 December 9th, 2010
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Donna Huntley had never had a sip of wine in her life – until she found out that her birth grandmother had owned a vineyard. Now she's on a mission to get in touch with her roots, via vino. Read previous Wine Awakenings installment here. Good Morning Wine Child. Up and at ‘em, you have much to do. There is a week ahead of you, a great-grandmother to find, a new world to discover, and new wines to taste. The first order of business is to thank the numerous readers who shared wonderful ideas on how to make the best of my wine journey. Many of them I have tried – or will try – in the coming months. I bought “The Wine Bible” to complement my “Wine for Dummies” and have made note of the “dry to sweet, white to red” rule for tasting. I have begun to save the corks and labels for future framing to commemorate the journey and have located the several wine houses within the city and surrounding areas. I am making plans to visit a vineyard or two or five…ROADTRIP! Another idea, (which was either genius or way off the wall) was to create a color wheel. I wanted to describe the color of the wines so readers could enjoy it visually with me as well as aromatically and tastefully. To give an idea of what I am seeing, I went to various home improvement stores and picked up color swatches. This way if I compared the color of a wine to the "Yellow Springs C22-4” shade of the “Dutch Boy" collection, (a very pale beige-yellow) you can actually see what I am seeing. While several of my servers, bartenders, and others seemed to like the idea, I would like to get our readers’ opinions. This week’s wine is a Bertani Due Uve Pinot Grigio Sauvignon Blanc. After opening the bottle, Shatara, my server, gave me the cork and seal for my collection, which upon examination, was in excellent shape. However, I made a big rookie mistake - I sniffed the cork. To all wine novices reading this: sniffing the cork is a major no-no! Someone was nice enough to clue me in. Note to self: in the future, DO NOT DO THIS IN PUBLIC. (Wait until you get home.) For now, I will take advantage of my novice state and simply say, if you can judge a wine by the fragrance of the cork, this one is a winner. The wine had a beautiful aroma which reminded me of a bouquet of flowers - simply wonderful! The color was also a pleasure to experience. It was a very light yellow with a hint of pale green, much like the "Swiss Almond" from the Color Place collection. If you place the glass in front of a light just so, you could see an outstanding crystal clear shimmer which I’ve only seen in the highest quality of stain glass. This wine was as enjoyable to look at as it was to drink. As for the taste, the flavor bordered on floral but the fruitiness won out. It was both an appealing and engaging. This wine was more pleasing than others I've tried so far and did not have an aftertaste. Bertani Due Vue Pinot Grigio Sauvignon Blanc is definitely going in my keep column. Now for our readers – an assignment over the next few weeks: Tell us what you think of the color wheel idea – is this genius or heinous? And what about your wine plans for the holidays? If you can brave it, share some of your tales. BUT REMEMBER THE RULES: 1. This is supposed to be a fun, learning process for us and we could use all the help we can get. Any mistakes we make, laugh WITH us so we can enjoy it too. As for me, the Wine Child is going on a road trip. Someone who knew my great-grandmother wants to talk and share a few secrets from GGM’s past. Coming Soon: Part Four – Sharing Secrets and Naming Names |
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Donna Huntley – Wish you'd have posted parts 4, 5, and 6 and so on but after re reading the thread I can see why you were turned off. Come back!
Uh oh!
Vapor won't show because he is a gutless coward and liberal stooge.
This thread looks tame compared to some of the horse and vegan threads we hae had since:)
Oh boy! Look what I found! :)
Come out come out where ever you are!
eye wheel keel everyones mom and she wheel dye cause eye am a winner and u are the losers
LAST!!!!!!
LAST!!!!!
Really, did you HAVE to go there?
i win and you lose
i win i win
i win i win win win win
My dog wants you to smell her butt and then you can tell us all what vintage it is.
eye wheel keel your mom
i win and everyone else loses. what a bunch of losers in here. i am too good for this novice crowd that likes to fight over cork smelling. what a bunch of idiots everyone is. you smell the wine. da
you may be right, but you are a loser.
Again, I did not say that smelling the cork was an essential part of the wine tasting process, or that by smelling the cork brings any kind of pleasure, and I do agree with you that tasting the wine comes first, however, smelling the cork is not going to spoil your experience, and in some cases it may tell you, as I saud before, the state of the wine.
Another thing, I have been to professional wine tasting in Rioja, Castilla La Mancha, Ribera del Duero and countless other regions throughout the Iberian peninsula, so I don't need you to tell me what to do...
good. I am glad you agree that smelling corks do not help in the tasting process. It looks like you changed your conclusion from the one you layed out in your original post.
You originally said:
"In conclusion, smelling the cork is a useful step in the wine tasting process, and it can tell you whether or not you can drink a bottle of wine."
I'm glad you backed off your original wrong statement, because we do not want to confuse people here, we want them to learn the truth. It seems as though you may have been mad at Vapor when posting you original wrong argument. Sometimes people do not think rationally when they are mad, and that must have been the case for you then. I'm glad you have been to tastings before, you should keep going so you can learn even more. You should also brush your teeth at least twice a day. Oh sorry, did not mean to tell you what to do, just trying to share some knowledge with you so you do not sound ignorant anymore. Take care friend
your mom likes my wits cause she has hairy pits. by her a razor cause my jiz did not faze her she is ugly like raymond burr
vapor you are a loser
VAPOR: You wanted facts! Here are the facts!!
The rebuttal to your argument about the cork sniffing:
First I would like to state that I in no way, shape or form suggested that the cork changes the flavor or color of the wine or that it enhances the wine tasting experience, because generally it doesn’t. However, when the wine has not been stored properly, in a place with the adequate temperature and with a relative humidity higher than 70%, the cork could suffer an infestation produced by fungus. This fungus will begin a rotting process on the cork and will produce intense aromas of fungus and humidity. These aromas will transfer to the wine, and as is obvious, these intense notes will ruin the flavor of the wine. In conclusion, smelling the cork is a useful step in the wine tasting process, and it can tell you whether or not you can drink a bottle of wine.
sorry, but you are wrong. You can get more information by looking at the cork than by smelling. You will not tell anything from smelling the cork. You need to smell the wine in the glass and then go on to taste it, if the initial nose invites you to. You are correct that bad corks and improprer storage leads to a lot of bad wine, but that has nothing to do with tasting or learning about wine. you need to put the wine in a glass and smell the wine. I have helped conduct many professional wine tastings, with countless bottles of old and rare wines. The corks will be in all sorts of conditions after spending decades in storage of various conditions. When we are evaluating these wines, we always smell and taste the wines. You can go ask any friendly wine professional or sommelier. In fact, you should go to some tastings with professional sommeliers and you will not find anyone sniffing corks as the first step to the tasting process.
It just does not happen, because the people who know wine do not sniff corks in order to enjoy or comment on wine. I hope I kept that friendly enough not to hurt anyones feeling in here. This post board seems a bit touchy
i will give you some facts. your mom was at my house last night and she swallowed the wine that eye served her.
she said she has never taken such a large gulp before. she was worried that she raised you wrong, because you are so idotic about wine. she said it was okay to keel you the next time eye c you. be prepared to dye
i had a color and aroma wheel once. i think it is in a junk drawer somewhere. it did not help me learn very much about wine, so vapor is probably right as much as anyone here would like to admit. tasting, reading and talking to others are what is still helping me understand wine to this day. i love it
everyone needs to shut up and have a glass of wine. dumb article and dumb responses
bla bla bla
why can't CNN block vapor from posting? he is ruining the whole forum. everyone else did devolve with him but there needs to be some order
i'd like to hear about folks' favorite wines. i have a liquor store that will order just about anything i request...so i'd like the opportunity to try some new stuff. input please! and then Donna (the reason why we're on this chat) can see the different suggestions also! i prefer the sweeter wines, but am not adverse to a nice red. altho i am not a big fan of the 'oak-y' wines...
try Dal Forno Amarone. this is one of the best from the valpolicella region. also Quintarelli amarone.
i like sine qua non wines from manfred krankel. you must try.
my favorite wine is chateau grillet
my house wine that i drink everynight is the 1990 domaine de la romanee conti la tache. it so good and very cheap when compared to the namesake romanee conti vineyard
I really enjoy reading your story, and I hope that the negative meltdown in the comments section hasn't stopped you from creating a new post for us. Don't mind the ignorant, there are a lot of fans on here. Thank you!
i agree, there are a lot of fans of ignorance here. is this where people come to take there frustrations out on each other. go to the gym or take a jog if you want to releive stress
Heather from nf?
morons
Seriously? Why are you here then?
"i have never drank wine with idiots and crybabies like these people. maybe these posters do not have the mental capacity to enjoy such a wonderful beverage."
Who's the petty one in this situation.
Go away.
why should i go away. after reading all the posts i came to the conclusion that most people making comments are just trying to fight with each other. this whole effort was stupid, including the article itself. you must be the author or a friend of the author to be so emotionally charged about a comment a reader was sharing. why else would someone be so uptight about a response.
Honestly, if you had read all the comments prior to Vapor's intrusion, the conversation revolved mostly around complementing the author and poeple's own experiences with wine. The bickering started when this individual started bullying others and rudely commenting on supposed ignorance. We're a pretty tame group here and trolls are not appreciated. So unless you are Vapor or you simply didn't join the conversation until the end, you are incorrect.
you really are the author or afriend of the author. anyone else would have let go by now. you just want to argue more.
find another responder to fight with because i will not waste anymore time proving that you are wrong. . you are the petty troll that lives its pathetic life in a chat room. you are a human travesty.
Doesn't change the fact that you are vapor under another name, what got scared of us???
what is going on on this chat board. bunch of crazies. i have never drank wine with idiots and crybabies like these people. maybe these posters do not have the mental capacity to enjoy such a wonderful beverage. Vapor is definitely mean, but you guys are so petty its unreal. get a grip people
i agree. lokks like most of these people just want to fight and not post about wine
Vapor... noone is falling for you changing your name. now back into your hut, troll.
what a loser. vapor has really messed you up. you are going to go through life thinking that everything bad that happens to you is vapor related. he really got to you people. wow
why would i change my name, your mom might get confused
you need to be in a mental institution...
these posts are a little corny. why does anyone care about how vapor shares his knowledge. bunch of crybabies.
vapor is actually right about the cork or any other enclosure. I actully admire the way he stood up to the stupidity written above. You may hate his style, but you people should really listen to what he saying because it is true.
In case you didn't notice, nobody is arguing the point of the cork. what we are all P.O.'d about is his attitude and snobery. I think I even put in one of mine that I AGREE with him, yet he still blasted me.
what i didi notice was you wasting your life concerned about peoples attitude. If you agreed with him on the cork then you should have kept your face shut, but you did not, so it opened the door for that guy to rip into you. look at your loser self, here you are trying to start a fight with somone else. the people that are ripping on Vapor are more interested in conflict than wine. what a disgrace these posting are
your mom blows crystal decanters for riedel. she is an artist with a tool. do you want to see my videos
Shut ur face.
i will fold u in two and dice u into little tiny pieces. then i will chew u up and deficate u onto the ground where the microbes will take over.
The color concept is something I've never heard of. I LOVE wine and will think of this the next time I have a glass!
I was toying with the idea of having a battle of wits with him, but my momma told me never to fight an unarmed person....
Touche. Perfect.
you meant dave's a douche. watch your spelling
HAH! so true!
yes what vapor said about the corks is true. you proved his point. wow! you people are going to live the rest of your lifethinking about this guy. he sure got his way with yuo all.
your momma told me she spit, but she actually swallows when she is at my tastings. do you want to watch the video
Vapor hasn't posted in awhile. He must have left the library to go cash his welfare check. Not sayin nothing, just sayin.
Vapor – You are a very crabby, shallow and bitter person. May Santa bring you coal this Christmas.
Hey – he's out gunned, out manned, and out maneuvered.
sorry I just got done with your mom and grandmother. both swallowed, you know, the wine that I shot.
Your back–Yea!
Got it. But I don't get offended easily so it wouldn't have mattered. I just noticed that Truth recommended "A Witty Name" in the coffee Klatsch....That's good as well but i'll stick with "The Witty One".
Thanks again!
Make that Evil Grin...I need to fact check myself before I wreck myself!
Woo hoo now I feel like I accomplished something important today!
2 buck chuck for me, Trader Joes rules!
I think I will make a maquette out of my cork collection.
i was putting all of mine in a large vase on the counter...after emptying it for the third time i think i might need a new project/place for them...an actual 'cork'board sounds perfect!
Hey, that's a good idea! I need a cork board. I'll get some super glue and a piece of Masonite. I will glue them on in a pattern such that the differences in hue will make a nice design.
That is a fun idea. I kept overflowing my vase too! I think I'm going to buy a "cork tray". You place your corks in the bottom of the tray in any design you like, then there's a piece of glass that goes over them and Voila! :)
1. Totally worth it
2. AMEN!
3. Dude
4. Thanks! Jdizz sets the bar high with his name :)
YAAAAY!
Thank you for answering the awkward question... always more awkward to get it wrong.
i just like that for short you can call yourself TWO
1. Never heard of that, I'll check it out.
2. Boxed, in red keg cups, with ice and a crazy straw.
3. Awkward question, are you a guy or gal?
4. I have named you, The Witty One. Much easier.
I had a great cork for lunch, it was a bit dry, but had a lovely, fruity finish.
I go for the boxed stuff.
But on a serious note. My dad drinks Rkatsiteli and it is fantastic! Kind of bitter at first but a great aftertaste. If you haven't had it, I would check it out!
Riuniti on ice!
That's Nice!
hah! brings back memories...i like the red stuff. :)
Screw-tops rock.
nothing screams Booneville like a screwtop! :)
Does a cork count as a cork if it is plastic?
Do screw caps count?
i especially like the bright orange ones...so festive. :)
So let me get this straight? Smelling the cork is the best way to understand if you will like a wine? You said, and I quote, " it is great the everyone finally knows that cork sniffing will ... help you understand a wine"
and, like "Still Trying" says, if you don't like the wine you can eat the cork..Might go well with Cool Whip......
Corks and Cool Whip! I know what's for dessert tonight :)
AAAAAhhh....the DEElightful smell of a good cork! Or a bad one,,,what the he11......
I don't drink the wine....just eat the cork. Tasty!
@witty ...and I thought I was the only one who did that!
Let me guess, you are gay, right. Flamingly so, I am sure...
Oh jeebus please stop feeding the Troll.
I agree. Obviously Vapor is only concerned with winning his side of the argument. He is trying to get a reaction from everyone. By responding to his posts and arguing with his "teaching methods" you are enabling him. The best thing to do in this situation is to ignore him. He'll eventually get bored and move on.
On a more positive note, I think this is a great series of articles which will introduce many newcomers to wine. Perhaps some wine enthusiasts can suggest a favorite varietal of theirs and explain the different qualities about it that makes it's a favorite. I'm always on the search for new flavors, so I would find that type of information very helpful!
Hope everyone is enjoying the holiday season!
stepahnie you are stupid. I have already won my side of the argument. my teaching methods are awesome because i made everyone learn that corks do not help you learn about wine. i wish i could meet all you idiots in person so i could let you know how i feel about everyone. what a moronic group of people that i have to teach
tazer do you want me to feed you something big. open wide here comes a big surprise. you do resemble a troll. you are a very stupid person and you can't read. go to another post area because you do not know about wine. you are ignorant and so is everyone else that posted here other than me.
@Tazer.. i do so wonder if Vapor does resemble a troll...his personality certainly reeks of one. or maybe his name signifies what lies between his ears? :) i only wish i had seen your post before replying to him.
Yes these so-called people just like to go to nice friendly forums like this one and stir up the manure. Let the idiotic comments abound... Sigh...
a note for Vapor: the advice you are giving may be well and good and informed as well, but your presentation of such is horrid. it's very easy to bestow knowledge without sounding like a pretentious snob. please try to do so. also, your high handedness is a bit marred by your many misspellings and errors in verbage. i think if you were a bit nicer about your comments, they'd be a bit better received. i suggest you go take a class on courtesy before coming back to the comments section.
on a lighter note, these articles are highly entertaining, and take me back to when i first started getting into and enjoying the many nuances of the so VERY many different types and styles of wine. my current Holiday favorite is a wine out of Chatauqua County in New York: Merritt winery's Mereo – it's a wonderful mulled wine. perfect to warm up and enjoy by the fire on a cold winter's night.
wendy you are a very stupid person. corks do nnot help you learn about wine
vapor – stupid is as stupid does. where in my post do i refer to corks? i'll give you a hint. i dont. my remarks have nothing to do with the content of your comments, but your delivery. if you wish to bestow information upon someone, do so in a respectful manner. otherwise, your words of wisdom will fall upon deaf ears.
@Wendy I grew up near Chatauqua County, NY Such a beautiful area!
Hi Ma Kettle! LUCKY! oh, it is!! i have family in Fredonia, and i go back to visit every chance i get. visiting the wineries is a must! :)
smelling a wine cork will not help the student of wine earn anything
when one smell a cork it does nothing to help someone learn about wine
the smelling of a cork does not help one learn about wine
one can't learn anything form smelling a cork.
smelling a cork will tell you nothing about wine
So if the cork smelled rotten you'd still drink the wine? And you kiss your mother with those lips? (disclaimer – my husband forbid me from making the comment about where said cork could go- you should thank him)
i would love to meet your husband. he sounds smart. not sure why he married you then. it is great the everyone finally knows that cork sniffing will not help you understand a wine. maybe ma kettle should go read articles she understands, so she does not keep asking the same dumb question over and over again. your husband must have much patience to deal with a moron such as ma kettle. what a loser. very ignorant loser. i made you spend your time coming back to repost on this issue, so I have won. You have been bullied into wasting more of your time trying to respond. it is so fun to get idiots like ma kettle and her husband worked up enought to come back to a posting three days later. what a bunch of losers everyone is. bottom line. i win and ma kettle is moronic
smelling a cork does nothing to tell you about wine
You know, for a blog thread about wine, one would expect most of you people to be a little less uptight, you know?
why would we be less uptight than peopl posting on another blog. are we talking about feelings here or are we trying to learn about wine. who cares how everyone feels. these morons think that a cork can tell you something about the wine and luckily I was here to set them straight. has nothing to do with uptight feelings,, just facts.
pardon me i missed the a in sharing
hey dave you have a fan club don't you feel special. (by the way i am a friend and co-worker of his). vapor i am not a wine expert and i can tell you, you are wrong in how you handled the shring of your supposed knowledge.
could care less what you or any of these morons think, the fact is smelling a cork does not tell you anything about the wine. Now the author knows that and so do all the idiots who were posting on this page. They can all thank me later when they are done crying because their feelings got hurt.
Thank you, Michele. I don't post much, but he hit a nerve.
oh, i can hit a nerve. i promis you won't feel a thing when i am through with you. i guess no one wants to learn about wine because the big bad person with the right answers made them feel bad about themselves. boo hoo
can your nerves feel things after you have been dismantled
@vapor- MAybe you are the one who needs to brush up on your reading skills. The author asked for CONSTRUCTIVE criticism and specifically said no bullying. You may not think color wheels are usefull, yet you began your rants here telling us that they were only good for choosing the color to paint a room. The bit about the cork, while I do agree with your point, is stated in such a way as to make novices feel like they don't have an opinion. (or at least a valid one) The author is trying to describe her experiences, and she is attempting to find tools to use to describe what she sees. instead of ripping her apart, why not try to give her some suggestions as to how to describe the wines?
And along the lines of reading comprehension, I did not attack you personally, yet you felt it neccessary to call me an idiot, so with that third grade mentality, I only have this to say:
I'm rubber, and your glue......
Dave, if you have a fan club, I'm a member!
u are both retarded. is that mean as well. boo hoo. we need to thicken some skin around here
you are a member of the club of morons that will never learn anythign about anything. You are simply stupid
one last time. smelling a cork does not help you learn about wine. this is not an opinion it si fact. does anyone want to know about wine or do they want to make each other feel good for not knowing the truth about things.
I thought smelling the cork was to see if the wine had gone bad (sour)? Is it considered a no no? Thanks!
HEY!!!!! Is there really a need to argue here?!?!?! Keep it up and The Dropkick Murphys will be showing up and shipping you all up to Boston. Enjoy wine, in whatever form that may be whether its reading about it, drinking it, or cleaning up the stains on the carpet. Everyone learns and experiences things in different ways. Positive vibes on here folks, positive vibes. Come on its Friday, relax!
Cheers to you! (Sorry, couldn't help myself there....confronting bullies is something I do. Got carried away, went too far. Not worth it. Apologies, you are right!)
These essays on the wine journey are delightful!
not a bully. you have named me that in your own little mental case contest you have running in your head. I am a truth teller and I will not let the idiots of the world get by squashing truths.
allright a referee. thanks for taking a more neutral stance. I love to enjoy wine, but I also like to keep my facts straight.
what we have learned here today is that smelling corks will not help you learn about or enjoy wine. I am all for everyone experiencing things in different ways, but sniffing the cork will not help you achieve learning or enjoyment.
It seems people are getting cork smelling and wine tasting confused. There is nothing subjective about smelling a cork, because there is nothing to learn form this act. the subjective part comes when tasting and deciding if you like a wine as you are tasting it. Everything else is fact. The soil it was grown in is a fact, there is nothing subjective about it, and so and so forth. Tasting wine is subjective, the rest is not. Everyone learns in different ways, but we have to agree on the basic facts, otherwise is there any truth in anything?
I will take the dropkick murphys and introduce them to the my buddy skull crusher mcfacekick. why don't you go park the car in the garage!
i am willing to sacrifice getting called a snobby bully just so you idiots posting comments against me will, in the end, finally know that smeling a cork will tell you nothing about a wine. I am willing to make that sacrifice so that knowledge is available to the masses. Humanity should be greatful that people like myself stand up to the ignorant to tell them they are wrong. that is how we progress as a species. toughen up people and read some Nietzsche
Read Nietzsche. Does your position no good.
you must not understand Nietzsche, otherwise you would not respond in such a dumb manner. let me give you the jist of his philosophy in an aphoristic style, which he is know for: what does not kill you will make you stronger. How does this not help my argument immediately above, which is to toughen up and grow a thick skin or you might miss out on knowledge. Learning can sometimes be tough, don't miss out on knowledge because you are weak. Please educate yourself before you say something else stupid
Dude, what part of "Its Friday, relax" did you not understand?
the point is to learn about wine, so why not listen to someone with knowledge.
Will listen to someone who is a cheerful teacher who has good will to lend to the subject. And there are plenty of decent people out there who are fabulous experts in the wine industry. It is they who will be willing advocates and enjoy teaching as an exercise in enabling new consumers rather than trying for sly comments meant to demean, hiding behind the veil of "teaching." You will be replaced. Easily. With someone who will be a true instructor rather than one who "teaches" only to injure. You deliberately deny your tone (insufferable) and role (one of destruction and pretense) here. You did label your self correctly: snobby bully. And you are proud of that????
i am proud of the fact that i am not ignorant like you. I will always argue people that are wrong. now go stuff your head in a hole and cry. boo hoo
@vapor – No, the point is to enjoy the experience, not be bullied by sales people like you.
you can't comprehend english
you can't enjoy sniffing a cork. You can enjoy drinking and tasting wine, but not smelling a cork. This is all I am trying to say, but everyone wants to talk about teaching styles. there may be an article about education that you can post on, but this about wine. I am right and most everyone on this page is wrong
@vapor – when I sand enjoying the experience, I did not mean sniffing the cork for enjoyment, I meant enjoying the wine and not worrying about the cork (unless it appears suspect) or the little stuff like that. I know you don't sniff the cork, common knowledge for some of us – but who really cares? It has little bearing on enjoying a nice glass of wine with dinner or with friends or whatever. You needn't be so rigid and antagonistic with your opinions. Why do you feel the need to rip on people just to prove you are right? The backlash you have received is justified as you come off as a harsh bully. You could have easily, respectfully and politely given a positive lesson in what things to look for when examining a cork, including the do not sniff part – but you didn't, you went condescending and negative. You were unnecessarily rude and arrogant – which is why people called you out. Your behavior was in the wrong – but you made it all about the cork.
i guess i have won the real debate, which is: sniffing the cork does nothing to tell you about the wine. go ahead and try it for yourself if you do not believe me. why would you smell a piece of tree bark used as an enclosure rather than the actual wine? I love being right!!!!!!!!!
Good for you, you won the debate – OMG, grow up!
yes, I am aware I won the debate over cork smelling. actually there was no debate, just crying boo hoo in an attempt to not feel stupid about wine. its a childish mechanism people employ when they feel stupid and do not know the answers.
they want to bring every down to their own idiotic level. i stood up to it and let all the morons know that cork smelling will not tell you anything.
Congrats, vapor! You get a cookie! AND you can call yourself "King of The Great Cork Sniffing Debate" for the rest of the day! If you're really lucky, maybe someone will make a crown for you...
kimmie, yes i have won the debate, you are very observant. you can feed me your cookie, but you will have to let me force feed you a surprise afterwords. can you swallow something much larger than a cork, because it seems like you want to open your mouth for some reason.
What in the world are you doing playing on CNN at 2:30 in the morning? Slow weekend?
@vapor- I understand your passion for wine, but you also need to understand two things. One, the author makes it very clear that she is new to wines and is trying to describe her experiences. She does not claim to be a professional, so therefore, her comments are not meant to be analyzed by professionals. Two, as kevin stated, you either like a wine, or you don't. I too am a professional in the wine industry, and it seems that more and more of us are taking the approach that you are so blatantly displaying here. By critizing everyone for how they describe the wines, and not using science to determine quality, you discourage people from taking risks and find out what they like.
Just because we work in the industry does not mean we have a monopoly on knowledge.
If you don't like the way she writes, don't read it.
To the author, keep it up, as they said before, it is a journey, not a destination.
never said science was used to determine quality. i said that there are scientific facts that serve as a groundwork of basic knowledge before one can begin to learn about wine. the people responding to me probably do not want to learn more about wine than if they like it or not, but that is not really learning about wine. to know wine wine is to know history, culture, science. there is so much to know other than what color it is and if you like it. if you do not have a basic understanding of the facts, then how can you procede in learning whats next. So if the author goes through her life not knowing that smelling a cork will tell her nothing about the wine, she will be using methodology that is useless to try to explain something she is seeking the answer to. Just trying to keep her from beating her head against the wall. As a good wine professional I should be letting people know when they are on the wrong track. Maybe it is not obvious to the idiots responding to my posts that I am not attacking anyones tastes in wine, I am simply letting them know which facts they have wrong, so they can further their learning, which is after all what the author is trying to accomplish. Dave, you like so many other idiots making posts do not have good reading comprehension. Everyone is focusing on my tone and not facts. please learn to read. Dave, the author asked for criticism, she got it and so did all the other misinformed people such as yourself. I am just expressing the same feelings toward this matter that most industry professional would, maybe you need more experience.
Vapor – if everyone here wants to be an expert as you describe yourself then you are fully correct that they should know the scientific facts, vinification methods et al. However, most people who are new to wine have trouble finding varietals that they like. They would prefer to hear or learn tastes and smells in a wine so they can in turn learn what they like. There are ways to share your knowledge in a positive and encouraging manner, which as a retailer I would think you should have learned by now. I hope you never reveal your establishment's name because I have a feeling you would lose yourself some business. People just learning about wine often like to have someone to learn along with which is what this blog provides. It shows people that others make the same mistakes or have similar experiences and makes them comfortable. For someone so into scientific facts maybe he should look into the scientific studies about human behavior.
Nice comment DAVE! Of course, the other reason "vapor" is so snotty is that these CNN comment blogs provide anonymity and he/she/it hides behind it. I have observed lots of posters get snide and snotty because of the convenient anonymity. Doubt they'd be as rude and callous if they were speaking in person.
They defeat their agenda (of teaching in this case, I guess) by being cruel when good manners and kindness would go a lot further. Why DO they spread meanness around like that.....a bafflement......So, "vapor" if you REALLY want to teach a novice CHANGE THE TONE of your snippy, cold, paragraphs.
look, here is another idiot that is more worried about feelings than getting the facts straight. no matter how much you hate my tough love, I am correct: smelling a cork does not tell you anything about a wine. go ahead and try to learn something from smelling a cork. go ahead and try to learn something from the color swatch. i will be laughing enjoying a nice glass of wine that i know and understand all about, while you struggle to learn something from the cork. I think it so funny that my original post, which was trying to clear up a misconception about cork sniffing has snowballed into a bunch of people worried about how the author of the article might feel about my criticism, which is correct, by the way.
Michele G, I am not spreading meaness, i am spreading knowledge. I never claimed to be nice, but i do know about wine. I would probably respond just about the same regardless of whether we were face to face. I am happy to argue about facts, especially when I am sure I am right, which I am about the cork sniffing. My responses turn fowl when idiots such as yourself attack me personally just because my tone is not to your liking. I would have no problem doing that in person. Maybe my tolerance is low for stupidty. Sorry
Odd how you refuse to understand that there is already too much mean spiritedness in the world today. You seem to want to contribute to it rather than add some light and decency.
No, I don't understand why you think it's wrong to make an effort to help people feel good about themselves rather than bad. I think the wine discovery journey the author is taking is charming and a bit of cheer. I am not going to demean her efforts in any way, only encourage them.
You can pretend to "win" your self imposed contest if you want, but, hey, that's your fantasy, not mine.
still not arguing the facts. wow. you are missing it completely. the author wants to learn about wine. I taught her something she was unclear on. there i have encouraged her to learn more. what else do you want. trying to keep her from wasting her time sniffing corks and looking at color swatches. you can say i am mean all day long, and the more you say it the meaner I can get, but that still does not change the fact that i am the only one on these posts today to help the author learn something. the rest of this dribble is about how i need to be nicer, which is not what the author wanted feedback on.
Excellent reply Dave – you are encouragine and would make a novice feel comfortable asking questions. Having been married to someone in the wine industry, I've seen plenty of people just like Vapor and they are difficult (and amusing) to deal with – why would a novice want help from someone who finds their questions and statement laughable?!?! That's just rude and unwarranted. If I encoutered a sales man like that, I would be turned off – just like a car salesman. Ugh. I'm not a professional, but I am somewhat knowledgeable and the best advice I would give a novice is experiment a lot, find out what your likes and dislikes, do some side-by-side tasting with friends, don't be afraid to try something different and find a good wine shop with un-snobby people who will be helpful rather than abusive. And it does come down to – do you like the wine or not and does it pair well with what you are eating.
Perhaps as 'experts' some may not see the usefulness of a color wheel or aroma wheel. Myself as a significant novice (Quite literally extremely limited knowledge) I DO see a usefulness of both. I don't drink wine. At all. My husband's family enjoys whine with meals and special occasions so I do have occasion to seek out an appropriate whine. This usually entails someone referring me to a general selection and me asking the local wine shop owner for a recommendation based on the event or meal. To prevent me having to ask EVERY time I'm in need of an appropriate wine I would like to see a wheel with basic meal types, wines, color, aroma that could be matched up to give me (as a wine illiterate person) a general selection of appropriate wines for the occasion. I often write down favored wines that received compliments and detail the color and aroma so that I can make a similar selection the next time. It's required when you don't taste them yourself.
While I do understand the significance of smelling and tasting the wine for suitability for yourself this does nothing for the person (such as myself) who is responsible for providing appropriate and tasty wines yet find ALL wines 'not to my palette'. That's right. Call me plebeian, it's ok. I prefer a cold bottle of birch beer or perhaps an occasional glass of dandelion wine like my Granddad made when I was a child. Oh, to go back to the days of popping dandelion heads for his yearly wine.
So you go right on ahead with your journey! I look forward to hearing more about it so I can learn with you the ways of the wine world and where us novices fit best.
ma kettle, well shucks. how exactly is a novice who does not drink wine going to tell a professional that a color wheel is a useful tool. You do not have any experience!!! knowledge comes with experience. it seems that everyone trying to bash my expert opinion is not fond of knowledge and science. Do you people not listen to your dentist, mechanic or other professionals with years of experience. In all my years of enjoyng and studying wine I have never used a color wheel to help me learn anything about wine or how to pair it with food, and neither has any of the countless other industry professionals I have worked with and drank alongside. Color might be the least important thing to know about wine in order to enjoy it or pair it with food. The more important thing to know when pairing food and wine might be acidity and tannin levels, where it is from and the type of terroir that influences the grape, and also the winemaking style or vinification practices. You would only know these things by experimenting(science) or taking the advice of an industry professional that has spent years learning and experimenting. Quit trying to make the author feel good by bashing the expert.
I think maybe you're too full of yourself if you saw yourself in my comment. My comment was based on the needs/wishes of a novice which you have self-proclaimed yourself NOT to be. To me it is useful. That is an opinion which we are all entitled too. Get off your high horse and find someone else to troll around. Quit trying to make others feel bad to make yourself look good. It's not about you. Get over it.
And it's not working either. You just sound like a mouthy snob.
YAY for Ma Kettle! Well said!
ma kettle. can you please explain how the color wheel is helpful for you when choosing a wine or when pairing it with food? your response should be laughable. you like others on the posts can not comprhend the written word. you probably believe the earth is flat because people with knowledge say it is a sphere. I am not attaking anyone's taste or desire to learn. I am simply telling you facts. I too was once ignorant about wine, but I read about it, experienced it, and learned from others that knew more than me. I certainly did not dismiss those that were more knowledgeable about wine as elitist or snobby. Bottom line: by your own addmission you do not drink or know anything about wine, so when you post ridiculous comment in defense of stupidity, then you should expect to be ridiculed. You should go troll around another site, maybe one where ignorant people can communicate with each other. Does glen beck have a comment board, that may be great place for you to start.
There's a very good and logical reason for myself seeing a purpose in a color wheel. Quite simply I don't know what wines go with what items because I don't know what they taste like. When I taste a wine the only thing I taste is 'yuck'. And so when I ask someone for advice on a suitable wine the first suggestion is not typically a specific brand, year, and scientific breakdown. It normally runs more along the lines of 'a good red wine' or 'a mild white' or 'a blush'. These are colors you see. They may mean something completely different to a wine connoisseur but to a wine illiterate person such as myself they are colors. And the tone that the recommendations are given suggest that the color does indeed correlate with the flavor and continuity of the wine. And so having a chart that shows that wines of this type, color, aroma pair well with pasta or savory or sweet would indeed be of use to someone who has no intentions of sampling wines at the shop and trying to guess which would taste good to a guest.
If you do intend to educate people you might consider learning first how to teach. Because at the moment you don't sound like anyone I'd want educating me. Thank you for the attempt. Happy Holidays.
Whereas 'vapor" is apparently an "expert" bwahhahahah on wines, this person however is obviously not an expert on the written word which they also proclaim; please check the numerous grammatical errors and misspellings in the various posts. Vapor, stick to whining, oops excuse me I misspelled, wine-ing...it's what you are best at.
To those interested by the way "vapor" from the Latin basically translates to "steam" meaning "vapor" is merely just nothing but alot of "hot air". Go forth Wine Child this is your journey and remember "vapors" are fleeting, transitory, lacking substance. Go forth and enjoy!
Thank you for writing about wine from the perspective of someone that isn't a snob. I, too, am strictly amateur. My concerns are that there are so many different wines, brands, locations and such that I can't find something I like consistently. I think I overpaid for a bottle of wine in California recently. Also, taste is so subjective. It's like cheese. There are some I like and some that smell like they have been in the toilet. But my wife and I have completely different tastes. I value the opinion of others, and your style of writing is refreshing and honest. I fear that as time goes by we may need a dictionary to translate euphemisms though ("not to my palate" means "yech!").
Get Hugh Johnson's World Atlas of Wine. Covers all wine regions of the world. Wine making, wine storing, wine serving, history of wine, etc... The text is very informative without being too intense. Also superb pics (which is always great for folks getting into wine.) Any wine library is not complete without it. And remember..."If you drink no Noir, you Pinot Noir".
to the author: please keep the rest of your assigned writing in a personl journal and do not subject the rest of the world to it.
who put you in charge?
did i ever say i was in charge. you need to thicken your skin. funny how know one is arguing th facts, just trying to disapprove of my tone. I will take that as a victory. I am right about the cork sniffing and the color wheel and that is why no one will argue against it. as long as in the end the author takes my correct criticisms, thats all that matters to me. you idiots can cry all you want about my tone, but i win you lose.
To vapor: There's an easy way to not be "subjected" to her writing... Why not just ignore the links to her articles? I'm surprised that someone as knowledgable as yourself hasn't figured that out by now. I'm pretty sure no one came over to your PC, twisted your arm, and forced you to read the article...
he author asked for criticism you moron
Now now vapor... name calling isn't nice. Didn't your mama ever tell you that?
If you are entirely insulted by the posting of these entertaining essays, then why do you continue to read them and comment on them. Perhaps merely internalizing your wine snobbery isn't sufficient or perhaps your professionalism is wearing a little thin? If being said professional within the limits of your limited mind, how is it that you manage the time to grace us with your professionalism rather than operate your rather tiresome menagerie of vintages.
smelling the cork will tell you nothing. looking at the cork might tell you a little something. smelling and tasting the wine will let you know if the wine is bad or not. And since I am clearing up common misconceptions about corks, people should also know that if a cork breaks off in the bottle it is not necessarily bad, it probably means that the screw was not inserted far enough in before trying to remove it. Many people are hung up on the cork looking perfect, but you really need to try the wine first, because the cork is not going to tell you that much.
For all you new wine enthusiasts, I would suggest steering clear of amateur opinion and speculation as is offered in this article. Get yourself a good starter book that is written by professionals in the industry, so that you can get some basic facts straight and develope a solid foundation of knowledge as you start to explore your new passion. Wine is a very subjective when it comes to tasting, but there are scientific facts and historical realities that are objective, so beginners would do well to equip themselves with this knowledge.
The color wheel is not a good idea and has been done before. As a highly knowledgable retailer that has been in the business of selling wines to experienced and sophisticated clientel, I can tell you that gimmick accesories like the color wheel are not used much. The best way to learn about wine is to taste as many as you can and understand the region it came from and the types of practices and grapes they use in that region to make the wine unique.
You can fall back on the novice status all you want, but sniffing the cork and making color swatches are not going to help you graduate to the sophmore class. And if you want to stay forever in the freshman class where ignorance is bliss, please do not write articles that may lead to the perpetuation of bad information. And one last thing: wine is never as fun to look at as it is to taste/drink.
Regards, Your friendly wine professional
Ok, I agree with you that the cork breaking is not necessarily bad. I have had it happen on bottles that turned out to be mind-blowingly good.
However I am going to have to call out your statement regarding steering clear of "amateur" opinion as nothing but pure and unadulterated snobbery.
Wine is *entirely* subjective... Either the drinker enjoys it, or they do not. Period.
Going into useless (and quite often fictional) details to create a "mystique" about a certain vineyard, region, appellation etc. is nothing but crass marketing, plain and simple (and since you are a "wine professional", I can understand why marketing is important to you, but speaking as an epicure and consumer,my opinion is that if the wine cannot stand up on its own, no amount of marketing gimmicks or "mystique" is going to make up for that fact!)
While I understand that the "mystique" of certain wines may actually matter to those who care more about "style" then substance, I pride myself on not being amongst their number.
As to the colour wheel, May I remind you (yet again) that she is a consumer and not a retailer? She is not trying to sell anything, so while certain "gimmicks" fail as marketing ploys, they can and do make for good narrative devices.
wine is not entirely subjective. there are scientific facts that these rookies need to learn before they can go on to understand the world of wine. I tried my best not to sound like i know it all, but one learns a lot of things working in the wine industry, so i am just trying to let the novices know that there are facts that come before the subjective I like it or do nto like it. Yes I am a retailer, but that does not mean i am trying to keep a grip on knowledge or mystique. Nothing I said above proves your argument. The author is trying to learn about wine, so when she is not clear on whether smelling a cork is going to tell her about the wine, I feel it is my duty ,as one that helps to educate consumers about wine, to tell her where she is wrong.
It sounds like you and the others making comments are the type that would tell a child learning arithmetic that it is okay to think that 2+2 = 5, because everything is subjective and that the uneducated child could never be wrong and that the evil teacher is just trying to keep the mystique of knowledge for themselves. Kevin, why don't you comprehend what I wrote before offering a rebuttal. Just because you do not want to learn the facts does not mean they do not exist. The useless details that you refer to is called science. Humanity has struggled for eons to amass this knowledge. If you want to be an uneducated consumer of wine, go ahead, but please do not discourage people who want to learn from listening to people who have knowledge in the field, just because you think the professionals may have some sort of marketing ploy. Bottom line: cork sniffing and color wheels will help you learn nothing about wine.
kevin, you will never learn anything about wine with your attitude other than do you like it or not. You will never learn because you are afraid of some evil marketing scheme that is out to get you. you have psycholgical issues regarding trust you need to work out before you are able to learn probably anything. many people do not have their facts straight and you pride yourself on being one of them. Nice to see so many people standing up for the idiots of the world. Do you think the earth is flat?
Kevin, you get it. Good comments. Thank you!
Addendum to my compliment to Kevin: you get it that "vapor's" comments are basically a turf war kind of thing.
Intimidate the novices so the pretenders can defend their turf and play at being "experts" weighting their stance with wholly unnecessary factoids such that the sheer volume of twaddle about the "science" turns off newbies.
WHY they want to turn away potential BUYERS of their product is weird and inexplicable but that seems to be what they want.
My opinion on sniffing the cork is you do this not to determine if the wine is good, but if it is bad. The cork can alter the nose, but if the wine is bad, the cork may smell bad. This is not a definite thing, but like the cracked or dry or line on the cork, a bad smelling cork is a clue that the wine may not be good. Plus, don't make a show of it, you can usually slide the sniff in while examining the cork for the visual clues.
I think your articles are amusing and fun to read! Don't mind the jerks, they're just trolling for reactions.
The color wheel is a marvelous idea! And as far as smelling the cork... well I'd never heard that was a no-no, but I'm also not much of a wine "snob" so I wouldn't know any different!
the so called jerks are just trying to keep the facts straight. If you are a novice then you should not be encouraging laughable ideas with the weak argument of "since I've never heard of it then it must not be true". It would be like telling your child that is learning math that 2 + 2 = 5, because you never heard anyone say that it equaled four. Bottom line: smelling the cork does nothing to help you asses the condition of the wine.
As for the color wheel, it is my professional opinion that this will not help a begginer learn anything about wine.
That said, color should not be altogether ignored. Noting the color of a wine is a part of the tasting process, but matching it up with color swatch so you can say it has the color of swiss almond is not. It sounds like the author wants to fret over what color to paint a room in her house.
Have you heard the expression "children are better seen than heard"? It should be the same with wine novices. Get your basic wine knowledge down and then you can respectfully offer your opinion up. Untill then keep your ridiculous thoughts to yourself. It is like me telling NASA that I have never heard of gravity, so I'm just going to ignore all the haters that are telling me that my rubberband powered rocket will not make it to mars
"Vapor" get over your pretentiousness. The other reason for the color wheel was to give her an aid to describe for us readers what she is tasting. It's a descriptive tool for crying out loud. Get over yourself. If she was not writing these essays she would not need to wheel.
I am a wine novice myself, and I tend to find Pinot Grigio more palatable than most, as well. Maybe it's just a good rookie wine. I will have to try the one you suggest for myself, as I've never tried that brand. Thanks for an entertaining read!
I'm fortunate to live just on the edge of Oregon wine country (some of the best Pinot Noir and Pinot Gris in the world) and have been exposed to world class wine for 25 years. I attend a themed wine tasting (concentrating on one particular variatal, or a region of the world) every Friday night and belong to five winery sponsored wine clubs. If its worth doing, its worth overdoing, I always say.
Your idea about a color wheel is a good one but check to see that its not already been done before you put a lot of work into it. Aroma wheels already exist (I have one for Pinot Noir).There are a lot of wine tasting/training aids available on the internet, some expensive, some not so much. Another suggestion would be to seek out a local community college. A lot of them have adult non-credit courses in wine tasting. You can cover a lot of ground rather quickly and have a ton of fun. Get a bunch of your friends to all sign up at the same time. Trust me, you'll have a blast.
One last piece of advice: The road to wine knowledge is a journey, not a destination. You will never know all there is to know about wine. It's impossable given the fact that every year the industry reboots because each growing season is different and will change the character of wines produced that year. That and the fact that there are hundreds of different variatals grown all over the world, there is simply not enough time to learn it all.
Have fun on your journey and take lots of notes.
Good advice! Sort of glad to know my instincts were right about a fragrance/aroma wheel. Didn't know they already exist. I Will check into it.
Now, if I could learn how to avoid the "sulfite syndrome." (I get a headache whenever I have two rather than one glass of wine with sulfites.....hate when that happens.....)
As for sulfites – a wine-savvy friend of mine advised that most of the headache is due to an allergic reaction. Try taking a non-drowsy benadryl or similar 30 minutes prior to drinking the wine. Works like a charm for me!
SouthernBelle -thanks! will try your advice. Have heard about the allergy connection.
I envy you Jaxon! Best Pinot comes from your area and I think I have just about tried most of them. Keep tasting :)
You should try the moscato wine, it is a sweet white wine, people who are not used to drinking wine normally find this type of wine easy on the palate, however, I must warn you it is very strong...
Moscato is my absolute FAVORITE wine! I love Barefoot's Moscato.
BFA and Jen – yes, I agree. I just discovered Moscato, too. Liquid dessert. Try Orange Muscat while you're at it. DEElightful!
Actually some moscatos are very light in alcohol, thus not very strong at all. The Moscato d'Asti from the piedmont region of Italy is around 5% alcohol, and has the acidity to carry off the sweetness.
I don't mean to be intrusive, but whoever told you that sniffing the cork isn't appropriate, is very wrong... I have been learning about wine in Europe for the past two years know, and something very important that a waiter should do when opening a good bottle of wine is giving the customer who will taste the wine the cork so he or she can analyze it. You should smell it, look at it's size (if it looks like it has shrunk...) the cork is a very important step in wine tasting!
Interesting. Every time I have been "handed the cork", it is for inspection to ensure the wine has not penetrated the cork. Wine officionados have advised me that you should check to ensure the cork is moist, not dry (so that it maintains its seal) and that the wine has not penetrated more than half way up the cork, lest it be exposed to air and therefore chemically altered.
Just out of curiosity, what happens if the person does not like the wine and they've already licked the cork? Does the waiter put a different cork in and put it back on the shelf?
At Olive Garden they probably do. Hard to believe the author went there to taste wine. That in itself says alot.
you have been misinformed, sorry to tell you. Get a good basic wine book so you can clear up all the silly things you have learned and then do not post anymore stuff untill you have absorved the facts and are ready to regurgitate the truth. thank you
I must say I agree with Vapor. Your article is a little goofy and misinformed. You need to drink ALOT of wine before you are qualified to make such ignorant observations. A color wheel – give me a break!! Everyone has to start somewhere though and I guess I admire you for trying.
Cavit is like a cheap wino wine....i'm sure you can get away with calling it whatever you want.
love wine. want more wine!!!!!
SO glad to see you back!
You are educating me with your well written essays that are little pieces of art in themselves. You seem to really appreciate the nuances of the wine tasting experience because you include the visual as well. Good job there! I like the color wheel idea, too. Now, if you can come up with a fragrance "color" wheel, your set of descriptors will be complete. You GO girl!
the author is trying to learn about wine. please do not encourage her ridiculous ideas about acolor wheel. this will do nothing to help her learn. I know you go through life trying to make everyone feel good about themselves, but you are not helping her learn.
Lighten up "vapor"....this is supposed to be fun.
Wow! I really like the idea of a color wheel! That is a great idea! I LOVE wine, but by no means am an expert. That being said a really fun thing I did last spring was have a at home wine tasting to get a few non-wine drinking friends more interested. I am from California so anytime I go home for a visit I bring loads of wine back and I used that to do the tasting! p.s. I love this endeavor you are on...in fact reading about it is making me crave some wine right now!
if you like a color wheel, then go to sherwin williams and get some color swatches. That way you can figure out what color you want paint a room in your house. Using a color swatch and matching it up to the wine you are drinking is not going to tell you much, other than what color crayola says your wine is. color can help you asses the age of the wine or how developed it is, but you will not know this from mathcing it against a wheel. You have to some other points of reference to guide you, namely previous tasting experiences of the same grape varietal from the same wine region.
It may be neat to sit around and say that a wine has the same swiss almond colr that i want to paint my house, but it is not going to help you learn anything, which was the whole purpose of the authors endeavor
Hi Vapor. Nice try TROLL>
you should have retired troll loser. keel yourself. the world would be a better place. ur mom told me she wishes she never had you last night while she was at my tasting
i win and you lose cause you are a loser
i am very very very very smart and you are dumb