat also doesn't equal body fat. Fat is required for life, without fat you would die.

        Organ meats tend to have very high nutritional value. In most countries, organ meats are valued. You wouldn't want to eat huge quantities (for example, liver has very high Vitamin A, and too much Vitamin A can actually cause toxicity in the human body), but they are healthy in appropriate quantities.

        May 26, 2011 at 3:11 pm |
      • Keith

        Your brain needs fat to function, low fat diets are bad for your brain.

        July 4, 2014 at 2:09 pm |
  50. The Witty One

    Josh must be a fan of mine since he wrote me a whole paragrah!

    "To wit: 'Barbecued meats, such as product labeled 'Beef Barbecue' or 'Barbecued Pork,' ...etc"

    I am totally going and I will be "Meat Elite"!! :)

    May 25, 2011 at 5:09 pm |
    • Nancy

      And this was witty how?

      May 26, 2011 at 7:03 am |
      • Spanky

        About as witty as the vag rash in your mouth.

        May 26, 2011 at 7:05 am |
      • LaSqueesha

        You must be Blonde.

        May 26, 2011 at 7:11 am |
      • Spanky

        No, she's not blonde, just plain old fashioned stooopid.

        May 26, 2011 at 7:13 am |
      • erich2112x

        We ran our as$es off from the animals for 2 million years. It's our Time now. Pass the A-1.

        May 26, 2011 at 12:39 pm |
    • TSA@TWO

      Don't pay them any mind, 2. They wouldn't know Wit if it bit 'em on the azz.

      As it happens, I talked to Josh last nite and he IS a huge fan of yours. GoodONya! KUTWF (keep up the witty fun)!

      May 26, 2011 at 7:17 am |
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