 Producers of the competitive culinary TV show Top Chef Canada galloped headlong into an internet outcry after news spread about an upcoming episode's focus on horse meat as an ingredient. In the challenge, scheduled to air on May 16th on Food Network Canada, contestants were required to cook traditional French dishes, including both foie gras (also a controversially-obtained food) and horse. Protesters took to the show's Facebook page after promos for the episode aired, flooding the comments with mentions of Top Chef boycotts, links to anti-horse meat websites and advice on how to contact the show's advertisers. A specifically targeted Facebook group called "Boycott Top Chef – Protect the Horses" was swiftly established as a central location to share resources including educational material and contact information for the show's advertisers and the network's executives. Horse meat is a staple in the cuisine of countries such as France, Belgium, Switzerland, Japan, China and parts of Canada, and is praised for its leanness and sweetness. In the United States, activists have argued that wild mustangs, which are seen by some as an invasive species, would be a cheap, viable source of food for the hungry. Protesters, however, argue that not only is eating horse meat a moral taboo on par with the consumption of dogs and cats - it's also insufficiently regulated in Canada. The equipment used to slaughter the animals is designed for cows, rather than horses, which, they argue, renders the process inhumane. Additionally, the horses are often former pets or racers and may have at some point consumed drugs that are not approved for human use. While horse meat is not an especially predominant ingredient in Canadian cuisine, and the majority of the meat processed in the country is exported internationally, it can be found for sale in supermarkets and at butcher shops. An Eatocracy poll from earlier this year indicates that a substantial potion of the population expects to see a shift in perception toward horse meat consumption in the United States.
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uhm.......... by the time the add airs the horses are already dead. go home and thing about important issues like the fact that religion is contrieved, tv (maybe even top chef) is making you an idiot and central banks are destroying your buying power.
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whoever thinks meat is meat ohhh so are you.
I couldn't reply to you directly (Christine A. Jubic aka MuleKist) so here it is. I don't give a rats ass what the humane society says. I don't believe a word of their crap they spew out because they do nothing to actually help anyone but themselves. Good day.
No only is it cruel but most people do not know what has been given to the horses. Some of the medications can cause cancer. Wormers, lasix, sedatives and ultiple meds are given to horses and it states clearly that humans should not eat the meat if a horse is treated with these medications.
The public does not know this.
I really wouldn't have a problem with horses as a food if they were raised with the same management, safeguards, and required record keeping–from birth to slaughter–that apply to all animals raised for food. But this isn't done, so you have animals treated with all kinds of pharmaceuticals that would never be allowed in any other animal intended for food consumption.. should they enter the food chain? Is the meat safe? No. They are transported to slaughter in inhumane and unsafe conditions. The US was so far ahead of Canada in banning types of inhumane transport. The equipment used in slaughtering horses were developed for use in cattle. Cattle have short necks that don't move. So the bolt that hits them in the head to kill them works. Horses see it coming and try to evade, often resulting in a lot of injury. If the objective is to "feed the poor", there are a lot better ways to do it than emphasizing meat production of any kind. But I don't see how this applies to a show about upscale cooking. I will remember the sponsors of this program and make it a point not to buy their products.
What people fail to see or undersand about US in America as concerns the slaughtering of our American equines and what it is about them that we think "makes them so special," from other animals,.... besides being an important part of our cultural and historical tradition and heritage, and symbolic of all good character traits we propose to have or strive to have for ourselves; ....freedom, strength, intelligence, courage, independance, etc., But what LEGALLY makes them so special is the fact that horsemeat is not on the USDA's "officially approved list" of food-chain animals and since slaughter is a horror reserved for food-chain animals only,.....American Equines, at least, should be protected from it, anytime and anywhere. Sad but true, since we closed the last horse slaughter house down a couple of years ago, America is STILL the WORLDS #1 Exporter of Horses for human consumption abroad. It is the organized equine industry pushing to keep the horse slaughter pipeline going, giving them a fast and easy way to dispose of those that are no longer profitable for them to keep. Having the option to sell horses to slaughter enables them to continue in their overbreeding – all this despite the fact theat there are several viable workable solutions but the Equine Industrialists (The PuppyMillers of the Equine World) Dont even what to hear about them or discuss them seriously. Such is the way of powerful "ruling classes" that dont really want to change their world at all, unless it would further benefit their business (and not necessairily their horses) Most arent in it for the love of the horse so much, but for the thrill of the race and love of the money it might make them, particulalry if they are lucky enough to get a champ....but even Champs are sold to slaughter: Remember FERDINAND remember Excellor ...End the Slaughter of All American Equines and Let the Foreigners Eat their Own if they want , but leave our American Equines in the Stables and OFF of Dinnertables ! Use REAL Euthansia if you really have to put a horse down,....SLAUGHTER is not and should never be confused with REAL euthansia...anyone who tells you slaughter is humane you can pretty much just figger they are either (a) Just lying to US straight out to stick to and bolster their lie, or, (b) they are true idiots who have never compared the two and dont know what they are talking about. Dont believe they hype of the liars and idiots.......seek the truth for yourself. Theres LOTS of info out there : Google "Horse slaughter" and see. Educate your selves and then you can form your own intelligent opinions and make better informed decisions on what is really going on with this issue . Hopefully,after careful study you will come down on the side of the majority of Americans, horse owners or lovers or breeders or not) Who are appalled at the notion of eating horsemeat and want the WHOLE WORLD to stop eatng ousr. This will never happen until the Industrialist get their breeding under control and stop sending their unwanted ones to Kill-markerts.It is a problem they have created and are HAPPY with cause they dont see it as a problem at all,..but as a more economical way of running that business by exploiting their "equine atheletes" to their last dying day, selling them to slaughter so the last drop of the blood can be dripped out of their upside down body while hung on a hook by one leg usually still alive, still kicking and bleeding, throat cut – dying body. Not Humane. Not Euthansia, but bloody cruel NEEDLESS UNNECESSARY slaughter.
Thank you Christine. The breeders are indeed at fault. As are the makers of products such as Premarin, where mares are bred for their urine while gestating, and the foals are "thrown" away at birth so the mares can be rebred for more PMU (Pregnant Mare Urine) production. This is pharmaceutical factory farming. Factory farming is a terrible life for all animals.
Yes you are right,...not too forget the Equine Industries "Other Dirty Little Secrets" such as the killing of newborn baby nurse-mare foals; http://www.thepetitionsite.com/21/stop-the-killing-of-newborn-baby-horses/ Used mostly by the racing industry so the new-mom racing horse can be "bred back" quickley and returned to the track for more racing,. while the poor unwanted baby born to the nurse mare is is an unwanted by-product and is discared so that the "better born" racing foal may nurish itself on the collustrum rich first mothers milk so it, instead of the mommas real baby, can be nurished. The unwanted babies are usually taken out to the back of the barn and clubbed in the head or left to starve and then sold off to the renderers so that thier hides can be made into hi-fashion Gucci bags and shoes and stuff....Another American Disgrace
Horse meat may be on the menu in the countries mentioned, but certainly not in the US or Canada. Big mistake.!
Horse meat is definitely NOT "a staple" in France or Switzerland~I have lived in both countries. The disinformation needs to stop. It's deplorable that The Food Network doesn't do their own research. One must only wonder if they were spoon fed the story idea by the ugly food slaughter lobby.
I refuse to eat a vegan or vegetarian diet. WILL NOT DO IT. And if I want to eat horsemeat then by-golly I'm going to eat horsemeat. In France some horses are bred for human consumption. That means that they don't receive the drugs that US and Canadian horses sometimes get in their systems. They are also humanely put down if they are going to be used for human consumption. I don't work for Top Chef, so I can't say for sure, but more than likely their meat for this episode was imported from France, seeing as it is a French Cuisine.
Please share your sources so we can verify your claim of "humane" horse slaughter and share the French breeders who breed horses for human consumption. Thank you very much.
To answer you, here's one company:
VIANDE RICHELIEU MEAT INC. was established in1986; our company specializes in the breeding and processing of buffalo, horse, ostrich and beef. Year after year, we have acquired a solid reputation on the International markets because of our great concern for quality and for meeting our customers' needs. Our products meet the Canadian, European, (UE) Japanese and Swiss standards.
In regards to others saying that it is not traditional French cuisine: http://www.haras-nationaux.fr/uploads/tx_vm19docsbase/DIP_ECO_03_HORSEMEAT_01.pdf
AA GOT your Richelu Report, and it aint good; http://www.humanesociety.org/assets/pdfs/legislation/richelieu_2007.pdf
Come on people. Have we learned nothing? There is no room for cruelty in our relationships to each other or to different species. It is called evolution, and some of us are further advanced than others. Those who wish to believe in other philosophical structures are free to do so whether or not they believe in evolution. It is not an either/or concept, and whatever someone needs to believe to help them deal with life, so be it. But cruelty, in any form, is abhorrent.
Teaching a child not to step on a caterpillar is as valuable to the child as it is to the caterpillar. ~Bradley Millar
Non-violence leads to the highest ethics, which is the goal of all evolution. Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still savages. ~Thomas A. Edison
You have not "evolved" into a herbivore. You are an omnivore. All humans are. (Unless you are LESS evolved, because all humans species in the current h0m0 genus have been omnivores. The only herbivore human species were ancestors to modern humans.)
I'm not in favor of cruelty, no sane person should be. Animals killed for food should be killed as quickly and painlessly as possible.
I'm with you jlwilson...it's always surprising (and disgusting) how horribly these meat people behave when this issue comes up...so threatened they are by a very small percentage of people evolving away from the slaughter culture, towards what humanity really should be: civilized and loving, respectful of all life. Hopefully we all really will reap what we've sown here.
Some of you appear to have ignored what are the most significant and real concerns are:
Domestic horses in North America are contaminated by a variety of chemicals that are toxic to humans. These chemicals are used routinely in fly sprays, insect repellants, deworming medicines, some shampoos, topical wound treatments, and anti-inflammatory such as bute. Therefore, horse meat is dangerous to human health. Horse meat has not been used as dog food since the 1980's because horse meat is dangerous to dogs as well.
Because horses are contaminated with toxic chemicals, the disposal of their remains in a manner that does not release toxins into the environment. The slaughter of 100's of horses every day produces gallons of tainted blood that must be disposed of. The presense of a slaughter house in a community presents a number of environmentally challenging issues.
In addition to the environmental dangers, there are social and economic issues as well. First of all, no one wants to have a slaughter plant in or near their homes. The scent of blood permeates the air. Second, of all the many career paths one can take, one of the most reviled is the man who picks up horses after they have spent their lives working for humans, and what happens when the horse's working days are behind him? Who shows up? The knocker picks up the old, faithful servant is unknowingly going to his merciless death (re: Orwell, Animal Farm, Boxer).
Exactly Christie! I'm not sure why this point is being ignored. This is *the* issue that people should be discussing!
Yes pull the episode!!! We have a serious situation on our hands and we have been working our hearts out to save these animals already undergoing tremendous cruelty as they are destroying the last of our wild horses in the US just annialating them! We do not need more greedy cattlemen getting a market for these beautiful Highly intelligent animals contrary to the idiot that said that animals cannot communicate. I think that if we stiuck duct tape over his moth and stuck him with something shart maybe if he can't communicate in our words we shouldn't stop then right??? Never the less It is true it is also not worth loosing sponsors and these are our babies we are protecting, if you think we would not come after the show and bring it to the public and etc well... that would just be silly!!! We will in a heartbeat! So please pull this episode, we don't want to have to do this it is already hard enough on these beautiful animals you don't know the hands of the people that would skin them alive that you would be putting their lives and end to their lives and never seeing the sun or feeling kindness again. We know we witness and deal with ths scum!
I think it is disgusting how Canadians kill horses – also seals. I wouldn't ever go to Canada, eat anything in Canada – or have anything to do with Canada. And, I would encourage everyone I know to do the same to avoid your cruel country.
Trust me we feel the same about Americans! Take a look at your own cruelty before you point a finger at another countries.
You LOVE war, and send your children off to die. Your factory farms are some of the worst in the world.......glad your are not hopping the border any time soon, we don't need you up here.
I dont support anyone calling names or pointing fingers. You are dead right we American's have a bunch of junk that needs to be fixed. This is one such problem – our horses being shipped cross borders to be abused into death then eaten. So we have to stand up and make it ugly for our horses to be treated this way. We are heard here and in your neck of woods. Sorry you felt attacked. Its about cruelty not about countries. If Canada's TOP CHEF had not opened up this can of worms maybe Canada would not be under the fire. We in the US want to stop our horses being shipped across borders. That would take Canada out of the picture. So Canada PLEASE Stand up! Stand beside us,, not against us, we beside you! If I had my way none of our children would go to WAR.
We love war? Not. We play world cop because your parasitic country won't do its part. We don't have a draft, so we do not send our people off to war; they are very brave souls who put their lives on the line in order to defend the very important concept of freedom. I am 25% Canadian and not proud of it. Why don't you step up and do more to help ensure freedom for others? We are tired of doing the job that other countries benefit from (but do not want to help with the work of getting those benefits). Why don't you stop cruel practices such as horse and baby seal slaughter? Slaughter is cruel. Transport to slaughter is miserable. Killing baby seals in uncivilized. You can stop feeling superior now.
This all has to do with culture and personal beliefs. I grew up with horses and cats and dogs etc. (one of those freaky animal loving kids) so I would prefer that these animals not be on my menu... or anyone else's. I think this is all about how we relate to animals. In India they won't eat cow because it's holy, I personally have spent time around cows and not once have made a connection with one; whereas, I have experienced and interacted with my animal's personalities and I think that relationship is what makes me and many others so disgusted by the thought of someone eating one of our furry family members. But everyone has different beliefs so I don't think it is possible to decide who is right and who is wrong (except cannibalism...which is wrong, sorry, but I give that one a big 'no thank you').
It has been scientifically proven that meat has been and can be a part of our diet and that we evolved to then discover other means of consumption, for example using fire to cook the food and later on, agriculture, which gave us dairy products. Our bodies evolved to accept that as a nutritious part of our diet.... I actually think the argument is that, if anything, we are supposed to eat raw food but obviously with all the germs around this place, I'll take my chicken cooked. Obviously eating too much whatever will give you some issues in the lower regions but as long as someone is healthy both mentally and physically through their diet then why hassle with them. I really only see a problem with people who knowingly live an unhealthy lifestyle and cause harm to their bodies out of pure laziness and stupidity (I'm not trying to offend all overweight people because I understand from personal experience how many other factors cause weight gain). I personally eat meat and even though I know it makes me a hypocrite, I also believe in animal rights. I could never pick up a weapon and kill something unless my survival was severely at risk and if I ever witnessed an animal being abused, I would definitely intervene. I try to stay away from situations where animals have been treated poorly (slow, painful or spiteful deaths) but alas, I understand this cannot be totally avoided. I would agree with some of the previous posters and say that our country (I don't want to speak for anyone else) is, in fact, way too geared around processed and fast food. It is expensive and time consuming to keep up a healthy diet (as far as organic veggies and meat go) and unfortunately many families don't have the luxury of a big enough pay check or enough time to cook a healthier meal. I think someone above mentioned that less people were buying meat products and thats because American is turning to veganism and I would have to respectfully disagree and say this is because (like I mentioned above) meat is one of those foods that takes effort to cook and we live in an age where want things fast fast faster and easy as possible.... I hate to diss the human population but this does seem to be true.
You probably believe in "animal WELFARE", not "animal rights".
Animal welfare = treat animals humanely and provide proper care for them, co-exist with animals, if animals are killed for food it should be as quickly and painlessly as possible
Animal rights = extinction of domestic animals (no livestock or no pets), zero human/non-human-animal interaction
I'm a chef, i've seen FOOD INC. and i still eat meat, i have no problems with either horse meat or foie gras, I've had them both and they taste freaking awesome. To each his own, if you have a problem with eating meat thats fine, but I could really care less about where Top Chef got their meat from.
You are one Chef who never see my money... and based on your attitude maybe we should boycott you. I'm a meat eater too, but I DO care where my meat comes from.
Maybe you need stop typing and actually READ what i wrote, i said i don't care where "TOP CHEF" got their meat from, its a tv show that pushed the envelope by using this meat in an episode to get "RATINGS", Gordon Ramsay used horse meat in an episode of his "F Word" television series and there wasn't anywhere near theat much talk about it. Would you like to know why????? Because he could give a shit about the ratings, he cooks because he loves food. As a chef in the food service industry i have standards just like every chef does. Believe it or not there are actually top meat purveyors in the country who get top quality meat (including horse) from reputable and recognized places, boycott all you want, it still won't change the fact that your an Illiterate, ignorant and judgemental moron.
So you have no problem supporting this type of cruelty? (do page through all 900 pages of the FOIA) http://www.animalsangels.org/the-issues/horse-slaughter/foia-requests.html
And I'm pretty sure your patrons would have a problem with you serving them carcinogenic horse.
Do your research and i mean actual research, you know talk to ranchers, meat suppliers etc before you believe what someone put on the internet, i bet you looked up most of your info from wikipedia too.
It's not about the way they taste, you short-sighted jerk, it's about the cruelty they endure so that you can have your cheap thrill.
http://hsus.typepad.com/wayne/2011/05/canada-horse-meat.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+typepad%2Fhsus%2Fwayne+%28Wayne+Pacelle%3A+A+Humane+Nation%29&utm_content=Yahoo!+Mail
You have posted some real eye opening articles, and I applaud you for that. Hopefully we can all work together to make life easier for all farm and domestic animals who can't speak up for themselves.
Imagine if the whole world really DID go vegan.
What would the militant vegans have to complain or lecture about then?
Vegans, be happy there are still meat-eaters in this world!
They would probably complain about how small their genitals and brains are.
Poor fool, ridicule and demonize what you cannot attain, that's how a lowlife makes itself feel better.
Well now after looking at this strand I have to say this is the most childish behavior that I have seen in awhile coming from the opposers of a vegan lifestyle which wasn't the issue at all. By the way I am very healthy I am on facebook. You can see my picture Nikki schoessow. I use to eat meat alot and med rare or rare. I have since learned to live healthier and not put other living beings through this suffering. By the way to all of theidiots that think they know everything about vegans, you need to supliment your diets as well meat eaters and not every vegan had to do that they know how to cook! Vegans would not be upset not to have anything to have to complain about be upset about if the whole world was a more compassionate place. This is work not fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Yes you are all really a waste of time to acknoledge but I do so for my Animal Rights and health concerned brothers and sisters here. The rest of you, not worth our time nor will you stop us with your predjudice and vilence pschologically or physically. We will not be moved where right and wrong are concerned. I wonder how in shape you all are. I would bet not very. Show us your six packs. Not the ripples in your hind quarters either. Peace Out.
If you read all the comments, then you will see the equally childish and downright nasty comments from "some" of the vegans...not all of them as not all the meat eaters comments have been cruel, etc. If you choose to not eat meat, good for you, but some of the vegans here claim meat eaters will all get diabetes, heart disease, die an early death, etc. which of course is not true either. I think everyone can agree that there needs to be less cruelty to animals. Peace to you too.
Enjoy your toxic horsemeat. Yummy. I hope you eat a TON of it. I'll be laughing during your CHEMO treatments....if you get THAT far. JOKE is on YOU buddy.
Please. Do us all a favor and chow down on some horsemeat. Please allow me the fun of laughing at your Chemo Therapy session. (sarcamsm? no not really)
This is just crazy all of us can get protines,and nutriants from other sources other then meat if you must eat meat there is fish,chicken why does it have to be horse,cow,or pig ?????? eat beans,cornbread,peanutbutter,rice,veggies and fruit to get your daily allowance of what your body needs !!!!!!! your body will be heathy and your mind will be sharp !!!
Well, if our minds will be as sharp as yours and we will spell as well as you do, then let us all join the vegan bandwagon!
GROSS! This show disgusts me and its just gotten worse. No animal should ever be tortured or slaughtered! HORSE MEAT? Are you kidding me? That is disgusting and inhumane. I can't even believe some of the horrible abuses going on here. SAY NO TO TOP CHEF! SAY YES TO COMPASSION FOR ALL OF EARTHS CREATURES!
I think this is absolutely disgusting. How could you kill an animal for ratings...this is a living breathing creature...this is horrible and should not be allowed...not now not ever! Apalling!
The horses aren't killed for ratings, imbecile. They're killed to be cooked on a TV show, then eaten. Slow down and chews your words.
All needless animal slaughter by people is wrong, and horses are especially bonded to us, having been our slaves, transportation, companions, and so on, just all-around beautiful souls they are. They could easily kill people, but they are so gentle with us. The coldhearted fools who participate in this horse slaughter for tv ratings will pay the price. There's a price for every brutal thing we do...as human beings we will reap what we've sown. When you know vegans are thriving out here, and you have access to fruits, veggies, nuts, seeds, grains, and beans, etc., you know there is no need to be slaughtering animals to eat. Time to evolve for the better people.
Eating horse meat is disgusting. The horse like the dog has a historical, social and emotional bond to humans. For a TV programme to consider this as a meat to use on air is disgraceful.
I do not support veganism or vegetarianism but rather than looking to sustain practices of over-eating of meat to instead eat more good quality meat from open-air bred and raised animals and less per week.
As for horses, we need to stop breeding so many and control numbers because unlike in the EU where there are controls over what can go to slaughter putting some of these horses in the food chain in Canada and the USA is irresponsible and possibly dangerous.
Eating any red meat is sickening
http://www.horsetalk.co.nz/news/2009/05/097.shtml This arti8cle is a couple years old, but still good educational material.
http://www.hsi.org/world/canada/news/releases/2011/05/Top_Chef_horse_meat_051211_1.html
We need to shut our USA boarders down to the 100k domestic horses that our made homeless by the overbreeders of amercia. Make our USA OVERBRED HORSES USAS PROBLEM Make the overbreeders pay for every horses they make homeless in USA. We have to fight to stop the horse race industry who are one of many that our guilty of the throw away disposable horse society. Give the horses your voice to change the overbreeders of AMERICA now. STOP USA FROM REOPEINING HORSE SLAUGHTER IN USA IN 2012 to possibly slaugher the 54k wild mustangs and burros that our being warehoused at a tune of 72million. to make room for the big gold rush in north east nevada, is this what velma johntstone signed up for when she fought to put the annie act of 1971 in place to protect the wild horses. go to savingamericashorses.org to get involved and get educated about what is happening to our horses. IF OTHER COUNTRIES WANT TO EAT HORSES LET IT BE THERE OWN HORSES. STOP USA FROM SUPPLING THESE HORSES TO OTHER COUNTRIES
Meat is meat, what does it matter if it is Horse, Rabbit, Pig, Cat or Dog, its's all edible flesh's, it's all obtained cruely. Chickens are the most miss-treated food animal, but is there a facebook page boycotting chickens on top chef? I am a vegan and for me all farmed meat is cruel, so I don't eat it. But this getting on the band wagon stuff is stupid, either don't eat any meat of any animal, or shut up and let people eat what they want. You can't pick and choose based on it's like ability factor.
Canadian Vegan,
What are your reasons for being a vegan? Many people have different reasons, so I will not assume to know yours.
A: The inherent cruelty is the reason I am opposed to horse slaughter for human consumption. Horses are treated as 'slaughter commodity' from the time they are purchased as 'meat on the hoof' at auction - and often before auction. Example: owners are not penalized for starving their horses, showing up with horses so sick they can hardly stand, horses so drugged that they can't tell day from night, anything that might cause a horse to sell - to anyone - is good.The auction help uses any method they need to keep horses in line - hitting horses in the face, kicking them, poking them with sticks to avoid a downed horse. Jabbing the downed horse. Shoot - I am out of letter space ...
I am a vegan because I have seen what ALL food animals endure when being raised for food. II stopped eating meat 12 years ago when I saw a farmer beat a pig with an iron rod and then saw its legs off while it was still alive, screaming. What you described happens to all food animals, and actually it is a lot worse. A video just came out of calves being killed with pick axes in Texas, did this make an uproar like this horse story, no, because veal is considered okay to eat. What I am trying to get at is why do most people who eat meat, pick and choose what they eat based on what they consider a pet. Why should one animal endure horrific cruelty, but be okay for an other to deal with because we are supposed to eat those ones. It doesn't make sense. That is what I am tring to get at.
Canadian Vegan, if you saw what you claim you saw, you should have reported it. That is not acceptable. And the vast majority of farmers would agree; that is not how the vast majority of farmers raise their animals.
Agreed! No animal should have to endure that kind of cruelty! I also work toward that end! I know the calf video did create a huge outcry. It was horrific. It is because of these types of videos and the internet that these cruelties are being exposed. This is exposing the cruelty of horse slaughter for human consumption - something that most people don't even know goes on.
http://www.kaufmanzoning.net/ get educated if you are horse eating advocate.
Thank you Susan!
I will add this one ... Top Chef, this is the cruelty you are advocating: http://www.animalsangels.org/the-issues/horse-slaughter/foia-requests.html
Painfully Graphic!!! Anyone still hungry?
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150182684866949&set=o.182296598489582&type=1&theater
The photo is of a horse with its eyes bashed in, a notorious practice to reduce fighting while being hauled to slaughter. If you cant view this you have no right to eat horse meat!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/Tom_Durfee/top-chef-canada-horse-meat_n_861595_88518080.html
http://www.abc4.com/content/news/top_stories/story/Western-states-Canada-warned-of-fatal-horse-virus/VnEcaXMds0i67T840jsJFA.cspx Canada take heed.. We're in this together!
Wow! I could never imagine eating horse meat. To me that's like raising animals as pets only to eat them. I find that extremely cruel! Becoming a vegetarian is where I'm headed..
“If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow men.”—Francis of Assisi
“Not to hurt our humble brethren is our first duty to them, but to stop there is not enough. We have a higher mission—to be of service to them wherever they require it.”—Francis of Assisi
“Animals are God’s creatures. He surrounds them with his providential care. By their mere existence they bless him and give him glory. Thus men owe them kindness. We should recall the gentleness with which saints like St. Francis of Assisi or St. Philip Neri treated animals.”—Catechism of the Catholic Church
“Animals are God's creatures, not human property, nor utilities, nor resources, nor commodities, but precious beings in God's sight…Christians whose eyes are fixed on the awfulness of crucifixion are in a special position to understand the awfulness of innocent suffering. The Cross of Christ is God's absolute identification with the weak, the powerless, and the vulnerable, but most of all with unprotected, undefended, innocent suffering.”— Reverend Andrew Linzey
“Animals have done us no harm and they have no power of resistance.…There is something so very dreadful…in tormenting those who have never harmed us, who cannot defend themselves, who are utterly in our power.”—Cardinal John Henry Newman
“Animals, as part of God’s creation, have rights which must be respected. It behooves us always to be sensitive to their needs and to the reality of their pain.”—Dr. Donald Coggan, former Archbishop of Canterbury
"When a human dies there is a bridge they must cross to enter into Heaven. At the head of that bridge waits every animal that human encountered during their lifetime. The animals, based on what they know of this person, decide which humans may cross the bridge and which are turned away."
"In my day I watch the destruction of the buffalo and the antelope, We say their destruction was due to a benighted profligate generation, If we permit the MUSTANG to disappear we may be accused of the same qualities and we will deserve the accusation, The MUSTANG is as AMERICAN as George Washington and AMERICA is a vast enough land and IMPORTANT enough Nation to have A HORSE of our very own, HE IS FACING HIS LAST STAND, TO LET HIM GO WOULD IN MY OPINION BE A MAJOR AMERICAN NATIONAL TRAGEDY" – Frank T. Hopkins...1949
Two things have always surprised me: animal intelligence and the bestiality of men!
The real beast has 2 legs, not 4 hooves or paws!!
Slaughter is NOT humane euthanasia. "The captive bolt is not a proper instrument for the slaughter of equids, these animals regain consciousness 30 seconds after being struck, they are fully aware they are being vivisected." -Dr. Lester Friedlander, DVM & Former Chief USDA Inspector
"Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything." – Genesis 9:3
Whether you believe in God or just nature, animals eating other animals is a part of that.
Livestock should be kept in humane conditions. And when we kill animals for food, we should do so as quickly and painlessly as possible. But eating meat isn't "bad", "sinful", "immoral", etc. It's nature.
Good point Elisabeth – certainly for some of these people who posted here. For myself I prefer the company of animals over most humans and I am not a PETA member.
First off if you checked the NO option, please note that most horses who are slaughtered have bute in their system. If you do not know what bute is, then you shouldn't be eating horse meat at all. Make sure that what ever you consume you have at least an idea on not just how it is slaughtered, but what drugs/vaccines go into that animals system that effects the animal. There is a really good reason why dogs here in the U.S are not fed Equine Meat. Also know that especially in the U.S and Mexico horse slaughter is not regulated properly and even here in the U.S there are alot of illegal horse slaughter plants. If you consume equine meat you are risking your health greatly. Please educate yourself on how poorly horses are kept and slaughtered. Please educate yourself on how dangerous it is to consume equine meat especially from American soil. Also some mustangs who go to slaughter have PVP in them and no studies have shown it does not effect the equine meat.
Thank you for your post Jedi44!
In fact there are no tests for about 90% of currently legal horse medications because they are not used in food-producing animals. Maybe CA and US would like to implement the costly passport system for EVERY horse to document their medication history, whether going to slaughter or not, like the EU has done since since 2004 ...
Saying that horse meat is available in supermarkets in Canada is like saying alligator and rattlesnake meat are widely available in American supermarkets. I've lived in both Quebec & Western Canada, and have never seen it.
one of these days the 'anonymity' of posting on a blog like this will go away...i wonder then how vociferously you vegans will defend your veggies...and the proposed evilness of eating meat. that said, horses were meant to be ridden, not eaten.
May I remind everyone that in the Bible that God told us what animals we could eat and could not eat. We could eat the cloven hoofed animals except pigs and hogs and we were not supposed to eat single hoofed animals such as horses and donkeys. We have turned so far away from our values and from the Bible and God that we will "eat" what we want because "it tastes good." We do what we want because "it feels good." We go after our fellow man or woman, "just because of Greed, jealousy or just because we want to." Horses are very sentient beings. I should know because of two things, 1. the first time I really realized it was when one of my foals was born and I was holding him in my lap "imprinting" him and I had just given him his shots and he literally cried out to his mother and had tears streaming down from his eyes. It was the most touching moment I had ever seen. I cradled him in my arms and stroked his neck and then helped him to his feet to return him to his mother. 2. The second time was when I had to put down one of my stallions that had coliced. He was laying on the floor of his stall with his head in my lap looking up at me. He had had a look of fight still in his eyes but now it was different. He looked up at me with a look of "help me in his eyes and he was crying." The tears were streaming down his face! So I told him, "It's OK now, you can go on. You don't have to fight any more." With that, he had a peace in his eye, and an ease in his body. In a short time later, he passed without having the vet give him drugs to help pass away. So all of you "Naysayers" and "Boobs" out there who say that "horses are livestock and they have NO FEELINGS, you are oh so very wrong!!!" We don't EAT our Horses!!!
Anyone who has raised cattle can say the same thing about cow. Moooove over and let me get a bite of that horse steak.
I agree, I would never eat horse, but there are some cultures who do, because it's one of the only things available to them. I'm fine with that, if there are no choices, you do what you have to.
These threads always turn into sane people who will argue for or against the real issue, and the vegans who are all trolls in my opinion. They come in with the "holier than thou" mentality, and won't listen to logic. It's like trying to hold a conversation with a tired toddler – you aren't going to get anywhere.
I think you are wrong. What cultures have horsemeat one of the few choices as a viable meat? Never heard of one. People have eaten it when they were starving (like during WWII) and that is a desperate measure, and, when the dire food shortage stopped, so did the horsemeat consumption. It is not a "traditional" meat in France (just ask someone French!) and consumption of horsemeat was down 12% last year. Many horsemeat eaters are ignorant of facts and posting untruths. Not helpful.
Do you eat rabbit, frog, catfish, lobster, crab, shrimp, clams, oysters, or mussels? Eating those are "against the Bible" too.
I agree with Tracie. Even if you don't believe in the Bible (I do), many of the dietary rules followed by the Hebrew people kept them among the healthiest people of their time. I also belive God had his reasons for saying we could eat the cloven hoofed animals except pigs and hogs and we were not supposed to eat single hoofed animals such as horses and donkeys. I am not a vegetarian, but having done my own slaughtering (chickens, ducks, turkeys, sheep, goats) has helped me to be conscious of the sacrifice of a living being, how much meat I consume, and the environmental cost of that meat. I do eat eggs, fish and consume dairy products. In terms of health I believe that fruits, vegetables and grains should be the bulk of a healthy diet.
Additionally, there are better sources of vegetarian sources (Moringa oleifera trees) that provide protein, calcium, all of the essential amino acids, which are the building blocks of proteins. It is very rare for a vegetable to contain all of these amino acids. And Moringa contains these amino acids in a good proportion, so that they are very useful to our bodies. These leaves could be a great boon to people who do not get protein from meat. It is noteworthy that Moringa contains argenine and histidine, which are especially important for infants who are unable to make enough protein for their growth requirements. Experts tell us that 30% of children in sub-Saharan Africa are protein deficient, and many children in developed countries, also. Moringa could be an extremely valuable food source without the concerns of contaminated meat. Moringa also contains the following vitamins: Vitamin A, Vitamin B1,Chromium, Manganese, Potassium, Iron, Protein, Vitamin C, Copper, Vitamin B2, B3, Zinc, and Magnesium. All of this is available to us without slaughter of animals. For those intersted in finding out more about this outstanding food source: http://www.treesforlife.org/documents/moringa/presentation/Moringa%20Presentation%20%28Genera%29%20print.pdf
I am personally opposed to the overbreeding of horses, and treating them like a disposable commodity. I support spaying, neutering, and purposely not breeding of animals to avoid the issue of having to kill them as an answer to irresponsilble breeder practices and pet ownership. I am opposed to the cruelty involved with the meat industry, and to the slaughter of horses. The difference that comes to my mind is that horses have been bred, and trained for thousands of years to be responsive to people, and to work in a one-to-one relationship that has benefited man. I believe the horse has earned the right to be treated as a partner, and not as an untrained meat animal. I am also opposed to the selling of our Living Legend Mustangs as food.
Save the planet, kill yourself.
"... I could go on and on..."
and so you did.
I have to ask, here we are again with Canada torturing some creature. Is there any creature that lives there safe from you guys? Now you want to show just how cruel and evil you are on TV. The idea that anyone would eat a living, breathing creature makes me want to throw up. They are just like us, they feel pain, they suffer when their babies die, and I could go on and on. So why is it that we don't eat human flesh? I mean man eats just about everything that walks or crawls on this earth, so why not human flesh. I mean we have overpopulated this earth, and we are the ones killing the earth, so with there being so many of us, let's eat each other. Leave the poor, innocent creatures alone. Then the earth would be a better place! At least others wouldn't have to suffer at our hands. We are the only ones that everything on this earth lives in fear of...what a great honor!
Stop the killing!
Don't eat meat then. Leave the yummy bits to us. You go right on eating your vegan diet. I don't care.
Oh yeah, don't come crying when the deer eat all your veggies from your garden because they are too many of them, and starving to death. Just remember, you are causing them great pain and suffering. Any animal would want to starve to death rather than a fast, relatively painless death.
I just love your logic. TROLL
Yeah, it's those evil Canadians who make the French eat horses. Wow. Try that again maybe.
How about you look at your own country before you shoot your mouth off about Canada. At least our children are safe, we don't ship them off to war like you do. Buy the way, how long has that been, and NO end in sight!
Why doh't u frigging meat eaters eat rats or better yet, each other? Humans are mere, lowly, cruel animals.
Shut chur piehole.
And why don't you vegans drop off the face of the earth so we can have more room to raise our meat?
You are a human, too, genius
What do you call Lexi when she has "the runs?" A salad shooter! BA HAHAHA HA!!!
I hate to be brutal, but because eating meat is what people do. Keep talking like that and someone will feed you a rat, raw and still struggling. I am totally behind not eating anything you find revolting or repulsive. Heck, I once knew someone who would eat BOILED OKRA. But when you start telling people what to eat, you are way out on thin ice, tap-dancing away.
Hallelujah !!! The World is Saved. Folk I can tell you the world will NOT end on Saturday!!
(Louie, load the horses and start the conveyor belt. I know there are a lot to load, get moving, we have 1,000 of them to sacrifice)
Thanks for playing folks. Everyone of you should be proud of yourselves – you helped save the world. Not something you do every day now is it?
Is it 4:00 yet?
What kind of meat do priests eat?
Nun
While I personally wouldn't eat horse – I had one as a pet, so it is a personal issue for me, I don't condemn it either. Go to a high end restaurant and you may see Ostrich. We don't think anything of it anymore, but what about those cultures who raise and ride the birds for transportation? Same difference.
can't we all just get along?
Depends. Can I eat my lunch in peace?
Of course! But save yourself from choking & a bad case of indigestion and eat your lunch in pieces, too.
This thread could use more humor and less belly achin'
Perhaps. But some people find the issue of torture and slaughter, uhm... not humorous.
Your opinion matters – only to you.
LOL clearly it mattered enough to you to reply.
If you think animal cruelty is funny – then I feel sorry for you.
Maybe you should go on you tube - and view of video on how Canadians kill horses. You may not be laughing so hard.
Any horse on the menu in the united states or Canada is unacceptable. And, to do this on television is a disgrace. I will NEVER again watch your food network show anywhere, which supports this and, will recommend that others do not watch as well. I may even contact sponsors of these shows.
Let me guess, you are a liberal. One who knows all about what is best for the rest of the human population, right?
Come on Susan we all know that's not true, you can't just stop watching the food network shows. Susan, Susan, Susan. Be honest with yourself, you know that's just not the case. Cold turkey, I think not. Susan, Susan, Susan...
There are some people who think that to eat beef is unacceptable. But does that stop you from eating a hamburger (if you're not a vegetarian/vegan)?
What's next??? Dogs and cats???!!!
Nope, babies and something called a "kitten kabob" are next on the list.
Mmmmm kitten kabob....Also helps the overpopulation problem!
Puppies are tasty, too... They taste like chicken.
Only the Mexican Hairless kitties though. Otherwise you have to skin and dr-fur them. Don't like the hair-balls I get otherwise.
Depending on where you are... yes.
Save me, eat more puppy pancakes....
This is a sad attempt at shock factor. Ratings must be in the toilet. I used to be a fan, but count me out.
Sad attempt? Really. Did you miss the weight of the comments that are ....... oh, I get it ...... they're over your head.
Unfortunately, animals have always eaten each other and always will. That includes us. I'm oppose slaughtering horses because of the excessive cruelty that doesn't even come close to adhering to the Humane Slaughter Act. You may feel no slaughter is "humane," but if you ever visit both a cattle slaughter plant and a horse slaughter plant you will see an incredible difference in the pain and suffering of the animals. Is cattle slaughter always as humane as it can and should be? NO. But horse slaughter cannot be made to come even close because of the prey-animal nature of the horse.
And, if you cannot understand the difference in the possible contaminants in closely regulated cattle and unregulated horses you need to educate yourself. Eating our horse meat is a serious health threat to the people in the horse eating countries and most haven't even been warned about it. To me, this is completely unacceptable, and I'll wager they will think so too when they finally find out what has been in this so-called healthy food.
Fools! Don't you know that you can add me to any argument to get the desired result.
Example 1) Poster1: "I like to eat meat." Poster2: "Oh yeah? Some people like to eat other people!" PWNED.
Example 2) Poster1: "You should eat only vegetables." Poster2: "Oh yeah? Some vegetarian became vegetarians after eating PEOPLE!" PWNED.
Example 3) Poster1: "I like the color green." Poster2: "Oh yeah? You know who else like green? CANNIBALS!" PWNED.
Example 4) Poster1: "I think..." Poster2: "Shut up! You know what? Cannibals. Cannibals. Cannibals times infinity! I win!"
See? One simple statement that makes no sense and does not relate in any way to the conversation can win any argument. Try it yourself! And just remember me, your favorite winning argument, or my brother, the Nazi defense. You don't agree with me? You know who else didn't agree with me? Nazis. Together, we're unstoppable.
What about the damn French?!?!?! They are always starting something and never finishing it. They are the ones to blame for all of this madness, they started eating horse, and then some of them moved to Canada (and obviously kept eating horse). Lets boycott the French. Hell, lets EAT the French!!!!!
Wait, that's not what I meant by French Cuisine.
Although, if it's wrapped in bacon and left to roast all night, you might have something.
Damn. That was supposed to be a copy/reply.
Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah (insert inane and off-topic argument here) Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah (protest vociferously about eating pets) Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah (what's next, eating humans?! Oh the humanity!) Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah (Horses are so smart!)Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah (have you slaughtered your own meat?!?!!?!?? Well I don't eat meat anymore) Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah ....
Utterly amazing the things people say and justify. Let me provide some educational material to further the debate. American horses are not raised as a food source, consequently they are given all sorts of vaccines and chemicals (anti-biotics, anti-inflammatories, steriods, wormers, and other medications (including chemotherapy) as well as herbal remedies and performance enhancing supplements/feeds, many of which are considered unsafe or toxic for consumption). How do I know this? I've owned, bred, raised, trained and competed in a variety of equine events for over thirty years. Things we have given to horses at the advice of veterinarians have later been determined unsafe for the horses. Still want to eat them? The current standards for horse slaughter are that the owner must certify that he has given the animal no banned substances. Kill buyers purchase at auction, then drive the animals directly to the slaughterhouse neither knowing nor caring what occurred prior to them taking possession. Most if not all of the animals currently shipping to Canada and Mexico (legislation stopped horse slaughter in the U.S. sometime ago) are from the U.S. and were pets or competitve mounts. While I can't speak for other countries I personally would be concerned about eating horse meat not raised for that sole purpose.
And on another note, in some places in this world people eat each other does that make it okay?
Anyone know what gay horses eat?
HaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAYYYYYYYYY!!
Sounds more like Fonzie than Flip.
Fonzy was not gay. Think gay Geraldine, think gay. Now close your eyes and listen for a big gay horse to sashay in and say Heeeyyy! to everyone. Did you get it, can you picture it. Jheeezzzzhhh, do we have to explain everything for you!. I think the doctors are here for you next lobotomy treatment. Right this way Geraldine, right this way.
Interesting that you know so much about what gay people say and so little about Geraldine. Her famous line was, "The devil made me do it." Get your facts straight as you cruise on your way in to your shock therapy treatment, Flip.
And Fonzie wasn't gay, but he wore leather very well.
Com' on now Geraldine, you and Killer need to relax on ole Flip, ors else he'sa gona' roll in his grave!
Horses should never be eaten. Might as well be eating people as far as I'm concerned.
All those mares kept pregnant to produce urine to make Premarin – what to do with the poor old dears when they are no longer useful? and the un-needed foals.... Yes, I'm joking. This is abhorrent. I ate some horse meat once at a friend's home in Belgium, by accident. I became vegetarian to avoid any such errors again.
Recently in Paris and did a trip to the local market with a chef from Le Cordon Bleu. There was only one vendor at the market selling horse meat and the chef indicated that is not frequently sold or served in Paris and other cities any longer. However, he indicated that rural regions of the country may serve more of it. While it is a totally cultural thing, it is definitely not part of my culture. Any more than eating insects or internal organs are part of my culture.
Thank you for your comment! I appreciate hearing from someone on the 'inside'.
Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah (insert inane and off-topic argument here) Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah (protest vociferously about eating pets) Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah (what's next, eating humans?! Oh the humanity!) Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah (Horses are so smart!)Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah (have you slaughtered your own meat?!?!!?!?? Well I don't eat meat anymore) Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah ....
God, its good to have you back!!!!
After seeing what happens in a slaughter house(that was about 40 years ago)well before the utter brutality of factory farms, I stopped eating any meat. So much for you, Yuri
I have to admit that each time I read this headline, I'm reading, Top Chef gets the Trots.
Here I thought I was the idiot as I keep reading it as "chef trots into tattoo territory."
As long as they are not tattoos of the trots.
I keep seeing "chef trolls into tattoo territory."
Now that would be an interesting post. Trolling for tats. LOL.
I like the game trolling for tats...show me yours and I'll show you mine. Don't reach for the whip, no, no, no, come on you can do it, just leave it over there.
I really don't understand how television will promote this and allow it to be shown on television but PETA gets their commercials pulled. Really though? People are absolutely barbaric.
Have you traveled much?
If so you will know that people in other countries sometimes eat way differently than we do. Not all the world think vaariety means going to Applebee's.
You don't understand the difference? Really?
PITA, I mean PETA, is an in-your-face organization, that uses naked female (supposed) vegans to promote their policies with zero tolerance for the rights of others to make their own choices. Frequently, said promotions don't meet the FCC regs for broadcasting and they get pulled.
This article is about whether or not a Canadian TV network should pull an episode of a show, broadcasting the subject of cooking horse. It's not a show about killing the horses, just cooking the meat. If you never heard about what they were cooking, you might have watched the show and guessed that it's beef or lamb and not given it a second thought.
As it has been posted, if you don't want to watch, change the channel.
@Gordon Gecko – sorry i made you so angry, was not my intent. Honestly, I just REALLY love horses, their natures and beauty – just want to help them. Small businesses can also provide services/things we need – I support them as much as possible and buy as little as possible. Just trying to get thru life is all ... like so many others. But, I had to comment on what I know happens cause I/we experienced it personally – advocating for cleaner air, water, more mercy for horses, whatever CAN take it's toll ....
No problem Beth and between you and I, (yes, people, I know this is a public blog) I'm an advocate for small business and eating from local farms/suppliers, etc.
To be fair nearly all if not all meat sources other than Organic, have been inoculated, wormed, or have had access to antibiotics. However the difference is that Horses are wormed with a poison of choice every four months, and in many cases eat a wormer poison every day as a feed ration. They are vaccinated twice a year, have other toxic material used on their bodies sometimes daily that absorb into their skin. Now on top of all of that there is a horses Herpes epidemic going on in many states... anyone want to eat that horse flesh? Its about making smart choices for your self and your families.
I've had those horse herpes before and like they are No fun at all.
We are talking about a horse disease here. http://hoofprints.typepad.com/myhoofprints_kindle/2011/05/fatal-horse-herpes-outbreak-4-colorado-counties-involved-other-western-states.html
Oh my that epidemic is back again. Guess I have some smart choices to make, but I don't remeber all my partners contact info. Any have the number for the Circle Q Ranch and Stables? This is going to be one tough phone call to make.
Really? Because the phrase "horses herpes epidemic" made me think we were talk about bovine chlamydia. Thanks for clearing up the confusion!
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Horses are for loving, not eating!
I am really surprised on the outrage about horse meat. Horse meat is a delicacy and most horses that are eaten have had a much better life than animals bred for food. What people should be angry about is the usage of foie grass, as it is exploiting a liver decease, caused by human abuse.
To all of you vegetarians out there, I will make you a deal. I will switch to a vegetarian (or even vegan) diet AND take up your political, animal rights causes, if you will join me in the Pro Life camp on the abortion issue. Deal? You stick up for unborn humans and I'll stick up for horses etc. (No, this is not sarcasm.)
Oh Brook, that was rich, I didn't see that coming. We are definitely going to save the world now. I foresee hitting the 1,000 comment mark withing the hour.
B.. B... But... IT'S NOT THE SAME THING. A WOMAN SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE. IT'S HER BODY.
AND HORSES ARE CUTE.
How about those (women, girls) who dont want babies learn to keep their legs closed and (men/boys ) keep yer pricks in yer pants,...go without or use some birth control,...but use some kind of control, or abortion is your "fast & easy" slaughter option. Kiling of anykind is wrong, man, child (unborn or not) or animals. For the religious,.....read Jesus Christs Gospels of the Holy Twelve" to learn the truth. These holy scriptures were intentionally banned from all religious boooks where the people eat meet cause it prohibits the killing of animals for sacrifice or for eating....It says God didnt create animals for man to kill but to "take care of." and he dosent want "your bloody sacrifices that defile me." And they expouse peaceful world where we are to do good works and cause no harm. Check it out.
We also have some exciting plans for next season, including shows featuring the consumption of koalas, puppies, kittens and toddlers. Please plan to join us!
*whispers*
You forgot to mention the segment on consumption of whales & seals.
Ty laura...once again if someone doesn't agree with your point of view, no matter what the reason, they are stupid. A wise man once said, "It is better to keep one's mouth shut and be thought a fool, then to open it and remove all doubt". An adage that maybe you should adhere to.
Confucius say horse sense comes from stable thinking, but he who makes hay without regard to consequences, will end up in a pile of manure.
I don't think yu are stupid, I think you just either want to be controversial or maybe you just like cruelty
There have been (and still are in small pockets), cultures in which humans were killed and eaten. Would you promote the eating of humans as a viable food source? After all, we're animals too and most cannibals would tell you that our flesh is very tasty. If you agree that all flesh should be a viable food source, are you prepared to offer yourself up as
someone's dinner?
Soylent Green is Good for You. Please try some today.
for all you people who voted that the episode should be aired because its part of a traditional dish...youre an idiot. sure fine it was a traditional dish but the way these animals are treated and slaughtered is disgusting and if you think youd be okay with eating someones pet cat or dog then youre messed up. theres manmy "traditions" that people no longer practise because the cruelty is no longer necessary to survive. all this over a delicacy? really? top chef is pissing me off. theres plenty of other dishes you could make to show off the french culture. whoever voted infavour of the dish is either uneducated or obviously cant put themselves in other peoples/ beings shoes. horses are noble creatures who have served us so much that if it werent for them we prolly wouldnt even have cities or televisions. its just not right.do you decide to save money when your dog gets old and give it to someone whos guna make him suffer, brutally butcher and then eat him? or do you take him to the vet euthanise him with family around petting him and crying and saying good bye to something that gave soo much unconditional love and was an amazing part of your life and family? come on people. youre supporting abuse and cruelty in order to support a stupid fkn bowl of soup cuz french people used to eat it hundreds of years ago...when they had to in order to survive. get your heads out of the sand.
Once you grow up, and learn proper use of the language, people may take you seriously. Till then, you are a joke. What is so hard about typing/spelling correctly?
4 u? prolly no thang
I am so hungry I could eat a horse. Literally.
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Careful you don't choke
Please don't feed the trolls. We know the word is legit – let them look it up.
Okay its not about if one chooses to eat meat or not. Its about how the animals producing the meat are treated, what you are consuming that matters here. Top Chef is advocating abusive cruel treatment of other living things by airing such rubbish for viewers to watch. Its a barbaric act. It shows ignorance and they are encouraging uneducated ppl to eat toxic meat. Those ppl may suffer long and hard as a result. What I have issue with is those ppl who consume this toxic meat piss it into our sewers it then gets recycled you and I get to re-consume it through other foods. HOW DARE THESE PPL!
Top Chef is advocating abusive cruel treatment of other living things???????? How on earth did you come up with that??? Tell you what, don't even bother telling me, the thought processes that took you to that are more than I will ever be interested in...also if I may suggest...stay away from people pissing in sewers...lmao
Where do you live that they recycle sewer water!?? If this is true you have more issues than just the .0000005% of ppl who have tried horse meat. Use a different argument, that one is just weak.
ppl this stuff seeps into our ground soil. Do some reading educate yourself. Its then used by plant material that herbivores eat who in turn we eat. Read about certain communities in this country who have had test ran due to populations becoming sick. or men growing breasts, becoming sterile. or any number of other issues. Become educated then come back and we can talk. Also TOP CHEF advocates abuse by airing horse meat as a viable food source. Its simple they did not tell the viewers how this meat was obtains, where it came from or how toxic it can be to consume. Nothing you guys say can change that fact.
Well silly, here is an easy solution, how about we stop feeding horses toxic urine grass. I have half a corned beef sandwich I could offer up to a horse that may want it. Its kosher don't worry, don't want to offend any observing horses out there. Oy vee, THAT would be terrible!
I like an occasional golden shower every once in awhile, but where are you eating foods made/processed with recycled toxic urine? You might want to rethink your dinner habits or think about going out to eat in a different neighborhood.
You're eating it to Pete.. no one escapes.. not Vegans not meat eaters. Its a problem scientists are struggling with as we speak. Enjoy your next meal.
Alright folks we are nearing the 1,000 comment mark. Keep on posting gang as the sooner we get to 1,000, the sooner 1,000 innocent horses will be put to their death in sacrifice to the gods to avoid the end of the world on May 21. Come on gang, help save the world!!!! May 21 COULD be the end! Every comment counts!
Oh and by the way help keep the pet population low, spay and neuter your pets (horses too)!
One thing I agree with here is that horse breeding must come to and end for a period of time. I'd say at least ten years. Then a moratorium must be put on how many horses a breeder is allowed to produce every two years or so. Someth9ing like that would over time cut down the unwanted horses we are faced with today. Its hard, but something has to happen. I'm not against spaying mares either. I do believe that a certain amount of horse breeding must go on. but we have gone overboard in the past 20 years or so.
Thank you all, I revel in my "meat eating" "holier than thou" "low level IQ" behaviour, despite your best efforts...Buon appetito
Revel a word?
I rather be called s bleeding heart than heartless ass
Can you have an intelligent, emotional relationship with any animal? Is your horse Mr. Ed? what is different about other farm animals? sentient beings ; who is making this stuff up? Horses are animals and man has dominion over them. I love tarantulas but If I was hungry I could eat one, snakes too and people kill them all the time. Snakes take care of rodents and kingsnakes even eat rattlesnakes just sayin. So if its an aminal and not endangered eat it. no crime. What are they gonna take away your birthday?
Have you done some research on horse slaughter? Maybe you should before you speak. Yes you can have an emotional and even spiritual relationship with a horse. Do you know horses?
Can you explain what type of spiritual relationship you have with a horse? I'm curious.
You can have a physical relationship with your horse too, but it was my understanding that was against the law in the U.S. Am I wrong, if so, I'll move back?
I see that eating meat hasn't raised the IQ level of the posters here.
I think the same can be said for the non meat eaters as well. Just sayin.
Opinions are like @ssholes, everybody has one!
WOW talk about holier than thou.... get over yourselves... Gandalf twins.
Yea yea yea, I know...all of you are great spellers.
Prepping for the spelling nazis I see. Blow them off like that belch you're planning on later. ;)
Your point is well taken by the more reasoned posters, sir. KUTGW.
And so the debate continues among the bleeding heart liberals, the uneducated, the over eductaed, and the "I'm right, everyone else is wrong" crowds. Well, I say rave on people, I am shortly going to fry myself a nice "fettina" (look it up, it's Italian), combine it with some sauteed mushrooms and a nice salad, a nice cold crisp glass of wine, and have myself a nice hearty belch when I'm done. How very barbarioan of me!
Don't choke on it. Wine? A bit early for that or do we have a problem? Yes please have your daily dose of Bute.
Congrats on you spelling, I think you missed a few yourself
Soon, in some cases, doesn't necessarily mean right now, though I would have thought someone as smart would not need to have it pointed out to them. It is 11 am here now, and to me, soon means in an hour. That is lunch hour. As for a problem with drinking, why does a glass of wine with a meal constitute a problem? It is neither too early, nor unusual to have wine with a meal. Perhaps the problem rests with those that can't stop at one drink with a meal? Just like some insist on having everyone conform to their ideas of normal?
I just fart and then blame it on the dog.
Pretentious names for small people.
This is horrible. Unfortunately, some of those horses come straight from the racing stables. Once the exploiters have no use for the race horses, they get sent to be slaughtered, even champions.
It's great to see such a support for horses. I'd like to see the same support for all other living beings.
Go Vegan:)!
[Love the double entendre]
When you said "Go Vegan" Didn't you really mean "Go Away, Vegan?" .... just the preachy, militant ones.
Quote: "Go Vegan"
No thanks. I'd rather not have to rely on supplements because my food is lacking in essential nutrients for survival.
And forgot to mention, Horse/Pony kill buyers and their family members MAY also be busy voting and commenting as they would have the profit motive too would they not?
Yeah, I'm sure those types are here on CNN with nothing to do but skew the vote...conspiracy theories now, paranoid much??
Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.
Evolving means many things, but surely one of them is the increasing compassion felt for ALL life and changing the conditions of living and dying to be as merciful as possible. Horses are GOD'S most beautiful living, breathing creations and if someone doesn't get that, then they never will. Horses were never meant as food, they have served humankind in so many other ways throughout history – respect for their contributions to the advancement of civilization does not include inhumane deaths by heartless humans. Horses CARRY us upon their backs – maybe that's the difference between them and other species? I believe that Top Chef Canada was attempting to see whether or not North Americans can be persuaded to accept horse meat (i.e. expand the market) ... apparently one of their Sponsors sells canned horse meat, so kinda obvious what's going on! I also feel that the Corporations involved in this attempt to expand their market PROBABLY have their employees voting heavily in this poll and POSSIBLY even commenting here. I saw this exact type of tactic used OFTEN when I used to be involved in the Environmental movement. Just like then ... PAID employees and lobbyists during WORKING hours are busy stacking the votes while overworked/worn out VOLUNTEERS are battling them on their OWN free time. So I hope CNN will take this KNOWN tactic into consideration when looking at these poll results and PLEASE start getting horse slaughter coverage on their nightly news programs. Most Americans still believe it ended ... they don't understand that SO many horses AND ponies are being transported across US borders to horrific slaughter deaths at the hands of some VERY cruel humans.
You my friend are a clueless moron. Go a hug another tree and cry to someone else, its easy to blame big corporations and then turn around and use big corporation products and services. Do us all a favor and go off into the woods and live on your own. You complain about corporations and their "shady tactics" yet you benefit from so many of them every hour of the day – you my friend are a hypocrite! Bottom line, its a horse combined with a culture that doesn't eat them. Get off your *&^(*# soap-box!
Well bless your little heart. Do you have a quota for the number of words you must type in all caps?
I LIKE TO USE CAPS AND MANY WORDS TO COMPENSATE FOR THE FACT THAT I HANOTHING TO SAY!
So... all of you who are in favor of eating horse meat. How much are you being paid to post here? Horse meat from the USA is contaminated with chemicals that can cause all kinds of medical problems. I won't even go into the taboo. Biblically horse meat is unclean. Don't believe me? Read Leviticus Chapter 11. You want to eat it? Move to France or Japan. Oh wait. God just punished Japan. Maybe you should move to France instead. FOOLS.
So .... because some of us have opinions that differ from yours, we MUST be getting paid for posting? How extremely self-centered and arrogant of you.
Wow, "Biblically horse meat is unclean" Really? That's a new angle on this.
Biblically, you're not supposed to eat rabbit, frog, catfish, lobster, clams, etc., either.
God just punished Japan for eating horsemeat? You and Pat Robertson are besties, aren't you?
Yes (thinks Dirk Gently), but which god? And why?
Was your god also punishing the Southeastern United States? And anyone living near the Mississippi River? Is there a lot of secret horse-eating there that we should know about? Or perhaps you will say it is for other uncleanliness, such as failing to purge the homosexuals or the communists?
I could have sworn somebody important once said not to judge, lest you be judged yourself. Please, correct me if I am wrong.
Not only is this show totally insensitive to the cruelty involved with horse slaughter, I haven't heard one word about disclaimers relating to the toxicity of horse meat. It is a known potential carcinogen, and if you don't believe me, why don't you read the "Association of phenylbutazone usage with horses bought for slaughter: A public health risk,” which appeared in the journal Food and Chemical Toxicology and calls into question the reliability of the USDA (US Department of Agriculture) and CFIA (Canadian Food Inspection Agency) testing programs which have consistently failed to detect the substance. Here is the link: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T6P-4YF5RB0-1&_user=10&_coverDate=05%2F31%2F2010&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=gateway&_origin=gateway&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1754902246&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=3193bb075cd28990a4b3b851f14d01c7&searchtype=a
SO, the horrific cruelty involved in this miserable, nasty industry aside, if you would like a nice dose of aplastic anemia, munch away at your own sick risk.
Not only is this show totally insensitive to the cruelty involved with horse slaughter, I haven't heard one word about disclaimers relating to the toxicity of horse meat. It is a known potential carcinogen, and if you don't believe me, why don't you read the "Association of phenylbutazone usage with horses bought for slaughter: A public health risk,” which appeared in the journal Food and Chemical Toxicology and calls into question the reliability of the USDA (US Department of Agriculture) and CFIA (Canadian Food Inspection Agency) testing programs which have consistently failed to detect the substance. Here is the link: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T6P-4YF5RB0-1&_user=10&_coverDate=05%2F31%2F2010&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=gateway&_origin=gateway&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1754902246&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=3193bb075cd28990a4b3b851f14d01c7&searchtype=a
SO, the horrific cruelty involved in this miserable, nasty industry, if you would like a nice dose of aplastic anemia, munch away at your own sick risk!
Delete my first post above
How about we just delete you? Would it have strained your typing skills to ask for a deletion instead of demanding it?
There was a mention of toxicity to horseflesh early in the thread. It was considerably less long-winded than your post. You obviously didn't pass your reading comprehension class.
Is the word "please" in your vocabulary?
The article mentions many countries where horsemeat is a common food. Yet I did not see Italy mentioned. I was born in Italy, and have eaten horsemeat all my life. Even here in Canada there are places to buy horsemeat for human consumption. Use any argument you all wish to use, in the end, almost everything can be and is used as food in some country or another. If you all kept your "holier than thou"attitudes to yourselves, and eat if you wish, or avoid if that is your wont, there would be no more argument. There is enough strife in this world without arguments about what joe blow eats compared to what we eat. I say enough already. Do not cancel the show, rather use your remote if you're against it, and do not preach to those that may not agree with you about what evil sinners they may be.
Fat chance!!! and yes Italy is the biggest consumer of horse meat. I think is deplorable and disgusting.
Me thinks you are the one with the tude. Is not about eating what you want is about cruelty to animals and eating tainted meat. Is not like in the little villages in Italy where you take your beloved horse ( as I insert an eye roll) shoot it and then eat it. Is about what horses endure going from auction to auction, little food, no water packed in DD to then travel thousands of miles, no food no water and end up with the captive bolt that do not kill them, just stuns them for 30 sec to be hoisted and butchered while still alive. Sounds like fun to you? Never mind that these auctions are packed with horses carrying all kinds of diseases and all get infected. Sound like a fun way to end the life of a horse?
Yep Master Gandalf and you are the reason there is strife. You just don't get how to be humane. There are animals eaten in many countries who are abused in order to become food along with the US. These practices must stop. Then you may have an argument. Right now you just sound dense.
It seems you pro-slaughter people are the ones with "holier than thou" attitudes. Just because we have a differing opinion, does not make us any better... nor are we any worse! The ONLY argument you people seem to stand by is, "well, we ate it... so.... there". With ANYTHING in life... just because we CAN... doesn't mean we SHOULD. I can go on and on with other valid points, but I really hate repeating myself, especially when it seems to fall upon deaf ears anyway.
JUST SICK AND WRONG HUMANS!!! & Please Lord Bless the horses that are in human care, For in this world, they have no voice...THEY HAVE NO CHOICE!!!
Since many are arguing that meat is meat regardless of the source, why not just start eating the excess people on the planet as well? There are a lot of them starving. We could round them up and put them in feedlots. They'd live a nice life for a short time and then go to slaughter like the cows and pigs and so forth.
Not a bad idea... we'll start with all the horse eating humans... ;) Save mother earth in the process from over population.
Why start with the starvng people? Why not go with all the Patis and Flippity Flappitys first.
LOL, that is a point I also brought up. Good one! ;)
I'm not a vegetarian but I'm not barbaric either. The thought of eating an animal that could bring me such pleasure as a beautiful horseback ride on a warm summer morning is absolutely appalling to me. I can totally see the entire population becoming vegans in the near future. The meats that I would eat, chicken and fish, are being poisoned by chemicals and mans reckless dumping habits beyond the point of saving them. We are our own worst enemy. We are all Gods creations. He will only tolerate so much He chooses when we are born and when we die. The rest takes care of itself.
I cannot see the entire population becoming vegans. It's not even a healthy diet; you cannot get all your nutrients from plant sources alone. Vegans do not eat any animal products; not only cutting out meat, but also eggs, milk, and honey.
If we all become vegan (hypothetically speaking of course), that would end up greatly accelerating the extinction of the our species. There has never been a vegan culture, if there was an attempt they would have died out.
Not to mention it would grossly accelerate depletion of our land and soil; a diet including low to moderate meat consumption actually uses less land than a diet excluding all animal products.
I'm sorry, but this is not factual. First off, I am not vegan either. The only meat I consume is poultry and fish, simply because I cannot digest any other meat.
But I know OF and know many more personally who have been vegans all their life... and they are well into late adulthood, healthy and sound. I am not saying that EVERYONE in the entire world should convert to this type of lifestyle. But you actually CAN get adequate nutrients from plant sources. Many plants - and grains - are good protein sources, along with fiber and other wholesome nutrients. Animal meat alone is not the only source of protein in the world. There are also ways to supplement your diet with protein, although I can understand how many might not want to simply take a powder to get their protein source. But there ARE other ways... plant sources for one.
It is erroneous to believe that you cannot thrive off of a vegan diet. I try as much as I possibly can to eat "green", but admit I consume poultry and/or fish up to 3x a week. Also, did you know that a diet high in protein is actually BAD for your health? It is no wonder so many people have high cholesterol, are obese, and generally have poor health problems because of TOO MUCH consumption of meat!
Tara,
It is extremely irresponsible of you to be telling people they can get all their nutrients from a vegan diet without any supplementation. Even vegan websites caution that vegans must ensure to eat B-12 fortified foods and take B-12 supplements.
No plant is a complete protein. Eating plants in some combinations can get very close; such as rice and beans together is ALMOST a complete protein, but it still isn't 100% complete protein.
The poor health of people eating a Western Diet isn't the inclusion of meat, humans are naturally designed to eat meat. It's the poor diet itself. The lack of vegetables and fruits, the overabudance of grain-based carbs (humans aren't even designed to digest grain, which is we have to grind and cook it), overabudance of proceessed junk food, sugar, and finally what we DO to our meat (corn-fed beef is significantly fattier and significantly lower in Omega-3s; virtually everyone eating the "Western Diet" has hugely out-of-whack Omega ratios).
"Horse meat is a staple in the cuisine of countries such as France" ........ Rubbish!!!
I live in France, and I do not know a single person who eats horse-meat ....... Food Network Canada are talking out of their backsides ...... next they will be telling us that everyone in France eats frogs legs,wears a beret and has a string of onions round their neck.
Even if it was considered a delicacy in france, it doesn't make it right – in Korea they eat dog ............... although I doubt somehow that would make the menu of next weeks show. The suffering the poor horses go through is unimaginable, how can they possibly think of condoning their slaughter for the sake of entertainment ? Outrageous.
Thank you for your post ChrisB!
I have read that many French restaurants have also taken horse meat off of their menus after finding out how it was produced in CA, MX and the US.
This is really poor journalism. It's NOT a staple in those countries, it's sold there – big diff. Also, you forgot Mexico, which is one of the biggest consumers of horse meat – they'll eat anything.
OOOOOH! I first read the title as Top Chef Trolls into Taboo Territory.
OK, according to the poll, Canadians are BIG assholes!
For those that are not interested in history I will type this out just as an FYI. Without horses, we would not even be close to the civilization that we have today. The old saying that civilization was built on the back of a horse is being quite literal! They are a noble and very intelligent animal that deserves more respect than being served up as dinner.
On the human perspective, most (about almost all) horses have received vaccinations, antibiotics and other medications that are labeled "not for animals meant for human consumption". Slaughter plants don't care. They will take your ex-racer Thoroughbred and inhumanly kill them and then serve their parts to you despite the fact that they have been given things that render them unusable for consuming, but are sold to eat anyways.
You sir, have insulted all the oxen, donkey and elephants.
this poll of whether horse meat shoud be on the menu is now defunct. Anyone can cut and paste the website and vote repeatedly, thus producing bogus stats, typical poll, so I votred 5 times against horse being on the menu. So for suppliers of horsemeat who pay people to sit and vote...CNN u do not cut it and have proven to be an unreliable source of these stats that cause so many feeling, productive, and home grazing pets their lives through horrific horse slaughter processes in Canada and Mexico, stravation, thirst begins the menu to slaughter, an entree let us say, then if still standing, due to overcrowding and injury, these horses KNOW what they are headed for, they received as their main course in human hospitality and welcoming to the planet EArth after their many years of service to humanity, to be depending on the welcoming committee, Canada or Mexico, just the ones I know of dears, bolted ineffectively, shot and stabbed repeatly til the job is done. They are not supposed to feel anything but they do~~and the grand finality before this horse gets to your plate to gratify your palette's moment's desire of PLEASURE, THIS HORSE WILL EXPERIENCE BLOOD LETTING, THROAT SLITTING, WHILE IN MANY CASES STILL CONSCIOUS~~and this BEHAVIOR IS passed on to children, community, as o.k. What people do to animals, they eventually do to humans~~it is a matter o when...
Couldn't agree more. WHERE DO WE DRAW THE LINE???? Another point, just because we "CAN" eat it doesn't mean we should! It's not safe. Less is more. Just because you CAN or WANT to consume more calories than your body can take, doesn't mean you should! Everyone should practice common sense eating. Eating horses should not be on the menu, because... calling Dr. Logic.... is not safe, is inhumane, and just because it moves, doesn't mean we should eat it.
I agree that this poll is rigged too. When I saw the results, I was outraged and confused. People can't be THIS cruel.... or can they?
I'm sure all the food fanatics out there don't see a problem with this. But it IS a problem and it's cruel. I know many who will immediately counter-argue the points I'm about to make, so bring it on, but consider this....
Horses have been around as man's partner - just like the dog - for thousands of years. I know in some cultures/countries, they eat dogs & cats and pretty much every living thing under the sun. But it's cruel. And a lot of this "exotic" meat is just not safe for human consumption, as many other commenters are accurately pointing out!
Besides, where does the line draw? Yes, we eat cattle, as many will argue. However, cattle and like-creatures are, and have been, specifically raised for human consumption. This still saddens me, but I do realize that we have evolved this way and is part of the natural food chain. Cattle are preyed upon by wild animals, as well. I personally think that people should TRY to go vegan as much as possible, simply to reduce the risk of health pathologies.
YES, I eat meat... poultry and fish. Luckily for me, I cannot digest red meat. It literally makes me sick.
Going again to my previous point.... WHERE DO WE DRAW THE LINE? JUST because it moves and walks, does that mean we should eat it? It seems that eating animals that are already becoming endangered is erroneously becoming a trend simply because it's "exotic" or considered a "delicacy". Give me a break! If this continues, soon people are going to be snatching up your cats and dogs to be made on the next hit culinary show. It's absurd!!!
I almost feel like pretty soon, we're going to resort to cannibalism and find someway to justify our consumption of it. Because, hey, it moves! It must be food! Of course I'm not being entirely serious on that one, but at the rate we're going.... WHY NOT!
Please vote against this. Even if you're not an animal lover, this is becoming a real issue. Animals are becoming endangered because of this or other means of "consuming" them (fur, etc). We're putting a huge hole in the earth, and it WILL affect us one way or another. Remember, we live on this planet too! Best not throw things out of whack!
Besides.... what's wrong with eating what we have now? What's wrong with wholesome green nutrition? Should we really venture out into strange territory just because it's becoming some asshole's new curiosity trend?
Also, another thing to mention...
I hear about people saying that if we were all to switch to a vegan lifestyle, there wouldn't be enough plants to feed us all. First off, it takes just as much time to plant, grow, and harvest crops as it does to breed and raise cattle - naturally (without pesticides, hormones, etc). Secondly, maybe if you lazy bastards took the time to plant your own garden (it really isn't that hard!), you would save money AND help populate your own crops. Hell, maybe even for profit one day! Get off your lazy bums and do something since there is so much bitching and whining about raised food prices. It sucks, yes... do something about it.
Annnnd another pro-slaughter argument owned.
Problem is that over 90% of all our available cropland is used to raise food for the animals we eat. We should cut down on meat production and create more crop production for human consumption.
It would seem that the pro-slaughter monsters are trying to "normalize" an acceptance of horse-flesh for the table, by a gradual infusion of things like this, into the Canadian/American psyche. They KNOW that a groundswell of objection to Canadian slaughter is growing in Canada. They do not want the average Canadian public to call or write their governmental equivalent of Congressional/Regional representatives in support of the several anti-slaughter bills that are currently being considered. It is NO coincidence that they wanted to air this now.
I am grateful for our Canadian Friends who are like-hearted in considering the eating of horse-flesh barbaric. It is now up to them, to wage this battle. Of course, I know that we will stand with them, and be ever watchful here in the States too.
BTW...I find a sickening irony in the fact that NBC is the owner of BRAVO, and also of VERSUS, who, coincidentally seems to have usurped most of the TV coverage of major TB races away from HRTV and TVG. Even more suspect is the fact that HRTV is airing more shows that cater to the QuarterHorse world. Not to "dis" Quarterhorses at all...But I would point out that the AQHA (American Quarterhorse Association) is one of the major pro-slaughter proponents in the world...linked arm-in-arm with the American Cattlemens' Association. They also promote othershows on HRTV and VERSUS that feature rodeo events. It seems they have sold their souls for sponsor money supplied by Big AG and Cattle lobbies. (Remember...VERSUS is owned by NBC) So, I would say that there is much more than what meets the eye to this very big picture, of blood, betrayal, and greed.
Great observation!
I wonder if the polls taken at this site are accurate...I would not be surprised it it was somehow rigged to favor the pro-slaughter minions. I say this because my family and I voted. First I, then my son, then my daughter. We tried to vote from this same computer. When I voted, the count was one number. Then my son voted, and the count stayed the same. It even did not change when my daughter tried to vote. So, we voted three times, but the vote stayed the same. What's up with that? We tried to vote "Yes" – On Grounds of Cruelty.Are "certain votes" NOT being registered? Is that why the "NO – Its part of Cuisine votes seem to be so far head? I think this might be a pro-slaughter fix. Shame.
I'm convinced it is scam. as I have made over 100 votes in the past couple hours they register "under" the poll each time I vote where it says total votes. After so many times they register on the NO its cruel option ( the first one). But they do not register each time I vote just after so many. Then in some cases they register each time I vote. I'm not sure the opposition did not rack up votes this way, Id like them to prove they didn't.
The poll may store your computer information and not count when you vote a bunch of times in a row.
The poll could be programmed to add votes at a certain time frame, such as every 15 minutes it updates with all the new voting.
Or it could also be that you are simply looking at a cached version.
I don't think there's a "conspiracy" going on here... sorry folks.
Just because you don't agree with the poll results doesn't make it false.
"the horses are often former pets or racers and may have at some point consumed drugs that are not approved for human use."
Heck, I've been doing that to myself for most of my life...
Hey Clyves, that was pretty dumb
LOL! But then you don't have to worry about someone eating you ..... at least not like ...... well never mind.
The meat is not safe for human consumption. The horses are sold full of toxic drugs in the United States, then transported to Canada and Mexico for slaughter. There is no method to remove the highly cancerous toxins from the meat.
Horse Slaughter is a shame to humanity .
What's absolutely heartbreaking is that most people don't have the balls to actually watch this. If people really owned up to their culpability in the factory farming horrors, things would change. Unfortunately most people refuse to face it and take the out of sight out of mind mentality. We are the most evil of all beasts.
Vampires off our horses. Hard to believe that Canada bashes in the heads of seals and eats our horses. CANADA SHAME. It will soon be illegal to transport American horses to Canada to be stabbed to death to die in a vat of blood, or hung and stabbed to bleed to death. We will be the stake through the heart of the vampires. Cosmic justice will get the horse murderers if we don't stop them. How dare they, horses are magical creatures and so wonderful. They will be sorry for their dirty deeds. "You hurt the ones that I love best, then cover up the truth with lies, one day you'll be in the ditch, flies buzzing around your eyes"
Horses are one of the most majestic creatures on earth..Why would anyone want to watch a horse being slaughtered?
I can't someone at the network thinks this would be a good idea...Its cruel and inhumane
Fish, pork, poultry and beef are all okay, but horse meat somehow is not? What a bunch of hypocrites. Those who are outraged should be slapped.
Bill, you've eaten every other animal, are you still hungry. Animal cholestrol will kill you. Just look at Sue Wallises butt, thats what happens when you eat horses. Off our horses vampires. We will stop you I promise.
Dietary cholesterol doesn't equate to blood cholesterol. And the lipid hypothesis has been debunked.
Why is it wrong to eat a horse but right to eat a cow or a bull or a sheep. Cows and sheep are very friendly and don't bother anyone and can provide for humans without our taking their lives and yet we eat them without any moral issue. There is nothing inherently wrong with eating a horse the same way there is nothing wrong with eating a camel. They are feeding cows bovine growth hormones and pumping them with steroids and antibiotics as they grow to raise them up nice and strong and fast so they can turn that corn and soy into flesh and fat and eventually another year paying the mortgage.
Fine, horses are sensitive and can see better than cows and its inhumane to kill them in a certain way that causes them pain or suffering. But if its wrong to do it to them its wrong to do it to any animal. A life is a life is a life is life and being cute and fuzzy doesn't make you more worthy of living than if you're scraggly and gritty.
They eat horse meat raw in Japan on very very special occasions and it is considered a delicacy. I have lost no respect for the Japanese having been in a Japanese barbecue restaurant that served it and seeing people enjoying it.
Whether you think it is wrong to eat horse or not I think we will all agree on this, in God's eyes their lives are equal in value and it is just as immoral to slay one for meat as it is the other when given the choice to not do so and let them live alongside us in peace.
In response to your very well written comment I feel a need to respond. All breathing beings should be respected and not eaten. We are focusing on horses that are not eatened in the USA and consumed by a small fraction in Canada. Could you imagine if the fight was about all animals that are slaughtered in mass? It would just be an unbelievable and non productive fight. Just look at the opposition when noone depends on horses for substinance.
Need to pick and chose your fight
Quote: "All breathing beings should be respected and not eaten. "
Good in a storybook, but that's not how nature works.
The reality is that some animals eat plants (herbivores), some animals eat other animals (carnivores), and some animals eat both plants and other animals (omnivores). Humans being in the last category.
Respect and eating an animal or not are not mutually exclusive. I respect deer, I also eat deer. The Native Americans especially were hugely respectful of the animals they ate, but they understood that from that animals life they got their own life.
Most people today are incredibly out of touch to where their food comes from; both for crops/plants and livestock. They may see a video here and there; but that's essentially meaningless. I can watch a video on TLC of a doctor performing heart surgery, that most certain doesn't expose me to the operating room atmosphere, knowledge of the procedure other than very superficial, etc.
People should know where their food comes from. Visit the Midwest during wheat harvest. Go to a dairy farm, cattle ranch, feedlot, etc. Explore non-mainstream meat sources, such as ostrich ranches and goat ranches. Visit the farmer's market and talk with the people that are selling what they grew themselves. Get to know the people that essentially feed you.
Rasheed, your write-up is thoughtful, and if horses were raised as food animals, I couldn't argue with you, but in the US and CA they are not and they are not medicated as such. There are plenty of laws that food animals need to abide by. Horses are medicated with currently legal medications that are VERY illegal (e.g. cancerous to people) in food animals. Do our governments turn a blind eye because it is generally for overseas consumption? I don't get it. The EU is finally becoming aware of this issue though ...
I think we all should turn to vegetarian's myself.Eating horse meat sound's absolutely sickning.
Want some cancer with your horse meat?
It would floor me that this tv show or the chef's involved wouldn't want to know where the horse meat came from, or that very likely it was carcinogenic because horses are not raised as food animals. Because of this, they are not medicated as food animals. Legal and highly used horse medications are known carcinogenics and are banned in all food animals.
eating horse meat is an immoral and horrible thing to do, to advertise to do, or to air a show about using horse meat in recipes. It is not an acceptable form of meat for consumption in the USA. WE still value these gorgeous creatures for their beauty and sensitive nature.....as other creatures that many humans seem to feel the necessity to kill.........
UFO shove it you immoral piece of trash. Go back in the toilet you stepped out of.
To hear of people eating HORSE meat grieves me to my core! It is a great wrong. Equines are one of the most noble and sensitive of all God's amazing creatures.
I think a better question to ask is whether or not there is a need for a horse meat industry. To produce horse meat fit for human consumption the process would have to be regulated just like any other livestock industry. This would make the meat just as expensive as beef if not more so, since horses have a longer gestation period than cattle, so it would probably end up being more expensive to raise horses for food. Horse meat would end up being a delicacy item rather than a cheap source of protein. If cheap protein is the real goal, it makes more sense to look into raising insects - abundant, relatively inexpensive and easy to maintain, no slaughter facilities to regulate - disgusting as it may seem to some, insects are a much more logical choice, and yes, our ancestors did eat them!
;) Love it!
Yes Lin, you are right, Let one of these people witness an actual slaughter then tell me it not cruel. Horses are companion pets and also used in horse racing. These are no regular animals, they are smart and know whats going on. Would you slaughter Zenyatta horse of the year? NO. Maybe they should slaughter humans that want this sort of thing.
@Nancy the Nazi
"Maybe they should slaughter humans that want this sort of thing."
TOLD YA, These WACKO's would line children up to be shot before they would hurt a poor wittle horsey....
UFOSHIZLE, you must enjoy making a fool of yourself, but it gets a little old to others who just MIGHT be trying to have an actual conversation. Especially since there are some rather important topics under discussion here – like cruelty to horses and the health of those people in horse eating countries who haven't been told they are eating contaminated meat.
You've already shown that you know absolutely nothing about horses, slaughter, and the meat business and also that you don't care about any of it. So, why don't you just toddle off and play with the other kiddies?
That is absolutely disgusting and cruel, those horses are usually slaughtered for no reason, those horses are usually ex race horses because they retired and no one wants them or peoples sick joke when they want to get rid of there horses,or better yet there wild mustangs, this show better be canceled and all the sick people that said to keep the show because its part of the cuisine are idiots, i would love to have them watch those poor horses being slaughtered and see how fast they change their vote, disgusting people these days
Food is the reason....the thing you should be denied.
At your weight, killing the horse would be preferable to putting you on his back.
Seriously UFOSHIZLE you need to go back to the rock you crawled out from under. Childish insults only proves to everyone reading that you either have a low IQ and don't know any better or you have behavior problems in real life.
Horses are butchered alive, the captive bolt and stabbing them in the spine don't kill them. It is animal abuse, and disgusting. Not to mention all the warnings on the lables for the meds they get. Do not give to food animals, Horses are companion pets Not food. Horse slaughter is a disgrace. All for over breeding and $$$$$$$.
This poll is being miss used by the cuisine ppl. Its also not a true poll as you may vote as many times as you like. Its an underhanded attempt to show favor of horse meat. and We will discredit you. We have caught on to your trickery.
this poll is obviously rigged by pro-slaughter folks....there is no way it is reflective of American views on horse slaughter-that is why it is banned in this country and if our political system would get off it's collective butt and pass HR503 the transport & export of horses by the low-life greedy Pro-slaughter kill buyers, the supply would end as well.
What kind of morally corrupt individual would take one of Gods most gifted creatures to man and eat them? The bible says it's a sin to eat ANY single hooved animal. It's been proven to be unhealthy unless you like eating carcinogentic tainted food?
Get real...the chef should be embarassed to be so thoughtless as to not think how the so called 'food] he is preparing gets to his kitchen, especially since the entire continent of North America mostly sees him as a pawn for the slaughter campaigns. What's your encore chef/slaughter campaign? How about a cook book filled with other cancer causing meals? Geez they really had to go to the bottom of the barrel to jam this down the throats of the public! Idiots!
1 Horses have only recently evolved a single TOE from having many TOES.
2 Apparently your "GOD" only appears by silhouette on Toast and Potato Chips, and Animal sacrifice was normal to cleanse our sins....and Gods command. God says "Let there be BBQ!" ...its in there.
You think you know better than God? It's how many toes a horse "has," not how many a horse "had." You essentially started out as a guppy, remember? Or did you not evolve, as the horse has?
@Nina Eckhoff
You made absolutely no rational thought there...TRY AGAIN.
Kosher laws also say to not eat rabbit. Or frog. Or catfish. Or any shellfish (crab, lobster, clams, etc.).
Do you avoid all those things?
I'm not saying I want to or would eat horse, I'm just saying the the reason "it's not kosher" is pretty meaningless for anybody except Jews, and even then, not all Jews follow kosher dietary law.
We, in the U.S.A. did away with slaughter of horses in our country. Now we're going to do away with the slimeballs that transport them to your country for slaughter. Have you ever watched an undercover slaughter video?? Any animal that is destroyed should be treated humanely – we humans are a sorry lot.
I became involved in horse rescue and decided that it was my moral obligation to watch several undercover horse slaughter videos. One was via Willie Nelson's website. What I saw caused me to sob. The animals know what is happening. It is beyond terrible. Hell on earth, I believe. Anyone who eats flesh should be responsible enough to learn how an animal became dinner. Most people won't do that because it makes them uncomfortable. How cowardly. I became a vegetarian after watching the slaughter videos and also the factory farming videos. Heinous what humans to to animals. I don't are how good it tastes! I will work to end horse slaughter and animal suffering. Just because we can eat/do something does not mean that we should – that's human will triumphing over decency and common sense. The Bible says that it is a sin to eat a one hooved animal. That's good enough for me.
I'm really glad I don't have to wade through all these comments because most of them either miss the point or are to dumb to answer. People ~ Whether you're a Vegan or not has NOTHING to do with horse slaughter because horse slaughter is a special case.
First, the cruelty is REAL. You simply cannot use the equipment and techniques used for cattle slaughter on horses. These two species are poles apart, physically and mentally. Horses are prey animals with a hair trigger flight response. Cattle have been bred for docility for millennia. Horses have not. They are an exquisitely sensitive, visually oriented species and they know what's going on around them. Cattle trailers are not tall enough for horses. The kill box is the wrong size and at the wrong angle for horses. The required head restraint cannot be used on horses. The captive bolt works extremely poorly on horses. In short, EVERYTHING about it violates the Humane Slaughter Act. This type of "assembly line" slaughter is not and cannot be made humane for horses.
If you don't care about all that, try this. Horses are not considered food animals in the US (see FDA classification-Companion Animals). Therefore, as has been stated probably a million times, they are routinely exposed to substances that are totally banned from the human food chain. I invite everyone of you to go to a store where horse supplies are sold. Go over the shelves and read the labels. You'll see that the majority of even OTC horse products bear this warning: NOT FOR USE IN HORSES INTENDED FOR FOOD. What do you imagine this means? It means that if these products are used on a horse even ONE time, he/she is no longer acceptable as food animal – banned from the food chain for LIFE. Bute and wormers are the tip of the iceberg, as you will see from the labels. Even FLY SPRAY carries this warning.
One of the most widely used of all these substances, Bute, is a known carcinogen. It can cause bone marrow suppression and aplastic anemia, birth defects and other highly variable and unpredictable side effects. Do you really want to eat this stuff? Do you want your children to eat this stuff? Why in the WORLD would eating horse meat be worth such a risk? Don't we have enough variety in our diet without eating our companion animals?
This show makes NO reference to these problems with US horses. There are many restaurants that have dropped horse meat from their menus because of the complete lack of traceability. The EU has just suspended imports from it's Mexican plants because of violations of their traceability rules. When they investigate Canada, they will find the same violations. If you don't believe the EU takes this very seriously, think again. They could very well ban the importation of ALL horses from the US. As far as I'm concerned, the sooner the better. Allowing this to continue is unconscionably irresponsible toward horses AND humans.
Yes, I own companion horses and have for over 30 years. No, I am not a Vegan. I do however not eat animal products that require cruelty for their production – horse slaughter, veal, and foie gras for example. I highly doubt the US will ever be Vegan, but one doesn't have to be that extreme to see that using certain animal products is NOT within the scope of a civilized society.
Thank you, Suzanne.
thank you Susanne.....a voice of intelligence in the sea of trolls!
Amen.
L@@K KIDS, another gimp who uses the Charlie Sheen'ism TROLLS when they cant find anything rational to say.
WE HAVE AN HANDY SLAB for ufoSHIFIZLE OR WHOEVER. Eat Up!
There is currently no way to humanely slaughter horses. You can't even do it humanely with other animals that are raised as livestock in North America, not in the mass assembly line way most animals are slaughtered.
The horse slaughter industry overall is a predatory, demand driven abuse machine from beginning to horrific end. Great way for felons and animal abusers to make a living. Add that to the fact that many others repeated here, which is, that horse meat is so toxic (due to the fact that the vast majority of horses in this country are not raised as livestock, and routinely given drugs that would disqualify any other food animal for human consumption) that even the pet food industry won't touch it. Not fit for human consumption. Period.
Come on, people, wise up and know what you are eating, and try to at least pretend to care about the suffering of the animals you choose to consume.
Not again.......
This vote is fixed by pro slaughter people. They have no soul and are dishonest to attempt to prove a lie. Karma is swift
I don't get it either. Don't people have brains? I seem to have found a few who don't *cough* UFOSHIZLE *cough* closetiguana *cough*
Good Horse recipes, Yummy
http://dobianchi.com/2009/01/29/i-could-eat-a-horse-and-i-did-in-legnaro-pd/
Not much of a choice with this poll! Horsemeat contains drugs that could be hazerdous to eat! a Horses origin cannot be fuly traced like our meat animals.Many are bought at low end diseaced laden auctions,then once in the slaughter pipeline the horse suffers for days or weeks before being slaughtered!
More info and the true facts on horsemeat and how horses suffer once in the pipeline See http://www.kaufmanzoning.netm
One more thing...horse meat was banned in the United States because of its TOXICITY! Not because of environmentalists, or horse lovers, etc. Due to the fact horses are not livestock, many additives to their diet, such as bute, which is a a poisen, causes all kinds of health problems in humans, including birth defects, miscarriage, etc. Its time the ranching community who want to sell horse meat get real jobs, because horsemeat is not a viable food source, not matter how many people claim in this unscientific freeping poll claim it is.
Speaking of defects...try considering that this TV show... isn't going to use some old race horse...or wild horse meat.
Really prove it to me! You seem to be an expert on the area why don't you travel to every single slaughter house in Canada and all the other countries and figure out what exactly they use.
Well there is a slim chance that they will get the elderly or sick horse instead. Racehorses are the bulk of slaughterhouse traffic. Healthy horses just don't go to slaughter.
That's a half truth, grrace. The alleged toxicity comes from immunization drugs required for pets as well as any medical treatment the animal may have required throughout its life. Meat from horses bred for consumption is not toxic. The animals are kept the same way as cattle with defined parameters for health and quality. Even meat from a pet horse isn't necessarily toxic, but should such a horse make it to processing the abattoirs processing horse meat up until 2007 (when the last one in the US closed) were closely monitored and held to the same standards as all other meat meant for consumption. The only place this might be a problem is in another country with less strict regulations.
That is not totally true either. The standards are not met in the slaughter houses, no matter what they kill. Do you know that 5000 horses were returned to the usa because of violations that were found in 2 out of the 5 horse slaughter houses in Mexico. SH owned by Beltex that suposedly need to follow EEUU regs. Even Gradin talks about the lack of adherance to her recomendations
Horses are not processed in the United States anymore. The bulk of them are processed in Mexico. I doubt seriously that Food Network will be using four year old frozen horse meat.
Wrong. Horses in the USA and Canada are not intended for human consumption and are therefore routinely given medications that specifically warn that the drugs are not to be given to animals intended for human consumption. Just chek out bute and dewormers, for starters. Get your facts straight and stop spreading dangerous misinformation!
grrace ~ Horse meat is NOT banned in the US. Neither is slaughter. You can slaughter horses. You can even eat them if you want, but you cannot SELL horse meat for human consumption in the US.
tHEN chow down Suzanne. EAT UP! Looking forward to laughing in the face of Horsemeat eaters with CANCER.
Unless your a police man, or a rancher, they are not a companion to you. Lemme know when there are "Seeing Eye" Horses
Look it Up! Mini Horses have and are currently being trained to do so and have proved successful at their jobs.
Did you just seriously use Genetically twisted animals as your retort. Sorry little girl, thats not a horse anymore.
The Guide Horse Foundation.
http://www.guidehorse.com/
Took all of two seconds on Google.
Ha ha ha! Needs some ointment for that burn UFOSHIZLE?
Wow, big burn.....considering you wont get much meat out of those.....I'd still have one....and i'll take a goat roast too.
oh don't be mad that me and others proved you wrong because you didn't know what you were talking about. BTW I'm 16 and apparently know more than you.
Oh one more thing, regular horses are used for therapy for people who've lost feeling in their legs. Also used for the deaf. LOOK IT UP!!!!
Even without the debate on whether or not it is ethical to kill horses for food, or criticizing other cultures, there is still the issue of food safety. Simply put, horses are not raised for human consumption. They’re regularly given a host of drugs, medications and supplements that are clearly labeled that they are not to be used in animals that will be eaten and pose a serious threat to human health.
Banamine, Acepromazine, Regumate, Ivermectin, Adequan and so on.
A study published in the journal Food and Chemical Toxicology highlights the fact that at least one of the drugs regularly given to horses, Phenylbutazone (bute) is not only toxic to humans, but a carcinogen.
“Dangerous and deadly side effects began to appear within three years including bone marrow suppression that was fatal in many cases and a hypersensitivity liver syndrome that could culminate in liver failure and death,” stated Ann M. Marini, Ph.D., M.D., the senior author of the study.
There is currently no way to trace whether or not horses that end up in the slaughter pipeline have been given these drugs.
You do NOT need to eat meat to get complete protein. Its a simple fact. And, we DO NOT EAT companion animals like HORSES!
And yet we eat companion animals like rabbits.
I am a vegetarian and I am proud to be one. Those that truly care about these horses need to hit Top Chef where it counts the most – in the wallet. Top Chef values the almighty dollar over the welfare of these horses.
So here's the thing. If you think that vegetarians are idiots – let me remind you that Einstein was a vegetarian.
"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances of survival for life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet." Albert Einstein, physicist, Nobel Prize 1921
He only said that later in life....about the time he started questioning his own "theory's" now proven time and time again.
Its ok, everyone goes at little crazy at life's end.
So you think it's crazy to be compassionate? Do you think Ghandi was a daffy old fart too. He was a vegetarian.
Try using someone as an example whos NOT from a country where Cows are Sacred....And also, they same nation where they enslave Elephants for fun.
Well let's see here. Not from India? Okay how about. Pythagoras, Leonardo Da Vinci, Voltaire, Mary Shelly, Leo Tolstoy, Franz Kafka, George Bernard Shaw, John Coltrane...shall I go on???
Maybe this list is better...
Alan Moore
Alan Watts
Albert Schweitzer
Alice Walker
Amanda Feilen
Benjamin Spock
Berke Breathed
Carla Lane
Chandrashekar Subrahmanyam
Charles Darwin
Charlotte Bronte
Clive Barker
Colin Spencer
Ed. Diana
Emanuel Swedenborg
Ferriére
Franz Kafka
George Bernard Shaw
H.G. Wells
Henry David Thoreau
Henry Heimlich M.D.
Isaac Bashevis Singer
Jean Jacques Rousseau
Jeremy Bentham
John Robbins
Krishnamurti Jiddu
Leonardo Da Vinci
Louisa May Alcott
Mark Twain
Milton
Nikola Tesla
Percy Shelley
Peter Singer
Plato
Ralph Waldo Emerson
Ruth Rendell
Scott Adams
Serge Raynaud de la Ferriere
Sir C. V. Raman
Sir Isaac Newton
Socrates
Srinivasa Ramanujan
Steven Jobs
Thomas Edison
Tolstoy
Upton Sinclair
William Blake
William Wordsworth
Considering the education and caliber of accomplishments here I think it's safe to say that some pretty bright people agree that a vegetarian diet is the more human, ecologically responsible way to go.
You should change your name to PatientOne. Good luck with someone who thinks he knows more than Einstein and Gandhi and that less protein = a smaller brain.
I'm a little worried that our dear friend UFOSHIZZLE doesn't know who most of these people are. (Hangs head in disappointment with the lack of intelligent discourse in such a public forum)
1-2% of people are vegetarian; so it would follow that likely 1-2% of famous inventors, peace prize winners, etc., would be vegetarian.
There have also been serial killers, dictators, rapists, etc., that have been vegetarian.
Naming people who are or aren't vegetarian is anecdotal at best. It's pretty meaningless information.
Abbyful – And once upon a time about that per cent of the populace was literate, so stating that because things are a certain way they should remain so is intellectually dishonest at best. Should we keep the unemployment numbers the same because that's how it is now? How about crime rates? Living a compassionate lifestyle is good for the environment, it's healthier and the amount of grain that's used to feed livestock could feed about ten times the amount of people than the meat produced with it.
Personally I think that human achievement is something to be lauded and it's pretty incredible that some of the most remarkable people in history were vegetarians.
Humans are omnivores, that is a fact, millions of years of evolution has made us that way. You cannot compare social issues to biological ones; it's apples to oranges.
As far as being "healthier", not really. Sure, when you compare a group of people that watches what they eat to a group that may or may not, it may appear the statistics are in your favor; but they are skewed statistics. Omnivores that eat well are just as healthy as vegetarians. (Vegetarian and omnivorous diets can both be healthy; vegan diets not so much.)
If you buy meat from local independent farmers, you get healthier meat (leaner and higher in omega-3s). Cows shouldn't eat grain to begin with. Cows should eat grass; feeding them grain is bad for both the cows and the humans that eat the cows. Meat from corn-fed beef is significantly lower in Omega-3s than meat from pastured/grass-fed livestock and wild game. Most Americans have out-of-whack Omega-3 to Omega-6 ration; our ratios should ideally be around 1:1 or 1:2; in reality that are typically between 1:10-1:20. That is a HUGE difference from the ideal.
Farmers cannot grow the same crops on the same land year after year; it depletes the soil too much. Crops must be rotated and and summerfallowed (skip a year growing anything on the land).
Many of your independent family farmers raise both crops and livestock; and utilize their land for both. When the crop gets cut, the farmer moves the livestock onto the ground to eat the stubble for several months. This method may also be supplemented with hay; which is cut and baled from ditches and waterways. Most land that is solely used for animals and not crops, i.e. pasture, is on ground that is far too rocky, hilly, and/or sandy to be utilized from crops. It is not as simple as "use the land for crops instead".
I am also try to point out to the average person that it is not just crackpot weirdos that follow a vegetarian lifestyle. It is a healthful humane way to live and that there are admirable folks who have chosen the humane path.
Ultimately Abbyful – I'm trying to point out that eating meat has become unnecessary for survival. Considering how most of it is produced it is unnecessary cruelty. I understand that you pay attention to what you put in your body and try to purchase humanely fed animals from small farms but most people eating at a fast food restaurant don't (fast food chains are the largest producers of factory farmed animals). Most people are willfully ignorant of how the animals are treated during the process. It's factory farming that needs to stop. I ate meat for most of my life and simply could no longer financially support an industry that thrives on viciousness.
I can't support horse meat as a food supply in the US, or anywhere for that matter, as long as they continue to be slaughtered inhumanely. If you had to eat your dog, cat, gila monster or whatever, wouldn't you at least give them the dignity of a humane death?
I do not eat anything that had a heartbeat, name , face, or family, humans are subservient to their tastebuds and the only species egocentrical enough to think they are the only species that matter.
I will never eat horsemeat. Maybe you have only heard from a few vegans until now. Protein is in many other foods besides meat.Try reading your labels.
Plants have vascular systems, families (children), and they even breath (respire). Different species are plants are gregarious or solitary, predators or prey, and even migratory. I grant you that plants lack faces and a heartbeat, but they're no less alive than animals, and no less a part of the ecosystem (in fact, very much more so). If we go back far enough in time, toward the era of the common ancestor between plants and animals, we find protists, fungi and representatives of higher taxa that can only be described as plant-like animals and animal-like plants. Plants have even evolved many animal-like adaptions for survival. So I think there are no rational arguments against the consumption of animals for food. The "yuck it's got a face" thing doesn't really qualify as rational. It seems a little pedantic given we share so much more in common with plants than you realize.
The point your missing is that most animals have a central nervous system and the ability to form relationships and communicate. Of course we have to eat. Why not chose the option that minimizes suffering in the world. Your argument that plants and animals are the same is seriously ludicrous.
WiseOne, you're moving the goal posts. First it was faces and heartbeats, now its nervous systems and communication. What's next, thighs and knee caps? Male pattern balding and arthritis? Besides, you're the one missing the point. Any argument against eating meat based on comparative biology is fraught with self-contradiction because plants and animals share a common ancestor. Oh and, as a matter of fact, plants do communicate. This chemical communication can be thought of quite accurately as part of a decentralized nervous system.
Show me a pulse in a plant and then we can talk. I only know of one plant life with a central nervous system and has been extinct for thousands of years
Seriously SB? I guess since everything was created from stardust I guess that makes us equivalent to rocks in your mind? Having a common ancestor doesn't erase millions of years of evolution. If you seriously think that animals have no sentient nature you're an imbecile. Also to use your logic – Since I am a vegetarian and you have an ancient plant ancestor I can eat you? Faulty logic. Get a better argument please.
International JAMA Nutritional Doctors consider Vegan eating a HEALTH RISK....hmmm....yeah u can google that.
You need to shut you pie hole and leave people alone. just because someone is vegan doesn't mean you can pick on them. Yes being vegan isn't the best lifestyle to pursue. But then again, no one besides yourself wants to act like you.
Please stop watching reality T.V. Unless they agree to cook Donald Trump and Sarah Palin as the main corse!
Horses are not raised to be eaten for human consumption in the United States or Canada for that matter.
The EU has regs now on what horses they accept into their food chain.
The over population of horses is due to irresponsible breeders and the racing industry that send nearly half of their
race horses to slaughter. I dont care how poor I may become, I will not eat the horse, The American Icon,
further more the methods they use to slaughter them is inhumane, yet the proslaughter folks dont care how much an animal suffers for their almighty dollar. The way cattle and calves and hogs are treated should turn anyone off from
eating meat, and chicken as well. The mass production of factory farming has forgotten that a live animal suffers
and No way will I enjoy eating animal meat where an animal has suffered.
Our horse should be treated with the deepest respect of all animals; and what a benefit they can be to our economy
ALIve rather than dead. All steps of slaughter of the horse and many animals is inhumane. The horses transport often kills them before they arrive at slaughter. NO laws or rules are followed, its called LETS TURN OUR HEADS AND WE WONT HAVE TO SEE THIS HORSE SUFFER. The Good Ole Boy attitude.
Shame on the tv channel, shame shame on the chef, and shame on the representatives that have not
done their part to end the transport of our horses going to brutal slaughter. Watch the video of horse slaughter in Mexico, and if that is "humane" slaughter, well, we do have a very sick society. Wake up folks, The Horse Should be a
SACRED animal on this continent.
I'm sure you would pay to watch a human starve to death and suffer....as opposed to watching a horse suffer.
Slaughtering horse for food is not just taboo, it is a crime (at least in Illinois). Eating horse meat does not seem to be a crime, although no horse meat may be brought into Illinois unless is is ground to 3/4 inch dice and mixed with granular bone to make it unwanted by humans.
(225 ILCS 635/1.5)
Sec. 1.5. Slaughter for human consumption unlawful.
(a) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, it is unlawful for any person to slaughter a horse if that person knows or should know that any of the horse meat will be used for human consumption.
(b) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, it is unlawful for any person to possess, to import into or export from this State, or to sell, buy, give away, hold, or accept any horse meat if that person knows or should know that the horse meat will be used for human consumption.
(c) Any person who knowingly violates any of the provisions of this Section is guilty of a Class C misdemeanor.
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Sec. 2.1. No carcass or part of a carcass of a horse, donkey, mule or other animal of the genus equus shall be transported into or slaughtered in the State of Illinois, or held, kept, sold, offered for sale or given away unless it shall be ground, chopped or comminuted so that no piece shall be greater than 3/4 of an inch in any dimension and unless the mass shall be denatured by thoroughly and evenly mixing therein ground bone in an amount sufficient to be felt and determined by feel when rolled between the fingers
I should have added that since most laws in Illinois are bought and paid for, I would suspect that these laws were the result of the efforts and expenditures of beef ranchers and not of horse lovers. (This does seem cynical, doesn't it?)
How did the "horse meat" taboo start in the first place? Idealism (ie. veganism, vegitarianism, animal rights, etc..)? Popular misconception (ie. horse meat tastes bad, it's tough, it's unhealthy, etc..)? Empathy (ie. "Honey, you come right back here with that shotgun!", "No, Daddy, not Wilber.", etc..)? Ulterior motive (ie. beast of burden, transportation, etc..)? There are so many possibilities, it's hard to imagine it being just one thing. Well even if we can't trace this taboo back to its origin we can at least understand how taboos come into existence in general, and why they're so different between cultures. I think it's a fascinating subject.
It started because when horses were the backbone of transportation and agriculture, they were frequently worked to death and were unfit for human consumption.
Healthy horses never go to slaughter, not even in Canada. The majority of horses sold to slaughter are racehorses, which are similarly treated as a commodity and worked until they are injured or unhealthy. They are frequently treated with hormones and drugs that are unsafe to consume.
But not all slaughtered horses are racehorses; the rest are sick, elderly, or injured.
On a practical level, this is not fit meat for man or beast.
My unashamedly biased opinion is that only degenerate, brutal, inhuman oxygen thieves would eat horse meat.
I heard vegan was pretty good, but real hard to clean because they are so full of sh!%
I heard redneck was even better, all nice and fat and soft-headed.
The Human brain is all fat, or hardened calcium like yours.
Less protein = smaller brain size, its obvious with some of these meat haters that brain function is on the decline.
Sorry kid, it doesn't work that way. Brain cells don't regenerate therefore protein has nothing to do with brain size. Try again.
No doubt this has made an impact on your children, considering your intake will directly affect fetal development, your children must be on the bottom of the synaptic curve.
Babies born to vegan mothers can be behind in brain development compared to their peers.
Also, too much soy can actually hurt brain of adults. People who eat excess soy have lowered cognitive function and higher rates of dementia and Alzheimer’s as they age.
So your saying you don't have protein in your body?
People who make claims that one can't get protein unless they bite into a slab of meat are morons. The same category also claims one can't live healthy life style if left in the jungle. I for one been a vegetarian and live a very happy and athletic life style. No one is living in the jungle, we are evolved to use, cell phones, wear nicer clothes, show compassion. But some people think it is so sophisticated and cultured to wear a nice suit to a dinner while digging their teeth into a SLAB of blood dripping meat. They are nothing but barbarians.
So what happened to the greedy people of Easter Island who used up all their resources? They ate each other. I'm not a vegan or a vegetarian but the comments from the "immoral anything can be eaten who cares if it's cruel meat eaters" make me sick. The human population will continue to explode, we are destroying the topsoil with so much cattle. You are going to have to grow up and learn to eat less meat. Eventually the demand will be higher than the amount of food we can produce and most people won't be able to afford it like they do today. As a matter of fact food prices are already beginning to soar. For the people who are calling the vegans cultish and radical, what do you think you sound like? The fact is your eating habits will eventually resemble the rest of the world, less meat.
Soylent Green is perfectly logical. Why fight the future?
Yeah it will probably take over the cow just like Bison Meat was suppose to. Come on people think just a little bit. It is not in our culture and never will be to eat horse so get a grip and relax. Let the stinking French have their horsemeat glory and get over it. A little realization that there are other cultures out there might do everyone a little good.
Sincerely,
Get over it!!
I'm with you! Furthermore, we could take realization a step further and work for actual tolerance. Wouldn't that be something...
Agreed and thanks for the added wisdom.
Really the only reason eating horse is frowned upon is so Sarah Jessica Parker and Celine Deon do not end up on the menu by accident.
You know whats funny....there are almost NO TUNA left in the ocean...Almost NO sharks, and most other large oceanic creatures used for meat. HORSE ON.
Just because they don't raise horses to be part of the food chain in the U.S. does not mean they cannot be. I'm not sure I could willingly eat horse, but animal is animal. You either condemn all meat eating or accept it. If we weren't meant to eat meat, though, animals wouldn't be so tasty.
If Taco Bell made a horse meat burrito, I would eat it.
What makes you think they don't already?
As a recent convert to Paleo living, I can honestly say to all you vegans: more meat for me. Enjoy having your primary source of "natural" protein come from supplements made in a lab. I'm also curious how many of you non-meat eaters have any leather shoes, belts, or seats.
I agree! Paleo is really the way to go! It has been something my family has been trying to do more of (although 70% Paleo is about where I'm at on that journey). I think of the extra valuable years of life and the cut in medical bills compensates for the extra expense. Meat, is an essential part of this diet (as you know, Daniel). And although the pony-loving 9 year-old inner child cringes a little at the possibility of eating horse, I'd do it. The morality of eating horse is one issue; do as you please is how I feel about that. I just wish meat in general could be regulated better. Even the "organic" meat in my local grocery is questionable but the best I can do on my budget. I encourage others to educate themselves about where their food actually comes from and what hidden poisons are in it! Cow,pig,horse,dog,cat, whatever, that's all cultural. But, PAT ON THE BACK, for bringing up Paleo diet... I was hoping someone would mention it.
Go kosher. Not only is it clean and high-quality, it is also humane. Consider this: It is a sin and an affront before G-d to slaughter unclean meat; it is a sin to slaughter in an improper manner; and it is a sin for the animal to suffer. Kosher costs more, but anyone who has eaten kosher meat will attest that it is well worth it. It is even possible to produce kosher meat on an industrial scale.
Thank you very much for the suggestion! I will consider that.
This is not only a reason to boycott Top Chef but another reason, in addition to the slaughter of baby seals, to boycott Canadian products!
I thought it was well within the scope of the show and I really doubt that many of the regular viewers of the show would object. It's a French challenge and horse meat (and foie gras) is fine there.
People in other parts of the world eat things that are weirder (okay, not a good word to use, but its all I've got) than this, like bugs. While I will never eat horse or bugs, I'm not going to look down on someone else for doing it. However, Andrew ZImmerman makes me want to puke sometimes. I can't believe he eats some of that stuff.
I am creating another facebook group called Boycott Food Network – Save the cows and boycott Food Network – Save the greens to boycott everything else that 'goes against our nature'. I invite you all to join me in boycotting Food Network, and nature, thank you.
I myself am starting Boycott Food Network – save the retarded inbred idiots. They're not currently on the menu, but let's be practical here.
Boycott that show. Anyone who's ever been lucky enough to have had a horse for a friend knows why eating horsemeat is repugnant. I respect that other cultures are different and what they do at home is fine, but don't let that show see the light of day in the U.S. It's beneath us.
A horse for a friend? What about people who've had fish or cows or chickens or pigs for friends? Just because one animal is cuter than another, doesn't make it less tasty.
I raise horses. I also eat meat.
I do not eat horse meat. I similarly do not slaughter my dogs, or my children. I hunt.
I eat only what I kill and clean myself. I have done this to take cruelty out of my food chain.
I am also all too familiar with the methods used to slaughter horses in this country, and worldwide. They are cruel, slipshod, and unhygienic. This is also true of industrial methods for slaughtering pigs, chickens, cattle, and pretty much anything else.
Please. Call me a tree-hugger and a bleeding heart.
I have problems eating anything sentient. I find stinkbugs cute and can't smush them, despite the fact that they are a plague on the east coast. However, you can spend hours of your day working with a horse or a dog and at times your life can depend on how they regard you and react to you. Cuteness has nothign to do with it. Above all other species, they like us and try to understand what we need them to do. How could you "eat" that?
Easy there Mr Ed. Grab a salt lick and relax.
When Osama ben laden got to wherever he was going after being killed he was met by 100 Vegans.
Yes, Frank. Vegans are evil. Why is there always a 'Frank" in the middle of any serious discussion?? Not useful.
Anyone who has ever been to a horse slaughter plant and seen the cruelty involved would never touch a piece of horse meat. Add to that the chemicals that race horses have in their systems for months after they leave the track, and you have a recipe for disaster.
Horses are NOT raised as part of the food chain. To take them from a ranch, track, etc., put them on a truck designed for beef transport and slaughter them by the captive bolt designed for cows is about as inhumane as it gets. Disgusting to think of them as going from stable to table.
I'm wondering how many of you would starve if you woke up tomorrow realizing plants feel pain. lol
I ate horse in France. It was actually really good. I would def. eat it again if they sold it here. Anyway, if you really wanna know about nasty food go to korea; some restaurants serve raw meat, dog, and bugs. yum yum lol. I miss Korea...
C'mon people, eat and let eat. Does it really matter what the person sitting next to you is chowing down on? In the end, what we eat truly only affects us.
Can someone tell me honestly that eating any animal, or any part of any animal is more disgusting than the rest?? I would have to disagree. Any animal, or animal product still comes from a living, breathing being. With that said, a steak is mighty delicious, and chicken is great in just about any dish. My wife is vegetarian, so by proximity, I am as well, but occasionally, a good chunk of meat is great! People should pay attention to what is on their plate, and let the rest dine in pleasure. Its good to be human. When an animal attacks and kills a human, good for them, they deserve to get some back every now and then!
Where does magic Jesus sit with this issue....ohh nevermind, just drink his blood.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/03/100305-first-proof-gorillas-eat-monkeys-mammals-feces-dna/
May 2010 article about finding monkey remains in gorilla feces.
Did you even understand the article? They found DNA which could have come from ants or monkeys picking around for seeds in the gorillas feces.
And as for the argument that you would rather starve a horse. Let's visit that. In Canada they use a captive bolt which was designed for cattle, Horses have a long neck so can move very quickly to avoid the bolt that is aimed for their brain. Unfortunately a horse's brain is further back than a cows and is also difficult to hit because of the boney configuration surrounding.. Unfortunately a horse has the flight response so as he dodges, as the bolt is inadequate, as it misses its mark, many of these animals are not killed quickly. They are gouged, eyes hanging out, cheeks destroyed, hit several times before going down. They may not even be dead when they are hoisted by their leg and viscerated. As for Mexico, they just shove them in the killbox and a group of guys stab them in the spine until their spinal connnections are severed; fully conscious they fall to the floor and are viscerated alive. Now let's look at starvation. Just like a human, there is someinitial discomfort and then fatigue and finally expire. Which way do you think you would prefer to die? After each of you indignant horse eaters goes and spends time – just be part of the slaughter of one horse to see how it happens, then I would like to see you sit down smugly to your delicious meal that is the result of such torture. Bon appetite!
Thank you for posting this. Most people have no idea what goes on in a horse slaughter facility.
In the English speaking world, eating horse, dog and cat is considered taboo because they are viewed as more human than simply beast. The same goes for great apes, monkeys, whales, elephants and other intelligent creatures. I don't think expanding the meat menu is necessary laudable. And many of those cultures that eat these 'forbidden' animals don't have a particularly good track record when it comes to treating their animals humanely (or in many cases, even each other).
I'm French and horse meat has never been a traditional French dish, some people used to eat it sometimes but it was a very very very long time ago!!!!! And it's never been a French specialty, so it's ridiculous to give this excuse!
Top Chef Canada should do their homework: you want weird traditional French dishes to disgust your audience: snails and frogs! Other than that, same meat as American people, just cooked differently with sauces etc...
These shows are about shock value for ratings not reality.
Excellent point. I believe horse meat was traditionally a poor man's dish. I think the Belgians still do eat it. But it's gotta be on its way out at this point in the West.
People do not really understand or know where their food comes or what SLAUGHTER really is. They also do not want to know or else they would have stop and think or act or make a change. Everyone needs to go to equinedestiny.com and see what horse slaughter really is and then you tell me if you can eat the meat!
I have not read each and every reply, so perhaps this has been mentioned...but, during the 1970's wasn't there a beef shortage, or price hike which made it difficult for the average family to afford beef, and didn't we see some horse meat in US markets at that time? And wasn't there an episode of All In the Family where Edith Bunker fed horse meat to Archie and he didn't know and loved it? Did I dream this?
Archie becomes concerned when Edith begins attending Irene Lorenzo's church. Edith also begins wearing a Catholic medallion and gets literature on how to be Catholic. This leads Archie to believe that Irene is trying to convert Edith to Catholicism. Meanwhile, with the rising meat prices, Gloria brings home horse meat and makes it for dinner.
Season 4, episode 9 November 10, 1973.
I just bought a roast beef sandwich from Arby's. They asked me if I wanted any horsey sauce? I don't know how you make sauce from a horse, but it was pretty good.
Agree with Brandi, there is NO quarantine period for slaughter bound horses. Most of these horses consume Phenylbutazone, a Nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug which can be very harmful to the kidneys if consummed. Please visit http://www.equinedestiny.com for a great independent film about this issue
Those who are on there protesting the use of horse meat are purely hypocrites...Why are they JUST protesting horse meat? Why didn't they protest when veal, beef, or pork were used...Not to mention Bambi...Seems there were no problems throughout the show when they were using THOSE "ingredients"... What makes a horse rank so much higher? I am a vegan and have no problem with those who consume meat...It's their choice...I'm just in support for the animals who were given a humane life and death (which is rare... hence why I'm a vegan)...But, "activists" who are suddenly flooding the network with protests over horse meat are hypocrites. When it comes to the consumption of animals and animal rights...No animal is less...No animal is more...So, I'm for once with the carnivores on this one!
And I will follow up with...Don't argue that horses aren't killed as "humanely" because it's been proven that the majority of the animals slaughtered in the U.S. and elsewhere are NOT killed humanely and definitely don't live in a "humane" way before being slaughtered...Any YOUTUBE or public record search will prove that...So using lack of humane slaughter as a valid argument will just make you look like a complete idiot.
Well cannibalism is accepted in some cultures, who wants to volunteer to be the first person eaten on tv/ Leave the horses alone.
Sounds like a good segment for Fear Factor!!
Sickening enough...I think that's a show I'd probably tune in to!
Hello! Are we not a free country to eat and express what we want? Since closing the horse slaughter there have been more abuse case's and people sinply turning equine out in parks, because they cannot take care of them. I personally don't want my horses to get slaughtered, but I would do that before I would starve them. I thought we just got rid of one dictator in this world, and I think if I or any other person wants to eat horse meat then that is his or her choice. If all the vegetables in this world were poison and all that was left was horse meat, what are you going to do starve. Another little bit is the Humane Society of The United States. What a joke!!!!!!! These people have so much money and so many assets, but will or cannot buy a bale of hay to feed a bunch of starving horses!!! You check with your local Humane Society and they get none or very little funding from HSUS.. You people who chose to be vegetarians that is your choice. I have never seen a bunch of us meat eating people holding a protest outside a vegetable cannery!!!!
We used to be a free country until the plague of the Politically Correct descended upon us.
Whether you agree with eating horse meat or not the reality is that Canada has a horrible track record in the treatment of horses going for slaughter. No living creature should have to suffer torture prior to being killed. If you want more information you can find it in this article on Canadian Horse Slaughter industry http://www.hsicanada.ca/horses/horse_slaughter/
Yeah and I'm sure the cows, pigs, and chickens just have the Hilton of living conditions/slaughter...It's JUST the horses who suffer right?
Oh they absolutely suffer too, but it is taken to the extreme with horses because they are killed using equipment designed for cattle. Horses are obviously anatomically different than cattle, which often leads to horses being struck in the head multiple times with a captive bolt gun and hung by a hind leg as their throats are slit. Once again, because the captive bolt gun is designed for cattle, horses are often conscious during the entire process. Americans should push for better treatment of all food species, including horses.
I think we should consider the way an animal is killed before choossing to eat it. If an animal can be killed with a single shot so there is no suffering or torture, then so be it. The problem is they have yet to invent a way to slaughter horses in a humane manner. It is a torturous death. It is a reflection of who we are as a culture in how we obtain our food. Do we torture an animal to satisfy our appetite? There are so many things to eat, and things, cattle included, that die a reasonably painless death so why choose to eat an animal that makes us less than human in the process?
H$U$, PETA & A$PCA are all strategically planning a worldwide ban on Meat eating and Pet ownership. Everyone knows that PETA folks are insane, but how many of you know who and what the H$U$ & A$PCA is all about? They are radical animal rights groups that are using the ballot box in every state to get their agendas pushed on the American public. They do not want people to own animals anymore, and of course they do not want you to eat meat EVER! H$U$ 'claims' that they care about animals, but in reality, they only give TEN CENTS out of your $19 monthly donation to actually help an animal! The rest goes in their accessive lobbying and pension plans. A$PCA is the upcoming H$U$ sidekick. Why? Because PETA has lost so much credibility to their insane philosophies. Wayne Pacelle (Pres of H$U$) gets 'camera' time, and he 'appears' sensible and caring, but he is another Hitler in the making, and he and his Nazis are undermining the United States with his ANTI-AGRICULTURE ballot measures that he spends MILLIONS of donated dollars on in every state. Look at California and Florida for starters. Those states are collapsing from the inside out.......why?.....Because Agriculture is the glue that keeps the economy together. H$U$ spends MILLIONS on 'scripted' & 'staged' video clips to manipulate the unknowing public to pass their laws. Once they do, they leave the state, and so does all the revenue, which cripples the entire state. They are pushing their Vegan agendas on everyone, but people are too stupid to seek the truth! Just like this whole debate! Boycott a show because they are cooking an animal? Seriously? It's SO much better to watch them die a slow, painful death now, as no one wants the horses anymore, as their value is zero. People are turning them loose, and they still breed.........overpopulate, then starve to death. Yes, that is SO much better.
Vegans seriously need to stop murdering plants for food.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant_perception_%28paranormal%29
OMGOSH, yer so right....That GENIUS L.RON.HUBBARD....he PROVED that Tomatoes could feel pain....and HE"S NOT CRAZY...nor are his followers....I wonder if Kirsty Alley eats meat...YUP...i sat next to her bovine shaped person and she actually asked if she could taste my food...off my plate....i was eating MEATLOAF....and yes....thats actually true....
I hope that those considering eating horse meat will take a moment to look into the chemicals that are used for horses. If you start just with the de-wormers that are used to keep horses healthy (typically given every 3-4 months depending on the owners de-worming schedule), you will find that every single one of them is labeled as not for use in horses for human consumption. In fact a vast majority of the products used for horses (everything from wound care products to veterinary medications) have labels saying not for use in horses for human consumption (you can check this out by visiting your local horse supply store and reading the labels!). Many of these products do not have a withdrawal time in which to make the meat safe for human consumption.
Unless properly tested, the meat may not show the levels of toxic chemicals in it.
Some of the products used in horses are serious drugs used for humans. For example, Lasix is commonly used in racehorses and horses that do speed events. It is a very serious drug used for people with heart conditions and it is not something that is routinely tested for in horse meat. This is just one of the products used that people are not aware of. If this is in the meat that you eat, it can affect medications that you are on causing dangerous side effects. And you will have no way of knowing!
I encourage you to please be careful in regards to horse meat. It is not just about the horses, it is also about the safety of the people being encouraged to eat them (you). While I do believe that everyone has the right to choose what they eat, I do believe that they need to be aware of potential issues that face them from doing so.
I am not an "animal rights activist" as many people like to claim those against the use of horses for human consumption are. I am also not a vegan (or vegetarian), not a member of the HSUS, not a member of PETA, etc. I am a stay at home mom who has been researching on horse slaughter since I learned that it still existed nearly five years ago. In five years, I am still seeing the same problems with horse meat that I originally did. It is no safer today than it was then and the regulations put forth by the European Union are still not strong enough to make it safer. Many of the regulations depend on the honesty of the horse owners for your safety. While some may (and do) outright lie about substances that the horses have had, others may not be aware of the full list of banned substances and may not be aware of the fact that their horse has come in contact with those substances.
Actually this article is wrong. Horse meat is NOT a staple in these countries, it is considered a delicacy. It is eaten by the higher income people. Horse meat is actually expensive and costs more than beef, lamb, poultry, etc. They are expensive to raise, their bodies contain chemicals that are given to them from birth that are toxic to humans. This show is not only inhumane with their choice of showing this as an ingredient, but they are also being irresponsible by including such a dangerous ingredient and should have done their research prior to even considering this episode. As far as the french people and what they eat, nobody has ever claimed that as a culture they had class or intelligence and I am glad that even though my ancestors may be from there, that they chose to come to the USA where things like this aren't an issue and I have learned to make my food choices based on common sense, compassion and research instead of just eating the most taboo and expensive of things, regardless of the suffering it caused or the danger it could do to me. If people end up getting sick from eating horse after knowing the dangers involved and the supposed EU regulations on the horse meat/toxic drug connection, they deserve what they get. Eating humans is next for those idiots, mark my words, anything for shock value and prove their stupidity once again.
Absolutely NO. Just as with dogs, cats, certain raptors and others, mankind has forged a relationship and worked together, with increasing loyalty, joint effort and intelligence over the centuries, with these animals. To kill and eat them is ethically and morally wrong. Period. Can we hold nothing sacred or above ugly contempt and disloyalty? Nothing???
Who made that 'moral" decision??? You... Its food and protein a necessity in survival for humans unless you eat bugs and grass product, thats your choice, if you were swimming in a river and a giant fish grabs you, do you think the fish will stop to see how pretty you are and how morally wrong it is and then decide not to bite you and eat you up or maybe an alligator the same...We Americans get too involved with animals by making them personal pets that happen to be food. Then when someone want to kill an animal for food, we get all caught up and now its morally wrong, gimme a break. Who made the law that we only indulge in chicken, cows and pig...thats the American norm, who made it that, not you huh...but you went to KFC for fried chicken and you went eat a steak at Applebees, oh boy! those baby back ribs at Chilis were delicious but stay away from that horse, its morally and ethically wrong, gimme a break...
Who said that horse is for human substinence. Go check the prices. Is not for the poor that may depend on it to live
@Grace: Uh, how about life itself, as in survival? Folks like you, when confronted with a survival situation, are the ones who will have a complete mental breakdown. It's because your "advanced and civilized" thinking has completely lost touch with a simple reality. Nature is harsh and every day is a struggle for survival for ALL species on the planet. It's amazing how arrogant so many of us have become in our self image. You're lost in the wilderness. You can lay down and die next to your horse. I'll be lost somewhere in another wilderness area eating mine and surviving long enough to get rescued.
I say CHOW DOWN on the Horse, and STOP consuming as much BREAD, YOU FAT AMERICANS....
Horse is Delicious! I had some in northern Italy. Very tasty! YUMMMMMY!
Ordered a plate of salami whilst in Italy, at a rather nice trattoria. Absolutely some of the best salami I have ever tasted, and come to find out, it was horse. I see no reason why horse cannot be raised in a similar manner to beef or pork!
Why not eat horse meat? In other countries cows are like horses are to people in the US. Some countries grow them like cattle and there is no difference, except here in the US we see them at pets, ive been to france and have eaten horse unknowingly and it was good. Would I have eaten it if I had known? Probably not, but after the fact it wasnt bad. Unless your gonna step up and take in and care for all of the homeless horses we should put them to use instead of letting them starve and die a long miserable death in someones backyard. Also to whoever said the US is on its way to being vegan...what the heck are you on??? Sorry but there are many many people in the US including horse owners that would eat horse meat and arent going to go vegan. Sorry im not gonna survive on lettuce and tofu that crap tastes horrible....about the same as eating rubber!
During World War II rationing made beef a rare delicacy in cities but horse was plentiful and I've been told by some who have eaten it that it tastes good and one person tells me horse tastes better than beef.
Rabbit is the other cute meat.
Rabbit is not bad. I've had it several times. Won't go out of my way for it but it gets the job done and a little adventure (in food) is always good.
The only difference between eating beef or pork and eating dog, cat, and horse is the animal's attractiveness. PIgs in fact are more intelligent than dogs but few people have any problem eating pork but would be appalled at the idea of eating Fido.
If you want to protest something it should be the millions of cattle who live a very grim existence at industrial farms and feedlots. Ignoring the millions of mistreated cattle but boycotting over a few butchered horses is missing the forest for the trees.
Anyone truly concerned for the well-being of livestock should look at the bigger problem first.
Where can I buy horse meat in the US? Bought a cat off my neighbor kid yesterday and it turned out to be a good meal.
I commend the Canadian network for sticking to its guns and proceeding with the episode. Giving in to the animal rights extremist agenda would be the wrong thing to do. Fact is, horse meat used to be widely sold in this country and used regularly in pet food, among other places. An excellent source of drug-free meat would be a controlled harvest of wild mustangs that currently overpopulate federal lands.
C'mon. Vegans aren't all bad. The ones who have made their dietary choice based on personal reasons can be interesting to talk to. The vegans who have made their choice and stand on their soapbox preaching that anyone else who doesn't make that same choice for the same reason has something wrong with them, need to be recycled & retrained.
With the price of gasoline today,I'm gonna take care of my horsie for trips around town.
amen!
Rabbit is good too! One man's pet is another man's dinner. Just because Americans think its wrong doesn't make it so. I had horse in Belgium. It's very flavorful.
We are such a bass ackwards, arrogant society. What makes it even worse is our overall general lack of knowledge of things in the world outside of our country, yet we act like the world should all look at things the way we (some of us) do. *shaking head*
For the people who claim to know other cultures: most people in the world eat very little meat because it's too expensive, THEY ARE POOR. They eat a variation of rice, beans and vegetables with spices with a small amount of meat. Obviously YOU are not well traveled or knowledgeable about other cultures, you would know that. Exotic eating is for fat first world people who want to tell their friends that they ate it. Considering between 60-70% of Americans are obese maybe we should focus on healthier eating not gross eating like these shows promote.
Did not mean to reply to this thread even though it could apply to your comment.
Half of you who say you would eat horse meat wouldn't do it if you had the chance!
Cook it for me and I will eat it!
Unfortunately your statement has already been proven wrong. Many of those stating they would, already have. In my case I have eaten so many different kinds of animals that it would not phase me in the least... I still wonder why all of the fuss over this show. Come on. All it does it make more people want to see how it would be prepared and then try it themselves, if not with a different meat first...
Actually it hasn't. half of these people are probably lying to sound cool. EVEN YOU. of course i don't know if you are and will never know. I and many others know for a fact, and have seen it happen, people backing down from a challenge because their scared. BTW if you have had horse meat is very toxic so if you get sick sucks for you.
If we want to WHINE about an animal thats being "consumed" by humans that gives NO Benefit, lets try to convince the silly Chinese to stop killing TIGERS for MAGIC POTION POWDER....huh...how bout that....an endangered animal. Or all of Voodoo Africa, to stop killing Gorillas for HEX MAGIC POWDER....Lets have a go at an actual issue.
Great post. Watch the horse-whiners completely ignore it. Hypocrites...
I don't understand why people think that a person can only focus on one subject at a time. Many of us are concerned and working on these issues as well. Just because we are passionate about one issue doesn't mean that we aren't just as passionate and working just as hard on other issues at the same time.
Sure, tell me how you, or your buddies are working on either of the issues i mentioned.
It's probably a waste of time to reply to people whose minds are already made up, but I am just as concerned about tigers, white rhinos and gorillas. Since we are fighting superstition, we are fighting to save them on two different fronts. One is appealing to the governments of the nations who are lucky enough to have these animals in their borders to punish poachers to the fullest extent of the law. The second prong is to educate people to understand that there is absolutely nothing in those animals (or their parts) that can't be found elsewhere. @UFOSHIZLE, you are a unique case. You go out of your way to be offensive, then claim live and let live. When will you learn to do that yourself?
Horse = DELICIOUS..esp the when they're hamburgers.
Just because it's cuter than cows, pigs and chicken people get into an uproar. Their brains are about the size of a peanut and cows are smarter but who cares cows aren't cute or 'majestic.' Horses are still animals, tasty animals.
One man's pet is another man's dinner. Rabbit is also wonderful. Just because Americans think it's wrong doesn't make it so.
Meat is meat. I'll try horse, why not?
Some of the people on this forum act as though eating horse is the end of the road. I noticed one said that "we shouldn't eat horse because they are prettier than cows". I bet my life savings that he probably was chewing on a big cheeseburger while writing a reply to this story. Watch the Travel Channel with Andrew Zimmern and educate yourselves about different cultures of the world and their eating habits. You are so used of the big three (chicken, cows and pigs) that your mind is closed to any other cuisine, you know there are pretty cows and chicken too. Humans in general are meat eaters...any kind including horse, camel, zebra, wilder beast, alligator, bambi.... "Geez, that was a pretty chicken, I think I'll pass on this bar-b-cue"... Gimme a break and have a horseburger...
Word!
I see sooo much argument as to not eat the horse because of whats in it.
Its not that I agree with Horse eating because I absolutely disagree however, there are many valid points to be made in that, sometimes (very far and few between) we are forced in to the decision of sending one of these magnificent animals to slaughter! Now, I do have a problem with the fact that these redering plants are NOT designed to house and butcher an animal that is equiped with a sixth sense and knows EXACTLY what is happening. It knows that those ahead of it in line are going through a suffering none of them want to experience, it can smell the blood of their mothers spilled on the kill room floors, it hears their screams. The schutes are set for cattle, cattle relax when they are squeezed tight and will stand still allowing these men to aim correctly and shoot them with the bolt gun redering them unconscience to be bled out. Horses PANIC when cornered and will go into defence mode kicking and bucking just like at a rodeo, forcing these men to shoot them several times any where and everywhere there bolt guns will connect. 90% of the time, when the horse goes down it is from extreme exhaustion and they are strung up while still alive and gutted.
If you do not beleive these animals know whats going on, I have a perfect example for you to tell. We had to put down our old belgian Ben. We took him 1 mile into the feild where we had a hole dug for him to be burried. Our 7 other horses stayed up at the barn while we walked him down the feild. The moment that vet inserted the first intravenous, all 7 came rushing down the feild whinning and neighing reaching the top of the fence line and watched the whole time right up until the last shovel of dirt was put on him. they moped for almost 36 hours afterwords.
Just food for thought and perhpas a better understanding as to why we feel it is CRUEL and not right to butcher our horses. Beef, pig and chicken are raised specifically for human consumption. (not that i eat it but, I do understand it). Deer and wild game in the woods hunted as sport, I do not agree with however, game hunted for survival , I do agree with.
There is always to sides to every story, not to say one nor the other is right and most is of personal opinion however, I do NOT agree with horse slaughter for the simple fact they were meant as a working animal and not for human consumption and, the method in which they are slaughtered is completely unacceptable. I am truly surprised that Temple Brennon has never been broached on this delicate subject and asked if she could design something like she did for the cattle plants.
Canadian Mcdonalds has been using horse meat in quarter pounders for years.... really :P
Not only is slaughtering horses cruel it is also very toxic for humans to eat...As an American owner of two horses I can assure you my horses are not meant for human consumption ...they are wormed regularily, given supplements, vaccinated and also receive Bute when needed.. All of the packaging says DO NOT USE FOR ANIMALS MEANT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION ... This is not some made up stuff that I am saying to try and convince you not to air the episode it is FACT ...I invite anyone that disagrees to spend a little time and do the research ...Our horses that are bought by kill buyers end up in Canada or Mexico to be slaughtered ...It is Fact and the Dept of Agriculture produces a report stating the actual amount of horses, ponies and donkeys and other live stock that come across the border for slaughter. I have lost alot of respect for the food network and seriously do not think I will ever watch another show on their network.
Lets see you use that defense when a starving kid asks you for something to eat...bet you weigh in at about 300lbs....I'd put money on it.
Yes Jackie, you are correct that consumption of pet horses/race horses/working horses does carry a significant risk due to the adulteration caused by vaccines/dewormers etc. However, because you are a horse owner and against any use of horsemeat for any purpose, you conveniently omit the currently problem regarding wild mustang overpopulation on federal lands. An excellent source of drug free horse meat and $$ would be a controlled harvest of these animals, both for domestic and overseas consumption.
You make a valid point. I am a horse owner, but I (and many other horse owners) do not disapprove of the consumption of horse meat. However, the way horses are currently slaughtered for human consumption is totally unacceptable. Horses are transported and killed using equipment designed to process cattle. This leads to an excruciating death for the horses involved. If horse slaughter were done more humanely, I would not have an issue with it.
Awww those purty little horses,...See animal rights gimps would let children starve to death rather than eat an animal thats considered "cute". So where are these PETA freaks view on world hunger? Its ok for humans to starve to death as long as Mr. Ed is not on the menu. Something tells me that if these "vegans" were starving, "Mr. Ed, and Lassie" would be the first thing they put in their mouths.
So happy to respond to you. I'm 59, and I am a goodwill ambassador for UNICEF. I started working for them when I trick-or-treated at age 9. That's 50 years for the math challenged. I consider humans and other animals ALL worth protecting.
What do you do to make the world a better place? I'd think you'd have more compassion for horses since you're the rear end of one.
My goodness. All this PC hand wringing!! Listen up, people. Food is food. Period. At some point it is either eat something or die. There have been times in man's history that he has resorted to cannibalism in order to survive for another day. I'd like to see some of you folks in an emergency situation where there was you, your spouse, your two children and your pet horse. The circumstances are you either eat the horse or your family dies before it can be rescued. What's your choice? As heart rending, sad and traumatic as it would be, I would save my family with that horse and thank it's spirit for sustaining us. People in different cultures around the world regularly eat animals and insects that you or I would almost regurgitate on the spot at just the thought. All you vegans and PETA-heads have the right to your opinions. What you don't have the right to do is force the world to live by your opinions. If you don't want to eat horse meat, please don't. But to try to start a worldwide boycott over something like this is just downright obnoxious and an affront to the rights of individuals. Food Network Canada absolutely gave the correct response.
I raise horses for recreation but don't have a problem with those that raise them for food. I wonder how many of those protesting know that thousands of wild horses are euthanized each year in the USA because they breed rapidly and homes cannot be found for them all.
Euthanasia is far preferable to the trip to a slaughterhouse
Did you know some are tamed and then used for riding. Not all of them are put down. Although, that would be better then shot eight times in the head before dying.
I think what many people are missing in this anything goes "discussion", is the fact that most horses in Canada (or North America if you prefer) have been exposed to chemicals which are toxic to human beings – Banamine, Acepromazine, Regumate, Ivermectin, Adequan and so on – these are but a sampling of the toxic (to humans) chemicals found in horse meat. Currently, there is no way of tracking this in individual horses. It is rather astounding to me that France (or any other country) would permit these toxic carcasses into their country and allow them to be sold for human consumption. I do not wish to get into the so called morality of eating horse meat – but considering the health risks associated with eating horse meat which this article did NOT bother mentioning, I do not think that the poll as presented is valid.
Hey, right here in the good ol' USA the government facilitates (over the strenuous objections of consumers) the dairy industry's feeding their cattle BGH. They won't make milk producers indicate on the cartons that the milk was produced by cows given BGH so that consumers (who have clamored for this disclosure) can make an informed purchase. You've got government sanctioned genetic engineering of vegetables that are then sold to the public without any disclosure (again, even though consumers want to be able to easily identify these products and decide whether or not they want to feed them to their family). It's all about giving business what they want and screw the consumer. We live in a corporatocracy... a government of business, by business, for business. Lobbying should be illegal.
Wait until you see the dolphin episode!
Fillet ‘a Flipper
LMAO!
horse is too chewy, like bald eagle.
Exactly why the U.S. should be vegetarian. I can't separate a horse from a cow.
Idiot – obviously the one that says "moo" first gets thrown on the grill! See it's not that hard.
I could never eat horse meat. Like said previously it would be like eating dog or cat meat.
These animals are pets.
Cows, pigs, sheep chickens etc are what I and many others have been brought up to think of as "meat for the table"
@Hellbindercda Why exactly do you believe that YOUR beliefs trumps everyone elses. You also have no idea about any of those things you mentioned, along with whether or not there is a GOD. Please, leave you fanatical religious rhetoric for the fundamentalist message boards.
Thank you!
It's made from people! Soylent Green is made from people!
Needs a bit of salt.. and maybe a dash of pepper.
Save the horses! They are way more beautiful than chickens or cows thus more important.
The horse is a noble animal and has proved its nobility in battle. Any chef or other who thinks otherwise is wrong. Its like eating your dog for godsakes absolutely barbaric.
I meant to say YOU SHOULD NOT BUTCHER HORSES AT ALL!
People are crazy. I understand countries that have nothing to eat except horse but places where food is plentiful is insane. Horses have helped man throughout history and this is how we repay them. Honestly if you've ever looked into the eyes of a horse you can see intelligence. This show is wrong no matter what anyone says and I intend never to watch it.
Pigs are more intelligent than a horses but not smart enough to keep of my dinner plate.
(remove the "a" before the grammar police get me!)
What makes one animal more edible than another other than it's BBQabilty?
Congratulations! Your heart is now made of stone and your stomach must be the size of an elephant. I must ask if you've ever truly met(face to face), rode or looked up famous horses. BTW in the Battle of Little Big Horn a horse named Comanche was the only U.S survivor. Are they still not smart enough to get eaten by you?
I have horses and love them, but if it came to food or no food you do what you must, plus living in a rural area where there are alot of horses and because of the horse market being closed to forein countries now they cannot not sell them and have no money to feed them some are poor and starving others simply have turned them loose, is this more inhuman than sending to a slaughter house. also OUR government pays ranches pay thousands and thousands of dallors each each for wild horses to be taken care of, our tax dallars to make sure they are feed. But have you looked around at our elderly on fixed incomes, food and housing, they are starving and people and the govenment are more worried about these horses. For those who say "NOT THE PRETTY HORSES" they also have a mind of your own and can kick your head off if they've a mind too, it's obvious you've never owned one.
You should kill and butcher any animals the way you do. How would you like to be taken to the butcher shop and be hung up and stapped many times until you die. You have no feelings at all for the things God put on this earth for us to enjoy. There are other ways to find food. All these countries thaat eat horses are sick people. They should be shot.
FIND ANOTHER WAY!
Animals are animals. Meat is meat. Eat whatever you want. A cow, a horse, a deer, a chicken, a cat or a dog. Who cares? It all involves killing a living, thinking animal and eating it. That's what happens all throughout nature.
moooo...
At this point the horses are already dead and the meat has been eaten. Pulling the show isn't going to bring them back...
Ehh.., Meat is meat. Big deal.
i wouldnt cook it, and i wouldnt eat it. it's a horse...an animal used to build this country. yes, i said build. if not for the horse, fields would have taken a LOT longer to plow when settlers first came here... they are a means of transportation and beautiful creatures. i'm not saying that a cow is less than, but cows are providers of many things: milk, cream, beef, fertilizer, etc... their purpose is to provide food in some form or another and it is no less valuable than the purpose of a horse. just different... tangent here i know...but to each his own. dont like it, dont do it and quit hating on those that feel/think/do differently than you. it's not immoral or criminal to eat meat...me personally – horse meat? not happening. and i certainly hope i never see it in my grocery store.
Dog food has not had horse meat in it in the USA for decades. Perhaps the next show will be a gourmet cat cooking show or how different breeds of dog meat relate to the gourmet dishes. Frankly we can go as far as adding a show for Human flesh, I am sure there are people out there that would eat it. It would be gourmet of course .
Probably French......with crappy small portions.
Eating one of my two dogs or one of my two horses? Are you out of your mind! That said horses and dogs help us build civilization. With that in mind they deserve a special place in the animal kingdom.
Please don't mention China – they eat everything including bugs, cats and dogs. Their food does not qualify as Haute Cuisine – I am sorry.
If we were to start eating horse en masse in the US or Canada, they would be from the wild population, or most likely eventually farmed specifically for feeding purposes. In those cases, they would likely not be treated with Bute, as they are now to keep them as good pets or racing animals.
That was meant for a different comment. Will repost.
Doubt it, because most americans are against horse slaughter. do you know how cruel horse slaughter is? Do you care if a breathing animal has their eyes gorged out for transport? Mares give birth in the kill floor. A horse is a flight animal unlike a cow or a chicken. There are a lot of things wrong with this industry and people like you all continue to promote it. Horses are pets, not food animals in this country
@Yanni, would you eat Fido or Kittie too? You sound like a wonderful guy
Um, the wild horses are not free of prohibited substances. The horses rounded-up and released were treated with bute for injuries and also wormed. Both meds are prohibited in food animals. Horses in North America and not raised as food animals and are not safe for human consumption. Last year, renowned chef at Pangaea Restaurant in Toronto, Martin Kouprie, removed horse meat from the menu because slaughterhouses cannot tell him where the horses come from and whether the meat is free of toxic substances. "I cannot in good conscience serve that to my customers," said Kouprie. "Every ingredient in my kitchen has a story, and if I don't know that story, I cannot serve it."
Why not eat horse? Its just another flesh of an animal, and what ever happened to freedom? My vegan wife wouldn't eat it, but she has that freedom too.
This is for a commet from "Kamala Karuna," "When you have to worry about the next e-coli, salmonella and mad cow outbreak – we veggies will be sittin' pretty" ummmm you know nothing about outbreaks of vegetables for that matter, most outbreaks come to vegetables only due to how they are grown in the states, ever heard of GMO's, this is what is used to help feed America in the produce secion of your super maket, unless you grow your own produce or buy 100% organic your comsuming GMS's which current studies from doctors show this is what they believe is cauing the cancer outbreak in states currently. But who am I, I'm just a chef who is all for the slow food movement through organics and properly raised meats, and yes even horse when the opp presents itself. To everyone stop eating fast food and join the Slow Food Movement of the world. =D
So it's cool if we feed the horses to our dogs, but not to ourselves? So does this mean it's OK for my dog to eat cats? Cause I am TOTALLY OK with that!
Vegans are some of the most barbaric people I have ever had to endure meeting. Heartless in their cruelty, they are scientifically proven to be less healthy. To be pitied all the way around. There is legislation in the Colorado house to equate pushing an all vegan diet as a form of child abuse.
Truth, there's nothing wrong with being Vegan. I was never as healthy as I was when I went vegan.
I wonder about the children as well, they never mention how they feed them here or maybe (hopefully) they don't have any. We had a couple here that were brought up on manslaughter charges for feeding their infant a vegan diet and she died of malnutrition...just sayin.
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF NOT THE PRETTY HORSES!
Used to hate them until I ate them!
Horse meat I say do whatever, seems silly but whatever. However foi gras is pretty darn cruel...
PETA can &%$# off. Bunch of low-class, brainless imbeciles.
Nothing wrong with horse meat.
Like it or not, we as humans are meat eaters. Get over it or feel free to rid yourself of that horrible guilt by removing yourself from the gene pool.
Have any of you tried horse meat?? It's actually a lot better for you than beef. I own a horse. Do I agree with the method of killing horses – NOT AT ALL. The industry is a viable one if the processing of the animals is not inhumane. Do I find eating dogs and cats disgusting – YES. But some cultures do not. Do I approve of people going out and cutting off the tusks of elephants and rhinos for the ivory – Absolutely not. But bottom line, the industry is always going to be there, there will always be a demand for meat – whether it be that pretty little lamb to the lowly beef cattle.
Horse thieves tried to steal a horse at my stable to sell to slaughter for shipment to Japan/France. he bolted and got away. but people don't realize that they are most likely eating someone's beloved family pet and it's not a part of the story. Where are these horses coming from? If you ever had a dog or cat you loved and who had served you well, imagine how you would feel. We got our horses microchipped after that incident as horse thieves get good money for selling stolen animals to slaughter.
While visiting my son who was working in Switzerland, we ate at a top end restaurant that served horse meat. I can not tell you what they called it, but it translated " little pony ". It was delicious. Would definetly eat it again.
Regular people don't engage in exotic eating because it's expensive, that's why it's served in a "top end" restaurant. The whole gross eating trend that these shows promote is elitist not normal.
oddly enough, for centuries, horse meat was a staple of many "primitive societies>" It is still used in many modern nations... not only an elitist food as you would like to think, but hey... To each his own... Personally, I have tried many foods that people said were delicacies and did not like them, but then Iguana was delicious. If I ever get the chance I would love to try horse meat prepared correctly.
I made a huge pot of horse tail soup this weekend...I really can't get enough.
Yanni, you sound like a real jerk!
CNN You post this with a photo of what appears to be mustangs running free..Why not show a photo of what it looks like for a terrified horse before it's slaughered? Almost all US horses are treated with "Bute" it's touted as the asprin of the horse world. This drug is not considered safe for meat being raised for human consumption, how is this meat OK for export and human consumption? There is a big loop hole here!
good point. killing a terrified horse might make the meat all gamey tasting. give it a carrot and a nice brush first. then kill it and eat it.
To All the Clowns with the clever comments..EAT UP! You deserve all the adrenaline, hormone filled Phenylbutazone laden meat you can get..God Bless Freedom of Speech.
@Tara – Relax don't get your stirrups all in a ruffle
Excellent point! Bute is actually toxic to people but a wonderdug for horses. I don't think most here are too concerned with safety as a large number of horses that enter the food chain are stolen from stables and sold into slaughter. We had to microchip our horses after a botched attempt.
If we were to start eating horse en masse in the US or Canada, they would be from the wild population, or most likely eventually farmed specifically for feeding purposes. In those cases, they would likely not be treated with Bute, as they are now to keep them as good pets or racing animals.
There is a new documentary coming out on the Travel Channel where Ted Nugent and I go horse hunting with blow guns and then fire them up on his Texas grill!
yummmmm... horsey. Wonder what a t-bone tastes like?
Just because something is considered by some to be "traditional", it's may not be the right thing to do.
The only good horse is a dead horse! Braised and served!
Yanni, you obviously don't know horses
I prefer Arabian…but then I like dark meat.
"... to use animal meats. It's pretty barbaric." Well, at least Americans aren't cannibals.
The BOYCOTT group on facebook alone has over 3,700 followers as of today. It's been up 6 days. Compare that with the 3,200 fans the show itself has after having its page up for all this time. How many more people need to speak up and say they don't want to see a horse cut up for a tv cooking contest!?
It is a myth that this is "authentic" French food. Sure, it was promoted as safe to eat during WW1 and WW2 because there was no food left. But this is not WW2. We're not starving. The French are shunning horsemeat and it's fallen into a little forgotten niche.
Tough economy...I'm starving, starving for horse that is. The neighbor is still trying to figure out where "Ole Bessy" went!
That's pretty shameless and not funny at all Yanni. Horse thieves actually did try to steal my horse to sell to slaughter to sell overseas. Sounds like you never had a pet you loved or put anything before your tastebuds...that could be pathological but hopefully not contagious....
Maybe was not funny, but I laughed until I almost fell out of my chair....
Just because America is full of OBESE FATTYS, does not mean there are other places in this world that could feed 100 people from your carcass....wait....are you a FAT LAZY HORSE lookin person?
Horse meat is so dangerous to eat. They aren't grown for food. They are race horses and pets and camp ponies. They are full of drugs both legal and illegal. They are bought by dealers and shipped from the US into Canada and Mexico.
Not to mention the fact that our history was carried forward on the backs of horses. They do hold a special status and should be treated as such.
Ohh @SUE...."our history was carried on the backs of horses"....You could say that about any important item of transportation or consumption...And horses are no longer anything but pets these days...so they have less use than before. If we want to WHINE about an animal thats being "consumed" by humans that gives NO Benefit, lets try to convince the silly Chinese to stop killing TIGERS for MAGIC POTION POWDER....huh...how bout that....an endangered animal.
@UFOSHIZLE: You missed the point of the previous comment and decided to be an arrogant idiot. Horse meat is dangerous, but maybe you should eat some and find out about that yourself.
@whatever So, i have to respond to the part of the statement YOU want me too ehh?
Sorry, just like your broken logic circuits, It doesn't work like that gimp. Pick a battle your more apt to win, like a stare-down with a mirror.
they would lose that too.........
Wow you are just too smart and witty for the rest of us. Enjoy your ignorance.
AAAAAAAAAAAH.... Ignorance is Bliss and so is a fine cut of meat properly seasoned and served with roasted veggies and a nice side of sweet Ice tea.....
Its it wrong if I rooted for Animal Kingdom during the Kentucky Derby?
I like cow. I like pig. I like mutton, if it were cheap (Why is it always from New Zealand?). I like vegetables. I like fruit. I like insects. I would like horse, if it were available. There is just no variety of local foods in the Americas from what I see. I suppose it has to be imported from France in order for it to be considered palatable horse meat. Why can't we buy local venison. It's always imported. Shameful.
Snake, ostrich, elephant, buffalo. As long as they label it... Eat whatever makes you happy.
It's not only the wild horses that are being shipped to slaughter! Some of them are T'breds with bloodlines that trace back centuries. Some of them are stolen from people's pastures! Yes, horse thieves do still exist! Most of these horses are not old, sick, or injured, as the slaughter industry would lead you to believe. These horses are healthy & at good weights. Do you ladies want to know about the hormone drugs that you take? Well, they are made from pregnant mare urine, & do you know what happens to the babies born to those mares? You guessed it, a large majority of them go to the slaughter houses! BABIES!!! More often than not, when the mares can no longer foal, they are shipped too. Some have even given birth on the floor of the slaughter houses.
We won't even go into the fact that these horses, who by nature are flight animals, are shot by bolts designed for cattle & are often not killed when they are hung up & their throats cut.
Also, most horses who did belong to someone are full of drugs that are not suitable for human consumption: bute, steroids, various wormers. These drugs are known to have carcinogens & cause cancer in humans.
So, do you really want to eat horse meat now? I know I don't!
sounds like bleeding liberals complaining that one animal being used for meat is more barbaric than another... HORSES ARE PRETTY, NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Like eating a horse is any different than a cow. Cry some more vegan, vegetarian, peta loving liberals.
@ mitch, cows are raised for meat, horses are not. Typical pro horse slaughter response. Stick to the subject and follow the bouncing ball. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HORSES. Not cows, chickens, goats, guinea pigs. The slaughtering of horses is very different to the slaughtering of any other animal
Meat is meat. Eating one animal isn't any different from eating another. How's that bouncing ball now? Hypocrite. Horses aren't mass culled like cows are, but that's ok, eating one animal over another is entirely justified because of one is considered a pet rather than another. Typical meat eating hypocrite. It's ok to eat one animal but not another. Food is a matter of taste. Instead of pretending like horses are being slaughtered so inhumanly, how about you just say... 'I don't care to eat horse meat'. Done and over with, opinion stated. You could further state that it's because of the taste, texture, and more so... that's you're a bleeding liberal over how animals are killed for consumption. But you don't, you just object to it without providing any real justification, just that it's inhumane. If it's so inhumane, go become an ultra-strict vegan.
Moony: How is the killing and eating of a horse any different from any other animal? Typically, you put something through the animal's brain or cut it's head off somehow. That kills it. Next, you cut that head off and string it up upside down and make sure all the blood drains out. Then, you cut open the abdomen and pull out the parts that are no good: Intestines, etc...
Once the animal is blood free and, you start cutting off pieces of meat.
Is the way this is done to a horse really any different from the way this is done to a cow or a fish or a chicken? No.
Wow. I had some poor sentence structure, types and grammatical errors in my post. Please excuse them and ignore them while reading it.
@johnny: the article itself stated why horse slaughter is different that the slaughter of cattle etc. Horse slaughter is done with equipment designed to kill cattle and not horses. Therefore, the horses are not efficiently or humanely killed because they are anatomically different than cattle. Many horses are struck repeatedly in the head with a captive bolt gun, hung by their hind leg and have their throats slit while still conscious because the equipment used is not designed to kill horses. This doesn't even include the transportation of horses in double-decker trucks designed for cattle, which is a similarly horrifying experience for the animals. If the horse slaughter process were more humane, I would have no problem with the consumption of horse meat. Do some research before commenting.
Hey, don't dis PETA .... I am a card carrying member of People Eating Tasty Animals...... (oops, NRA)
Disgusting that this would even be deemed acceptable. Exploitation of the worst kind.
This chef should work on his mouth and how he treats people. Sick of him!
If we shouldn't eat horse meat, then who came up with the phrase "I'm so hungry I could eat a horse?"
the first Vegan. What he actually said was "I'm so hungry I could eat a horse-turd salad"...along with a bowl of suppliments to balance my diet.
If you feel like you are specially chosen to convert the planet from the meat based diet we've had since we crawled out of the trees, be my guest but remember that, in the end, food, like so many other things in life including television viewing habits, is a personal preference. And ease up on sanctimonious rhetoric. It doesn't change anyone's mind and just makes you annoying, not more "evolved"
Maybe we should just focus on being more humane to the animals we do eat. Factory farms are cruel places where animals are sometimes mistreated by the workers. Or chickens are placed in cages to small to move in and crap on each other. I'd like to be a vegetarian, correctly practiced it's much healthier life style but I'm too lazy to take the time to manage my diet that closely and I like an occasional steak or roasted chicken.
The reason chickens are caged and not allowed to move, is that the more they move, the tougher they are. Ever try to eat a free ranged chicken that has been allowed to run everywhere? Only good for soup as they are so incredibly tough. How do I know? Grew up on a farm with free ranged everything. Raised turkeys, geese, chickens, swans, pigeon... if you let the big birds run around they get too tough to eat as anything but soup.
"Trigger"...he's what's for dinner!
Too many la-la land, lack of reality do-gooders out there. Horse meat is a viable source of protein, get over it already.
Would you like your bute with ketchup or mustard?
...Horseradish ...
Try horse heart! Its lean yet gelatonous, horsey, grassy, and tastes like chicken!
Most of the "horse experts" on here have no idea what bute is or how dangerous it is to consume horse meat.
I love horses. Was brought up and raised around them. Rode them for a very long time, hell they are like pets for many people. Saying that, people have eaten them for hundreds of thousands of years. Just like people get shocked when people eat guinea pig, that's what guinea pigs were originally for. They were raised by the Incans as one of the earliest domesticated food animals. If something is cute, somewhere, along the way, will throw a fit about eating it.
No matter what you feel about this issue, in terms of would Americans go for it? The sad answer is that there are some people out there who would do it just for the sole purpose of offending those who are against it. They would do it not out of true interest or need for horse meat, but just to flaunt in the face of opponents, like wearing thier guns to an open public forum.
I don't wear guns to flaunt in public, I wear one in case I see a horse!
I was also thinking, Native Americans ate horses. Didn't the U.S. Army eat its horses? I think the taboo of Americans not eating horses is a recent development.
Yes, you speak the truth, but some would only admit things that bolster their points of view.... Animals were put on this earth for us to eat.....What is the difference between eating a horse, a bull, and a deer or elk or moose or well you get the point. They are a source of food for most of us. The idea that "most Americans are becoming vegans" is an absolute fallacy.....
I agree with you. It is a recent taboo. I was reading a book on Lewis and Clark last year. They ate horses as did the Native Americans. Lewis and Clark also ate dog meat. They never wrote in their journals that they were conflicted about eating that type of meat. I'm not saying I'd like to go to the store and buy any horse or dog to cook up, but just because it's not the norm in our culture anymore, doesn't mean other cultures have to agree.
There will always be those people who will look for something to boycott. I personally believe that we can eat any animal on the planet, thought some are harder to kill than others. Yes, I have eaten Yogi (oops I mean bear meat). Think about the fact that there are people all over this planet starving to death... Think about the fact that people have eaten rats, dogs, cats and anything else they could to survive from time to time. Horses have been a food source for centuries. They were not really trusted carrying loads in many places as donkeys and burros are much more stable and sure footed...
A vegan lifestyle is an excellent way to rid yourself of the many ailments that plague americans.
Yeah. Like a healthy complexion.
I love the plague, the bubonic was my favorite.
Especially over reliance on supplements...
But those are all-natural, right?
Well, except for two: Protein and iron deficiencies. ;)
Horse slaughter is un-humane and that is what has so many of us angered by this topic. The use of the cattle slaughter houses for horses is unacceptable due to the fact that the horses are not killed on the first..second even third or forth try and the screaming from these animals is heard and felt by the ones that are waiting their turn. The horrible stress on them before their end is unnecessary and cruel.
It would only take the making of a new Equine 'system' to put an end to their suffering before they are slaughtered, but of course I suppose that takes MONEY and that seems to win over the kindness to our Equine companions welfare.
I wonder if any of you...Food Network, have actually taken the time to watch the videos taken inside the slaughter houses...sit and make yourself watch so you can see what you are so easily ignorant to. The one shot cattle gun does NOT work for horses!! Horses have been proven to be more cognitive a creature as well..and when left in line behind the scrambling, screaming, tortured fellow Equine in the shoot that is being shot over and over, the KNOW what is coming for them and cannot escape. Quite the end to the loyal pets, racehorses, ponies that have broken down due to uncountable children going for pony rides, quest ranch horses for the city slickers delights, the back yard breeders too that just have grown tired of their pasture pet, and the lame, neglected, and old horses that will not be able to get the dignified end they deserve.
Hope that this makes some people think...and possibly watch the videos available of what they go through. And the excuse "well chickens and all the meats we eat go through slaughter too" will not fly ..because their processes are MADE for THEM...but for some reason we feel it ok to just hack away at the horses.
great post. Nature has a way to punish the offenders. It is called Karma. Japanese just saw it. Others are just waiting their turn. Cries of Animals can reach Gods ear.
Are you suggesting that the earthquake and subsequent nuclear disaster is because the Japanese eat horse? Classy.
Remember it isn't just the old, lame, worn-out that go to kill. All it takes is one more horse than buyer at the myriad low-end sales, and that horse ends up on the truck. The packers don't need to take the horses that are too thin or sick to yield well – they make more money from the ones in decent health and weight to survive the trip.
If all of the horses going to kill were the 'byproducts' of the Premarin industry, bred and raised in a manner similar to cattle, it would be one thing. But remember, we've done it to ourselves, and our horses, by continuing to breed in excess of demand, which applies to big breeders as well as to the 'backyard' breeder with a mare or two, which may or may not have papers let alone the quality and merit to be bred. And until we look ourselves in the mirror and recognize that healthy horses go to kill because we produce more than we need, we can't be all that self-righteous.
I happen to love horses...right next to the mashed potatoes and gravy!
I work full time for a 501 c non profit horse rescue. The issue isn't so much as to whether this is barbaric, but horse, especially in the western hemisphere is very dangerous. The FDA approves medication specifically for horses, that horse owners tend to self medicate their horses with because vet visits are triple the cost of a typical house hold vet. Medications such as Bute can be fatel and cause a myriad of health defects when ingested by humans. That alone should be one reason not to promote horse meat. But in addition to that we have anywhere from 77,000 to 90,000 horses sent across the border to mexico or canada to be slaughtered for meat consumption. As horses are not raised and bred for consumption in the US, all of these horses are pets or preforming athletes that are too old to compete aggressively. USDA estimates that one out of three horses sold to slaughter for .30 cents on the pound is sound and able for riding and pleasure ownership. How sad is that? How senseless is it? And why try to pass this off as acceptable? Because it unquestionably is not.
E-coli contanimation is largly a part of industrialized farming. Just 2 weeks of grass-feeding to grain-fed cows reduces the risk of e-coli contamination to virtually nil.
Salmonella recalls are more common in produce and plant-based products (spinach, peanut butter, etc) than meat.
Mad cow is only contracted if you eat the brain or spinal cord of an animal with the disease.
You need to brush up on your research, the lipid hypothesis has been debunked. http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/uncategorized/the-lipid-hypothesis/
Oops, this was supposed to be a reply to Kamala Karuna's post.
Animals taste good. Humans have teeth that allow us to eat what is available. There should be no moral qualms about eating animals. Arguing about killing and eating humans is just silly and who would argue that murder is ok. Eating a dead person is another story, but it has happened (a few times). So, animals taste good.
I don't think anyone is suggesting eating humans while they're alive.. but in some cultures it was considered important to eat your now-dead foes, especially if they were particularly brave during the battle. There is at least some of the same mentality in eating tiger, or wolf, or any number of other wild creatures which are seen as worthy adversaries of homo sapiens. There are taboos in all cultures, just as there are different ideas of modesty, many of which seem inexplicable. In most of the North American cultures, eating horse is one of those taboos.
It is not a regulated meat. I just don't see how the line can be so cloudy as to a pet (horse) being taken to a dinner plate. Cows, chicken and pigs can be pets but the percent of horses as pets vs cows, chickens and pigs are not nearly the same. They have never been seen and introduced into the family as pets. Eating horse is not something that we as a cultural for thousands of years has been in most of societies normal way. Even the horses that are still "wild" can be turned into a pet in months. Its, we eat chicken?
The poor horse actually falls through the cracks in too many ways. Depending upon which classification offers the least protection (companion animal vs livestock) either to the horse or to the owner, that classification is the one which is used in far too many instances. Those of us deeply involved in the equine world can't resolve that – it's no wonder people who are NOT involved in that world don't grasp the problems. And it's no wonder that people who are not involved in that world, living and working with horses as the partners they were domesticated to be, find our repugnance at the thought of eating them a bit extreme.
As a kid I was willing to try just about anything. I've eaten walrus, whale, various insects, and any number of other 'interesting' species. Never to my knowledge ate dog, cat, or horse – they were 'family' and you don't eat family. But I still grieve over my willingness to eat something simply because I could, though I do still sometimes eat meat from animals that were developed, bred, raised, and processed to be meat-producers...
The only reason we have brains the size that they are is because our ancestors ate meat. Gatherers had smaller brains and were less capable of learning new tasks or solving problems. Strict vegetarians suffer from vitamin deficiencies that lead to terrible health problems. Along with not giving your brain enough of what it needs to function, vegetarians also starve their body of insulating fat that protects the organs and is essential for metabolizing hormones. Vegetarians also suffer from shrinkage of the brain when compared to the brains of people who have meat in their diets.
LOL! How are all those small brained vegetarian Indians beating out the US for engineering jobs then? Considering how much meat we eat here compared to other countries we should way ahead with our math and science skills instead of falling behind.
For corporations dollars are worth more than brains. They pay Indians peanuts and the indian engineers eat them with polyunsaturated ghee.
Just wash it down with some gasoline if it so pleases you, when you eat horse meat from the US it is tainted by more than 40 chemicals that stay in their muscle tissue forever ! And will in your body too..bad bad idea !
I don't think most humans from the U.S. would be fit for consumption since most are not "free range" humans and probably have consumed a diet full of additives and/or drugs. LOL
I've eaten horse meat before, and it is good. Meat is meat, if you are a carnivore such as myself you don't have to lie to yourself. Any meat, however cutely packaged was once a living, breathing being. Virtually everything else we eat was once a pretty plant with roots in the ground, soaking up the sun rays with shiny leaves.
Cows are beautiful beings, standing on the meadow all peaceful eating grass. Horses are no different. I agree, that if we eat horse meat, we should raise horses for food consumption, not use discarded work or companion horses. Meat quality will be a gamble on those anyway.
Humans have in their heritage eaten all kinds of animals, and it's our right but also our duty to do so in a responsible and uncruel way. It is also your right not to eat meat if you disagree, but let me eat whatever I want.
Regards,
Alex
How ignorant will we stay if we will not accept what other cultures eat, and these cultures have been around for a lot longer than ours mind you. How can we say that it's cruel when our own way of raising cows and slaughtering them would make anyone a vegetarian if they saw it? It's very hypocritical of someone to say these things when they themselves have not tried it. Much of our fast food has meat that's in the same grade as dog meat or very close for god's sake! I say try it before you judge it because if you were to actually try horse meat you'd find it quite lean and sweet. And they don't raise horses in the 100,000's in areas that are only big enough for 50,000 horses and slaughter them outright as we do with cows. And this is an authentic French dish, there are very few things better than old authentic French cuisine.
I think that people that rise to this level of cruelty on the basis of a snobbish, over-the -top, unnecessary glutinous craving should have to wear a button publicly, "I eat horse meat and promote it". We"ll see how they are regarded publicly.
I eat horse meat. Maybe if you weren't so ignorant to cultures that are far older than ours you would see things in a new light.
As to culture and the highbrow need to be regarded enlightened by embracing it is equally ridiculous. There are chauvinist cultures, racist cultures, cultures that justify theft, rape and terrorism...wnd the murdering of innocents, which I believe this category falls under...I don't feel the burning desire to embrace them so someone like Dylan or Mike, would consider me to be more enlightened...don't make me laugh!
Most humans in the world are to poor to eat that much meat anyway let alone horsemeat. Gross eating is for the well off who will pay for it, not it's "cultural". A well traveled person would know that.
Disclosure: I eat meat and yes I have eaten horse and it was actually pretty good.
I do not have time to read every one of these great comments but I did have to through in a thought or two. I do believe that the choice of being a vegan, vegetarian or an omnivore for that matter is a western luxury. We choose to eat what we want and for the most part when we want. There are areas of the world where this is just not the case (I haven't forgot about religious beliefs but for this discussion I'll leave them out). Personally I have been dropping meat right out of my diet for a week or two at a time but I really don't think this has to do with the fact that I feel sick about eating a pig, cow, lamb, goat or horse. It has more to do with the fact that I am concerned with how that meat is delivered to my table. I have begun to purchase most of my meat from local places that I can even tour with the farmer that raises the meat.
The second idea we should discuss here is whether or not the answer to eating these "cute" animals would extend to "cute" insects. Marcel Dicke did a talk at ted.com http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/marcel_dicke_why_not_eat_insects.html where he shows very persuasive evidence as to why we should move that way.
Chances are our ancestors were bug eaters more than hunters, but it kills the fantasy for people because popping a cricket into our mouths sounds less sexy then chasing down large prey. Anyway most people on the planet are NOT heavy meat eaters, eating meat is a very expensive luxury. People in other countries use a small amount of meat to go with their rice, beans and veggies. They also use every part of the animal. Some cultures are vegetarian like in India. I think Hindus are the third largest religion in the world so many poor people live and thrive eating that way.
Much damage to horse breeds has come from "protecting" inbred, weak, and other animals that should be culled–but get bred anyway. We are losing the special traits and strengths of numerous horse breeds until we correct this. Making them into food, whether for dogs or humans, is a viable way to deal with them.
People get way too emotionally attached to their food.
When you have to worry about the next e-coli, salmonella and mad cow outbreak – we veggies will be sittin' pretty. Go ahead eat up fatties and when your arteries fill with plaque heart disease sets in – that's cool. Just keep eating those cheese burgers because they taste soooo good. Some of these comments are the intellectual equivalent of "mmmm beefy yum yums. I like. I eat." If you knew anything about how your meat is actually covered with fecal bacteria and pumped full of antibiotics you wouldn't be so glib. But that's okay. We do need to cull the human herd somehow.
As if there are no recalls for vegetables. You really have a nasty little attitude there.
I find the nasty attitude of glib violence against animals to be worse. Sorry if I offended your delicate sensibilities. You can go back to your beefsteak now.
Didn't offend me at all. Just pointing out the obvious in your ugly attitude which does a really good job in persuading me to become a vegetarian or vegan.
No amount of pleasantries will change a persons mind who already stands firm in their selfishness. I just like to let the glib ones know what monsters they are to look away while creatures that have no voice are viciously tortured in factory farms. If you do some research you'll be horrified at what you find rather than offering the simple refrain " because it suits me I'll do it."
You are not too bright are you?
Where in the world did "because it suits me I'll do it" come from.... ridiculous ad hominem attacks. I really appreciate the civil discourse you have had with me.
Is that line taken yet as I'd like to buy it. Donald Trump: "Because it suits me I'll do it." WOW, now THAT has some zing to it! Come on you have to admit it. Picture it in lights, just picture it. Don't be jealous.
KKK is typical of the hate and intolerance that comes from the far left. Most people who eat a balanced diet, could not possibly care less how the rest of the world eats. It is only the vegans who are not happy to make their own choices, but YOURS as well. Typical of the far left party of hate.
You two are mean, shouldn't you love your fellow man and treat him as you would like to be treated? Shamefull!
By the Way Jerv – If you weren't such a numbskull you would realize that Kamala Karuna is an East Indian name and to make a connection to the KKK based on my initials is a feeble attempt at childish name calling – at best. Grow up doll.
And it is alright for you to come out swinging and call someone a Dickhead. Please take your own advise and grow up.
Seriously Jerv – you seriously are stupid. His moniker is "RichardHead" What is the commonly used shortened version of Richard? Dick. It's Dick. He named _himself_ DickHead. Think much?
By the way Jerv – I'm a Republican – so the liberal left thing doesn't apply. Not every conservative is some rednecked bible thumping neocon. Just sayin'
Wow, I think you give even vegans a bad name...and that is not easy to do. Good job!
You won't ever have to worry about eating horse since you are already a horses azz.
I accidently posted this at the bottom instead of as a reply the first time:
E-coli contanimation is largly a part of industrialized farming. Just 2 weeks of grass-feeding to grain-fed cows reduces the risk of e-coli contamination to virtually nil.
Salmonella recalls are more common in plant-based products than meat-based products.
Mad cow is only contracted if you eat the brain and spinal cord.
You need to brush up on your research, the lipid hypothesis has been disproven. http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/uncategorized/the-lipid-hypothesis/
How about this darling... http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Wellness/mrsa-superbug-bacteria-found-detroit-meat-means/story?id=13596809. go ahead. eat up.
@abbyfulofcrap Hey – if the meat industry says that everything is okey dokey Of COURSE you can trust them. Did you know that your num nums are covered in fecal bacteria and rather than clean the flesh they simply irradiate it. You are literally eating crap.
Kamala Karuna, honey, did you even read the article?
"but it's no reason to go vegetarian, experts say. "
"As long as we clean our hands and our utensils and we cook the food, we kill the bacteria," said Dr. William Schaffner, chair of preventive medicine at the Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville"
"Most healthy people are not at risk for a Staphylococcus aureus infection."
Sure. If you want to risk it – by all means.
Kamala Karuna, please look up "ad hominem". Resulting to name calling because you can't argue with facts is a fallacy.
You nailed that right on. Nothing more than ad hominen rants.
Be careful, vegans often suffer from high cholesterol and high blood pressure. Is it okay to eat a person after a doctor has declared him a vegetable?
Eating animals other than cows isn't really that uncommon outside of the US...and lets be honest, we're a pretty lazy people so I'm willing to bet one of the major reasons the cow is so prevalent in our diet is because they don't run away when you "hunt" them...kind of like those delicious gourmet birds that never leave the ground. There's better stuff to eat but we don't want to work for it.
No, the reason cattle are the mainstay of the American diet is the fact that they are the fastest growing meat animal and indeed can be slaughtered in less than a full year of age. In our society few would be a ble to hunt on their own and few would survive because the food supply would run out. Population growth requires that an efficient mass production of cattle be obtained to keep the inevitable starvation of millions from occuring. You can pretend that everyone could get along without eating meat (in my book) cattle but the fact is we can't. Prodution of all other sources of foods , plant and animal worldwide could not keep up without this source of food, I advocate zero population growth.
I love horses, hate to see this happen. I know it does but I don't know that it needs to be seen on TV. And I agree with the folk that talk about the wormer or meds horses have been on. I don't know ..... just my opinion. Just pull the episode.
What's next people?
As a former rider and trainer and very still a horse enthusiast, I am upset by this at all. This is a cultural thing and the US is the only country that does not eat horse. Horses have been used for meat, milk transportation, work for thousands of years. Their meat is lean and healthy, but not very tasty IMO. Maybe it is an acquired taste.
*I am not upset by this at all* Stupid sticky keys1
For someone involved with horses, you are remarkably uninformed. Have you forgotten that horses in USA and Canada are not raised for food? Due to this fact, they are routinely give medications such as Bute, de-wormers, etc. which specifically warn that the drug is not to be given to any horse intended for human consumption. And what about the extreme cruelty of horse slaughter? Doesn't that matter to you?
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My Little Pony, roasted and yummy...
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Horses are in the same classifications as dogs and cats. They are companions, athletes and workers. Anytime you buy feed for them or anything else you are taxed for it just like any other PET! If they ate indeed "food" animals why are they not tax deductable as cattle etc? Because they ate not food !!!!! This great nation of the United States was founded by our early settlers and Indians and originally the spaniards who ultimately introduced the equine to our country. They were introduced during ww2 as a food because beef was scarce. Horses were not intended for consumption as cattle, sheep, goats etc.
I will not watch any version of this show until the Food Netword disavows itself of any association with the killing and eating of domestic or wild horses, dogs, cats or in fact any form of exotic or endangered animal as well.
Perhaps we could put you in charge of which animals should die for food?...
"certain animals were made for food and some are clearly not."
LOL....probably the most inane comment ever!
These are pets!!!! I have 3 , they don't do anything around here but bring me joy just as my other pets. Pets, pets, pets. What is foodnetwork thinking?
The ones being eaten are not pets. Just because you have three doesn't mean everyone considers them pets. Some people keep cows and pigs as pets, and they are acceptable meats. The food network isn't condoning slaughtering your own pets for food, just allowing that horse is another option for farmed meat.
The horses that end up in the kill pen were not raised for slaughter. They were raised to be riding horses, work horses, racehorses, etc. Their owners were just too irresponsible to properly care for them or have them humanely euthanize when they became unusable or too expensive.
Soooo, you approve of killing them if they are no longer of use to you or get too expensive as long as it is done humanely?? Wouldn't want to be your pet, or spouse...or children.
I agree with you. I love pig, cows, chicken and turkeys but I would never eat a horse, cat or dog. :( A deer either. That meat stinks when being cooked. (just my opinion)
No one seems to realize the dangers of eating horse meat. Medications that horses are given have been proven to cause bone marrow cancer in humans. I would say at least 9 out of 10 horses have been given this medication at one point in their lives. Not to mention horses are wormed every 8 weeks with wormer how healthy could that be for you?
Simple matter. Horses were food before they ever became domesticaed animals used for other functions.
I'm a Cuban-American and I eat horse. We have a dish call Tasajo made from horse meat.
Tell us where you get it! Maybe it the peoples pets that are stolen and killed near Miami!
Often time the only place for Americans "Usually originating from another country" get horse meat is buy killing another persons horse. It happens on the east coast all the time. In Florida it is a regular occurrence. I hear of family finding their horse in the pastured butchered with only choice cuts taken. Very traumatic for the owners. What these people "Thieves" do not know is that these pets often have lots of unhealthy stuff in them. Most slaughter bound horses have to wait to be butchered so they can be purged of all antibiotics and womers and other stuff we give them. If you live in America and you want to eat horse just buy one from a kill buyer. Do not kill someones beloved and often times very expensive equine pet..
Just to round out the show culturally, why not do an episode on Zumba-Zumba cuisine wherein the producers of Top Chef are served up as the main course?
Is anything sacred anymore? Anything for ratings and attention. What a sad world we live in.
What's the difference between eating cows, pigs and horses? It's simply our anthropomorphic perceptions that we project onto one animal as opposed to another. Cow, horse, pig–we see one as somehow "too cute" or "too smart" to eat when they are all on a more or less common level–domesticated animals, with the primary difference that we have historically raised cattle and pigs for food and horses for riding or draft purposes. If you brush aside that historical perspective, they're all three legitimate meat spurces. I've eaten horse in France, Belgium and Iceland and it is delicious.
Are there any establishments in the USA that offer horse meat as a main course??? Never seen it... Where I lived in Central America they ate everything but the horses, only because they were needed for work....
I thought we always save the pretty animals, and only eat the ugly ones, like cows and pigs. Isn't that how it works?
I want me horse Steak medium rare! YUM!
I once had a tender horse filet, accompanied by a fine red wine while vacationing in Spain.
I am a firm follower of PETA (People eating tasty animals).... gator (always good), monkey (he's good too), rattle snake (roasted), Iguana (Roasted with garlic and chile), Goat (greasy), deer (please help me find bambi so I can cook him up), dog (fairly sure I eaten it, though they called it steak), beef (grill 'em), Horse (never tried it yet, but hey... bring it on)....
To anyone who was offended by this... get a life and find a cave to hide yourself in....leave the rest of us alone...... This from a confirmed jungle rat.....
Please watch this – "Meet your meat" on http://www.meat.org/
I will eat any animal that does not eat me first.... This is the first rule of jungle survival. Grew up on a farm and even had horses and cattle and pigs and chickens and rabbits and you get the point... I lived in the jungle for several years... Even after 6 years of college and every animal rights activist you could imagine screaming "pooooor animal" I still go home fire up a grill and eat ribs, steak, or whatever.... get a life... if you don't want to eat meat... fine... leave those of us who do alone... and quit your whining about it....
Right because the cow is out to eat you. Oh watch out for those chickens they may just peck your toes. Oh no! Must eat beast because me afraid. Look now!~ Over there! I think I see a bunny wabbit that's about to attack! Listen I have no problem if you kill something and eat it for survival but most people have no concept of how their food is treated before it arrives nice and neatly packaged in the grocery store. I think most meat eaters actually couldn't stomach the slaughterhouse process and the simple fact of the matter is our meat industry is unnecessarily cruel when it doesn't need to be. Profit over ethics is the motto of most factory farms.
First, I would not be scared of an animal. I was taught only to kill them for food. YEs, I have slaughtered cattle, pigs, rabbits, chickens and every other animal that we raised. I was taught if You kill it you eat it... I also learned meat can be good for you... many cultures see different animals as taboo.. Example in Belize the people I lived with ate iguanas, but would not eat snakes. Where I lived out west they ate rattle snake, but not Iguana. I have lived placed where other animals were only "pets' yet they ate dog... So get over yourself and see how the rest of the world looks at it....
Please go visit an actual farm or ranch and see the truth, rather than blindly believing some staged PETA propaganda.
There are always a few bad apples with anything, but the vast majority of farmers and ranchers, both large and small scale, take proper care of their animals. In addition to it being immoral to mistreat the animals, sick/injured animals are not profitable. It's like a store owner vandalizing their own wares; they wouldn't jepordize thier livelihood, and if they could an employee doing it, they would be terminated and potentially charged or sued, depending on the severity of the incident.
Abbyful do you really think the massive volume of meat produced daily in this country could be done humanely. Do your research on where your food comes from. It's not the nice little Midwest farm anymore. You really have no clue, do you.
Kamala Karuna, I know exactly where my meat comes from. About 1/3 of the meat I eat is hunted by my family (mostly deer, rabbit, dove, and pheasant), the vast majority of rest is obtained from local farmers and ranchers. I do buy my fish and seafood from the grocery store.
I've been to literally hundreds of farming and ranching operations, both small and "factory farm" scale. Some of them better than others, but most certain the "Meet Your Meat" video is not the norm as you portray it to be.
I cannot believe that anyone would even consider watching this show after having read this article. It's cruel and inumane. I have been around horses from a young age and they are smart, kind, hardworking, and lovable animals. THEY ARE PETS, NOT FOOD.
There's an amazing thing out there called "the rest of the world." You should look into it sometime.
Whenever we visit Europe, we make it a point to have horse meat when we see it on the menu. If you eat meat (beef, chicken, lamb), then there should be no issue eating horse. However, if you're a vegetarian or love horses, then you would not eat it. It's a matter of choice. With an overpopulation of wild horses out west, starving because of their numbers, it would seem logical to slaughter them like cattle for human consumption. Again its a matter of choice. If you want to avoid that happening, then adopt one and pay for its upkeep!
What makes horses any better than cows, chickens, pigs and other animals people find fit for consumption? You can't chow down on a big chunk of cow and then cry cause someone else raises a horse for slaughter. It's not like they are taking someone's pet and cooking it. Where horse is on the menu it is because that animal is raised for that purpose.
Horses are very rarely raised specifically for slaughter and consumption in the way that cattle and other more commonly consumed species are. Horses that are slaughtered in North America were usually someone's racehorse, riding horse, or pet before they ended up in the kill pen. Get your facts straight.
Leave it to some wealthy chef boy-R-Dee to give you a can of dog food and tell you it's really a cousine meant only for the finest people of the world. I have some rabbit poop for you I can pass off as spices, if you need some...
Let's eat horse meat rather than watch "pet" horses starve to death in neglected barns and pastures. Let's eat horse meat instead of carless breeding practices–too many unplanned pregnancies! We don't need to outlaw the butchering of horses for food, but we do need to outlaw the criminal and inhumane methods of transporting horses for butchering and processing plant procedures that are similarly cruel and criminal.
I agree completely. There is nothing wrong with eating horses, but the way they are killed is intolerable. Far too many people are oblivious to the current and inhumane process of horse slaughter.
sorry richardhead...i am working on something and my caps were locked.
It's o.k. My apology's.
For those of you who don't really know anything about vegetarianism, consider this "The American Dietetic Association and Dietitians of Canada have stated that at all stages of life, a properly planned vegetarian diet is "healthful, nutritionally adequate, and provides health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases". Large-scale studies have shown that mortality from ischaemic heart disease was 30% lower among vegetarian men and 20% lower among vegetarian women than in non-vegetarians. Necessary nutrients, proteins, and amino acids for the body's sustenance can be found in vegetables, grains, nuts, soymilk, eggs and dairy.Vegetarian diets offer lower levels of saturated fat, cholesterol and animal protein, and higher levels of carbohydrates, fibre, magnesium, potassium, folate, and antioxidants such as vitamins C and E and phytochemicals.
Vegetarians tend to have lower body mass index, lower levels of cholesterol, lower blood pressure, and less incidence of heart disease, hypertension, type 2 diabetes, renal disease, osteoporosis, dementias such as Alzheimer’s disease and other disorders.[31] Non-lean red meat, in particular, has been found to be directly associated with increased risk of cancers of the esophagus, liver, colon, and the lungs. Other studies have shown no significant differences between vegetarians and non-vegetarians in mortality from cerebrovascular disease, stomach cancer, colorectal cancer, breast cancer, or prostate cancer, although the sample of vegetarians was small and included ex-smokers who had switched their diet within the last five years. A 2010 study compared a group of vegetarian and meat-eating Seventh Day Adventists in which vegetarians scored lower on depression tests and had better mood profiles." So are we to be diseased and overweight by design too?
Let's also consider this...According to a 2006 United Nations initiative, the livestock industry is one of the largest contributors to environmental degradation worldwide, and modern practices of raising animals for food contributes on a "massive scale" to air and water pollution, land degradation, climate change, and loss of biodiversity. The initiative concluded that "the livestock sector emerges as one of the top two or three most significant contributors to the most serious environmental problems, at every scale from local to global."
And what about the inefficiency of producing meat "According to the theory of trophic dynamics, it requires 10 times as many crops to feed animals being bred for meat production as it would to feed the same number of people on a vegetarian diet. Currently, 70% of all the wheat, corn and other grain produced is fed to farmed animals. This has led many proponents of vegetarianism to believe that it is ecologically irresponsible to consume meat."
Because we can do something doesn't mean we should. Please think about it before posting something like "Yeah for Meat! Tasty!"
Does your middle name start with a K too?
Is your middle name Dick?
Please watch this – "Meet your meat" on http://www.meat.org/
No his first name is DickHead and his middle and last names are "You" and "Want."
First of all, your numbers are statistically swayed. Of course if you compare the numbers of a group of people that watches their diet to a group that some people do and some don't, you'll see a difference. However, when you compare omnivores that take care in their diet to vegetarians, the omnivores are actually healthier.
We cannot get all of our required nutrients from plants. There is no viable plant source of B-12.
You mention "non-lean red meat". But in my reading, the real issue here is improper diet of the animals. Most of the beef you buy at the grocery store is corn-fed. Cows shouldn't eat grain to begin with. Cows should eat grass; feeding them grain is bad for both the cows and the humans that eat the cows. Meat from corn-fed beef is significantly lower in Omega-3s than meat from pastured/grass-fed livestock and wild game. Most Americans have out-of-whack Omega-3 to Omega-6 ration; our ratios should ideally be around 1:1 or 1:2; in reality that are typically between 1:10-1:20. That is a HUGE difference from the ideal.
In your post it is apparent you don't have a lot of experience or knowledge of farming. Farmers cannot grow the same crops on the same land year after year; it depletes the soil too much. Crops must be rotated and and summerfallowed (skip a year growing anything on the land). Many of your independent family farmers raise both crops and livestock; and utilize their land for both. When the crop gets cut, the farmer moves the livestock onto the ground to eat the stubble for several months. This method may also be supplemented with hay; which is cut and baled from ditches and waterways. Most land that is solely used for animals and not crops, i.e. pasture, is on ground that is far too rocky, hilly, and/or sandy to be utilized from crops. It is not as simple as "use the land for crops instead".
@ Kamala Karuna-Thank you so much for your intelligent post. Backing up statements with facts is always the way to present a opinion.
I agree! I wish more really knew the facts and could handle having a non-biased intelligent discussion.
IT MEAT AND IT IS MEANT FOR EATING..I WILL EAT WHATEVER I WANT AND NOONE CAN STOP ME..IF VEGETARIAN OR VEGAN IS SO GOOD, WHY IS IT THAT ALL HERBIVOROUS ARE FAT??? EXPLAIN THAT...CARNIVOROUS ARE POWERFUL, LEAN AND STRONG....NATURE TEACHES US EVERYTHING, WE JUST DOTN WANNA SEE...MEAT IS GOOD FOR YOU SO IS VEGETABLE...IT IS A MATTER OF BALANCE....I WILL NEVER UNDERTAND VEGAN AND VEGETARIANS AND THEIR HOLIER THAN THOU ATTITUDE THAT STINKS...
I dislike Vegans but Hate Caplock Azzholes more.
Did you just forget that you had caps lock on or are you just emphatic with your statement?
Ever been kicked by a horse? Let me know when you have a broken leg and pelvis if herbivores are still weaker than carnivores.
You big, stupid baby.
I recently ate horse meat in Switzerland. It was delicious. It's very lean and tastes great pan fried with a pan sauce.
The food network should be taken off the air compleatly for supporting crulty such as foie gras. If I cought a human doing this I personally would do the same to them until they were dead.
You should be taken off this site for heinous misspellings.
Have you seen the size of Americans here? They already look like human foie gras.
Did they offend you by cooking that wittle horsie...... oh no.... IF you don't like the idea then don't watch it, but some of us might want to see it...
If its there culture then who are we to judge!
Why not eat it? We have no use for horses anymore in the modern world and meat is meat. People who think this nation is going vegan are clowns...you have canine teeth for a reason...God gave them to you, use them.
"Meet your meat" on http://www.meat.org/
I never understood why it became such a taboo to eat horse. We eat a variety of other animals. In my opinion this is something that needs to change. Horses are just another food source. People make the argument that they are pets, cows and chickens have been known to be pets. Mankind has eaten horse since the begining. But in America someone said no this taboo. We should be aloud to go the market and by horse meat to throw on the grill.
I don't disapprove of the consumption of horsemeat at all. However, horses are killed in completely inhumane ways using equipment designed for use on cattle as mentioned in the article. If the horses were killed in a less horrific way, I think fewer people would have a problem with the consumption of horsemeat. Look up horse slaughter on google and it will turn your stomach.
What's next, kitten kabobs? Leave it to the seal-slaughtering Canadians to advance cruelty for the sake of entertainment.
I, too, am not a fan of the Newfie pasttime of seal clubbing. However, they don't do it for entertainment. They do it for money. Specifically, the money they make from the products using seal by-products (fat, fur, etc). The Canadian government makes boucoup bucks from this and unfortunately is not will to lose their cash cow...err, cash seal. It also has been a part of the Newfie culture (there's an oxymoron) and the culture of many Canadian coastal dwellers for eons.
P.E.T.A
People Eating Tasty Animals
http://www.meat.org
AMEN.... and as for kamala whoever they are... can't you come up with something other that that website as a response......
Sometimes visual images work better for simple minds. Words prove to be too much effort for so many of the Neanderthals here.
Remember, when you show off the PETA propaganda, that they never went to the farm I lived on where the animals were fed by yours truly and several others like me. Also, being in a small rural community, hunting was a way of life. Be it bird, deer, elk or bear or moose and fishing for trout, salmon, bass or whatever the case was. Meat is meat is meat. Go cry your tears to someone who sympathizes with your philosophy of "everyone should be like me." Personally, I don't care if you ever watch the show, but some of us would like to and we don't care if you cannot "stomach" the thought of somebody eating "silver, MR. Ed," or whatever the name of the horse is....
Every domesticated animal has at one time or another been a pet to someone.. That would eliminate almost all meat as food.
I have a pet catfish. Curse those who eat catfish.
I have a pet trout. So there.
I am absolutely OK with other people eating horse meat. But, I wouldn't touch any horse meat coming out of the US. If you are concerned with the antibiotics and hormones in beef and poultry, horse is pretty much unregulated and full of drugs. Moral/ethic issues and vegan arguments aside, US/Canadian/Mexican horse meat is nasty purely on a health issue – they are not raised for consumption, so no checks in place to ensure food safety. Yuck.
I just don't like a lot of veggies to ever consider being a vegetarian/vegan. I rarely eat processed food and the vegans seem to have a lot of it. Fake bacon! Fake cheese? Not to mention how my body doesn't process carbs like they use to. I'll stick to my meat thank you.
Watch this "Meet your meat" on http://www.meat.org/
For every person who says the horses should be saved, I would like to see them sponsor the care of a horse for it's lifetime. The average cost of care can run anywhere from $500 to $1500+ a year. Horses can live well into their 30's. With the advances in veterinary care, the prediction is likey to increase. I have heard very few anti-slaughter people find a practical way of funding such long term care. The number of horses needing care will no doubt increase due to the worsening economy. Instead of protesting the slaughter of horses, we should work to make the process more humane. All the slaughter ban has done is make the process more cruel by transporting the animals further to Canada and Mexico. Not to mention that the industry is largely unregulated in Mexico so animals await a horrific fate. We need to use common sense and not our hearts to make decisions.
In case you haven't read the comments preceding yours, common sense isn't something that thrives around here. However, I agree with your statement.
I agree with you 100%. Just to have the vet out to my house costs between $50 – $100 for a farm call since taking six horses to the vet isn't like loading up the dog in the car. Then there are the vaccinations ($60 each), teeth care ($40), etc., not to mention the farrier bills. Trim $30 and shoeing $60 minimum.
I grew up with horses, didn't any of you do research about the costs before you got them? Whining about their costs is sad, they rely on you for their care. If you can't properly care for them find a local humane society to find better homes with responsible loving owners.
Sure, the care of horses costs a fortune. If you can't afford to keep one, then don't buy a horse. I am involved with horses and I see people make stupid decisions regarding their animals all the time. At the very least, if someone can't afford to permanently care for an unsaleable animal, then they should have the decency to have the horse put down humanely. The journey to Mexico and Canada is torture for the horses, and they all experience and painful and terrifying death at the end of the journey. However, the slaughterhouses that once existed in the United States were not much better.
I do have horses and I am lucky that I have the means to humanely euthanize and properly bury any of mine should the need arise. Not everyone is so fortunate or responsible. Slaughter should be just one of the options but not the only one for dealing with unwanted horses. Too many people who get into horses do not understand the cost or the responsibility of deciding what to do with a horse once it no longer has use to them. These are the people who are abandoning and/or neglecting their animals. Sadly some people just don't give a damn and could care less if an animal is suffering.
Those who don't approve of horse meat, don't eat it. I'll have mine rare please.
I wonder how far Food Network plans to take this? As others have mentioned, dogs and cats are considered delicacies in many parts of the world (in some areas, they are even slowly tortured to death, as that's considered to make the meat more "tasty")...are they going to ask the chefs to cook up Fido and Fluffy? Whale and dolphin meats are delicacies in Japan...are they going to have to prepare Humpback Tartare?
Personally, I think both this episode and the one in which the chefs were required to prepare something using bugs and worms is intended more for its shock value than for any desire for authenticity. It's an attention-getter.
Exactly, gross eating is mostly about ratings. The only people who would pay the expensive price tag for "exotics" are desperate needy wanna be hipsters in San Fran or New York.
I am a horse owner. I would never eat a horse unless I was starving to death. However, if you don't want your horse eaten, take care of it and don't ship it off to slaughter. Pretty simple solution. If they have passed away, I don't know why you would care if they were then slaughtered for food. Mine are shipped off for dog food after they die.
If someone is stealing live horses and slaughering them for food, then that is a crime and should be treated as such. I do have to agree that they should get proper, humane slaugher equipment if they plan to do this. I also agree that horses are drugged with all sorts of things that could be detrimental for your health, so is it really worth the risk of eating them?
The care of a horse may be a simple solution, but not always a viable, economical one. Many parents purchase a horse for their child without the foreknowledge of how to care for one. The same is true of the growing number of dogs and cats in shelters across the country. Horse meat tastes good while other unwanted meat sources do not. Humans consume what is available. In China chicken feet became a delicacy, but this was due to the Japanese invasion of China leaving the Chinese with nothing to eat but the entrails and cast off parts of the animals the Japanese left behind. You may not agree with what others see as a good food source, but that does not make it a bad one.
Those who advocate eating horse meat seem willfully unaware of the abjectly inhumane conditions under which horses are transported and slaughtered. Many are essentially butchered alive, fully aware of what is happening to them, and die in excruciating pain and fear. And this is done to animals which have spent their lives being trained to trust humans. Parents should not give children horses or ponies if they are unable or unwilling to care for them, or carefully find an appropriate home for them, after the child loses interest. Horses too ill or infirm to be kept should be euthanized humanely by a licensed veterinarian, which costs between $300 and $500. The inhumane slaughter process described above is in no way a substitute for or analogous to this, just as torture by dismemberment is in no way analogous to a medical amputation performed by a licensed physician. A horse costs around $2000-$3000 annually to keep, so euthanasia should be well within the budget of a horse owner. If it is not, they have absolutely no business owning these animals in the first place. Even in cases of extreme financial hardship, rescue groups and private individuals can help if notified. In addition to these humane concerns, horse meat does not pass the most basic safety tests for human consumption. Virtually all domestic horses receiving the most routine care are riddled with medications which are toxic to humans, including de-wormers, phenylbutazone, toxic fly sprays, and more. Regarding wild horses, if the US Bureau of Land Management protected them as required by law, and also followed the law by collecting fair market grazing fees by cattle ranchers freeloading on public lands, we also wouldn't have this problem. Wild horses should be left alone on US public lands. This would cost American taxpayers nothing, and would resolve the problems associated with wild horses currently incarcerated by the US Bureau of Land Management. Horses originally evolved on the arid plains of North America, are well-adapted to that environment, and have a relatively light environmental footprint thereon, compared with domestic cattle, whose numbers dwarf those of wild horses in the American West. It is numbers of cattle which should be reduced, not numbers of horses. So, don't eat horse meat, ever, and while you're at it, cut down on beef too.
Correction: the sentence which begins "Regarding wild horses" should read, "...from cattle ranchers freeloading on public lands", and not "by cattle ranchers". The statute in question is the Federal Land Policy and Management Act of 1976, (USC Title 43, chapter 35, §1701, et. seq.), which requires the federal government receive "fair market value for the use of the public lands and their resources..." (§1701 (a) (9)).
What is wrong with eating dogs or cats? Just don't eat Cody or Jinxy and you're good. If you can't separate the difference – I'm sorry. I'll eat a dog or cat – as long as its not a pet. Done – easy.
Q: How can you tell when you are talking to a vegan?
A: Oh, don't worry, they will tell you. Repeatedly.
You sound jealous, "Truth." STILL can't get a date?
Why the heck would you care about Truth getting a date? Sweep your own front porch.
My mamma always told me that girls named Lola were easy. Is that true?
Actually darlin', I am married.
But thanks for the interest...
And that's how Lola found a way to tell us she was a vegan.
I love horses. I have 3 of them right now. That said, burying a horse is a lot of wasted meat. Most horses reach a point where their teeth are gone and it's difficult and expensive to keep them healthy. In addition, there are plenty of horses with permanent lameness and/or such poor temperment that few would want them. Horse rescue centers are overfilled. The best solution is to humanely kill these animals and use the meat to feed people or animals. I think of it as recycling.
Old animals have tough meat. Sick animals are not supposed to be accepted by butchers for human consumption.
I too have horses (6) and love them dearly, but also know that there are many not being taken care of properly as evidenced in the large number of emaciated horses going through the local auction yard after a very severe winter. Such organizations as the AQHA (American Quarter Horse Association) are in favor of humane horse slaughter as a viable way of addressing the issue of the growing number of unwanted horses in the world.
Ask a vegan about evangelicals and they will tell you how intrusive it is to have someone attempt to impose their religion upon others. Then the vegan will proceed to try to convince you that you shouldn't eat meat or animal products.
Moral of the story: attempts to convert you are always annoying.
Ooohhh, horse meat...yummy...
Real Salami is made from either horse or donkey meat. Everything else is fake.
Thats what a girl in Tijuana showed me one time I was there.
I have a very extensive Italian cook book, and yes, it does indeed talk about the use of horse and donkey meat.
Ummm...you might want to try deer meat first since the population is way too large and spreading Lime Disease via the deer tick. I don't get why the North East States aren't pushing the use of deer meat for the hungry. People love venison, and I don't think Lime Disease is a danger when cooked and eaten. May someone can speak to that question???
Norma – Venison is available in rural areas. I have seen it for sale at small town stores. I recall it being expensive. I have never tried it tho.
It's 'Lyme Disease'....and yes, the meat should be just fine if properly cooked.
As for venison being sold in stores, that meat must come from farmed deer. In my state of PA. at least, it is illegal to sell wild harvested deer meat. If caught, you face a large fine and potentially jail time.
How many wrongs make a right? Let's not increase censorship. There is already enough.
But I won't watch, and were I a contestant, I would walk off.
I hope the show will reconsider, and change their venue.
Will they really do a dog or a cat next time?
dogs are eaten all over asia. Like you won't see a black dog wandering around the philipines too long.
Big difference between eating horse meat or cat and dog. Cats and Dogs eat other meat, and horses do not. Horses like cows, lamb, goats, buffalo etc. are grazing animals. Better their numbers are monitored and the meat utilized
than to have it wasted and eaten only by wolves, coyotes, fox and birds of prey. While no one would want to eat their pet horse, there are many horses that are not pets.
Horse is a delicious and nourishing source of food. It should certainly be considered for the mainstream American diet.
Horses are a non-native invasive species in America. Native Americans ate them when they were brought in by the white man. Grain fed calvary mounts tasted much better than grass fed deer.
What right does anyone have to tell someone they aren't allowed to eat something? As long as they are not eating another human being, they can eat whatever the hell they want. Mind your business people!
"Richard: ...is brought to you by Soylent red and Soylent yellow, high energy vegetable concentrates, and new, delicious, Soylent green. The miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world. "
People have been eating other people since the beginning of time and they still do, how are you minding your own business when you say they shouldn't do it?
When it comes to a food source horse, cattle, chickens, rabbits,deer, elk, moose, etc., are all sources of the same thing, protein. Those that are against the consumption of these creatures are doing so due to emotion not fact. The majority of Vegans choose to be vegan due to the fact they do not like the idea of eating the flesh of another creature. All the above arguments against horse consumption are emotional arguments. There are horses all over the USA and Canada that are starving to death because their owners are either ignorant of their proper care, or cannot affort to feed both these very large pets and their families. Horse slaughter is a viable solution to the growing number of unwanted horses in these two countries. What should be the topic is how to humanely process ALL meat sources in the USA and Canada.
I wish we had more meat to choose from. I'd really like to try lion, though I bet it's a bit tough. Horse would definitely try, really want to breed some bald eagle for meat, those looks super tasty. Pandas need to breed more, i bet they're tasty. Can you get Capybara meat? I'd give that a go, people eat guinea pig. there's isn't much that we CAN'T eat. If we can digest it and it's not poisonous, it's food.
I'd like a cub sandwich and I'm not lion. It should be the mane course!
Eat horses! Don't eat horses...eat cows..dont' eat cows...eat chicken..don't eat chicken – if you eat one – why not the other? Plenty of horses – not going extinct – so whats the problem? I say SAVE the VEGETABLES!! Don't eat the poor Vegetables! Its so cruel how we uproot them – and chop them up into salads and eat them RAW! I feel so bad for the lettuce leaves! the Spinach! and poor bell peppers – they get their guts and gonads ripped out while still ALIVE..
Did you used to work for Wolf Blitzer?
Regardless where your food comes from, it is the product of Your earth. Do you want to eat it?
A blonde decides to try horseback riding, even though she has had no lessons or prior experience. She mounts the horse unassisted and the horse immediately springs into motion. It gallops along at a steady and rhythmic pace, but the blonde begins to slip from the saddle. In terror, she grabs for the horse's mane, but cannot seem to get a firm grip. She tries to throw her arms around the horse's neck, but she slides down the side of the horse anyway. The horse gallops along, seemingly impervious to its slipping rider. Finally, giving up her frail grip, she leaps away from the horse to try and throw herself to safety. Unfortunately, her foot has become entangled in the stirrup, she is now at the mercy of the horse's pounding hooves as her head is struck against the ground over and over. As her head is battered against the ground, she is mere moments away from unconsciousness when to her great fortune... the Walmart manager sees her and shuts the horse off.
I love a good blonde joke!
I love the felling of a riding crop smack in the right place first thing in the morning. Usually gets me up and running!
If the votes here mean anything, at the time of this post, the meat-eaters are out voting the vegans at a rate of 2 to 1.
I hate vegetables, the ONLY reason I eat them is for eradication, one day, we can all live vegetable free!
So there with you. I eat meat because I want to; vegetables because I'm supposed to. If there was another way ....
This program should absolutely be pulled. There is no need to cater to the so called cultural culinary preferences
of other countries and our own. This is the 21st century and it's well past the time that we stop eating other species.
I'm a bit more lenient when it comes to farm animals (not factory farms), sustainable fishing, and some hunting. Our role
as predator needs to be phased out, dental structure not withstanding. What canine teeth are we supposedly endowed
with? They are dull and weak compared to true predators. For all you flesh crazed protein cravers, there is always "long
pork."
"no need to cater to the so called cultural culinary preferences"
Indeed, of the almost 7 billion people on earth, we should instead cater to the minority. Riiight.
Slow down T3, we are going to pick on the minorities tomorrow, stick with the original programing.
Yet you get moderated. How bizarre.
yes this is the 21st century so shouldn't we stop persecuting people for their choices? if people wanna eat horse, dog, cat whatever! let them...if vegans wanna look like the vampires from twilight then let them! who cares?!
I don't mind too much as long as they're humanely slaughtered. But I find the argument that mustangs are "destructive" to be silly and hypocritical when cattle cause so much more damage.
agreed.. on the cows being more damaging
name one species of animal that overpopulates us humans. i believe the answer is none.
We are overpopulated- simple as that.
I firmly belive that horses should not be eaten, horses helped shape America. A best "animal" to feed the population is chicken. They breed and develop pretty much the fastest and 'cleaner' than cows.
Cows.
ANTS. If you combined the weight of all humans in the world, and the weight of all ants in the world, the ants would vastly outweigh us (even our chubby USA!).
We should eat ants!
In the meantime, what's going to happen to the horses that can't be taken care of? There are only so many rescues, and they're all stretched thin as it is.
Using the false arguments in this article, the chefs should put a human being in a pot and cook him up. It was once (still is?) a delicacy to cannibals in New Guinea. I hear the meat is kind of bitter, though. And all the drugs that humans consume could taint the tasty meal.
Humans have been eating other humans long before we domesticated any farm animal. Why not, there seems to be people who think any goes. I wonder when they will feature fetus soup.
That's the appetizer, to be followed by poached testicles and breaded fried fillet of breast.
I'd eat me some horse just to add it to the list of animals I've eaten. They're not cute, they're not fuzzy, they're not endangered, so pass me a knife!
Great. Another illiterate with a keyboard.
@Lola: Andrea's two sentences were written in absolutely perfect English. Your post is a serious fail...
Graceless, without compassion and inhumane would probably be better labels. God help her pets.
There are many reasons why the slaughter of horses is inhumane, almost more so than that of cows/chickens/pigs. The consumption of horse meat itself is NOT morally wrong. However, if you were to follow that horse from sale to your dinner table, you would undeniably agree that the process is inhumane.
There are plenty of videos on youtube, viewer discretion advised.
Also, the photo associated with this article is of Icelandic ponies...fat and happy, roaming in Iceland. Not a good example of the quality and condition of the horses people are actually consuming.
everything tastes good with gravy
It is hypocritical to target horses for sympathy while dining on steak and chikens or anything else that has a mother.
5 reasons why horse slaughter is significantly more cruel that cattle"
- Cows are slaughtered locally. They do not go a 2000 mile crowded truck ride, in all temperatures, in a trailer that may not be tall enough for them to raise their heads up.
- They're slaughtered using tools and techniques designed for and effective with their species.
- They're not already used up after working hard their whole lives, as a racehorse or Amish plow horse.
- There is systematic system in place that sends cattle to slaughter at a specific stage of their life cycle. Foals, pregnant mares, or geriatric mares are all fair game for the kill buyers. Underweight, laminitic, arthritic, or sick horses can also end up in kill pens – making their last weeks miserable. Some horses due to age and condition simply don't make the long shipment to the processing plant alive. "Downers" are just a cost of doing business – nobody cares.
- Horses by their nature are a bit more fragile than cows. They get injured more easily, so they suffer more injuries and "downers" when shipped in overcrowded cattle trucks. They may get laminitis, and extremely painful swelling inside the hoof; these horses are being shipped anyway even though it causes them agony to stand. There is documentation of killbuyers beating these horses with 2x4s and cattleprods to get them to stand long enough to unload and go down the kill chute. Horses need horse-safe hay and protection against aggressive herdmates at meal time, which simply is not possible in a "feed lot" or "kill pen" setting.
For those out there looking for a more humane way to kill the animals, a rifle will do the job just fine. As someone who hunts and loves animals, a rifle is an effective, near painless way of killing an animal for food. It's also cost effective – a $50 used rifle and 25 cents a bullet has saved my family thousands of dollars in meat (we butcher and eat it ourselves) over the last fifteen to twenty years. The animal experiences a brief second of pain, followed by numbness, then nothing. Three to four deer butchered properly will feed a family of five for one year with some leftover in case there's a poor following year. I don't see why this same tactic couldn't be used for cattle, horses, pigs, etc. Rather than trying to round them into a slaughter machine, simply shoot them in the head or heart where they stand, then drag them to the butcher by hand or with a truck or tractor. Simple.
C'Mon down to Katy Texas-We've got a pack of feral hogs tearing up a local neighborhood. More bacon for everyone.
We've got coyotes running around G-town. Wanna trade some?
I'm looking for some cougars, know where I can meet some?
Because the only people licensed to butcher horses are in a very few places in North America. The US stopped paying for USDA horse meat inspectors, and even if you could pay for one, you'd need a USDA licensed plant set up to handle horses. There are still a few places left in Canada & Mexico licensed to do horses, but by the time you drag the dead body there, it's half rotten. I cannot emphasize enough how LONG of a ride it is between last auction or dealer and the final slaughter location
Every vegan I know is a retard. Every one.
I wouldn't go that far, but listening to them try to tell me why I shouldn't eat any meat after thousands and thousands of years of humanity eating meat, I just tune out. It's a personal preference and they treat it like religion.
Well, well, well, suddenly, the Bible thumpers claim that humans have been around for "thousands and thousands" of years. Your hypocrisy is stunning.
Lola.
The prosecution rests.
Stunning is being called a bible thumping hypocrite when you just called religion and being vegan equally stupid.
Pigs are much smarter than dogs but our society does not seem to have a moral problem cramming 1000s of them into a building and force feeding them for bacon. I would much rather eat a free range horse than a confinement pig – and I really like bacon. To each their own – if you don't have a moral issue eating a horse go for it. As far a healthy nutrition goes, if eating meat, you should only have 1 serving about the size of a deck of cards each day. This is why our country is so tubby – eat some veg!
that's the real problem with our society..glutons! not killing the animal but eating until we pop
The cruelty of Humans knows no bounds.
What is next? discarded Pets? If you want to eat Horse,Dogs or Cat just get the fark out to France or Far East.
Family in Nicaragua eats alligator, armadillo, and iguana. Is that cruel? Nah, they're eating what they were naturally designed to eat.
well since I'm an American i will eat whatever the F I want to eat! I live in a free country where unfortunately people like you have the right to get on their soapbox and try to tell me what I should and shouldn't do
What's with the anti-horsemeat outcry? I bet these are the same people who have no problems shoveling High-Fructose Corn Syrup (basically, POISON) into their mouths.
You bet wrong.
Good grief: Point 1: I used to raise and show horses, love them, but recognize that every culture has their own way with certain things and on this subject so be it. Like Dustin said what does everyone want to do send all of the ailing and unwanted ones out to the pretend farm out west good grief get a grip. Point 2: I believe in God and the the understanding that since the fall the of Adam and Eve (yes both are to blame) this is a sinful world so now we have to eat our pets and animals. With that said we should do this in a loving and caring way. You take care of them with responsibility while they are in your care and then off to butcher they go. That is all God can ask of us. I have had both pets to put down and cattle that were raised for dinner and I treated all the same they all had a purpose whether for company or for food and we treated them very well until their time was done and I truly have no regrets.
Is it lonely at the top, JoJo?
I bet it is lonely in your pantiez.
Lonely at the top? Do you feel lonley at the bottom? Top bottom generally when people start something like this it is about the whole I do not want to be told what to do. All I am saying is every country is different and why people feel the need to get so upset at this is beyond me. No one wants to be accountable for their actions anyways so live and let live is that what you want. I am not trying to convert anyone I just think it is interesting that people would be so upset about something that has happened for a long period of time all over the world.
And the boxing rounds continue. Good show folks. Keep up the fights, looking good out there. Please enjoy while we wipe down the mats and prep for Round 2:
Wilburn and I LOVE The Reverend Horton Heat!!!
Yes eat steak, not dog.
Dog meat is to ruff!
LOL! RicH?
Wrong. Try again!
2?
Nope. Come on man, you're 0-2!
LOL where do you find this?. Good show!
Horses were, at one time, pretty standard cuisine in Europe. Ancient cave art shows that they were indeed prized prey. Eating horses continues well after that. The shift away from eating them came from a Papal edict that forbide eating them, except in extreme emergency. Why? The horses were needed for the Crusades, and also, horses were used in major Pagan sacrifices because of their great value (the horse would be eaten afterwords). Some in Europe and other lands continue to eat horses. Frankly, it doesn't bother me.
My own Native American ancestors were known to eat dog. Why? They were plentiful (and the chicken had yet to make it's way to America). I can also accept this. Would I eat my own dog? Given conditions like those in the seige of Stalingrad, absolutely. In a horrible situation, you might have to eat anything...in Stalingrad it is said that after the first six weeks of the seige, there were'nt any house pets, nor were there horses. But since I have a good job, etc., etc. I'll just go to the store and get my food.
BOYCOTT all things Food Network and Canada! Wild Horses are a symbol of the American frontier and the forward charge that made us the greatest nation in the history of the world. Bludgeoned baby seals spell out the Canadian alternative. As far as the Japanese and Chinese-what won't they eat.
Why boycott for horses? What, cows are too ugly to boycott? What about alligator, kangaroo, buffalo, ostrich, duck, chicken, fish, or anything ever, that's meat based?
They are boycotting this because in many countries eating horse is not the norm, it has nothing to do with what type of animal it is, it's just not what people consider normal. Don't believe me? Go eat cow in India and see how they respond.
Lets be brutally honest. Humans are omnivores. We eat plants. We eat meats. We evolved as such, otherwise our systems would be drastically different and our survival mechanisms would be much different. Even are teeth are the perfect insight to how we need to eat. The only difference between a horse and a cow is the species and the athleticism. Both are herbivores, both are eaten by carnivores/omnivores, both can for the most part, survive on their own in the wild.
Your photo with this article shows Icelandic horses in a country where eating horse meat is by many considered to be a sacrilege. But they eat horses, don't they?
Mr. Ed was soo yummy!
but what we should really be asking is if justin beiber or lady gaga approves of horse meat for consumption???? that's what's really important!!!
Yes, absolutely. Not.
and we should care about what celebrities think because???
How insane. You can eat veal (and don;t get me going on this one) but you can't eat horse? If you eat meat, what is the difference if it is dog,horse, cow, or rat. I personally prefer the non meat lifestyle as it states in the first page of the bible.
It says that on the first page on the Bible? Really? Wow, mine is missing that. It's also missing the part where Jesus told his disciples to throw back all the fish they caught and to stop fishing. Then again, my Bible mentions something about animal sacrifices back in the day so... I don't know. But it says that on page one? How interesting!
Actually at the same time the sacrifices where done they would actually eat the animal, there's actually a whole chapter on how to prepare the meat for the sacrifice and to consume it. Also Jesus appeared to Paul and showed him a vision of several animals thought to be "impure" by Jewish law and said to him eat, Paul answered saying he would never eat anything impure. Jesus then replied, "how can you call something that The Lord has created impure"
Some friends of mine from church went on a missionary trip to help a church in Sicily, in Italy, and they ate horse every other day for dinner. It's cheaper than cow beef over there, apparently, and more nutricious (less fat, as the horses run and work more). They said it tasted similar to venison, which we eat here in Michigan in abundance. Unless you are in love with horses (like I am with dogs), I don't see how this is disgusting or mortifying to someone. If you love horses, then I understand, just like I would never eat dog, but I wouldn't condone the Hopi for doing so because it's part of their culture.
To Vegans: Please explain to me how you save animals by avoiding animal products. If people avoided eating/using animal products, how many breeds of animals would become extict. Do you think endangered Dominique chickens would naturally survive and flourish? What about Dutch Belted cattle? Will they just roam around the woods sharing an abundance of acorn and grass with deer? Or what will happen to dairy goats? I guess they'll all just live in a well balanced harmony with the wolves and coyotes? I respecct your right to choose a lifestyle you feel is morally right, but I have to admit that human consumption of animals helps ensure the survival of many species/breeds.
Here's your explanation: By choice, I don't eat meat or dairy. Do I demand that others do the same? No. But let them slowly off themselves by eating meat. It's not like anyone cares about them, anyway, and they know it, too.
Your explanation is that you have no logic and/or reading comprehension skills?
It must be because you completely failed to address his question.
Is that you Dover/Shirley?
First, it's a bit extreme to assume that animal species would vanish overnight if everyone suddenly went vegan. (Which based on many responses in these comments, you can see is even more far-fetched.) But let's just go with your premise for a moment. I could see some merit to your argument if the current and past generations of these animals that you are concerned about had a relatively pleasant existence under human supervision. But they don't. Every day of their short lives is a living nightmare. (Here's where someone attempts to cite examples of "happy meat".) So if your goal is to reduce suffering – go vegan. If your goal is to produce lots of animals (with little to no regard to their well-being) then carry on....
Eating meat for survival, sure. But the "WAY" the slaughter is carried out, a horse is "flight" and isn't easily killed, so why not stab continue stabbing them in the spine, severing the spinal cord....turn up the volume and listen to the animal scream! Find a more humane way to slaughter ALL animals. If you doubt, google horse slaughter! Anyone with a soul would be sickened the way man can be. And all for the mighty DOLLAR! Even cattle, chickens, hogs, etc....they are kept in such inhumane, cruel conditions. Think wild horse meat isn't tough....think again.
I have no issues with what people eat, to each his own, but show some mercy on the living creature. And if you get such enjoyment out of slaughtering, killing animals....when do you turn to people. In my job....it begins there.
Good post. I agree whole-heartedly. Too bad our government has passed laws making it illegal to show what happens inside some of largest farms/slaughterhouses. We have to big business argi. lobbyists to thank for that.
Nature is far more cruel than man will ever be.
I'm Stuffed..What's for lunch?
After reading may of the comments, all I have to say is time to go get a med rare steak, baked potato (in honor of my veggie friends), side salad, and a beer. Having lived in many different parts of hte world and trying the various cultureal delicacies, while some are not for me (don't like bugs, slugs, brain, fish innards, some other organ meats, etc) one should realize that what works in China nmay not work here in Texas...doesn't mean it's right or wrong, just that different strokes work for different folks.
pretty bold statement boca i beg to differ. horse has been on the menu hundreds of years get over it. top chef is about cooking FOOD includeing meats. how oblivious are you 0.5% or 1million people in the US follow a vegan diet the vast majority choose to consume meats like we are suposed to. how could you not promote a show that includes cooking meat. its stupid to think the US i vegan bound when thers only a million of ya. stats from vegitariantimes.com
This is disguisting. THere are meats that no decent human being should eat, such as dog and cat and horses. These creatures evolved as friends and helpers and shouls not be considered as food. As for the remark about us having incisors-we could eat each other following that lame argument but that's taboo as well. This is in no way acceptable and a total boycott of the show and the network should be well underway.
Oh, but the mass slaughter of cows in holocaust-like conditions is absolutely acceptable.
Cannibalism exists just not in what we consider polite society, personally, I wonder how we taste. The dangers of certain disease transmission though is what also makes it a very bad idea.
Fortunately your demographic is small and a boycott might make the network cancel...well...nothing.
It is interesting that the US of A (actually a very small group of US citizens) thinks it regulates what the rest of the world eats. I know of many US friends that don't really want to know where pork comes from, where beef comes from - as long as it is wrapped up nicely at the Grocery store, then they don't associate that with an animal that had to be killed for consumption. This is the reality – an animal is killed to feed our needs for meat | a plant is killed to feed our needs for fiber | it's just part of life. A horse is no different – it is just good meat and the emotion attached to this is misplaced. Horses are quite intelligent and have been men's best partner all over the world - as resource for labor and resource for consumption!
This is in Canada.
So, because the article deals with Canada, one cannot make a related observation about the US?
Where have you been on all of the articles that so much as even mention Israel or Iran on CNN?
If you see my other comments, you'll find I happen to agree with his viewpoint on eating horse meat. But he is ranting about how the US is trying to control what is allowable for the world – but the controversy is taking place in Canada, not the US. It hurts the credibility of his argument.
And, well, if I hadn't pointed it out, someone else would have, and they would have been somewhat less punctilious about being polite.
Ah, yes. Reading comprehension at it's best.
I've always been a horse lover, and have worked very closely with them. Would I eat a horse? Maybe. If I knew that it had lead a good life, and had a humane death (and wasn't tough as leather!), I'd probably eat it.
I'd rather eat horse than take the prescription hormone drug Premarin. Do you know where Premarin comes from? Pre-mar-in: Pregnant-Mare-Urine. Google up PMU Farms, they're worse than a slaughter house by far, because the torture continues over the course of their breeding age. Also, many of the foals produced on PMU farms end up in slaughter.
Horses touch such a nerve for us as a country, because horses have had such an impact on us. There would be no cowboys without horses, and the west would have been settled in a completely different way. There's nothing that isn't romantic about horses. We didn't grow on horse meat, we grew on their back, as their partner. To us, they're like dogs and cats, but some cultures don't have any issue with eating dogs and cats. Some cultures won't eat pigs or cows and think it's horrible to do so, but we eat them all the time. Some people think it's wrong to eat meat at all, and people who do are horrible, and there are people who think that THOSE people are crazy.
I don't like saying it, but people should probably eat horse. There are too many of them, and just telling people that they should breed responsibly doesn't mean they do. Horses are very expensive to keep, if you keep them with the quality of care they deserve. People breed shoddy, unsound horses because they want another horse, but find it cheaper to just breed their unsound nag, and end up with further unsound foals. There are too many horses that aren't being take care of, and there's no one to take care of them. They starve. They go neglected. Find a way to dispatch them without frightening them or making them suffer, and more people would probably be on-board. Anyone who has been close enough to a horse to be able to feel its fear and pain won't go along with submitting more of them to it.
And for the love of god, people- if you care about horses, stop freaking breeding them!
i agree with you 100% on this..... although adding in a bit about people needing to educate themselves would be helpful too.
hmm you kinda make sense. I slept under a horse hide blanket, made from the family horse named Joe. As a kid I didn't think much about it except that old Joe must have been pretty warm even during the coldest nights.
Historical irony: in the Old West you would be hanged for horse thievery. We're now debating the merits of eating horsemeat. However, thanks to Boka, I am inspired to enjoy a nice slab of meat for lunch today!
I don't understand why it's ok to eat chicken and cows and not ok to eat horses. Flesh is flesh and it all involves cruelty.
There's nothing cruel about eating what we were naturally designed to eat.
Incredible. It looks like the post was at 11:15 am et and there are already 60 some plus posts. Just the beginning of the random mayhem. Lovin' it.
Activists have been trying to shut down horse slaughter forever. What do we do with all the injured or unwanted horses? They think they can just be released on some ranch in the west to live out their lives. That won't work. Its the same as abandoning them. Horse meat sales represent a great way to salvage their value. They're livestock animals just like any other bull, goat, pig, etc. Its actually more humane to end the life of an injured suffering horse through humane slaughter than to just let them go.
What do we do with all the unwanted and sick humans?
Put 'em in mental institutions & in nursing homes. We don't eat them – unless your Robert Burns ...
s/b "Robert Thorn"
eat us. we don't mind.
The cruel first world elitist adventure eating is an unhealthy way to look at food and it's unnecessary . Why is eating an animal while it's still squirming on the plate necessary for survival? Not only are people getting incredibly fat but they are becoming disgusting eaters. Why not encourage people to eat exotic fruit and veggies that will help protect their bodies from cancer vs thinking of more creative ways to kill and torture animals? Good God some people are so gross.
Oh, are plants not alive!? Don't you think that plants would rather not want you eating their gonads? I mean, what if I decided to cut open your abdomen (assuming you're a woman based on your handle) and eat your ovaries?!
While you are still alive, too!
Consider taking a Biology class, you are not too bright. Also humans have been on the menu longer than pigs don't be shocked if these idiots have people on the menu someday because you know duhhh there are cannibals in the world so duhhh why not.
LOL, maybe you should take a biology class.
Fruit = fertilized plant eggs/stamen and anther/ovary.
Vegetables = plant eggs.
The brains, the nervous system, etc.. are all completely different. Anyone who would compare a vegetable to a mammal is stupid.
And anybody who denies the "aliveness" of a plant is even worse.
Hmmm maybe you are right, your comments are convincing me that veggies have more brains than some mammals.
Pull your head outta your @ss. Who eats animals that are "still squirming on their plates??"
As far as exotic fruits and veggies.... I'd love some....right along side my big ol' greasy cheeseburger! :)
we ate either camel or horsemeat steaks every friday while I was stationed in kuwait. Pretty tasty stuff
LOL
no way!! where at? I wanna try it...
I voted Other: We have already been eating it unknowingly at fast food places. There was a big scandal a couple decades ago about McDonalds and other's serving it in hamburgers. That practice has stopped, at least in the States.
Here we go again.
They shouldn't pull the episode. People need to see that they have options beyond the extremely narrow North American viewpoint on acceptable meats. Most of the world eats a wide variety of proteins, including vegetables we don't find easily here, meats beyond beef, chicken, pork and fish, and even insects. Considering the fast rising price of our staple foods, we really should be much more open to cheaper alternatives.
But for some people, it will always be set in stone, as they are too vested in long held views.
I agree. Ever eaten Filipino Lumpia with dog meat? Absolutely mouth-watering, and very cheap.
I haven't, unfortunately, had the chance to travel out of the country, and so I've never had the chance to taste these. But I would if I could. I have quite a long list of foods to try from various countries should I chance to actually make it there.
you def should...I've eaten dog and horse and liked it very much. Haven't tried dog lumpia but sounds delicious, but for Christ sake do not eat the balut!! not because it's a duck embryo b– oh wait yeah that's a reason but not for the sentimental part but because it looks like someone puked out a little bird.
Sauce, my friend, if there was a like button, I'd have hit it. I've no plans to try Balut at this time, but maybe if I go blind in the future. I figure it must taste incredible, because you have to get past so much to try it. I also probably won't try Chinese roasted bees. But that is because I have a personal vendetta against them.
I know a lot of Hindus that don't appreciate our use of cows. And there are more Hindus in the world than there are Americans... by far.
but that is a religious reason. What have cows ever really done for us? I guess milk... but nothing worthy of honor or respect. Never as a companion.
srsly... i wonder what would happen if they cooked up a dog. it's ok in some parts of the world
Cows do a lot for us- milk and butter and cheese and your leather sandals, sofa....consider, what you have done for the world!
Those India dogs don't have much meat on their bones and pretty bad with the parasites.
You know India dogs are vegans? They pass up on the monkey meat all the time.
It seems to me we need to be promoting more of a plant based diet than an animal based diet. Clearly we are not starving here! This promotion will only lead to more of the "nasty corporate farming" we have come to know in North America. If you are addicted to flesh, get some help! Addiction is just that no matter the source...some addictions are just more socially acceptable than others.
If you have traveled anywhere in the world, you will know that what food is eaten is largely a regional and cultural thing. While the idea of eating horse is disgusting to us, it may be perfectly acceptable elsewhere. Let's not make this confrontational floks.
Really Boka??? on your second comment... Can you even see past your nose??? change your handle to BOZO
I will be completely neutral on this... Eating horse meat is just slightly more "wrong" than eating dog meat. Horses are animals that humans have domesticated to work along side us. Unlike dogs, a person's horse companion would be a key to survival. Our civilization would be nothing without the cooperation we have had with horses for thousands of years. Cooperation... not just service or sustenance... working by our side... traveling, harvesting, fighting.
Now personally, I think that for these reasons eating horse meat is beyond wrong. They deserve a level or respect from that no other animal can come close to. Lowering them to food is frankly disgusting.
of course, take that as you will,.If you are ok with eating dogs or cats, a horse is just the next level.
These are the same wild horses they gathered up after they beat them because there were 'too many of them'. Now they don't have any where to put them because they're too expensive to feed and require too much space to roam. So they want to kill them and feed them to us. wtf.
Oh, just like the cows that make up your hamburger?
"Horse face" LOL that's what I call my co worker behind her back!
This is SICK. I hope this network gets so barraged by negative publicity until they're forced off the air! What a bunch of creeps...
The U.S seems to place horses on a pedestal which itself is wrapped in an impenetrable bubble. I'm not sure why, as I grew up in a country where horses are prized as much as they are here in the U.S but they're also occasionally eaten for their game meat - which is as prized as when the animal was alive.
A horse is a horse, of course of course. It's also steaks waiting to happen.
Everyone has a right to eat how they see fit; I'm not advoating one practice over any other; however, if you would educate yourself and read about the cruel and inhumane treatment and slaughter of horses, as well as the ultra-cruel way to get foie gras, then you might be able to understand why people are so appalled. Or maybe you really just don't care how an animal is treated. For me, the quality of the animal's life before slaughter, and the way it is slaughtered, is what is important. I don't think foie gras ducks have any quality of life whatsoever and I will never touch the stuff.
foie gras is a naturally occurring thing in the bird anyway, it's not cruel. The article itself tells you that the egyptians discovered the bird's enlarged liver right before migration. It just happened to be delicious...
I do not see people making a big deal out of beef or chickens or lamb or turkey or trout or goat... get the picture? We are omnivores our entire diet is supposed to be made up of veggies, fruits and meat and animal product. People eat monkey and Saint Bernard too. This show is doing nothing barbaric. What is barbaric is how much we consume and waste. You know how to cut waste? eat of those that are overpopulated. Like deer.
Deer meat is sooo good! We do have a huge surplus of deer and elk in our area. This is my first year hunting and am looking forward to a a freezer full of meat.
Because most Americans don't think of those animals (cows, pigs, etc) as pets. Even the horse, which at one time was merely a work animal, is now almost a pet too (emotional bond between horse and owner/rider).
They're just another animal, what's the big ruckus? There are 3 categories of animal
Useful
Tasty
Worthless.
So horses are both useful for transportation and taste good too. What's the big deal? We're at the top of the food chain, what's wrong with enjoying that fact?
You're a jerk.
dogs have even less value.. and even less of a history.
lets cook up Fido!
My parents used to live next to a Hopi reservation in Arizona. Their friends on the reservation used to tell them to keep their two dogs (we had a Rottweiler and a mutt) locked up or with them at all times because people on the reservation would catch the dogs, kill them, then cook and eat them. Fortunately, this never happened to my parents, but a nearby person did lose their dog in this manner.
I take it that vegans fit into category three?
At an Arab table, as a guest, you'd not be served the goat that WAS to be the family meal, but lamb, a more expensive and useful animal. For honored guests and great celebrations, you'd be served camel. Camel being key to transportation and a measure of wealth in the culture, you can guess that this is a grand feast. They would LITERALLY put an ENTIRE camel on a gigantic platter, surrounding the camel with rice, herbs and vegetables.
hmmm that just made me really hungry...screw this grilled cheese!! give me a camel!!
Whale Meat, Dog Meat, I've had almost all meats. Never had cat or horse though. I am interested.
Who gives a damn? It's horse meat. People eat it all the time. People eat dog meat and cat meat, all the time. Horse meat is no different. It's like condemning a lizard for eating baby rats, just because the rats're cuter.
Yuri we get it, you're one tough meat eater....now get a life
One of the greatest parts of being in America is our freedom to enjoy any culture or cultures we feel is the best fit for ourselves. then again it gives people the freedom to try to push their views as being the right one and are shamed by them for their narrow mindedness. Not unlike the vegan above who feels their opinion is what I need to live my life by.
eating a horse is as pointless as eating any other animal.
it all lacks intelligence as and all of it should be taken off air.
animal eaters are everything that is wrong with the world today.
Imagine, a world in which humanit never reached sentience. Now, would we be able to use tofu as a sub? No. We need animal meat.
*humanity
Wrong
I love how vegetarians and vegans feel like it's not ok to kill a LIVING animal. Yet they can eat any LIVING plant they want. I guess since plants haven't developed a voice box in order to scream or cry then it's ok to eat them too. Talk about a barbaric outlook.
They want to be like plants and make their own food, some folks failed biology class.
Go vegetarian/vegan!! There is no need anymore for killing animals to eat. What about killing humans to eat? They must tasty after years of seasoning/salt/sugar.
Soylent Green is people! And we are eating it. Catch up dude.
Why do vegan zealots always bring in cannibalism? It's an increasingly useless argument that makes you automatically sound ignorant.
Why does meat eater mean cannibalism? Eating meat is a healthy part of a well rounded diet.
Really quite simple. Horsemeat is a viable component of Frech Cuisine, and many others....
Turn off the TV and read a book, maybe "Black Beauty" if you are offended.
@Mike "Guess we evolved canines and incisors just for show, huh?"
Yeah, just like Gorillas who have even larger incisors and eat no meat...
You are probably more correct because the canines were probably developed for display and some fighting, who knows for sure? BUT, the best argument for meat eating is that none of us would be posting if it wasn't for ingestion of meat by early hominids. It is largely supported that the introduction of meat (high protein) was the single most important factor in brain development and separating man from other animals. Early man could not have eaten enough insects daily to attain the protein needed for high intellect development, so the winner is, Meat by a hare.
Sorry, Warren.
Gorillas have been known to be cannibalistic for quite some time.
So are chimps, baboons, macaques, etc.
Very well, I'll go with HISTORY. Even fossilized remains of animals at the most ancient of human habitations showed signs of butchering. Some of the same marks that can be found on bones after a butcher has dressed the meat now were found on those bones, with, of course, more crude implements making them.
So, I can quote dig results going back 5 million years, I can quote digs going back 15000 years.
Humans are omnivorous, the meat providing the extra energy that our oversized, underutilized brain requires.
Vegan diet is unnatural, as we cannot create certain nutrients that are found only in meat, hence the vegan's turning to vitamins and other supplements or becoming ill.
I'll stick with a balanced diet, vegetables, some fungi, fruits and beans keeping my meat company.
But, I tend to have smaller meat servings than many, the good rule of thumb to use for healthy consumption of food is this: Eat as much meat as you can catch with a knife. Eat the other foods in proportion that you could find them in the environment.
News flash! The french buy horse meat from the USA. We cull the wild mustang herds, slaughter and send frozen carcass to France who then pay BLM for the meat. The french don't raise horses for food too expensive. They get our culled horses. Win-win. The horses are slaughtered anyway so at least folks can enjoy the fresh free range wild horse meat. I have eaten it in France before and it tastes just like very lean beef. No growth hormones either. Our country won't readily tell us this though...
Just to clarify, most of the horses slaughtered are not wild mustangs. Many are bought cheaply at local auctions, so there is no regulation over their condition, disease, or ingestion of medications. A substantial number of horses slaughtered are also thoroughbreds that are being overbred; those that do not make it on the track often end up being slaughtered. These animals could certainly have good careers in other parts of the horse industry, but there are simply too many due to a lack of regulation on breeding. It is undeniable that these racehorses are highly likely to be on numerous medications during their racing careers, and at the time of slaughter. So the idea that horse meat is "natural" meat from wild mustangs is a myth.
So what's worse? Horse owners who are economically unable to support their horses' dietary and medical needs so they either dump them at other farms or kill them and then dump the bodies on other farms (because they can't pay for proper disposal either) or horse owners who sell them to slaughter houses? Don't believe it happens? I know several horse owners who have had live or dead horses dropped on their farms in recent years. But which is worse? Seriously? I am not trying to be sarcastic, I really think it's an issue worth discussing.
Actually, a LOT of horse meat comes from the premarin production for estrogen. When the horse becomes unproductive, it is sold off for meat. That meat can either go to the dinner table OR to pet/animal feed.
As the horses are not given drugs, they are able to go to the dinner table, under USDA inspection and guidelines.
Honestly, for me, it's not an issue. It is meat, pure and simple. Those who say, "Why not eat human" are idiots, they humanize an animal and refuse to recognize reality. Give them their way with one animal, soon we'd not even be able to eat fish, be vitamin deficient, protein deficient and sickly to dying.
Those fine people can kindly keep their minds away from my dinner plate! What *I* eat is my business, not theirs.
I'll eat rabbit if I want to, goat, lamb, horse, duck, chicken, pork, American Bison, ostrich or any other legal meat. And I'll fight any attempt to remove an animal from a foodstuff list because they think it's a person.
You're disgusting.
The horsemeat that you ate in France is not from any culling of any wild mustangs. They fed you a load of hogwash. Horses that are slaughtered and sent overseas are from anywhere. There is no regulation, of any kind, of these horses. Some are from off the track. Some are from backyards. Many have had drugs, vaccinations, wormers, and things that are labled "not for use in animals intended for human consumption".
You are right. But even the Mustangs are not free from the same chemicals as domestic horses. Mustangs are wormed and often they are given Bute for injuries sustained in the BLM roundups.
The wild mustangs go to france. The other sick or random horses are sold for zoo feed as well as rendering. Check with the BLM and educate your ignorant self.
http://www.igha.org/USDA.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_slaughter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_meat
Wiki is hardly a source for valid information.
The fact is, that you are incorrect. Horses that are sold for slaughter are random. There is no mustang slaughterhouse for meat bound for France. It does not exist. French are eating horsemeat that is not regulated, or checked for anything at all.
The BLM is prohibited by law to sell wild horses to slaughter. That doesn't necessarily mean they don't, but they say they don't.
Exactly right. I am a horse owner and lover, but they are LIVESTOCK, people. I wouldn't eat my own horse, but that's because I know what drugs I've given her. If I were raising horses for consumption, like people raise cows, that's an entirely different thing. And by the way, you can have a good relationship with ANY type of mammal.
Would it surprise you to learn that the FDA classifies horses as Companion Animals? That's because most of them these days are just that – companion/recreational partners. Anyone who doesn't believe this is sadly out of step. Horses make wonderful companions. I should know – they've been my best buddies for over 30 years.
Here we go again! Ok everyone get your boxing gloves on. Match 1: Carnivores vs Vegans/Veggies. Match 2: Horse Lovers vs Horse Eaters. Throw in morals, ethics, a bible verse and you get Super Monday Bonus points!
Ding, Ding!
Hahahahaha-Good One.
Welcome to CNN, everybody! It's where you come for the articles, but stay for the comments. Let the battle begin!
You got that right. I have almost completely stopped reading CNN articles and go straight to the postings to see the battle(s).
The veggies have already lost, because they come right out with "Everyone should be just like me." Sorry, it's more like everyone should be like Bubba.
Maybe at your house but not at mine. Vegan's on average are probably the least healthy. While I don't think I would order horse if were on the menu I won't condemn those that do eat it. I just hope we don't start making pets of cows, chickens, turkeys and pigs. Oh-we already do and we are still eating them.
Rodney you should also try dog and cat, since you are such a meat eater. I hear they are delicious also. Human meat also is quite delicious as some cultures practice that also. I hear it tastes just like pork, So enjoy!!!!
No, it's a viable part of worldwide cuisine. Ever watch an episode of Andrew Zimmern's Bizarre Foods? How often is it about hamburgers & pizza? Cultures all over the world eat foods that seem disagreeable to us. What some people forget is the vice versa: we eat foods that other cultures wouldn't eat with a ten-foot fork either.
Ok, you don't eat horsemeat. Then don't watch the show. Caught it anyway? Sorry I have one of those modern TV's where I can change the channel – maybe you don't. Maybe, just maybe, there's someone out there, who isn't you, they do eat horsemeat and they would find the show entertaining.
Hamburgers and pizza? YUCK! OK, pizza once in a while, but not hamburgers, they're tasteless.
Now, lamb burgers, YUM! Goat meat is great too. American Bison is excellent lean meat. Ostrich is great too.
But then, I've been all over the world and eat in 27 languages.
Horse? Haven't had it yet, but is mostly because my butcher doesn't stock it-or the rabbit that they have a sign up with prices for.
Are you high or just crazy? Do you wish humans on the menu next? I think all that meat gave you a disease of the brain. The level of socio paths in this world boggles the mind! Hope I dont crash on a mountain in a plane soon or your crazy self just might Eat ME! :((((( WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF?????????
@Alee-"don't watch it?" that would be too simple to do, you gotta remember these are the same people who complain that TV is not raising their kids...or that certain music is making their kids misbehave. Really? how about do your job as a parent and YOU raise your kids instead of rellying on TV or "role models" to do it for you. And the same goes for what food you want yourself or your family to eat, if you want to be so shut off to the many cultures around the world who eat all these meals we think are weird then by all means keep your sheltered life. If it's in my plate I'm going to eat it, specially if someone is offering to me as part of their culture.
OK then they also should air an episode about dogs and cats which are also considered a delicacy in many countries.
I've eaten a dog when I went to S. Korea and it was delicious...haven't tried cat yet but I would if it was cooked to perfection.
Do horses have short ribs?
CNN... Please spell-check your articles before publishing. It's pretty annoying. I know you want to get stories out as quickly as possible, but letting your writers continually publish articles with typos and poor grammar makes for some annoying reading. Just an FYI.
Knot gnearly as anoying as peoples filing coments pages wining about tipos and mis-spelin's.
Eye gnow. Itz sew stoopid.
Yoo knead tew pull thatt hare out ov yer azz.
Geph, u ar a reatordeed maron who kares to musch abut stooped stuph.
Jeff, why don't you just go to your coat closet and complain there? It is JUST as effective as complaining here.
Now, if you want RESULTS, use the contact page on the site, click the link for spelling/grammar errors.
Jeff, wzrd had an important tip for you. Also, stop whining.
i love, love, LOVE, horse hoof soup. oh, and don't forget that horse balls dipped in ostrich blood makes for a delicious appetizer. muy caliente!! when i don't have time to forge over the grill to make this scrumptious dishes, i just head to mcdonalds for my fill. side note: you can make a great soup out of almost any part of the horse. a must try indeed.
Then this shouldn't surprise you. If I saw you and a horse caught in a barn on fire, I'd try to get the horse out ... and leave you.
What makes a horse any more special than a cow?
That's the correct ch-ch-ch-ch-choice T-T-T-Tommy. Humans don't taste as yummy.
Thank you, Mike. These horse people are just really, really out there. It's pretty scary how delusional they are.
The horse would promptly go back into the barn and drag you with it. Not sentient but senseless. Problem solved.
It's those Damn Vegan French Canadians causing all the ruckus!! Meat for ALL.
Vegan is where the USA is headed in terms of diet. So I can't see how a show could be promoted to use animal meats. It's pretty barbaric.
Guess we evolved canines and incisors just for show, huh?
I used to love making that counter argument too however I must point out horses have canines too.....
Guess we didnt evovle at all. see gorillas, pandas and many other species that have big "meat eating" teeth and eat no meet. About the story, some things are just wong and evil. certain animals were made for food and some are clearly not. but the lust and appitites of man know no bounds and thus we perish. horses are very sentient animals. There are sentient animals and there are non sentient animals. You dont eat anything you can have an intelligent, emotional relationship with. its pretty basic.
Alright, try living in a normal environment - with absolutely NO artificial help - and see how long you last without meat. Just go ahead! You'll be dead of a protein deficiency within a couple of months, if not sooner.
Please don't hurt the horses, they're so much prettier than cows...
Eric, that is exactly the kind of mentality that makes problems like this occur in the first place.
@Yuri – but we are not in a natural environment.
One of the nice things about civilization is it allows us to make ethical choices that a wild one does not. This is also why we tend to not do things like slaughter our neighbors and take their 6 year old daughters as breeding slaves... perfectly acceptable in humanities's natural condition, but it is probably a good thing that we decided against it in society.
Yuri, I know. I guess I should have made the sarcastic nature of my comment more visible. LOL.
The funny thing about this entire argument is that there is probably a handful of people defending the horses while gleefully eating a burger!
I will not address Boka's comment.
Neeneko; not everybody is so privileged as you or I - many the vast majority of people don't have access to the same level of "civilization" you or I do.
Damn, I used a "strike" tag but it didn't work. Damn CNN's spotty CSS code support! Damn it all to hell!
It's worth mentioning that humans have eaten horse for about as long as we have eaten cow. The fact that we don't eat it much in the US anymore is most likely the product of a powerful beef lobby. It's still very common in many other developed nations. The argument that you shouldn't eat a horse because they can be your "friend" is absurd. Any animal that you feel will like you. You can make friends with anything with a stomach. Don't get me wrong. I love animals, but none of the opinions for not eating horse come across as valid. Personally, I haven't tried horse, but if it was served to me, I would.
*any animal that you feed will like you.
@Hellbindercda Okay besides the other totally nonsense bull you spew, this is particularly hilarious. "see gorillas, pandas and many other species that have big "meat eating" teeth and eat no meet."
First of all, learn to spell. Secondly, it is hilarious because actually gorillas and pandas both DO eat meat. Pandas will eat fish, eggs, and other small mammals occasionally, and gorillas have even been known to be cannibals. So, you are either too stupid to know this, or you are lying. Either way please be quiet you are lowering all of our IQs.
If we can shoot and eat Bambi, then the same goes for horses.
Hellbindercda, you have it backwards....unless you're super religious or something, I'm assuming you believe in evolution. "Certain animals" weren't created or not created for men to eat, but men evolved in such a way in response to his environment that we COULD eat animals (or not eat certain animals)....because that's what was there to eat. The only animals I'm aware of that were created "for men" are domesticated ones like dogs, even they started off as wolves.
You must have teeth like a dog, my canines and incisors have atrophied to the point where they match my evolved vegetarian teeth.
Horses are not for dinner. Hey U2stupid why not eat humans as the story stated since other countries considered a food item when consumed then one should devour humans as some countries have cannibals. Maybe they can start with those whom feel that all food items are allowed on the table. I commend you for using your last name for the end of your beside the musical group U2.
@Hellbindercda – I'll give you that gorillas don't eat meat (their canines are mostly used for defense). However pandas absolutely will and do eat meat. So do chimpanzees and bonobos.
Also, your comment about an intelligent, emotional relationship is based on stand point. If you were raised with the belief that dogs are only for food then you would not have any problems with eating one. Similarly, if you were raised with the belief that cows are sacred (India) you would absolutely have issues with killing and eating one. You can have an emotional and intelligent relationship with many animals. For example, pigs can be trained just like a dog and are relatively common pets around the world...
Aezel, pandas are extremely specialized and really do eat only bamboo and only a few kinds at that. Look it up. Gorillas have never been known to cannabilize and the only "meat" they have been observed to eat is the occasional insect. You are thinking of chimpanzees. Look that up too. Please get your facts straight before publishing your obvious lack of knowledge. Silverback gorillas can reach 800 lbs- all on vegetable matter- and could pund your head in with one blow. We don't need meat either but human males, just like male chimpanzees, love to hunt and kill animals and then eat their meat. Some day we may eveolve too but I see that is millions of years into our future.
Yuri, blatantly incorrect statements like yours ("...see how long you last without meat.") basically negate all credibility to any valid points you may have. I didn't eat meat for 10 years – lived entirely off of fruits, vegetables, fungi and legumes, and I did just fine. In fact, in that 10 years I wasn't sick once, and averaged about 6 hours of sleep a night. Since then I've been eating meat in proper proportions, and eat almost entirely natural/organic for the past 10 years, and have been exactly the same, except for a bout of food poisoning from a carryout pizza.
@Dan: where did you learn horses have canine teeth? They do not, as they are herbivores and have, as far as i know, never eaten meat. they do have 8 sharp teeth up front (4 on top, 4 on bottom), which are used as defense tools, along with their hooves, but no canines. all the rest of their teeth, in the back of the mouth are molars used to grind grains and grasses.
as to everyone else who is saying this is wrong and so controversial: the killing of horses is, unfortunately, one of those necessary evils in the world. true, the US no longer owns any slaughterhouses, but plenty of US horses, some even million-dollar racehorses are in the slaughter pens daily and go for pennies on the pound to the kill buyers. i do think it is wrong to send such a highly trained athlete to a kill pen and they should instead be retired, at the ripe old age of around 5 or 6, to a retirement farm or be retrained to do other jobs.
HOWEVER, too many people breed horses simply 'because they can' and the result is an overpopulation of horses that no one can care for. female horses, mares, cannot be spayed, as a dog or cat can, but male horses (born stallions) can be gelded, which is basically a neutering. in order to get the high population of sick, uncared for and generally unwanted horses off of people's paychecks, slaughterhouses are a necessity. and if the meat from the horses can go to feed people, then so be it.
how many of you people saying that slaughterhouses are wrong eat meat? I think it's wrong to slaughter a horse for meat, but i am perfectly ok with eating a cow or chicken.
@PonyKillers – Eat Humans? Hmmm. It would be a more environmentally friendly way of disposing the bodies. Think Soylent Green.
yes, many if not most horses do have canine teeth. They interfere with the bit and are generally extracted.
TABOO TERRITORY? We're way deeper into taboo territory than horse meat, my friends. Check out the video posted today at NoShmeat (dot com, of course). It will put this article into perspective (not graphic, just very informative). Taboo is not the word I thought of...
Actually, gorrillas do eat some meat, but not often. Also, you cannot compare species. Dogs for example, can actually go vagan with lots of suplements, cats on the other hand will die without meat. Humans are omnivore, our bodies are made for both, period. If you like it, eat it, if not, don't, that simple. Don't tell me what I can or cannot eath though, it's non of your damn buisness.
Forget the teeth. We have binocular vision so we can judge distance to our prey. Herbivores have an eye on each side of their head so they can watch for predators, but mammalian predators typically have two forward-facing eyes.
Horse meat was not always taboo, in fact it was at one point a delicacy. The reason it became taboo was because in the dark ages the church wanted there to be a large supply of horses around at all times so that they could quickly raise an army and so that they could resupply the crusades. Unfortunately little has changed since then. Horse is delicious too ;) get at me PETA
"evolved canines" to eat horse meat?
Just goes to show how the silly evolution ideology is just a substitute for the ridiculous religious ideology: Ignoramuses need to occupy the mind with something, anything stupid. And if religion is rubbish, then evolution nonsense must be a 'reasonable' alternative. NOT!
Since when dont Monkeys eat meat? Ive watched a monkey catch a catfish and eat it. So all of your other claims go to the BS bin as well....
Umm...it isn't possible to have an intelligent, emotional relationship with a species that can't communicate it's thoughts to you. And no, you can't "see it in thier eyes". The fact of the matter is that humans are at the top of the food chain. Everything below that was created to nourish humans, rather directly or indirectly as food for another animal. Vegans are radical, dangerous people who can't be reasoned with.
I'm not condoning the practice of eating horse meat, but I have no problem with it either. I'd rather eat a horse than own one for the practice of racing it. And no, I've never eaten horse meat. Nor have I owned a race horse. I suspect the latter would be far more profitable.
'see gorillas, pandas and many other species that have big "meat eating" teeth and eat no meet [sic].'
– Hellbindercda
As stated before, pandas in nature will eat meat when available to them. As not yet stated, pandas evolved to consume an omnivorous diet like all other bears. Their subsisting mostly on bamboo is why they are so sessile–their stomachs don't digest bamboo well enough for them to be more energetic. It's something of a problem for them as a species, limiting their ability to get around and even breed.
Hellbindercda
Pigs are plenty sentient, and we eat pork as a mainstay in the United States, so I don't see how that argument holds any water. The truth of the matter is that the reason we do not eat cats, dogs, and horses is that there is an emotional attachment that we have culturally to them. Some cultures do not have cats and dogs as pets, and they use them for food. Some cultures do not see horses in the same light as we do, and they use them for food likewise. To argue that this is not morally equivalent to us eating pigs, cows, and the like seems culturally obtuse.
Gee, Mike, I think you kind of missed the point. We are not discussing eating MEAT, we are taliking about eating HORSES!
Yuri, I hate to break it to you but you can easily get all of the protein you need from fruits, vegetables, grains, nuts and seeds. Peoples ignorance never ceases to amaze me.
Horse meat is unfit for humans to eat. Food and Chemical Toxicology, Volume 48, Issue 5, May 2010, Pages 1270-1274
Association of phenylbutazone usage with horses bought for slaughter: A public health risk
Nicholas Dodman, Nicolas Blondeau, Ann M. Marini http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T6P-4YF5RB0-1&_user=10&_coverDate=05%2F31%2F2010&_alid=1317753422&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_cdi=5036&_sort=r&_docanchor=&view=c&_ct=4&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=2f8a2c55a559e5963d0f1e02b682319c
Nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs – prohibited as well Phenylbutazone, known as "bute," is a veterinary drug only label-approved by the Food & Drug Administration for use by veterinarians in dogs and horses. It has been associated with debilitating conditions in humans and it is absolutely not permitted for use in food-producing animals. USDA/FSIS has conducted a special project to for this drug in selected bovine slaughter plants under federal inspection. An earlier pilot project by FSIS found traces less than 3% of the livestock selected for testing, sufficient cause for this special project. There is no tolerance for this drug in food-producing livestock, and they and their by-products are condemned when it is detected. Dairy producers must not use this drug in food-producing livestock and if it is found, those producers will be subject to FDA investigation and possible prosecution. http://www.saanendoah.com/prohibiteddrugs.html
Horse Owner Survey Shows NSAID Use Trends
In a recent survey, 96% of respondents said they used nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) to control the joint pain and inflammation in horses, and 82% administer them without always consulting their veterinarian. More than 1,400 horse owners and trainers were surveyed to better understand attitudes toward NSAIDs, in a project sponsored by Merial, the maker of Equioxx (firocoxib).
http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=14073
99 percent of horses that started in California last year raced on bute, according to Daily Racing Form. Bute is banned in the United States and Canada for horses intended for the food chain. That’s a permanent ban.
Nonsteroidal Medication (NSAID’s)
Phenylbutazone (Bute), flunixin meglamine (Banamine), and ketoprofen (Ketofen) are the most common NSAID’s used in horses while aspirin and ibuprofen are the most commonly used NSAID’s in humans. These are very effective in eliminating discomfort and are usually the first line of therapy in minor musculoskeletal pain.
http://www.aaep.org/health_articles_view.php?id=253
NSAIDs The systemic NSAID group includes phenylbutazone (Butazolidin) and flunixin meglumine (Banamine), which are 2 of the most widely prescribed drugs in equine medicine.
Volume 25, Issue 3, Pages 98-102 (March 2005)
Dr Anthony Blikslager, DVM, PhD, DACVS (Associate Professor)a, Dr Sam Jones, DVM, PhD, DACVIM (Associate Professor)b
http://www.j-evs.com/article/S0737-0806%2805%2900061-4/abstract
Horses probably have more antibiotics in them then any food animal and the FDA Says Antibiotics In Meat A "Serious Public Health Threat
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/29/fda-antibiotics-meat-limi_n_629484.html
Ann Emerg Med. 1991 Feb;20(2):204-7.
Poisoning with equine phenylbutazone in a racetrack worker.
Newton TA, Rose SR.
Source
Division of Emergency Medicine, University of Florida Health Science Center, Jacksonville 32209.
Abstract
Phenylbutazone is a potent nonsteroidal, anti-inflammatory drug often used by veterinarians to treat racetrack animals. Its use in human beings is limited because of significant adverse effects and the availability of newer, safer drugs. We report the case of a 24-year-old man who ingested 17 g of equine phenylbutazone over a 24-hour period to treat the pain of a toothache. He developed grand mal seizures, coma, hypotension, respiratory and renal failure, and hepatic injury. Serum phenylbutazone concentration obtained approximately eight hours after presentation was 900 micrograms/mL. The patient recovered during six weeks of intensive supportive care and repeated hemodialysis.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1996808
@Hellbindercda Is your horse mR. ED? How can you have an intelligent, emotional relationship with a horse? I dont understand sentient animals? Who makes up this stuff? Man has dominion over all animals what makes a horse different from a cow? I would eat a tarantula (and I love them too) Horses are not endangered. If it can be safely prepared. serve it. No crime. just choice. We should all respect each others choice
Hi Mike,
If you are a true carnivore let's see you run and pounce on the haunches of a horse and bring her down. Sorry buddy, but your canines are more for biting into an apple and your fingers can peel a banana. Your intestines are long; flesh should not sit in them, it putrefies. The list is endless on why humans should be vegan. We are not evolving. Just because we have technology does not make us the best and smartest species on the planet. Animals communicate on a much higher level than we do. We need to learn to live in harmony and respect our brethren that we share this planet with.
Boka, way to beg the question. "Vegan is where the USA is headed"? LOL!
Veganism is unnatural. Humans are omnivorous by design. Veganism typically involves a gross over-consumption of carbs, and the consumption of agricultural grain is amongst the most UNNATURAL things we put in our bodies.
If you want to live a vegan lifestyle, go for it. But don't pretend it's healthy or natural. It's not. In fact, it's inherently unhealthy unless very careful steps are taken...steps that the average person cannot be reasonably expected to adhere to (if they can even afford it).
Note that none of this is related to the means by which meat is produced. Certainly, there are better ways by which we could both treat our livestock and improve the healthfulness of the meat produced in one fell swoop.
"Humans are omnivorous by design"
Design? oh great another creationist weirdo. I don't need to read your comment any further. This is where I ignore you.
I don't have an opinion to voice on the topic at hand, but just want to say how thrilled I am to see someone use the phrase "beg the question" correctly.
LOL boka, "design" means "evolution" you stupid little wanker.
Would the statement "the design of our bodies are for omnivorous lifestyle." be better?
I am no creationist, but humans are not made (however it happened) to be vegan....
If you can't see that you are blinded by your faith in a certain lifestyle.
Boka, you're an idiot. Just because people say "design" doesn't mean they're Creationists. Guess what, you designed your post – that must mean you're a Creationist too. Get a life!
I'm no creationist. It's called "evolution".
And it's ironic that you say that, as I consider Vegans and Creationists to be very similar: fanatical quacks who allow emotion to bend their observation of facts.
But you go ahead and enjoy your iron and fat deficiencies, and keep basing the majority of your diet on what amounts to birdseed.
None of you know where matter, space, or the rules that govern time through gravity and other forces come from, or how they came to be, or why... yet you are all 100% sure that there is no God based on your own little limited, finite view of reality. Yet the evidence of design in all of creation testifies to you daily that there is a God. A Singular creative mind with power, will, and emotion. On top of that your own consiences tell you day by day that this is so. Yet you intentionally blow it off and do whatever you can to reprogram yourselves to think and beleive against what is obvious.
This is why mankind, including you, is in troubble.
Just because I can believe in Evolution, doesn't mean I don't believe in a God. Separate the two, they're not dependent on each other. It's people who assume, as you are doing, who seem to cause the most issues. Evolution and God are independent thoughts, just because I believe we came from monkeys, does not mean I don't believe in a higher power, or even possibly in the idea of intelligent design. – Assume – Ass of you and me.
But Cheetos and fruit roll-ups? Now, that's "natural" and "healthy." Mike: grow up and go learn a thing or two about nutrition. Sheesh.
No, there is nothing about saying design=evolution. You're all wrong.
at 0226 or whatever you call yourself.
Slaughtering of horses is a bandaid solution to overbreeding and the lack of respect "humans" have for anything that has a pulse.Actually Allen it was Patton who ordered his troops to save some horses that the russians were going to eat because they were starving. Horses were saved and it prevented a magnificent breed from being extinct
Horse meat is not cheap and is considered a delicacy so if you all believe this is going to be feeding the needy so you are all way off. How about some Bute for lunch?
I love cheetos!! and fruit rool ups are awesome...how dare you call them unhealthy?!
You get 20 points for using "beg the question" correctly.
Actually Eric vegans aren't carbo loaders. I'm sure some can be but I would say the most are health driven. I eat fruits and veggies, quinoa, wild rice, rice noodles/ crackers, etc. I don't just eat PBJ's all day. Also it is expensive to eat organic, but vegan not so much. Think of how expensive meats and cheeses are! Plus you really do save money on health care- I don't have to take vitamins because I get them from my food. But yeah I get that its not for everyone, that's fine- I do really agree that treating animals humanly is incredibly important.
Horses have never been breed to be eaten as far as I know or want to know. What I know for a fact is we have used the Horse in wars, plows, and for riding. Our horses are having a tough time to survive. So to have a show encouraging eating horse meat is the worse thing that can happen to and for them!!!!!
Taylor – what do you think fruits, veggies, etc. are? They're carbs! Learn a little more about nutrition. And for all of you vegetarians that think you're removed from the killing of animals – get a grip. What do you think happens when land is cleared for planting those precious crops? The animals that lived there are displaced and you can bet some are killed in and due to the process.
Mike, according to the American Dietetic Association, eating a vegan diet is completely healthy at all stages of life. Look it up for yourself. I would trust their word, and the words of my vegan friends who have been so for YEARS, over the word of some random person who wants to justify their selfish desire to eat meat simply because one "can." I am also a vegan, so I think my own life experiences speak for more highly than yours. I have not ONCE been sick since I went vegan, and have never been in bad health. There are many things that we, as a society, have done n the past that we no longer do, and the same argument is always used, that we "have" to, or that it's our "choice." That is hardly a justification. Also, just because humans are able to be omnivorous doesn't mean that we "have" to, nor that we "should." The fact of the matter is that MANY peple of the world subsisted on largely vegetarian diets for thousands of years. it is precisely because of their adoption of the largely meat-based Western diet by countries such as China, that they are now seeing skyrocketing rates of obesity, heart disease, etc. So just because you want to justify your selfish desire to eat meat, don't try to shore up your argument with lies. Vegansim for humans is perfectly healthy.
I feel like going hunting armed with only a hunting blade. it's bloodier and much more fun.
You ARE right, marco. It WOULD be bloody. You'd get gored, trampled, bitten, etc. Then, your erstwhile prey would wander off doing their equivalent of laughter.
Endurance hunting gets the job done. Humans are built to run their prey into the ground. I've successfully harvested snow-shoe hares using this technique (surprisingly easy, but man the scream of a snow-shoe hare will haunt you for the remainder of your life).
I've also ran whitetail deer to the point of complete exhaustion (takes between one and two hours). And by exhaustion I am talking about being unable to effectively walk, much less run or fight. A pointy stick into the neck would have been sufficient to effect a kill.
So yea, a knife will get the job done. Easily.
Cows are more ethical than horses? Really?
Neither horses or cattle are native to North America. Cattle can (and often do) destroy the very land they graze on. I don't know about horses. The better alternatives are buffalo, deer, elk, caribou and moose. I've had them all and can attest they are tasty (caribou especially).
Food production in the west is a mess. We use some of the healthiest protein available, soybeans, to feed cows. The result, beef isn't nearly as healthy. Plus we suffer a net reduction in protein in the bargain. Millions go hungry while we convert 10g of easily transported soy protein into 1g of beef protein (citation needed, I know), which must be refrigerated. All at the expense of the environment.
Cattle vs horses is the wrong discussion to be having. Neither belongs in North America. Cull them all and replace them with their tasty native alternatives. Let them eat grass while we stuff ourselves full of soy protein (tastes bad, I know). Much better model.
We eat cows because industrial production of beef is very profitable. Go capitalism.
if i saw you comming at me with a knife in the woods you would have a bullet in your head real fast!
then why are animals so delicious? so... juicy.... savory.... and melt in your mouth, delicious....
omg, somebody give me a pony and some A1 sauce, NOW!
LOL, good one 'hmm'
Pedophiles think raping little kids feels good too, that hardly makes it okay.
On what information to you base your comment regarding:
"Vegan is where the USA is headed in terms of diet."
Vegan IS the US is going, can't you tell by the all time high beef, pork and chicken sales?
Obviously people are buying the meat and giving it a burial.
In their stomachs.
LOL @ wzrd1–btw I've eaten horse meat in Germany and dog in S. Korea, I liked the latter better for some reason. Maybe it was they way my buddy grilled the horse meat, I t hink he overcooked it. If people do believe in evolution and all that then they should know that the most popular belief as to why humans evolved bigger brains was because they started eating meat. Oh and why pediatricians tell you to feed your baby whole milk until the age of 2 so that they will develop a strong spine and all the fat helps develop their brain. But then again if all animals in the wild kingdom stopped eating meat because the "antelope was too pretty" or because "a horse is majestic". I disagree with killing animals for sport if you're not going to eat it, and just plain slaughter a whole species for the hell of it...but if i was hungry in the wild I would kill whatever came in front of me. And I can already hear all the crazies AKA vegans yell murder and ask me if I'd eat a human...well many people in desperate situations have eaten another human being, I wouldn't count it out. Haven't you ever seen the movie "Alive"?
What does dog taste like?
They taste a little ruff.
@Sauce. While I haven't eaten dog or horse, and don't want to, I can agree with what you're saying. People don't realize that what we find acceptable to eat depends mostly on the culture we're born into.
I have no intentions on ever eating what we've made into domestic pets but if my family were starving, my pets would be slaughtered to feed them. While I love my pet bunnies, fried rabbit sure does taste good. And though I love the horse I've had for 13 years, while others came and went, if he could save the people I love from going hungry, he would be served up.
it actually tastes a lot like beef, and not gamey at all...very tender. I had a stew and a salad with some spicy sauce they use a lot over there.
yep, it's all about survival, and although I love and respect nature I do not put their value higher than that of a human being specially my own family
You just summed it up very well!
Reply to Sauce: If you believe that humans developed larger brains because they starteed eating meat then you should look at the Raptors and Tiranisaurs Rex!!! They ate meat far longer than any other animal. They should have become very intelligent and dominated the world. Of course that did not happen or WE would all be a food source and not discussing this issue at all. But you have tto believe in evolution.
I bet it doesn't taste like chicken.
You are delusional. Most Vegans are. The only direction our country's diet is going is towards processed foods. Only the rich can afford the vegan/organic diet yet all vegans have their heads up their holes when it comes to other people's dietary needs. The single most self centered group of activists that their are (The dalia lama eats meat due to medical issues – who has the right to dictate someone's health simply because they have too much love for animals).
Actually, there's a plethora of affordable and nourishing plant-based options. I am vegan and my salary is moderate, not high. Still, I manage to purchase most of what I need and want without trouble. I think the myth that veganism is expensive is perpetuated by those who have not tried it, and who, frankly, have no intention of trying it. Hence the propagation of inaccurate information. For those who want to go vegan – and I know there are many – just look at how many "vegan shows" have been on television in the last year: Oprah, Martha Stewart, Dr. Oz, to name a few – read up on nutrition and affordable dietary options. Then give it a whirl! If you do it properly, you'll look and feel great – and I'd bet that you'll be the one to rarely get sick amongst your circle of non-vegan friends and co-workers!
you are incorrect.
So please explain to me how or why is it considerd to be evolved if you are Vegan?
Because they like to ride their high horse....
Because we have more fully evolved away from our primal bend towards "bloodlust" and our primitative need to eat animals to survive, same as some of the Old British Royality evolved away from their love of cannibalism; http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1389142/British-royalty-dined-human-flesh-dont-worry-300-years-ago.html#ixzz1MujgdSpz
Just cause a traditon is "old" doenst make it good or worth keeping....having the wherewithall to discern what to keep and or improve on or what to dispense with entirely can only be acertained by a fully developed (evolved / and or educated ) mind,....True answers will not come from a mind arrested in development since cavemen days.
Who cares it's just lunch. Horses are animals used for transportation, work, and sometimes consumption.
Common sense has no place here. Please take an extreme and unreasonable position.
Vegan diets are one of the least healthy diets around, especially dangerous for pregnant and nursing women and young children. Humans just weren't built to subsist on strict vegan diets. Ironically enough, vegetarian diets might be one of the healthiest diets, although there are no real unbiased studies showing any statistically important differences to health other than low obesity rates.
Sorry, didn't see the "Doctor" before your name. How long have you been practicing?
Actually, most doctors would consider a vegan diet to be unhealthy due to the fact that people do not take in all the necessary vitamins,minerals, nutrition etc especially protein. It is difficult to get in all the necessary nutrition in a day. It can be done, but not easy or cheap. However, a vegetarian diet (which includes cheese, eggs, milk) is considered very healthy. Most vegans I have seen do not look healthy at all. Oh and their is a Dr. in front of my name.
Completely untrue. A vegan diet is not unhealthy, nor is it "dangerous" for pregnant/nursing women or children. That argument is made in order to invoke fear (the "women and children" argument) and is completely baseless. The vegan diet provides ALL (and more than the normal Western diet) the nutrients that one needs. If you really want break down Vegan vs. Western diets in terms of nutrient intake and overall health, we can do that right here, but I assure you that you have not done any research on this and are going to come off looking like a fool.
I'm not saying you or anyone else SHOULD be vegan, but putting it down by spreading lies is pretty lousy when it can't be backed up by any competent facts.
This in respose to "Dr" Biohazard: Was the last name behind that "Dr," Kavorkian????
Bullfeathers: What is the source of your information? Please see the American Dietetic Association's position on vegan nutrition for all stages of life. It begins with this, "It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases....
It doesn't make you any better or worse than another human because you choose to not eat meat. That is your decision, and more power to you if you think you are being a better person, in the real world though, you are no better than me because you eat vegetables and I eat meat. Its not barbaric, its not evil or bad to eat meat. We are animals, omnivorous who benefit from eating meat, veggies, and whatever else we can find. You come off as very condescending and naive stating that we are all headed towards being vegans, its just not true. Its perfectly okay that you choose to be a vegan, but its not barbaric to eat meat and enjoy it. That is part of being a human, denying that, or trying to come off as being a better person because you are a vegan just makes you look like a complete jerk.
Ricky,
Clearly you didn't see the movie Scott Pilgrim vs the world. One of the people he had to battle was blessed with EXTRA-ordinary powers due to his vegan diet... I'm just sayin.
Ummmm. No. Look you can spew your Vegan propaganda all you want but it is laughable to say that the U.S. is headed toward it as a whole.
Humans are omnivores, end of story. Our biology is evolved to eat other animals, and that is how it will always be. I agree we can develop more humane ways of raising and treating farm animals but to say that it is patently wrong to use them for food is ludicrous.
Translatable as "Bring on the hormones!" Chyeah, good luck with that.
Veganism is as natural as ONLY eating animals and no vegetables. We're clearly omnivores.
Sorry, but I don't think the US is headed for Veganism. How could you possibly reach that conclusion?
This is a broad statement, however, I understand the motivation for it. It's pretty widely-held at this point that a plant-based diet, devoid of the cholesterol, hormones, and anti-biotics found in animal flesh and secretions, is optimum – PROVIDED one take care to get the proper nutrition – and provided one take a B-12 supplement, which is the only nutrient unavailable through plants. [For those who may not know, B-12 is a bacteria occurring in the intestines of animals, both human and non-human. However, usable plant-based forms ARE cultivated.] Beyond the reduction in cancer, heart disease, obesity, and other illnesses, vegan diets also help the environment. Methane emissions, as well as the water used in animal farming are two of the biggest contributors to environmental degradation. Lastly, the shift to consciousness about where our "meat" is farmed – and how it is farmed – has come to the foreground in a big way. We see this in the proliferation of "cage-free" eggs and "humanely-raised" beef, and the like. While these descriptors mean virtually nothing – farmed animals still suffer tremendously – they are indicative of marketing campaigns triggered by the public's desire to do what they'd like to believe is the right thing. I think the combination of these things, as well as the zeal with which politicians, celebrities, and athletes have embraced a vegan diet (Bill Clinton, Ellen DeGeneres, Russell Simmons, Roger Ebert, Brendan Brazer, and the list goes on), is what drove the statement that the trend is toward vegan. Everyone will not go vegan, but I guarantee the world will see many, many more of them!
No, it's not where the US is headed. You can keep your ridiculous, unhealthy practices to yourself.
Now, let's have some tallcow with bacon.
Yeah five dollars says you are far less healthy than any average vegan. My typical day consists of no processed food, no fake sugars, no wheat, no yeast, and bags of food that really have no more 2-3 ingredients. But you are so right I am so unhealthy! I'm glad you could set me straight. Enjoy your salt saturated meats and horomone rich foods.
Taylor – surely as someone that claims to be eating healthy you're aware that there are foods out there that naturally affect hormone levels (soy for one), and that there are farmers growing foods and crops with no chemicals, hormones, and only natural food (grass fed beef, pastured eggs, etc). You can eat healthy and still eat meat.
I do agree that avoiding processed food, artificial sweeteners, etc. is a great start for many and that if everyone cooked their own food and took control of the ingredients they'd be much healthier.
you're really naive if you think the US is going vegan. vegan will happen here when we have a star trek like food replicator and animal free meat substitutes that do not contain soy or wheat gluten, both of which are being medically] tolerated less and less by the american public (those with celiac disease can not eat seitan, those with thyroid disorders should limit soy and soy allergies are increasing due to processed soy protein showing up in excess in all sorts of food products)
FYI, wheat gluten and soy are not the only sources of non-animal protein.
Horses are not food! They are elegant beautiful creatures and deserve respect. What's next? Maybe we cook and eat priosioners on death row? Maybe a tastey delight as some tribes still eat it and it must be okay right? Just think of the great rating to assist the network profits.........
What separates a Horse from a Pig besides their species?
The US considers, horses, dogs, and cats to be pets and could never stomach eating them! Take the episode off US cable!
'Considers' .. Relative term with nothing to back it up. People own pigs, ferrets, mice, snakes, and a plethora of other animals, but according to you, they're not pets?
Don't use silly things as your argument.
Pheasants are beautiful and I eat them. I've eaten horse, dog, cat. Try getting out of our American shell. I was in the military for over a dozen years and I'll eat what they cook.
@Tony-yep I've eaten horse and dog while in the military and wherever I go next I'll eat what the locals eat as long as it's clean. Hopefully I'll go some place where they eat cats, that's something I haven't had yet.
@Hellbinder
I can have an intelligent, emotional relationship with anything. It's a relative idealism you're talking here. You know, pigs are brighter then horses? And yet (OH THE HORROR!) we consume how much pork per a day in the US? Pot-Bellied pigs are fantastic, clean, friendly pets. So ... We shouldn't eat them?
You're arguments hold no water, and I hate to say so ... but please stop posting obviously wrong facts.
Amen.
The people who believe that horse slaughter is right have clearly never truly opened their hearts to them and been able to have a relationship with one. Horses are not all looks and inspire people everyday. Very few if any people have been inspired by a pig or cow.
I worked on a cattle farm for several years and during that time, was present for the birth of many calves. There was one in particular that had a very hard time and I hand raised it for 6 months before it was strong enough to join the herd. It used to see me on the feed tractor and follow me along the feed line. I had a strong relationship with that cow and used to hand feed it treats while it looked lovingly into my eyes. Now she lives with me forever as protein and fat that helped keep me alive and well nourished. She was delicious.
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Trying to feed the entire US population on a vegan diet would be disastrous. The adverse health consequences would be as big as our current fast-food epidemic. It takes knowledge and skill to eat as a vegan and most people, including most self-professed vegans, simply do not have the knowledge or training. That level of education is beyond most of the population as is evidenced by the popularity of fast-food.
umm.. you can have my meat when you pry it from my cold dead hands boka... I don't care how barbaric it is, there's just something about a piece of dead cow laying on my grill that really gets me off.
The israeli eat horse. Boycott israel!
No, the USA is not headed towards veganism.
In my personal research, I would NEVER eat a vegan diet, nor allow any of my children to adopt such a diet while living at home and would discourage it if they switched to such a diet in college or adulthood. It's simply not healthy. A vegetarian diet or an omnivorous diet can be healthy, but veganism is not a healthy way to eat. There's a reason there have been no cultures historically vegan (omivorous, yes; vegetarian, yes; vegan, no).
Common sense should tell us that any diet that REQUIRES supplements because it's impossible to get your required nutrients from the food you eat is a bad idea.
Veganism does not require supplements any more than an omnivorous diet requires them to get essential nutrients. Do you believe folks who eat a traditional American diet get all their micronutrients? It takes thought and planning as does any eating pattern. The nutrient most often lacking in a vegan diet is B12, the RDI of which can be easily attained with a tablespoon or two of nutritional yeast (which works quite well in dishes in place of grated hard cheeses).
And yes, I do have a nutrition degree.
well you go ahead and eat yeast...I'll stick with cheese and a big 'ole steak
Veggie, the information I've read by doctors, dieticians, and nutritionists, all say that vegans need to supplement B-12 because there is no viable plant source.
Even pro-vegan sources I've read say that vegans need to either make sure to eat plenty of foods fortified with B-12 and/or use supplements. http://www.vegansociety.com/lifestyle/nutrition/b12.aspx
I've never heard of omnivores or vegetarians eating a regular diet of their choosing needing to get injections of nutrients because of extreme deficiencies; I've read stories of several vegans having to get B-12 injections because their levels were so low and it was negatively impacting their health and day-to-day lives.
why must you vegans be so smug, just because i choose to eat animal products does not make me or anyone else barbaric, and i would also like to say that i am of japanese heritage and we eat horse i have it on multiple occasions its pretty good.
All of this outrage from an America that continues to be more fat and ugly every day? Why should these lard-asses care – they shove all that junk food into their mouths anyway.
The old saying goes, "You are what you eat." I guess that makes me (in part) an "animal"; but where does that leave you? Are you a "fruit" or a "vegetable"?
Or perhaps you're just another "nut" case.
People should have the right to chose what they want to eat.
Eating animals is passe. Selecting horse meat for the amusement of a TV audience is unbelievable.
It's a good thing we can change millions of years of evolution and the human body's physiological design just by deciding one day that we don't want to eat animal products anymore...
Just imagine this: It's you and a horse stuck on a deserted island with nothing to eat. I bet you would starve right? It could be a way to feed people as long as it's regulated properly. Honestly I don't think any animal should be over looked unless it's becoming endangered of course. Meat = food and people = meat eaters. Plan and simple so stop being hippies.
Just Imagine. Just imagine if Unicorns could fly? Just imagine if PEOPLE could fly? Just imagine if we could NOT get sick from what we eat? Like Horsemeat? Just imagine if it didn;t make us sick, but our click willl not allow it? Horsemeat is toxic AND banned in most neigborhoods, but LOOK LOOK at the "high priced goods!" All sold on the lie, that hosemeat makes you high, high on the dollar, while YOU live in a squaller, along with the horse.
Vegan is where America is heading, eh? Right about the time we decide to stop using oil and coal as our primary forms of energy (ie: not in your lifetime, nor that of your great grandchildren). In fact, if we *could* do that, imagine all the fossil fuel we'd save not having to raise animals for slaughter! The mind boggles, but it ain't gonna happen.
Horses are full of toxic chemicals used to kill parasites and help ease pain. If the general public knew these things would they still consume the meat ? Thats whats left out in the article. In Belgium they raise horses for consumption..no additives to be poisioned from..Japan gets their meat from Canada which comes from US breeders that are not regulated..we are killing them by distruth. If u want to try your hand at it go ahead..but when you develop pancreatic cancer or testicular cancer dont be surprised. Even our mustangs arent clean to eat..not a good idea at all.
I am disappointed. I'll tune out top chef in my house going forward, and advocate for others to follow suit. The rationale used to justify the choice of protein might lead the producers to consider baby seal, another Canadian staple.
nothing like a freshly clubbed baby seal on a nice hot grill.....mmmmmmmmmm
the Native Americans from the Alaska region eat seal and whale, does that make them barbaric or wrong? It's people's cultures so why not be respectful of what others eat? At least Native Americans would understand that the only reason to kill an animal was for consumption and not for sport and would use every single body part to eat or decoration.
Don, I too am dissapointed that Top Chef is using horse in the upcoming episode but I don't think you could in any streach of the imagination call it a Canadian staple. In fact I didn't even realize that you could find horse in any Canadian resturant. But I have never been to Quebec and it's a big country. As far as seal goes I have never heard of anyone even trying it, let alone it being a Canadian staple. So please don't lump us all together, we have all the diversity that you have, good and bad.
Arlee, you are right of course, and due my apology.
Turns out seal flipper was in the first episode.
My grass fed beef prices have never been stronger. I don't know where you're getting your data. Beef prices are expected to go up 11% next year. In regards to horse meat. I have no problem with producers who provide this meat to the market. Not all producers are inhumane.
I don't know what country you live in but the US certainly isn't headed toward vegan. It's less the 1% of the total population and it's terribly unhealthy.
The US is going vegan? I'm sorry, what small enclave do you live in because with a statement like that it's obvious you don't travel much. The US is eating more meat per person than ever before – over 220 lbs/person/year compared to around 180lbs/person/year in the early 80s. More restaurants are focusing on meat (and meat done properly) than ever before.
Someone commented that "some animals are meant to be eaten while others are clearly not. You just don't eat something sentient." Putting aside this arrogance that some are "clearly" meant for something for one minute, consider that pigs are smarter than dogs and are an acceptable part of the American diet. So maybe we need to rethink that bit about not eating "smart" animals.
You're delusional! and thanks I needed that laugh after this dreary Monday at work
COME ON
a miniscule percentage going vegan and yet they believe they can force everyone to
I guess that Rodents and Insects are not considered meat. Primates have been eating insects and rodents for thousands of years.
Horsemeat-taboo. Cow/sheep te$ticle$-delicacy! Good ol' supply and demand at work-if people want it, it will be sold. If the majority of people in the US don't want it, there won't be a market for it. When's the last time ANYONE saw horse on a menu in the US???n Just because it's on tv doesn't mean people here will actually eat it. Reality check people.
The entire United States are not becoming Vegans, only a small percentage. The rest will continue to eat meat regardless of what Vegans propaganda is put out there.
Please. the US is NOT heading towards Vegan. There are restaurants in the US that pride themselves on the digusting and fattening dishes they provide. I personally do not know a single vegan and I only know 1true vegetarian. I eat meat and will always meat. I try to buy grass fed and free range meats because it feels a little more humane and I refuse to eat Veal, adn I know a lot of pther people who think very similarly.
Saying the US is heading Vegan is just ridiculous. Look outside your scope of vegan friends and see what americans are really eating... only about .05% of Americans say they are vegan
On what could you possibly be basing your statement that vegan is the direction the US is going??? I am actually quite vegetarian- and vegan-friendly, but I think you might be a bit delusional. Unless by "going in that direction" you mean at such a glacial pace that we will reach majority vegan status sometime in the fourth millenium.
How can you say the US is heading towards Veganism as a main diet? According to http://www.imaner.net/panel/statistics.htm, a pro-vegan site, vegans account for about 1% of the US population. I harbor no ill will against those who choose to not eat animal products; it is a lifestyle choice no different than my choosing to consume no mass produced food products with ingredients on the label that I cannot pronounce, let alone recognize. Yet at last check, 1% does not a trend make.
I'd like to believe that, but with advertising and lobbying, most Americans will just eat meat and dairy and die after being responsible for the unnecessary torture of countless fellow creatures.
"The time will come when men such as I will look upon the murder of animals as they now look on the murder of men." – Leonardo da Vinci
The horse market is in the dumps because of all the unwanted horses out there. Now people are buying them for $50 at the stockyard and are abusing them.
I think not you dope...maybe if you are some kinda pansy, but meat tastes good!
Boka I am with you. To all the non evolved meat eaters your day of reckoning will come soon in the form of obesity, or heart problems, parkinsons, strokes and cancer. Continue to treat your body as a living grave and see how healthy you stay!
Boka - Who the hell are you to say where a country's eating practices are going? You probably will have a problem with their segment on the authentic cuisine of cannibals, too.
Speak for yourself regarding where the USA's culinary tastes are headed. Vegan is a VERY small part of America's food desires. Unless of course you live in one of those progressive communities. As for horsemeat, not for me. I'll take a nice rib eye anytime!
I want to see a show or several dedicated to the preparation of Long Pig.
That's a good one!
While vegan and vegetarian is growing in the US, it is far from a main stream diet. It's still the extreme. I hardly think it's where we are heading.
i had horse meat in poland last year for the first time...and it was delicious.
Since meat consumption in the US is rising every year, I think that vegan is a myth. A rose by any other name is still a rose. Meat is meat and it's part of an omnivore's diet. Get real people, it's ALL in Your Minds.
actually, Meat consumption is DOWN. Eating Vegan has SKYROCKETED. oOPHS! DID i SPELL something wrong? Will you coward out of the debate by hiding behind a misspelled word?. Hey COWARD?
You really should have used a more realistic picture for this poll. Wild horses in Iceland is totally unrepresentative of where horsemeat processed in North America is coming from. An accurate representation would be using one of the 900 pictures taken by the USDA of horses arriving at slaughter plants with limbs torn off, eyes gouged out (for aggression management of course), trampled – or dead.
I think the show should be pulled off the air! Irresponsible to produce it in the first place. Most horses butchered in Canada, originate live from the U.S. where horses are not raised as food animals, and administered many products and pharmaceuticals labeled "do not administer to animals intended for human consumption". Promoting the consumption of potentially tainted meat, to an unsuspecting audience, is a public safety issue. The E.U. has acknowledged a problem with horse meat originating from the U.S. July 2010 they implemented a certification process, to try to eliminate drugged or diseased animals from entering the food chain. However, week after week, month after month, American horses, acquired questionably are being "certified" and offered as safe. To the E.U. I say... great concept, poor execution, your new system is flawed. The horse market is poor in the U.S. and to garner a higher price at a livestock auction, all one has to do is consign a horse, sign a paper that to their knowledge, the horse was drug and disease free for a 6 month period. The meat dealers purchase those horses, take the certification document, resale the horse to the slaughterhouses and laugh all the way to the bank.
I see many posts here and recognize many of them make a joke about eating horsemeat. I believe this is how many people react to something where they think anything goes. I don't believe in that way of thinking. This world, the economy, politicians, doctors etc have all stretched the limit of what they want to push on us as right. Pretty soon it becomes the norm but nobody can say how it happened. Eating horses, elephants, dung beatles, snakes and a whole bunch of creatures may be a cultural food but that doesn't make it right. Cannanbalism was popular years ago and now most tribes don't eat humans. There comes a time when people can say no and still march to their own way. These are living creatures, they suffer horrendous pain before they actually expire. China and other countries have cages packed with dog, puppies, cats, kittens ready to be slaughtered for someone to eat. This is wrong, these people are not starving, others kill elephants and let the body rot, and a baby elephant die because they believe the tusks are beneficial in some way as a traditional medicine or s