 A report in this week's issue of Nature magazine reveals that an international research team based in Ethiopia has uncovered evidence that Australopithecus afarensis - human ancestors circa the skeleton colloquially known as "Lucy" - butchered animals, presumably for nutritious meat and bone marrow. Tool marks made by sharp, heavy rocks were found on 3.4 million-year-old fossilized rib and thigh bones from animals, indicating that humans began eating meat 800,000 years earlier than was previously believed. Team member Shannon McPherron, an archaeologist at the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany, wrote in a statement released by the institute, "Now, when we imagine Lucy walking around the east African landscape looking for food, we can for the first time imagine her with a stone tool in hand and looking for meat." He noted that the animal bones in question come from an impala-sized creature and one closer in size to a bear. PETA members might not see this as cause for celebration, but as staunch omnivores, we say honor your ancestors and roast up a couple of marrow bones for dinner. 6-8 beef or veal marrow bones, cut into 3" segments Heat oven to 450F. Place marrow bone segments on a foil-lined baking sheet and roast until marrow is soft, but not dripping out. (Timing will vary according to individual ovens.) Meanwhile, wash, dry and de-stem parsley. Toss with oil and lemon juice to taste. Remove marrow bones from oven, scoop out marrow with a long, narrow spoon or knife and spread onto toasted bread slices. Sprinkle with salt. Serve with parsley salad. |
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Glycemic load of meals (which carbohydrates cause the greatest load because they are glucose), leptin and insulin receptors determine how fat a person is. The faster Americans understand that, the better off we'll all be. This is all on a cellular level. Proteins shouldn't be blamed necessarily. The argument about meat is so old, a basic Biology class dispels most of the nutrition myths today. So everyone should just be happy with the diet of their choice, discrimination and being condescending isn't necessary on EITHER SIDE.
@Gendznshmalts
You are such a nitwit. Not all of us that eat meat are out of shape or disgusting. I for one am certainly NOT. That is reserved for people who eat irresponsibly. If you've ever looked at a chart of correlation between heart disease and diabetes, you'd know this. It actually has nothing to do with the amount of meat you consume, it's mostly to do with the types of fat that you eat. The body burns carbohydrates, proteins and *then* fats, and only turns anything into fat after GROSS over eating, which is much more than any regular person consumes. Example, people in the Mediterranean region die from heart disease at a dramatically lower rate, not because they don't eat meat (because they DO, most definitely) but because they consume fats that have Omega-3's (ie olive oil). Being a vegetarian has almost nothing to do with your body's storage of fat. Look at any basic twin study, and how even ones separated at birth with completely different eating habits will be within five pounds of each other most of the time. Eating meat doesn't make you a fatass any more than wearing a wig makes a pig human.
The superiority complex held by both sides is sickening. I bet I'm in better shape than you are, and I eat meat. Not because I eat meat, but because I understand nutrition. Another thing: your body only processes nutrients as proteins when you have all of them there. Meat is the only substance that has all of the components to make up a whole protein, that's why we eat it. It's easier to eat a small portion of meat than it is to combine two or three foods to make up a full protein. (If that makes to your feeble mind). It takes ten different components to make up a protein, by the way.
All said and done, your obvious disdain for meat eaters comes from a superiority complex that you'll probably never get rid of, which is fine, as everyone is entitled to their own opinion. As for the rest of us omnivores...we will continue eating in moderation (most of us) and sharing delicious recipes without discrimination.
Your arguments reek of pop culture health "news" and pedantry. Balancing amino acids/protein is trivial and requires no meat or animal products. You are obviously trying to make your argument sound rational by tossing around "twin studies" and anecdotal "Mediterranean" nonsense. Correlation does not imply causality and nothing can be proven without impossible or unethical control studies, fine. You call me a "nitwit" and say I act "superior" and go on to say "being condescending isn't necessary on EITHER SIDE". And then this gem "It's easier to eat a small portion of meat than it is to combine two or three foods to make up a full protein. (If that makes to your feeble mind)" So you are saying that I am feeble minded because I eat two different foods to be healthy? Does this imply that you eat a slab of meat and nothing else in a meal? A small portion of meat actually represents a gigantic portion of animal feed. Maybe you are just lazy and have simply commandeered another animal's digestive system for your convenience. As a good Hoosier you are guilty for being lazy and must rationalize.
...just stfu and please go the hell away...
Vegatarian : Old Native word – translates into English as " Lousy Hunter " ROFL
@ #49: Then why do non-meat eaters (especially vegans) have so many health problems and have to end up taking supplements?
If anything, I prefer venison. No added growth hormones, no chemicals or preservatives, and tastes better, especially knowing I myself prepared it. (newsflash: 'Gaminess' is called flavor. Don't like flavor? Stick with bland beef then)
I am a proud vegitarian, this article sickens me. Just a thought for you all, if everyone in the world ate as much meat as Americans it would take the resources of 4 planet Earths. Vegitarians are simply healthier, more intelligent, higher evolved beings. You hate on us due to jealousy. Now go scarf your burgers fatties
You just made me laugh out loud, Meatisgross. I am a meat eater, a very healthy, intelligent, and just as evolved as you, meat eater. I am also not fat by any means. I live a very healthy lifestyle and am very proud to eat meat. I do not hate you for being a vegitarian, I only hate you because you act like you are much more superior because of your lifestyle. Why should I be jealous of your ignorance? I'm ok with you being a vegitarian, but I'm NOT ok with you thinking you are superior to every one who isn't. And, if everyone in the world ate as much meat as Americans there would not be a hunger problem, and I'd love to hear more about your "resources of 4 planet Earths" argument. Do you have a college education?
Meat is murder...Tasty, tasty murder :-) nom nom nom
I've just heard one more than I can stand comment about the way 'farm animals' are raised. First, many of your cattle are raised in the west, where they roam over hundreds of thousands of acres of range land in a natural habitat. Those destined for the table roam free until time for fattening and then they are sent to the feed lot where a tasty nutritious diet is provided 24 hours a day. They are not in cages, but in pens, where there is plenty of room to lie down and chew their cuds, stretch in the sun and nap between trips to the hay, grain and water bins. If given the choice between returning to a 'natural life' on the range, or lying around the feed lot, they would definitely stay in the feed lot. No we don't provide self help classes, TV or yoga because animals aren't interested in those things. They only care about eating, defecating and sleeping. They're ANIMALS! The meat that is raised in the mid west and east are still usually pasture raised because its CHEAPER than confining them. They have pasture in the spring and summer and in the fall they are turned into the residue fields from crops and are fed hay, because its CHEAPER than confining them in pens and feeding grain. That's why we don't have to pay $100/lb for meat like they do in Japan. Then they are sent to the feedlot to fatten. They don't know they are destined for a dinner table. They are thrilled to be in the feed lot-plenty of food, water and cow friends. They are then sent up a ramp (no fear-they have already been up many ramps in their life) and at the top a bolt gun, stuns them. They don't see it coming and are rendered immediately unconscious. If they see the cow in front of them go down, they aren't afraid. They are ANIMALS! They only care about their own feelings, except mother cows who care about their caves while they are very young-this is called INSTINCT! Watch a nature vidio sometime and notice how the wildebeeste all settle down and contentedly graze after the lions have made their kill, with no empathy what so ever for their cousin being munched to bits just yards away. ANIMALS are ANIMALS, smart in their own way and loving in their own way, but if the choice is to be eaten or not, all but dogs would turn your butt over to the predator in a hot tick! PS. We don't eat dogs.
Unfortunately, the feedlot is NOT that spiffy bed of roses you are trying to paint it as.
I LOVE a good herbavore/carnivore debate! It seems like the vegetarians have much shorter tempers. Maybe there's a relation between a short temper and lack of meat in the diet?
As a confirmed carnivore, I do my best to eat from the 4 basic food groups:
1) Bird
2) Cow
3) Pig
4) BEER!
Great article. Hilarious ending. Humans for eons have been both meat eaters and grain eaters (canines and molars) and this variable diet was probably why humans survived. Everyone gets to choose what they eat (Vegetarian, Vegan, good ole grill masters), and that is fine. But I am certain the PETA people are wringing their hands and gnashing their molars over your article.
my dog eats his own poop . . . . just sayin
LM AO!
How can you have any pudding if ya don't eat your meat?
Eat what you want. It's your flab and your karma. Can't really make stupid people smarter, no matter what you feed them.
Some say they don't trust anyone who doesn't eat meat. I don't trust anyone who is not willing to kill their own meat.
I don't trust a woman that does her own hair.
I personally cannot bring myself to kill a vegetable as they are too similar to my in-laws so I gladly kill animals and eat their flesh. Vegetables don't deserve to die.
So, I tried seal recently, thought it tasted a bit like cheap chicken, or mc donalds, had to throw it away. I like trying any kind of meat I can. Figured I'd try it since I have a pair of baby seal handcuffs, softest stuff ever, now I know why they club the little guys, can't blame em.
"Vegetarians, and their Hezbollah-like splinter faction, the vegans, are the enemy of everything good and decent in the human spirit."
~Anthony Bourdain
I agree, jd. When I order a steak and the waiter asks how I want it cooked, I tell he/she, "Trim his horns, wipe his a$$, and run him on through!"
Eat and let eat.
Ha, not sure how of how the conclusion was arrived at. If the bones had marks of tools, was the animal alive when it was torn apart, was it dead, was it for the purpose of defense or killing for meat. Killing doesn't exactly indicate the animal was killed for food. I think it was just mere extrapolation based on some personal belief.
Have you never seen the butcher marks on bones? They're very distinctive and different from the marks from hunting. And it would be very hard to disarticulate the joints of a live animal, even with a very, very sharp knife. At least it would be a sporting adventure, even at table. :)
I must say, the last 30 minutes of reading all these posts was most entertaining, had a few good chuckles....
Good night all...
These recipes sound great! Thanks.
I don't want to cause suffering anymore and have stopped eating fellow creatures. So far, so good. It was rough in the beginning but pretty natural now.
I like all kinds of animals, right up there with the potatoes and gravy!
Um... didn't they prove that "Lucy" was a fake? How could they have new evidence of meat eating by something that was faked?
Because they needed yet another rationalization for insane foodies so they can slurp animal guts without being guilty or disgusted. With regard to your post above, I seriously doubt you would eat rat meat, horse rectum or boiled kitten eyeballs. This isn't about the "western world" or objectivist BS. You draw a line because it is necessary but for the sake argument you claim to be an unbiased, pure omnivore. The vast majority of the population eats meat and animal products are everywhere. Your position is therefore an easy one to take. If a person objects to a socially accepted practice and is vocal about it they stand out (I won't bore you with examples, you seem capable of coming up with them on your own). We all know what happens to people who reject social norms. Society doesn't like "freaks" and will marginalize them. This marginalization is promoted by powerful and wealthy profit making enterprises. This is why we are so angry and spout off so much. Sorry for that, seriously, I'm sure it's annoying.
Nothing to do with meat or not meat eating, but WHERE did you see that Lucy was "proved" to be a fake? Inquiring minds want to know. Until then without a source, not believing this.
I do eat meat and have tried being a vegetarian. I trying to stay away from meat as much as possible to be very healthy. Usually i eat meat around 2 days a week. My friends have also tried being a vegetarian and we have found that once you become vegetarian for about a couple weeks you begin to lose the craving for meat. I use to love meat especially steak. But now the thought of a bloody steak (medium rare) doesn't have the same appeal. As for the bible, it doesn't say don't eat meat but to stay away from the unclean ones such as pork and shellfish. Which makes sense since pork has the highest fat percentage as well as bacteria content. shell fish are also bottom feeders and filter feeders. its amazing how a dirty looking lake will turn clean once some clams are added.
Pan fried marrow is the way to go:
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I find vegetarians stringy and gamey
For all vegetarians who think eating meat is murder – what makes it ok for you to put price on life? How is killing living plant matter any different that killing a cow? Bottom line is that you have to kill something to survive, whether its a plant or an animal. If you really want to live by your argument, start only ingesting food from chemically derived sources with non-living base ingredients. Last time I checked there wasn't an aisle at the supermarket with a section like that.
I think the issue isn't drawing a line in the sand of "meat is bad, killing plants is OK", but more about where those animals and veggies come from. For instance, killing an animal who's lived in torturous, horrible factory-farm conditions is promoting cruelty. But animals can also be farmed sustainably and kindly. Vegetables can be farmed organically and conscientiously or can be farmed by slave labor. It's all about making the right choices.
eating plants is murder too. Ending a life, no matter what that life may be, is murder. PETA members are just self-righteous hypocrites who twist words to justify their actions.
You make a trivial kindergarten argument. We all draw a line somewhere. The assertion that killing a cabbage is the moral equivalent to killing a cow is simply absurd. You like meat, good for you! I do not like eating dead animal flesh, menstrual products or pussy fluids. There is blood in your mouth, not in mine.
Oh, one more thing. There isn't an aisle in the supermarket for dog or cat meat either. Why is that? Do you draw a line between animal species?
Actually, some people don't. The reason there isn't an aisle for dog and cat meat is that in the western world, most people see them exclusively as companion animals and therefore there is no market for it. In other parts of the world, they have a much more open view towards meat. I personally would have no problem eating such meat were it available – as long as it wasn't someone's actual pet.
The thing is, eating meat is not murder in any way, shape or form. No more than eating plant matter. You kill either way. Where you draw your line and where I draw mine is different. And that's okay. To each his own. Except most vegetarian/vegans don't feel that way. Their way is the ONLY way and they'll make sure you know it. It's not that most people object to someone's choice not to eat meat. They object to being told that their choice to eat meat is wrong.
Your logic my dear friend, is chronically mis-guided. Taking the life of a conscious animal for food purposes is not the same as eating the fruits of a tree or the produce of a vegetable plant. Trees provide their bounty for consumption without harm to the source (you eat the apple, not the tree). Thus the tree/plant is able to renew and regenerate a new bounty....this is cyclical. Killing a cow, for example, is kill the source, for that is one less cow that will reproduce....not to mention that its a conscious being, that is self aware. Do you ever wonder why in some countries some aniamls (cows for example) are sacred? To further support my point, why then do some animals only eat fruits and vegetables, and leaves, and yet they do not have protein deficiencies, or mal-nutrition, or atrophy of muscles because of lack of meat intake.... take for example, apes, they eat mostly fruits and barks, and saps of trees, but they are muscular and strong, immune to most diseases and all this without eating meat. There is no divine law, nor any genetic disposition that dictate that humans NEED to consume meat to have optimum health....this is a fallacy....one promoted mostly in western cultures. In india for example, a large percentage of the population is vegetarian, and they do not suffer any severe nutritional deficiences solely as a result of their no-meat diet, and do not mistake this for examples of utter poverty where people are mal-nurished and diseased – these are not the ones I am referring to here....I am aware of this. Eating meat is a CHOICE, like everything else in life. Free-will is our gift, and we exercise it as we choose. But one should never equate the killing of an animal for food as being equal to eating the fruits of a tree. One action respects/supports life (eating of the fruit of the tree/souce), the other does not respects/supports life (eating the cow/source).
No offense, but what you just said makes no sense at all. By your logic, eating the source is wrong, which means you literally couldn't eat anything not off a tree because nothing else automatically regenerates year after year.
Conversely, by your logic, you could still eat the source once it has had some offspring. Then its genes have been passed and you are merely eliminating one source a little sooner than it would have naturally been eliminated, with no break in the potential line from generation to generation. Which is a good point for renewability, but not for the argument against eating any meat at all.
Oh sorry. One other thing that you said: Animals eat only vegetables and they are fine. True for SOME animals, but not all. Not even most. Most animals are omnivores. There are comparitively very few that are naturally completely vegetarian. Many species are completely carnivorous, which means anything that ISN'T animal matter won't be processed completely by their systems. Some species will eat anything they can find, but that doesn't mean it's good for them and many die early when they eat too much of something they shouldn't. For instance, ferrets are carnivorous. While they can tolerate small amounts of vegetable based foods, as we can tolerate small amounts of candy, if they eat too much their bodies won't process it and they can have major health problems or die.
Just because a few species were designed to be completely vegetarian does not mean that what applies to them applies to us. Unless you actually are an iguana or a rabbit.
Do you eat meat of any kind?
Why don't you list your daily meals...
Plants don't make fruit for the consumption by other organisms. The fruit is to provide nutrients to seedlings after germination.
Could I get an order of Soylent Green please?
Mmmmmm, I love bone marrow, in a corn tortilla with a little salt.
Some hungry "sorta-people" got very hungry and most likely scavenged a carcass. They most assuredly died extremely young by modern standards and had horrible diseases, were malnourished their entire lives (there is evidence) and engaged in all sorts of behaviors we have now given up. The healthy food supply was unreliable unlike now. They ate what they could get. Today, some starve and some are obese...it's not hard to spot. A significant amount of human suffering results from poor dietary choices. It's easy to rattle off painful ailments which could be completely avoided by not eating meat or animal products. There are all kinds of behaviors Australopithecus afarensis engaged in which we no longer do (beat and rape a woman lately?). So what exactly have we learned?
LOL! And you've studied enough human remains to have acquired all of this knowledge have you? Show me an article that says eating low fat, high protein meats in moderation combined with fruits and vegetables is unhealthy and leads to a short, disease filled life please. I'm serious. I'll check back to see where you take me. Please only reputable sources though, no homemade websites from your cousin.
...still waiting...
"Studied enough human remains" to acquire what knowledge exactly? I never disputed the fact that early humans ate meat. They ate lots of stuff, anything really. It is not an accident that our immune system is heavily weighted toward parasite mitigation. You are right, moderation is a good idea if you eat meat. My cousin doesn't make web sites. Your clever caveat, "low fat, high protein meats in moderation combined with fruits and vegetables" makes finding any specific and meaningful research impossible. Blind to bias, one can certainly find research stating the diet you describe is better than the "average" diet but it is a fools errand. It is much more difficult to prove a point than to dispute one. I'll give it a shot. And no, all information is not on the Internet so I hope you can get to a medical library. A California study of Seventh Day Adventists with 53,490 participants showed that men who are vegan suffer only 20% of the number of fatal heart attacks than the general population and are 53% less likely to get diabetes, . A study by the American Institute of Cancer Research based findings on 4,500 studies and concluded that the consumption of any amount of animal fat increases cancer rates. I selected these examples off the top of my head from the papers which surround me. I'm not laughing out loud and it appears you were waiting for me to respond before you even posted your reply.
Now I'm waiting but it's for real and not as a cutesy interwebs lingo snip.
human bones have plenty of paste. add tabasco for full spicy flavor. enjoy......
im curious to know what a vegetarian tastes like.
Pale and pasty low-protein meat...mmmmmmmmm.
HA! Have you ever noticed how pale and ill meat chomping fast food patrons look? There are so many of them, all over the country, and they all look the same. The same meaty meal too. It's as if they are a different species. The discolored stretched skin. The smell of antiseptics and burning cheap meat. The folds of bum fat hanging off the edges of the hard plastic seats. You can hear them panting as they slurp down their Big Fatso Sized Cokes and shove down greasy slop, bark at their obese children and pick the sores that cover their disfigured faces. Wait and you can watch them wash it down with a chocolate shake and light up a smoke as they hoist their broken bodies into the dirty Ford Fatass XLT. This is not hyperbole, we've all seen it. I evoke this image only because I can erase it from my mind by thinking about the lovely, healthy, sexy woman who runs my local vegan restaurant...she makes me smile.
Ask my boyfriend. ;)
If we are going to take cues from cavemen, we should run around the woods and kill or scavenge the animals we want to eat. It would be more humane than penning animals in tiny cages to live in their own filth, and more healthy than ingesting all the hormones antibiotics they pump into animals to keep them alive in these unnatural conditions. (Before you tell yourself that is not how it really works, do some research. You will be surprised at how far people will go to sell 99c hamburgers and chicken nuggets). Of course, the downside to acting like cavemen is that everyone would hate Geico.
My mother loved marrow, ate it all the time and I wonder if that is what killed her?
Me, I've never tried it directly, but have used the bones in soups and stews.
bone marrow is very delicious!! though i once tried eating half a dozen to myself and felt a little queesy. its a very thick meal indeed. also very good in soups
If you are a meat-eater, look for meat from humanely raised animals. If you have a local farmers market, that's a good place to start researching. Supermarket meat comes from animals that were basically tortured before (and often during) slaughter.
Marrow bones make an excellent addition when cooking beans in a slow cooker. The marrow adds wonderful flavor and good nutrition.
Bone Marrow is so good. I make roasted bone marrow a few times a year.
How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat!
Wrong! Do it again! You! Yes! You behind the bikesheds! Stand still, laddie.
I like meat and pudding.
Meat is murder. Go ahead and smile and laugh and joke about eating animals. You wouldn't be able to eat them if you had to kill the animal yourself to do it, then skin, and cut the flesh out.
You sitting there high and mighty while eating Johnsonville braughts, you have no idea what that animal suffered to become your lazy fat-ass' food.
I catch, kill and butcher my own fish wasting nothing, I have "murdered" and butchered my own chickens. It is quite easy to do, actually human nature when you are hungry and want some protein that is good for you. All meats I do not kill and butcher myself I get from the local farm down the road. The animals there are raised properly and responsibly. The beef never ever eats any grain only grass, the pigs and chickens are pasture raised. I show up on butchering day and watch then pick up my meat. I eat a healthy mix of protein that is high in omega 3, fruits, veggies, and nuts. I am not lazy nor fat and I am guessing am in better shape then you will ever be in your life. I workout regularly and am rarely sick.
I choose this lifestyle after choosing to become vegetarian for a year. In that year I gained 40 lbs, was always slow and sluggish and never felt like doing much but watching TV. 99% of meat alternatives are processed, salt added, and contain genetically modified soy. I think I will stick with my current diet.
I did kill my own meat. It was my job growing up to behead all the chickens. I would then hand them off to the younger children to scald and remove the feathers. Hogs had to be scalded and scraped. Steers were usually taken to a butcher who had the tools and equipment to move somthing that big around. We did this every fall to prepare for winter. For a long time, we butched old sheep which were sold in Chicago as "lamb". For the most part, farm animals are not very lovable, so killing them was no big deal.
Meat isn't murder in my opinion. Meat is a celebration of the life of the animal that's being sacrificed for my nourishment. I hunted with my father when I was a child, and he taught me that every part of the animal was to be used so that nothing was wasted and its life wasn't lost in vain.
I don't hunt for my food these days because I'm no longer able, but I'm still very aware of its source. I don't eat meat from animals that have spent their lives in pens or that were treated inhumanely. I do believe firmly that man was given dominion over animals, and that they are meant to be our companions, our workers and our food, so meat shall always be a welcome addition to my table.
You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, and I respect it. I'll not attempt to change you as long as you don't attempt to change me.
I hunt, shoot, butcher and cook my own meat when the law, season, and opportunity allow. Arms shoulder-deep in ruminant guts and blood. Skinning knife sliding easily between hide and ribs. Savoring the atavastic, archaic joy of elk tenderloins roasting on a stick over an open fire.
Now go off and puke, you malnourished, leaf-nibbling, simpering pansy.
Well said Brad! The endless stream of "meat eating is natural" articles exist to make people feel better about the animal they had someone else confine and kill for them. The reality of large scale meat production is so far removed from everyday experience it allows meat eaters to swallow.
Another uninformed vegan. Most of our meat in our house comes from deer that I kill myself. We process our own deer, so that means I gut them, skin them, and butcher them. And somehow, I'm still able to eat it. So, since I don't have someone else do all of this for me, you support my actions, right?
According to anNPR report last week it was eating meat, advancing from fruits and grass/leaves that allowed the species brains to enlarge and become intelligent. The brain takes 20 times more energy to support than the rest of the body. Until we started eating meat our brains could not develop because we used all our energy eating and foraging. Very little energy from just eating grass/leaves and most of it is taken in the process of eating.
After we started eating meat, brains grew, discovered how to use tools to get more meat, brains grew, discovered how to harness fire and cooked food has more energy released than raw food. For example, spinach and other such foods lose vitamins in the cooking process but release starch for energy.
Let us eat meat!!
While I'm not doubting what you're saying, purhaps people eating meat had some impact over the developement of the human brain. I would simply like to point out that brains run soley on glucose. The energy you are getting for you're brain is glucose sugar energy. Also, brain cells don't reproduce. If an induvidual eats meat, the induviduals brain isn't going to benefit. But go on and eat you're meat. No one can tell you that you can't.
Osso Buco............. yummmmm!
Stop eating meats
No.
This recipe does sound good.
Where's a good place to get marrow bones?
Jim, most grocery butchers will make marrow bones available for you if you phone in advance. If you have an actual butchershop in your area, by all means, check to see if any are for sale. They may be labeled as pet food, so look around if the bucther's not around and the clerks don't know.
Many Italian grocers have marrow bones available in one form or other, especially if they sell osso bucco cuts. Shank bones are excellent for this, and a butcher can cut the bone down for you if you don't have marrow spoons or long iced tea spoons. You can use a knife, as the article says, but you'll lose a lot if the bone is long if you don't have a spoon or scoop.
You've convinced me. Impressive!
This is fake science. another attempt to mis-educate the populace with suppositions and opinions and presenting them as facts. How does marks on a bone provide that pre-human ate meat? How? There are millions of ways a fossil in nature can be exposed to being marked by moving rocks, earthquakes, vultures, other animals, floods, ...etc.etc. Marks produced by any of these means cannot be attributed to Pre-humans eating meat. Not to mention that animals such as bulls fighting each other may leave wounds and scars that are deep enought to chip bones, and leave marks on fossil when an animal dies....also when vultures ravage the corpse. Are these possibilities also presented? I THINK NOT. THIS IS PURE SCIENCE FICTION. BELIEVE ARE YOUR OWN RISK.
Your ignorance of the science involved changes nothing. You have no qualifications and offer pure second-grade conjecture. If you think you have a case to make against these folks, science welcomes you, get in there and prove it. Until I see your name on the paper that refutes this new evidence, I'll just point and laugh at you for attempting to speak beyond your knowledge.
I see your a blind believer in AUTHORITY. Just because a person has a PHD behind their name, does not mean they dont fabricate results to match their theory. Its called getting funding...for more fake research...thats proves nothing.
Question everything!!!
so....what you're saying is that since it doesnt match up with your personal (and completely unfounded) beliefs that it must be wrong?
Wow...your tinfoil hat must be too tight.
Looking for fight in the food section is pretty lame. Go troll somewhere else.
Question everything, Pleiadian?
I question how your neural misfires managed to come out sounding vaguely like English.
It's the whole "this-doesn't-support-what-I-simply-believe-to-be-true-therefore-it-must-have-no-merit" argument.
Sawing instruments leave clear marks, there are people whose sole job is to know how to identify these marks. I would believe someone who studied this for 8-10 years in college.
Teeth are sawing instruments. and they come in various shapes and sizes... How does this dis-prove what I said? or support what the article assumes? Think before you speak.... this articles proves nothing.
Teeth leave marks. Sharp stones leave marks. It's fairly easy to tell which marks are which. Quit pretending to know what you're talking about, Pleiadian.
I am totally agree with "The Pleiadian" . Till today the science is "learning from past" if in next day someone bring argument ant he brakes the past day science. So as a human need to understand nothing is depend on science.
Exactly, exactly! Wait, what?
"To do that, the team examined the bones both chemically and under a microscope. The chemical tests confirmed that the damage had occurred before the bones were fossilized; the microscopic examination confirmed that it was the result of cutting.
"The results are very clear," McPherron says.
Some of the cuts are V-shaped in cross section, for instance — a shape characteristic of those made by sharp tools — with scratches inside the cuts left by the tool's rough edge. Other marks showed signs of scraping, and still others indicated that the bones had been bashed with blunt rocks — perhaps in an effort to reach the marrow.
Paul Renne directs the Berkeley Geochronology Center in California, and has worked on studies of some of the oldest known cut-marked bones found previously. "It sure looks convincing to me," he says of the new find. "
It seems other experts in the field also agree with the findings. I did question it and upon further review have decided that a team of scientists found something, used the scientific method to determine what happened and then had other experts in the field review it. It actually turns out that the other experts(who had absolutely nothing to gain from their opinion) agreed with the conclusion. Wow questioning it helped reaffirm my belief that it was true. Thanks!
Nadeerag, your fakeposting needs work.
Human/People do anything / say anything to have what they like/want. This is how nature creates this world to pull forward the world. So everyone get what they deserved. Even human who like to eat another / animal flesh so they get what they deserved form the nature with unusual diseases. Anything that living this earth does not want to die for another starving. Some section of the nature does it because they are animals that who cannot understand what is good or bad. Human is the species that have most greatest/intelligent thing on earth. Normally someone slaughtering the animal its fear makes very dangerous thickness stuff from his body. it will help to make cancer easily in our body. The choice is yours. Sorry for my bad English. Thanks!!!!
LOL keep feeding the sheep!!! They cannot comprehend i shut down a whole college class debate the other day full of sheep talking about the science of Dairy in our diet. Mind you I only drink milk in cereal or when i dip cookies but i could not refrain from proving how blindly people follow Science(another mans theory) History (HIS story)etc. But to the point everyone was basing that dairy is not good for humans because no other animal drinks milk of another animal. I proceeded to state that that was a valid point however responed. Do other animals have the capacity to even drink the milk of another animal? As is can a lion just walk up to a wildabest and get a sip? if there were not a river of milk flowing through any land would not any animal drink? Your so called science is filled with more politacal agenda, and money, and elitism more than fact! Dont blindly follow science!!!
"Don't blindly follow science." I don't blindly follow it, but I'm not wingnut enough to actually believe that because science demonstrates something, it must be wrong. Left to people like you, science would never have made the advances it has.
You ever stop to think that the reason you shut that debate down is because no one else was able to bring themselves down to your level of stupidity?
The only reason you "shut down" the debate, or more likely discussion that you turned into a argument of ignorance is that I wasn't there to shut YOU down.
There are plenty of documented instances where other animals share milk. Cats have been known to suckle canines. For a single example.
Frankly, your argument stinks of creationist arguments.
While I see where you are coming from, a more valid point would have been the fact that after infanthood, humans are the only animals who continue to drink milk. Most people loose the enzyme required to digest lactose after they are weaned from their mother. That is where we get lactose intolerance. Aproximately 75% of the world is lactose intolerant whereas only aproximately 25% of the United States is lactose intolerant.
...sigh... this guy thinks he's smart; that's the best part.
The Pleiadian – Authority? Click on the link at the top about the Editors. You'll learn about the guy who wrote the article. Are you really so paranoid you think the beef industry paid some scientists to report that "Lucy" ate meat and then paid Ian to write this article to help us eat more meat? Have you been reading? These people don't need to be convinced to eat meat, they're going to whether Lucy ate it or not. And I doubt the beef industry gives a crap about converting vegetarians. I haven't seen a lot of campaigning in that demographic, have you?
"This is fake science. another attempt to mis-educate the populace with suppositions and opinions and presenting them as facts."
From the start, its clear that you are attempting to validate your own bias and spread it to everyone else. So how are you any different?
"How does marks on a bone provide that pre-human ate meat? How? There are millions of ways a fossil in nature can be exposed to being marked by moving rocks, earthquakes, vultures, other animals, floods, ...etc.etc. Marks produced by any of these means cannot be attributed to Pre-humans eating meat. Not to mention that animals such as bulls fighting each other may leave wounds and scars that are deep enought to chip bones, and leave marks on fossil when an animal dies....also when vultures ravage the corpse."
While it is true that bones can be marked through a variety of non-human processes, the markings left from deliberate butchering of an animal for the purpose of consumption – be it of marrow or meat – are very distinct. In other words, the precise nature of these markings, as well as their placement (Are they found on spots where an experienced human butcher would make cuts to, say, a meaty haunch?) become the basis for claims such as this. Qualified people are involved here. People who have spent many years in the school, field, and laboratory settings doing nothing but refining their knowledge and sharpening their ability to tell the difference between circumstantial markings from rock falls, predator markings, scavenger markings and human/hominid butcher marks. I have spent 10 years in the field of archaeology, most of that in the field. While I do not personally specialize in forensics or paleoanthropology, many of my colleagues do and I can assure you they know precisely what they are doing. There is very little "supposition" and "opinion" when it comes to this sort of osteological analysis.
"Are these possibilities also presented? I THINK NOT. THIS IS PURE SCIENCE FICTION. BELIEVE ARE YOUR OWN RISK."
Question everything? Sure.
But do us a favor and hold off on the claims of junk science when you are, yourself, totally ignorant of the field you criticize.
The argument you are objecting to stinks of creationist propaganda. So, arguing facts is a waste of time.
After all, the bible didn't have any "cavemen" in it, Reverend Jim told me what was in the bible. And HE was told by God directly, while he was in the bathroom and was spoken to in tongues.
Or in short, Reverend Jim told these kind folks what his flatulence told him. Hence facts, experimentation, analysis and logic hold no sway.
So, save your effort. Never argue with a fool, they only drag you down to their level and defeat you through their superior experience.
It's easy to determine when marks are made by tools vs. teeth (and which teeth, belonging to which animal, in many cases) vs. "other". We had several charts to assist us in classifying these kinds of marks decades ago when I studied forensic anthropology while working on on my archaeology degree. My goal was to work on more modern humans, specifically battlefield remains, but the principle remains the same.
I've been out of the field for a very long time because the grunt work at the junior levels wasn't to my taste, so I don't know what's available today. However, a bit of research would probably produce a lot of information that shows how to read marks on sight. If you're just a trolll, please run along and leave the discussion to the adults. Science doesn't cease to be just because you don't care for its results.
Really? You're trolling a food blog?
I know, it isn't science because those fossils weren't really human. Since they weren't mentioned in the bible, it ain't so.
Right?
Gravity isn't mentioned in the bible. Doesn't make me want to walk off of a tall structure though, I know what science proved.
If the marks on the bone are of the same depth and in the same direction and straight, it was probably not made through a natural process.
Hot dribbly juicy meat, it's why I have canines. I am glad to know we come from a long line of meat eaters.
Hear, hear! Wuff, wuff!!
At the moment I have 14 big ones! (Moscow Watchers, Caucasian Ovtscharkas & St.Bernhards);
I feed the majority BARF, so I fully agree with you!
My doggies eat BARF too! It gives them beautiful coats and strong healthy muscles and bones. Remove the bone chips from BARF and you have what I eat (meat, fruit, and veggies, no salt, no sugar, no grain, no dairy).
You do realize he was referring to his teeth when he says "canines", not to dogs. Don't get me wrong, I love dogs, but I also love my incisors and bicuspids.
This article was written by a caveman? They wrote about an interesting discovery then ran off into BS. Now all the bigiots rowed up about eating meat and being proud of it.
A recipe for marrow bones isn't BS. And I don't think you know what the word "bigot" means.
We arn't just proud of it, we make a lifestyle out of it. Its not bigotry to eat meat you nitwit. The only way to apply bigotry to food choices is to exclude or hate one type of food over another simply because it is different. I eat all types of food. You on the other hand seem indifferent toward meat, what are you some kind of food bigot
Since you are an omnivore, I want to see you eating humans.. for you it should be the same, killing is killing.. what is the difference if morons like you are hungry
Aren't you killing that lettuce plant when you rip it out of the ground to eat it? Killer!!! That plant used to be alive ... :(
Yummmm! Forbidden meat!
So you actually do something that is forbidden for a reason. Man do you kill humans too? since it is forbidden? Or may be take pleasure in hurting others? That is forbidden too.. go on try them all.. why stop with killing innocent animals
Agreed. You obviously do not know what "bigot" means.
Actually, it's a very old and well respected recipe.
Personally, I use the bones for stock. I can't seem to digest certain fats, such as marrow or brain.
YOU DON'T EAT NO MEAT?!?!?!? That's ok, that's ok...... I MAKE LAMB
how do you manage to
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... make a lamb ...
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Interesting to imagine!
However, lamb/mutton IS also my preference over beef!
NO veal, NO horsemeat, NO PORK (ugh... most similar to human flesch, they say!)
NO chickens ... sorry, can't/won't eat 'em! Eggs neither!
Woosh! "My Big Fat Greek Wedding" reference went right over your head. Helpful hint: click the "main" button for eatocracy and watch the video.
PETA... People Eating Tasty Animals.......he
Did you make up that one yourself???
P-E-T-A People with Excessive Time Available. – lighten up, all right?
you should be a synonym for MORON!!!
GROSS!!!!
It would help if CNN could tell me how long to roast them for. i don;t even know how to boil water.
Varies wildly – just keep an eye on 'em!
watch 'em roasting! (.. at least keep taking peeks).
It does tell you in the recipe:
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.... roast until marrow is soft, but not dripping out. (Timing will vary according to individual ovens.)....
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I reckon roasting them is the easiest part.
First of all you gotta go and CATCH 'em, then slaughter 'em, then cut 'em up!
just saying!
but, delicious! hmmmmm!
If God didn't want us to eat animals, he shouldn't have made them out of meat.
So does that make it okay for people to eat people since we are made out of meat too?
human....mmmm...delicious!
Sure.... this is called human cleansing, just like war, when there are too many of us, the natural process is to have disease, war or even eating ourselves to make space for new ones....
That joke went right over your head.
Yes but your argument is flawed. Most animals won't eat their own kind unless absolutely pressed in times of famine but they will gladly devour some other prey.
Don't lie to your self. A tiger doesn't care if you have feelings, a predator eats prey. I shall never, ever feel guilty for eating meat. Our bodies were designed to process meat as well as vegetable matter for a reason.
Yes.
In a word, "Yes."
Only the stupid, whiny ones . . . care to go on a flight over the Andes?
Technically, Yes. Socially acceptable? not so much.
Kelly, let me guess. You are blond, under 30 and as idealistic as the day is long. Nothing wrong with that, but please, please refrain from posting until your skull hardens, child.
Oh, grow up. What do you think the pointy teeth are for?
Besides, if we don't eat farm animals the farmers will slaughter them en masse, bury them with bulldozers, and file a huge tax loss.
dumb
We process meat -better- than vegetable matter for a reason. We don't digest cellulose at all.
And we don't digest cellulose for a reason. It's called dietary fiber.
It helps bind the stool, keeping it moist enough to pass easily.
Or in small words, for those of small understanding:
It helps you poop.
God made humans out of meat too.. want to start eating them too:? What a moron!
Farm animals only exist because we eat them. If we were to all quit eating meat, what do you think would happen to them then? Suffering, big time, because they can't afford to feed useless chattel. Then, the dead carcasses would be bulldozed under the garden sod, as an unceremonious end to all those edible species. How many species would disappear in that mass extinction?
I love how ignorant people try to make up for their ignorance with silly jokes.
absolutely hilarious darren. i like meat and i kill animals.
wow! you certainly seem proud of the fact that you actually take pleasure in killing, people like you stink up the society, I hope you decided not to have any offspring, we need to have compassionate people on earth, not killers....
Let's all troll Nikki some more; she's about to explode. I love meat, too, Nikki, and I just swatted a fly.
Selfish and unfeeling.
I don't trust anyone who doesn't eat meat. . .
You don't trust people who eat different foods than you? You're awfully paranoid.
Ungh! Meat good!
Veggies good!
Mother in law bad!
I eat human. Do you still trust me?
Tried human before. Too salty.
Tastes like chicken?
I found it fatty
So you're a humanitarian, then?
Human tastes not like chicken, closer to pork. Americans are in eddible due to the fact that 80% of our fat is made up of an artificial pesticide. On top of that, smokers taste horrible. The good eatin is in the Philippines.
I love animals. They are delicious.
No wonder your name is smellie.... you smell of rotten dead meat! You are no better than a serial killer.
If eating meat makes me a killer, then I would much rather be a serial killer than a cereal killer.....
Veggie are what FOOD eats