 On June 17th, Congress convened to vote on H.R. 1018, the Restore Our Mustangs Act, which expands the Wild Free-Roaming Horses and Burros Act of 1971 and prohibits the processing of wild horses or burros for slaughter. The bill passed, but advocates against it claim that this wild horsemeat could be a viable source of sustenance for hungry people across the nation. |
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To feed third world countries? Take all the grain, the water and land to produce the grains included, and give that to those who are dying from starvation....instead of feeding it to animals that kill you because you eat them.
I think that way, too! It takes a lot of grain and water to feed the animals we eat, but instead of giving all the grain and water to them and starving a lot of humans, give it to the people! I mean, not starve the animals, but don't waste the food when most Americans eat just some muscle and greens. Give some to the homeless people out there!
Third world animals eat horse meat.
They also eat dogs and cats and bugs (which the latter is also now on the American menu). I would give up eating any and all meat if it would stop this practice of killing horses for meat. :(
Why is eating cat or dog meat bad? We eat pigs, cows, fish, etc without a problem, so what makes a dog, cat or horse any different?
YA WHY DONT THEY JUST SLAUGHTER MEN WOMAN AND CHILDREN AND EAT THEM! It is animal cruelty and disgusting. We can surive living by NOT eating horses and dogs and cats. That is so gross. An id rather see they kidnapping people and eating them for dinner.... what a nice concept. Humans are SCUM and evil. Anyone want to come eat my animals and they will be digging their grave......
Hey look!! A psycho!!!
physco?? I believe you are the physco. I back them up 100% percent
So Closed minded Robin, time to venture outside of your bubble maybe?
Close minded because she opposes something that other countries do? How convenient for you to say. It reads to me like she has a personal conviction against it and what is next...how about we start hacking up the unwanted dogs and cats at the shelters and serve them up on the grill because we are so stupid as humans we MUST kill it ALL. Greed is at the bottom of this and that is that. Love for the ever powerful dollar and ways to generate a not needed market.
This country doesn't have eneough meat products to fill thier face with ? We have to resort to rounding up wild and beautiful mustangs and eat them too ?? What a joke.
I know I would never eat horse meat then with that being said why do I or others feel ok by butchering cattle or chickens these animals have feelings as well. I feel I shouldn't but I still find myself eating both foul and beef. I'm not saying it's alright to eat other livestock but just feel we should think about the other meats we would eat and ask ourselves why.
Eat horse meat..Not Me.. Do you know how many chemicals are admistered to horses? Lots... I have many horses and have had them all my life.. I have administered all kinds of chemicals over the years.. De wormers, Vaccines, Butte, Pain killers, antiobiotics, fly spray, ingestable fly repelent, all kinds of stuff that is not good for humans to ingest. so you want us to eat horse meat that could be tanted with all this crap?.. NOT ME.. Besides, the way horses are killed by our slaughtering process.It is horrid and inhumane.. and I don't want to be a part of that.. The beef I eat is farm killed. it is shot once and it's dead.. no suffering... and I know what that steer has eaten all it's life..
I remember when I was a kid you could buy horse meat at the supermarket.
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo..............never eat horse meat you i hatee you if you would let any one eat dog cat horse rat coyote any animal exep cows chickens and pork!!!
Horses are for ridin', not eatin'
You can eat what you ride... your poor wife...
To clarify if it hasn't been done already, HR 1018 passed the House July 17, 2009, not 2010. Somebody is hanging it up in the Senate Subcommittee on Public Lands & Forests. Americans need to scream about this to those members: Wyden (OR), Johnson (SD), Landrieu (LA), Cantwell (WA), Menendez (NJ), Lincoln (AR), Udall (CO), Shaheen (NH), Bingaman (NM), Murkowski (AK), Barrasso (WY), Risch (ID), McCain (AZ), Bennett (UT), Sessions (AL), Corker (TN).
The ROAM Act needs improvement; it should not be passed as is; we have improvements written up. It is unconscionable that the Senate has been sitting on this bill for a year & they probably will use the excuse that it's an election year, so they won't have time to address it. That means we have to start all over in Jan 2011 with the new 112th Congress. We must gear up for this.
I am volunteering to put together a confidential national/statewide database of wild horse advocates/supporters for better communications with one another & organization. Please email your name, organization affiliation (if any), email address, & city/state to:
wildhorseaction@yahoo.com
I'm an avid wild horse & burro advocate in CA.
Remember, our American culture & values in this day & age DO NOT support eating horsemeat. Therefore, we should not allow the butchering of America’s horses either on or off of our soils. If other countries choose to eat horsemeat, let them raise their own & butcher them there.
For the wild ones, Carla B
OK,MY TURN,YOU HEARD FROM MY DAUGHTER NOW ME,NOT ALL OF THESE SO CALLED WILD HORSES ARE MUSTANGS,A MUSTANG OR PROPERLY CALLED SPANISH BARB MUSTANG IS A DIFFERENT BREED ALL TOGETHER,MOST OF THE WILD HORSES OUT THERE TODAY ARE U.S. CALVARY REMOUNTS I WONDER WHAT THE GOV.DID WITH ALL THE HORSES AND MULES THAT THEY GOT RID OF WHEN THEY ELEMINATED THE CALVARY AND MULE TEAMS ??.OK I WAS AROUND FOR HORSE ROUND UPS BACK N THE 1960S WHEN IT WAS ALL PRIVATE.WE WOULD CULL OUT THE SICK AND CRIPPLED AND WORK WITH THE REST FOR PUBLIC SALE,THE CULLS WENT FOR DOG FOOD BECAUSE NO ONE WAS AROUND TO DOCTOR THIER SICKNESS OR PATCH UP THIER INJURIES.NOW FOR THE FUN PART,WHEN THE GOV. TOOK OVER ROUNDING UP THE HORSES IS COST TAX PAYERS(YOU AND ME) AND NOW DAYS IT'S ABOUT $115.00 PER HEAD BEFORE ADOPTION,THAT IS COSTING THE TAX PAYERS TO ROUND UP THESE HORSES AND MULES,AND THEY USE HELICOPTERS TO CATHER THEM .HORSES ARE ANIMALS NOT PETS .MYSELF I WONDER WHY YOU WORRY MORE ABOUT HORSES THEN YOU DO THE CHILDREN OF THIS COUNTRY,IF YOU CHECK YOU WILL FIND OUT THAT HORSE MEAT WAS USED TO FEED ALOT OF PEOPLEIN THE U.S. AND ALOT OF INSTITUTIONS IN THE U.S..I FIND IT HARD TO BELIVE THAT INTELLIGENT PEOPLE PUT ANIMALS OVER HUMANS ,BUT I GUESS THAT'S WHAT THIS COUNTRY GOING TO.WITH ALL THE SHIT THAT'S WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY AND THE BEST YOU CAN DO IS COMPLAIN ABOUT HOW HORSES ARE TERATED,AND IT'S BEING DONE IN ANOTHER COUNTRY FAR FROM HERE.JUST THINK IN OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD DOG AND CAT MEAT IS THE PREFFERED MEAT.AND JUST SO YOU KNOW "VEGETARIAN" IS AN INDIAN WORD WICH MEANS"ONE THAT CANNOT FEED HIS FAMILY" CUS HE'S A LOWSEY HUNTER !!IF I CAN BE OF ANY OTHER ASSISTNCE PLEASE LET ME KNOW.BILLY
BILLY LACY? Aren't humans animals as well? Look what people are doing to their children, its on the news all the time.
Yes, humans are animals. The human's phylum is Chordata (vertebrate). The human's class is mammalia. It's order is primate (the same as apes). It's family is Hominidae (apes that have no tail and can gather food with their hands.) The Human's sub-family is Homininae. It's tribe is Hominini. It's genus is Homo and it's specie is scientifically named Homo Sapiens.
Our tax dollars will pay for the illnesses of the foreign citizens in our country who obtain horse meat illegally and continue to eat it while living on American soil.
Foreign countries are wising up to the dangers and heath risks involved in eating tainted meat and the demand is being overcome by sensibility and laws concerning the sale of horse meat to the foreign market.
Ask Jane... she will tell you! Get a life! Eat an eggplant!
Do we really need a poll about eating our companion animals? Those beautiful creatures who have helped build this country and helped fight our wars and are our athletes and our friends, and who were once extinct thanks to mankind's animalistic nature and are now supposed to protected by law?
What ARE we thinking! Next thing, we will be taking a poll whether we should massacre dolphins and eat them!
Horses are not raised for food, their flesh contains carcinogens that will kill you. Europeans are just finding this out and next month all US horses will be banned from their food chain. Also, thanks to undercover videos from 3 countries the dirty secret of butchering horses alive is now out.
I could not think you are more right.
Thank god some bloggers can still write. Thanks for this article!!!
An all around amazingly written blog post...
The R.O.A.M. Act did not pass it is languishing in the Senate while Salazar and the BLM committ genocide upon our treasured wild mustangs using taxpayer dollars and public lands for their own personal agendas like letting 7 million cattle destroy ranges and water sources on public lands designated principally for the mustangs by congress in 1971 and strip mining public lands and polluting water sources and killing wildlife including the native american mustang.
The idea of eating a horse or a cat or dog is REPUGNANT to me! We need to stop horse slaughter in the US -it's illegal to eat horse meat in the US so why do we allow our US horses to be shipped to Mexico and Canada and die a horribly painful death so that a few europeans can eat them!!?? STOP HORSE SLAUGHTER, and anyone who wants to eat horse meat that's your decision, but please think about it...would you want to eat your cats or dogs...then the same for horses, they are NOT raised to be slaughtered like most cows. And that's a whole other story...
We slaughter horses very humanely up here... I don't know about Mexico. U.S. horses, I think patriotism has reached a new height.
Pro-Slaughter agenda, move on. No more wild mustang roundups, no horse slaughter for human consumption or otherwise, no shipping over boarders for profit slaughter. LEAVE OUR WILD AND DOMESTIC HORSES ALONE, ENOUGH! No matter how you want to package it, slaughter is cruel, depraved and a display of the lowest aspects of human nature.
by the way one more thing.. while you think about things solving problems and getting the horses killed for horse meat why don't we just come out and admit it.. It's only having to deal with Not having to have to pay out to having them helped. just slaughter then and get it over with huh? that's the answer for all solutions isn't it.. kill everything and let it all die taking out symbolization of freedom away .. while your at it.. take the statue of liberty down while your at it see where it gets us.. NO WHERE!
sorry my computer messed up it just does what ever it wants.. so, now, you've heard it from me.. how to make a change and I'm done talking have a good day and Hope a Change comes soon because obviously it's going to be needed if we are going to even be able to co-exist in this nation.
First of all, you all can come up with so many reasons to eat a horse ... You can come up with so many reasons not to kill a horse.. Let me educate you all on something.. you all can make up all the reasons to kill horses and you all are not understanding the main factor of what lies ahead for the horses that are here in the U.S. IF you all continue to fight and keep slaughter open for Horses to be Consumed.. There's going to be Several health issues in the U.S. and all over the Nation.. Even though you think that wild horses are safe for human consumption only you think that's the case.. However you think of how many insects are out there and worms and viruses and health issues that happen and you don't understand what you eat can harm you. you don't care what you eat you just want to kill what you think is fine to eat.. you want to push horses off their land that's all there is to it to support taking the land for yourself and have it used to drill or substitute for YOUR OWN purposes to make money.. you don't care about the horses you don't care about the people who are in this country that we live in you only care about yourself and worry about what's going to happen next not taking it one day at a time and working together which solving solutions are are being faced today.. everyone is wrong everyone is not caring that are out to hurt harmless animals when right now we have plenty of food .. going to the grocery store its not empty. its not making us suffer.. you all are just wanting to kill... killers are that source of just wanting to have what they want. nothing more nothing less. money, greed, power.. well, I gotta say i'm disgusted at everyone of you that are wanting to kill these poor creatures and I am really disgusted by the way our country is going I must say that I really hope that things are different in the future for the only way this country is going to change is if the people in it is going to want to make that change.. leave it up to the president sure.. to make that change HA yeah right.. he can't do it on his own.. you want change.. MAKE the change.. and make a difference for all that lives in this country . There;s your change. you make the difference. Every one of you that want to kill.. Love life and enjoy what is around us THAT is the change every one of you killers need to make.
First of all, you all can come up with so many reasons to eat a horse ... You can come up with so many reasons not to kill a horse.. Let me educate you all on something.. you all can make up all the reasons to kill horses and you all are not understanding the main factor of what lies ahead for the horses that are here in the U.S. IF you all continue to fight and keep slaughter open for Horses to be Consumed.. There's going to be Several health issues in the U.S. and all over the Nation.. Even though you think that wild horses are safe for human consumption only you think that's the case.. However you think of how many insects are out there and worms and viruses and health issues that happen and you don't understand what you eat can harm you. you don't care what you eat you just want to kill what you think is fine to eat.. you want to push horses off their land that's all there is to it to support taking the land for yourself and have it used to drill or substitute for YOUR OWN purposes to make money.. you don't care about the horses you don't care about the people who are in this country that we live in you only care about yourself and worry about what's going to happen next not taking it one day at a time and working together which solving solutions are are being faced today.. everyone is wrong everyone is not caring that are out to hurt harmless animals when right now we have plenty of food .. going to the grocery store its not empty. its not making us suffer.. you all are just wanting to kill... killers are that source of just wanting to have what they want. nothing more nothing less. money, greed, power.. well, I gotta say i'm disgusted at everyone of you that are wanting to kill these poor creatures and I am really disgusted by the way our country is going I must say that I really hope that things are different in the future for the only way this country is going to change is if the people in it is going to want to make that change.. leave it up to the president sure.. to make that change HA yeah right.. he can't do it on his own.. you want change.. MAKE the change.. and make a difference for all that lives in this country . Theres your change. you make the difference. Every one of you that want to kill.. Love life and enjoy what is around us THAT is the change every one of you killers need to make.
I make great efforts not to eat any "meat" GO Vegan
Horse meat could feed the hungry? Seriously...they get 90cents per pound just to go to slaughter....It isn't a cheap alternative!! I view a horse like a cat or dog....and we pump horses with wormer and medicine. NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION!! The horses are slaughtered and still alive!! It is in humane the way these horses die...most are still alive when they are strung up and drained of blood!! Sick...just sick
First off I am a vegetarian and do not eat animals...period. Horses have very similar emotions as people in a lot of way, tehy get scared at times, sad at times, excited at times, sweet at times, moody at times and loving at times. The are imperfect much like humans and honest unlike humans. They are very forgiving and extremely willing unlike most humans, they are super powerfull yet completely modest unlike humans...they long for love and attention and respect just like humans....... I have no respect for anyone who would eat such an animal...... not that such a person would give a crap
i depend on my horse as a companion and to help me make my extra money in the ring so why would i want to eat someting that helps u make money and live? and yes all horses are filled with meds and sprays which are harmful and can kill humans if assumed enough of it.its cruel to eat horses and most of them that end up in slaughter are young good horses that can be used in places for work.and its a mix its not just races horses in slaughters its becomen equal amounts of both but the point is no i wont eat my horses i rescue them from slaughter.
I don't eat meat and would rather die than eat such a noble animal.
Do horses eat humans? Do they eat meat?
That makes horses more civilized than humans.
What do you want to bet that 99% of the people in America have not killed the animals that they are consuming, nor have they been in the slaughterhouses and watched as the animals are being killed for themselves to consume their flesh. If it sounds like a horror movie, it's factually worse. Some animals are pregnant or have their babies nearby as they are killed and slaughtered. Oh Yeah, animal flesh tastes good and we need it for protein You can keep on telling yourself this or you can learn about what's really going on in our meat industries. Check it out, you may be appalled. I was. Unfortunately, it took me too many years to get my head out of the sand and see the reality of what's really happening. The horse slaughter plants in Canada are extremely corrupt and I don't even want to think about the "plants" in Mexico! Someone once told me that they never eat anything with a mother or a face.....I live with this motto also now, with knowledge and a greater understanding.
Thank you Chris
I sure can't top that:)
Again Thank you
Thank you Kathy, Let's keep on educating people who may not be aware of the atrocities that the animals have to endure to be put on a plate.
Great post Chris on exposing what really goes on. I don't eat meat including chicken and fish. There are plenty of other even cheaper ways to get protein other than eating animals and is healthier for you as well. Try legumes.
Thanks Laura, Beans are the best! There are so many different varieties and so rich in protein and fiber.
What is this corruption you mention regarding Canadian meat plants? I'm Canadian and it's news to me!
Horses are not killed humanely, horse are not raised like cows and chickens. We need to safe our wild horses and burro not kill them. What is happening to our country, sick that someone would even think of eating horse meat. Lots of family horses are even stolen from their owners property to be sold to killer buyers.
Would you eat your dog even if in dire need? THIS IS DISGUSTING AND SHOULDN'T EVEN BEEN BROUGHT INTO QUESTION.
Is nothing sacred in this world? How despicable?
BUT YOUR DOG WOULD EAT YOU!!..YOU DO REMEMBER THE ANIMAL KINGDOM ? AND OF COARSE THERE ARE SOME ANIMALS THAT WILL KILL JUST TO KILL.GET REAL AND MAKE COMMENTS THAT MAKE SCENCE OR CENTS ??
And, it's not just about eating horse meat. It's also about their transportation and slaughter – both of which are extremely cruel – so cruel that you don't even want to imagine.
Julie Caramante is an animal cruelty investigator and she wrote: “I saw horses that were dead in trailers. I saw horses with their legs ripped off, with their faces smashed in, eyeballs dangling, and these horses, some of them were still alive. They were just standing there." This was in reference to their transport.
They are killed by stakes being driven into their brains – they are NOT shot, which would be much more humane.
So, the issue for me is not just whether to eat the meat, but How are they being transported to the slaughter houses and how are they being slaughtered. Those issues must be addressed before we even consider whether we would eat them.
See Julie Caramonte's results from her Freedom of Information Act request of the USDA:
Humane transport regulation violations documented at Beltex slaughter plant, in Texas:
http://www.animals-angels.com/index.php?pageID=675
YOU ARE ANOTHER ONE THATS MAKES COMMENTS ON THINGS THAT YOU DON'T KNOW A THING ABOUT.IT'S A DAMN SHAME THAT ALL OF YOU VEGANS DISPLAY THIS TYPE OF IGNORANCE.AND AGAIN VEGETARIAN IS AN INDIAN WORD FOR LOWSEY HUNTER.I WISH YOU PEOPLE WOULD DO YOUR HOME WORK AND NOT LISTEN TO EVERY WORD THAT FOX OR CNN PUTS OUT THERE,YOU DO KNOW IT IS LEGAL FOR THE MEDIA TO LIE
Jesus was born in a stable. Noah did what was commanded of him and saved the equine. A donkey was the chosen mount by Jesus to take him to Jerusalem. Nativity scenes at Christmas. St. Francis of Assisi and the blessing of pets. In the Bible (Numbers 22) the Lord caused the donkey to speak because it was being abused. Our country was founded on christian principles. The Bible tells us equine is NOT a food animal. Evil is the root of horse slaughter but good will prevail in the end. The battle continues and eventually this evil will be stopped.
DO YOU BELIVE EVERYTHING YOU READ ?? BEFORE YOU ANSWER YOU MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT SCIENCE AND THE HORSE AND THEN ANSWER.I'VE BEEN AROUND MORE HORSES THEN MOST OF YOU PUT TOGETHER,AND I'VE NEVER SEEN OR HEARD OF WHAT MOST OF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.YOU LIE AND TELL STORIES TO GET ATTENTION AND SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES
Well, Billy Blow it would do you good to brush up on your reading and maybe you would learn like us and also it would definately help with your spelling! If you were around all those horses and didn't learn anymore than you know, then you must have been just a poop scooper.
I was in Guam and eat Dog not knowing what it was. When I found out everyone thought it was funny. I am a dog devotee.
I didn't eat for three days. I stopped eating beef , polk and lamb 40 years ago. I feel bad when I think of the years I eat meat. I also do not ever have to diet,
no i would never eat horsemeat,i don,t believe in killing horses or animals,anyone who does kill horses is an animal torturer!!!!! and a killer!!!!!! and a psycopath!!!!!!
I would never eat horsemeat, nor do I eat any other mammals. The folks who feel that horses may be a "viable source" for feeding hungry people across the nation are the people who will be making money on horse slaughter. There's no shortage of food in this country, my friends, there is a shortage of $$$, common sense and compassion.
Commercial slaughter houses are inhumane....period. Horse slaughter is cruel because they are butchered alive so the blood will drain out while they are hoisted up by their feet.
i hear monkey brain taste good too!! why don't we put that on the marke too and start advertising as how good and healthy it is for us! after all, some of us need jobs as human population has grown and we need more food! sorry, but the answer is not about eating every creature that moves! there's a thing called ethics and humanity!!
Stop Slaughter!!!! http://www.vickitobin.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/whos.on.first.pdf.pdf
Why is a story about the potential slaughter of American Mustangs illustrated with a photo of Icelandic ponies?
I was wondering that myself, well most don't know the front of a horse from the back so what can we expect.
I think CNN was encouraged to run this article by some pro slaughter group.
i would rather starve to death than eat horsemeat! the horse slaughter trade is one of the most inhumane and barbaric industries in the world. do you really want to eat such tortured flesh? Horses are one of the most sentient and spiritual animals on this planet!
my life is horses, so i believe that they have soooo much more to offer the human race and our spiritual evolvement than a piece of meat on a dinner plate...
http://www.springreinsofhope.com
Christina, have you ever been hungry or gone without? Think before you say such things, you never know when you might be in that position.....
Good gosh, here go humans again-lets justify the reason to kill more things because we are so freakin superior.
This is whats left of america. Might as well, we're loosing the space program, oil program, hell, lets just make it complete and call us a third world contry-and lets eat our horses. Lets kill and eat every living thing because we can because we are the macho superior race.
I am just amazed everyday at how low humanity is getting. Just sickens me.
Sadly, that rings all too true.
YEP! I AGREE 100% – NOTHING IS SACRED ANYMORE AND THIS COUNTRY'S STANDARD IS GOING DOWN TO HELL.
Go Betty!!!- eat up that toxic horsemeat, you will get what you deserve in the end. Good on ya!!
This is a very odd poll. Why are we even considering eating horses? In Canada, a private member's bill has just been introduced to end horse slaughter, as it is so inhumane. Will dogs, cats and old folks be next? Really, CNN, get serious.
For those who think horse meat might just be the new "taste sensation" they are looking for, please view this undercover video first and then tell me you want to eat the terror and pain of a horse, an animal raised to be a friend not food. There has not been a humane way of slaughtering a horse developed (as if the slaughtering of any animal could be called humane – euthanasia it is not).
Dr. Nicholas H. Dodman, of the American College of Veterinary Behaviorists, said: "horses experienced sheer terror", "some horses were not properly stunned", "if people knew what was going on they would be up in arms" and "this practice should be banned"
If you still believe that horse slaughter is humane, please look at the latest report, photos and videos on CBC's The National "No Country for Horses". Graphic warning, but if you think you would like to eat them, look at this first. These disturbing images are now rightfully being viewed around the world. Why would the slaughter and eating of these magnificent creatures even be considered?
http://www.cbc.ca/thenational/indepthanalysis/story/2009/10/08/national-photogallery-horses.html
So this is what havinga demiocrat in the white house has reduced us to? eatting horses? ugh
Nah.... this is what happens when your Government reports to whatever corporation or lobby has the most cash. Money is Power, my friend; don't let anyone tell you any different.
"Wherever man has left his footprint in the long ascent from barbarism to civilization we will find the hoofprint of the horse beside it." ~John Moore
"Why did this animal that had prospered so in the Colorado desert leave his amiable homeland for Siberia? There is no answer. We know that when the horse negotiated the land bridge... he found on the other end an opportunity for varied development that is one of the bright aspects of animal history. He wandered into France and became the mighty Percheron, and into Arabia, where he developed into a lovely poem of a horse, and into Africa where he became the brilliant zebra, and into Scotland, where he bred selectively to form the massive Clydesdale. He would also journey into Spain, where his very name would become the designation for gentleman, a caballero, a man of the horse. There he would flourish mightily and serve the armies that would conquer much of the known world." ~James Michener
Our American Horses have built this countyr and are still doing it today. These magnificient and majestic animale are the Icon's of the American west. When you get close to a horse and, you are never the same again. They get way down deep in your heart and soul. A horse is the most gentle creature and the most beautiful creature that god ever created. NO I WOULD NEVER EAT A HORSE. WHAT A DISPICABLE QUESTION TO ASK CNN! And you call your self American. No wonder I don't watch your station. SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!!
What a strange poll – where did this originate from? Food is available and cheap enough, so why are we discussing eating our wild horses? I would never eat a Mustang, they are part of our heritage. I wonder since North American domestic horses are being phased out by EU for slaughter purposes, due to health risks, if some commerial interests are testing the waters about slaughtering our wild horses! Certainly a strange poll for CNN!!
AMERICAN DON"T EAT THEIR HORSES!!
This is a very sick poll!!! Especially when we want to stop Horse Slaughter in this country.
They, the meat industry who runs this country, consider it the "slippery slope", if we prevail they know we'll continue to hound them for proper raising of livestock and proper care of our land and resources, that cuts their capital gains and they don't like that. It's funny that no one questions why they never see the raising of livestock, their transport or slaughter even though 10 billion are slaughtered every year for people to consume. It's the invisibility that keeps their business going, they don't like exposure because they know down deep that people are compassionate towards animals and humans and don't like to see them hurt. That's why slaughterhouses don't have windows, feed lots are stuck away in remote places, and labs are nameless and have no windows. "Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they'll believe it." Adolf Hitler
God help the Horses..I hope you take a GOOD look at what is being done and I don't care what you say, Horses are being tortured by the thousands.......People are messing with what they should not be, Dear Lord, what HE must be thinking about his creation being destroyed and all in the name of $$$$$$$$$$$$$
No, I would not eat horsemeat to answer the poll. That said:
A) The Wild Horses are PROTECTED, so this circus act of a poll is a joke and an attempt by Ken Salazar to murder as many animals as possible. Pathetic.
B) Domesticated horses are loaded with toxins, they are not acceptable food animals
C) horses cannot be slaughtered in a manner that is even remotely humane. They are conscious and feel the pain throughout the entire event. In addition, they have worked for and have been trained to benefit humans for their entire existence – would you send your seeing eye dog to slaughter knowing the dog would experience excruciating pain and suffering for days leading up to their death and remain conscious through the process to boot?
True Human – I could not agree more. Being disconnected from the work involved with eating allows for all of the disrepect we see for every single life form on the planet that in any way allows us to keep breathing. If we had to work for food like animals do I suspect more people would actually respect their existence. It might even spread to respecting the existence of others.
Horse Rancher – Captive Bolt NEVER renders the horse unconscious on the first try, more often than not, it doesn't manage the task after several attempts. Multiple gunshots are also required in those facilities that use firearms – shot in both eyes and the horse is still standing. In Mexico, they use a pontillo knife to slice them to death while they are fully conscious. I suggest you visit a slaughterhouse yourself.
TXMom – I am sorry you have had such a poor experience with horses – maybe it was the trainer. I disagree, and have found them to be more intelligent than dogs from the standpoint of finding ways to effectively communicate a problem.
GAAAACCCCKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is what the pro slaughter people are counting on, for the US to eat horse meat!. So they can get rid of their unwanted horses! That they bred over and over. That is cruel.
what kind of sick joke is this? Eating Horses? Why don't we eat our dogs and cats as well? Do we not have enough food on this planet to feed us? We already fill our cows with unwanted hormones so they can be eaten by us while being caged up with thousands of other cows. How much more inhumane can we get? This is ridiculous. This poll shouldn't have been posted period. Humans are already over weight and unhealthy, why would we need another meat source? As if we didn't breed enough animals for our slaughterhouses already. Here are a few facts that maybe no one knows about:
*Horses who are slaughtered are not bred or raised for that purpose. Most horses who are sent to slaughter were, at one time, a pet.
*Horses who are sent to slaughter are not old- most are under 8 years of age.
*Horses are not tested for medicines that could be harmful to humans before being slaughtered.
*Horses who are sent to slaughter are not all lame or sick.
*Horses are not killed humanely- a bolt is supposed to be driven through their head, but that is the hardest part of their body. They flail around wildly when in the chute (unlike cows, which do not have long necks), so it often means that a horse is hit several times with a bolt before being killed. Sometimes the bolt does not kill the horse, and it is alive while being vivisected. Mares in foal will be slaughtered, and the foal, sometimes close to term, will spill out, to be then killed.
*Horse slaughter does not reduce the amount of horses- in does just the opposite.
*The slaughterhouses in Texas and Illinois were in constant violation and did not abide by our health codes, to the point of even allowing the blood of dead horses to spill into the waterway.
*Horses are not livestock as their primary purpose and function is not meat. They should be classified differently, as we do dogs and cats.
*There is no viable market for horsemeat in the United States.
*Horsemeat is not used in dog food.
*Horses do not cry out in pain, so we must be their voice.
GONNA GO TO HELL FOR LIYING
The killbuyers have a catchy little slogan to antagonize us "treehuggers". '"from stable to table in 7 days". That isn't even enough time for an aspirin to go thru the system.Most horse at the auction have been given Bute to make them appear sound so they would sell..Alot of racehorses (for instance) require Lasix when they race...they are also required to be UTD on vaccines..we also use fly sprays,linaments, furacin...all come with explicit instructions on the labels...Not for use on animals intended for slaughter/human consumption. We don't even feed horseeat to our dogs in the USA because there is an ingredient in the dewormers that are toxic to dogs.
Now...we have the 'mustangs" who have never been vaccinated, dewormed or given an antibiotic. Soooo, therefore, they have worms....therefore they may carry things like fly or mosquito borne diseases because they have never had an antibiotic or vaccination. do people think that is healthier than a domesticated horse? Do they really think the USDA is going to inspect any of them for sickness? The USDA is not even required to do so because horses are not considered livestock.
So Bon Apetite europe and japan...the USA horemeat can sicken or even kill you.
Eating worms vs a dewormed with chemical horse...eating a sick horse vs one that is full of antibiotics...eating ahorse that has been given Bute? eating a horse that has had fly sprayvs eating a horse that has fly or mosquito borne illnesses? Boy...either they are addicted to horsemeat or the USA is getting by becuase of their greedy lies.
Excellent point regarding auction horses. I once saw a horse (blind) in an auction pen unable to move, apparently in a huge amount of pain. You could see she wanted to get closer to the gate, but each time she tried to move, she almost collapsed. 10 hours later, when she was run through as a loose horse for the kill buyers to fight over, funny enough, she was moving around relatively normal. For a blind, terrified horse, that is. It was a miracle, all right...a miracle of modern horse medicine.
http://humaneobserver.blogspot.com/2010/06/blm-castrating-older-stallions-smile.html AND SCROLL THROUGH TO BOTTOM, READ Thank you!
Hey, why is this comment still awaiting moderation? Did you get too bust reading or is this a gliche?
and here's more info for the critically informed
http://www.wildearthguardians.org/library/paper.asp?nMode=2&nLibraryID=874
there's actually a TON of posts online. more info :
http://planetgreen.discovery.com/travel-outdoors/livestock-grazing-at-taxpayers-expense.html
If any of you who just voted yes to horse slaughter (yes you'd eat it) want to know what we're talking about go here http://humaneobserver.blogspot.com/2010/06/blm-castrating-older-stallions-smile.html
I've eaten horsemeat in Trieste. The arguments for & against—ethical/moral, environmental/political, nutritional/medical, and otherwise—strike me as no different than those for & against any other animal. Visceral reactions against it are cuturally biased—which is okay as long as it's recognized; indignance is a cultural luxury in this case.
Presumably, if breeding/ranching for the meat industry became viable in the US, the drugs etc. that they'd be administered would not be dangerous to humans. (I realize that's giving both the USDA and the industry a lot of theoretical credit they may or may not deserve.)
http://www.denveater.com
For what it's worth, the horsemeat I ate was pretty tough & gamey, but one dish does not an expert opinion make.
There is NEVER going to be a horse breeding for meat is not going to happen in the US, because most Americans gag at the thought. How about all the "unwanted" – a term the slaughter bunch loves – dogs and cats? There's money to be made, protein not to be wasted! What are some of you people waiting for?
Don't be bamboozled – this is all just an effort to replace all wildlife on our Public Lands with cattle. Cattle, which are already overproduced in USA, most are exported for profits according to USDA – then same “for profiteers” import lesser quality beef from South America! Citizens, what is wrong with this picture?
This is also just an effort to support a failed socialist welfare program on our own soil. Look it up – CATO Institute 1997 Policy Analysis on Welfare Ranching – read it and weep – over 500 million dollars a year in direct and indirect costs to tax payers for a welfare program – welfare for the rich – your tax dollars going directly to “for profit” corporations CEO bonuses. And this is sucked out of us taxpayers by only 3% of cattle production – yes, that’s right, only 3%. Taxpayers UNITE against this aturocity against us!
So don’t be bamboozled by some notion by an extreme radical fanatical faction that we “need” wild horse meat – it’s a ploy against the good people of America.
Besides, these horses are full of toxins. Wild horses are regularly darted or rounded up and given chemicals. Eat them and you deserve what you get (too strong?). And Sue Wallis wants to feed horse meat to our nations school children and the infirmed – are we going to stand for that? What kind of person is this?
Contact your elected officials TODAY – Get cattle (and sheep) off of our public lands once and for all and leave our nations wildlife, including our wild horses, and our tax dollars alone!
Maybe Sue doesn't mind stopping. Maybe she thinks that after the surplus of Horses are cleaned up, after states have rebuilt economy with the help of the slaughtering, the boost in the economy and the will to elimnate the problem of surplus horses, should make Wyoming look good. Then down the road, find a better way. But, the better way is to put people to work. At jobs and companies that work well!
This is not "emotion" folks this is your World.
There is no reason that humans cannot enter emotion into the debate- certainly morality calls for emotion.
Good point. I should have said "not merely 'emotion'" and wished only to point out the misunderstood and overused term so easily cast out like a net to end the very thing it is – emotion. We must deal with it. We don't want to live in a world we cannot live in. And what whoever is feeding us is kinda crappy, and our water pipes need fixing too:)
And you are asking the ever growing foundation of your mere idea to continue unliving. But feeding us crap won't make that possible. Your idea is not an Ideal, so it is unsustainable yes, and also insubstantial to pass the overall test.
Hanaeleh-
Does your moral dedication towards horses and companion animals extend to cows, pigs, chickens and other livestock animals?
animal, the horse issue is now, and then I will devote myself to the next step. To me horses represent them all. Thank you for asking!
Most of the horses that are now slaughtered in Canada and Mexico have ingested phenobutazone a NSAID, which makes the meat unfit for human consumption. Nearly all race horses have been given "bute". My horse has had "bute", it is one of the most common drugs used for horses who need pain relief from injuries. That meat makes it way to Europe now.
Horsemeat full of all kinds of carcinogenic medications?
Yeah, no thanks.
They say it would be wild horsemeat, but who believes that?
Anyone who has eaten at Arby's has eaten horse plenty of times!
Arbys is this true? I'll start spraing that all over the blogs based on Shelleys comment unless you come out against this notion and come out against the current Wild Horse and Burro mess.
You know, you've got that cowboy hat as your emlem –
be a shame to tarnish that image!
Besides, representing your meat as beef, and then using horse meat is totally ILLEGAL!
What agency to we contact?
Hey, I take back the name-calling. Sorry.
Now take back the random usage of question marks.
Well, Shella, I mean Shelley, the question marks are intended for them to ask themselves the question.
I will readily apologize, but I will not say please or thank you!
I take back calling you Shella God Dog Damn It!
Good God CNN!!! – Pick the most delicious looking horses for your query?
What are you thinking? How irresponsible? Those fat Fjords ponies look scrumptious. You bastards?!! & Who are you working for?
Absolutely not. I wouldn't eat a cat or a dog either. (or any other domestic animal) We don't eat our pets in the United States.
Yeah, Americans just eat the stupid, ugly, and useless animals.
Dead flesh is dead flesh and if you eat it you need to remember where it came from. That burger you ate last week used to be part of a cow that was just peacefully chewing cud out in the field one day until it was packed on a truck and herded in line to it's execution (can you imagine the fear, the sense of doom with the sent of blood hanging heavily in the air while it waited?), it's body hung and drained of blood, aged and then cut up in to little pieces, ground and packaged to make it to your supermarket shelf before you put in your shopping cart took it home and grilled it.
Sure a cow is not a pet but it was a living, breathing, animal made of blood, tendon, bone and muscle before dinner – but ain't it delicious?
Aside from anything else, the animals you named are traditional food animals. Horses are NOT. In fact, to most horse owners consider their horses as COMPANION ANIMALS. Them's just the facts. And then there IS the matter of toxic chemicals companion animals are exposed to that are banned in food animals.
You are asking the wrong question. The question should be "do you advocate the rounding up and butchering of a part of our national heritage to satisfy greedy people." Yes, that is a little biased, but it is what it happening. The Bureau of Land Management is a joke.
I. Animals that live their lives without human contact should not be forced to end their days confined and terrified. Trace this back to its source and see who is pushing for this. People who are interested in using the land themselves. If it is approved for wild horses, it would either be approved for domesticated horses or you would suddenly see a lot more "wild horses."
NC has been successfully regulating the Banker pony population on the Outer Banks through birth control and gelding. It isn't easy but nothing worthwhile is. I can't imagine the Outer Banks without the ponies. They are survivors. Not true wild horses but they came from either shipwrecks where they swam for their lives or were abandoned by humans who failed to survive on the islands. Their bodies and their diet adapted to their environment. They came here with the ships that discovered and claimed this country. If we have a right to be here, so do they. Maybe they have even more of a right since they had not choice but to faithfully obey.
II. Show me that horse slaughter and transportation to slaughter can be achieved humanely. The current process doesn't work for horses. Many horses are horrifically injured in the transporting/holding process and must sit and suffer until they are slaughtered. Horses are social animals that live in herds. Each horse knows its place in the herd because they go through a pecking order. Any horse owner knows that integrating a new horse to the herd takes supervision to ensure none get hurt or run ragged. In the wild it isn't as big of a deal because horses that are being picked on can run as far as they need to to get away or find another herd to fit into. Throw a bunch of strange horses in a pen together and there will be injuries. The slaughter process isn't effective. Horses and cows are anatomically different. What works for the cow fails quite often in horses and leads to horses regaining consciousness while hanging upside down by their heel waiting for their throats to be slit.
I'm not a vegetarian, but any living creature deserves a humane end to to their life. If we are going to eat them we owe it to them to grant them a clean, painless death.
III. I would never eat horse meat because I know what goes into most horses. The majority of horses that end up in slaughter are their because they have been used up by their greedy owners. They are the performance horses that they pumped drugs into until they broke down. They are the breeding animals that were no longer catching or maintaining a pregnancy. How long do you think those owners keep them around. Not long enough for the drugs to get out of their system and many do leach into the meat.
Bute is used regularly. As was pointed out earlier, it was previously a human drug that the FDA declared dangerous. Many drugs can only be handled with gloves. Steroids, blood thinners, nerve blocks, strong antibiotics, pain relievers, vaccines, wormers, topical wound medications, hoof treatments, supplements etc are all unregulated in horses. You really want to take that chance with your body or your child's body just to have another protein option on the plate?
IV. Show me that it can be done without wrecking the local environment. Horses have twice the volume blood in their bodies as cows. Run-off and disposal are a constant problem, many horse slaughter houses are (or were for those in the US) repeat offenders on environmental regulations. Would you want it in your town?
I'd never eat horse meat. There is just something that doesn't sit well with the possibility of an animal that lending its strength, speed, stamina and companionship to humans for up to 20 years, spending its last moments frightened, in pain, and alone.
I would never eat a horse. Never. With the drugs administered to them, the meat would be very toxic. I couldn't eat them or my cat for that matter – even if I was starving, I'd eat fruit or plants (I already do, for that matter) before I'd eat my companion animals.
Aren't you lady who talks to orbs? If you don't hurry up and get a real job and stop living off of others you might start to look at your animals as appetizing.
Jim, she likely talks to her animals to, which is more than we can likely say for
I would no more eat horse than I would a dog or cat!!! They are not food source animals.
Additionally, horse meat is loaded with toxins and carcinogens from the vaccinations and drugs administered to them in the course of their lives. You would be eating POISON.
Horsemeat is sold as a "delicacy" in other countries at upwards of $20/pound, therefore does not feed starving people. Horses are not raised for food in this country. (They are more along the lines of dogs trained for jobs like herding, police work, sport, and therapy assistance.) Therefore, substances banned from food animals are in their bodies. They range from toxic wormers to phenylbutazone (PBZ), the “aspirin” of the horse world, and even include fertility drugs that can cause miscarriages in women. “PBZ is a known carcinogen and can cause aplastic anemia (bone marrow suppression) in humans”, says Equine Welfare Alliance (EWA) member, Dr. Ann Marini, Ph.D., M.D.
Some of the garbage ‘treatments’ that are given to performance horses included iodine-peanut oil injections along the spine, anabolic steroids, cocaine, amphetamines, opioids and even snake venom.
Americans do not eat horsemeat,it is a way for irresposible owners,trainers and breeders to dump them.
Plenty of documentation on the brutalities a horse suffers once they enter the slaughter pipeline,
SEE: http://www.kaufmanzoning.net Horses are given drugs that are banned in our meat animals,the mustangs,all mI see is a out of control BLM! A majority of Americans want to protect these horses .
Respect Life
"There are some people here that would eat anything, including a raccoon's a__served on a stick, these same people will someday find it justified to eat people, for they can't do without flesh."
June 22, 2010 at 10:42 pm
You got that right, I wonder how your BFF would taste done over mesquite chips with a lime chipotle sauce. Gotta go, time to floss my canines...
Go ahead, eat that horse meat. And when you are dying from cancer, don't ask for my taxes to help you. Horses are given Bute routinely and it causes cancer in humans, been proven. I would never eat my horses, dogs, cats, goats or donkeys. Neither will anyone else!!!!
Had some raw horsemeat (basashi) when I lived in Japan a few years ago - the leanest, best-looking meat I've ever seen. Topped with a little bit of chopped scallion, chopped garlic, chopped ginger and dipped in soy sauce... YUM!
I'll send my regards to your oncologist.
matt
"We have more than enough food in America. I can't think of anything more UN AMERICAN than eating a horse."
June 22, 2010 at 4:58 pm
Matt, have you ever considered that there are millions of folks born and bred here who wouldn't give a rat's rump what you consider "un american"? Hate to tell you, but Joe McCarthy died a broken drunk more than 50 years ago. Give me a nice filly (not Philly) steak with a cup of Bordeaux in a French bistro any day...
Would you like a little cancer with that too? That is the reality. Google Nicholas Dodman, horse, bute and read the latest science yourself. Horsemeat is TOXIC, causes cancer in humans. At least now you'll be informed about your choice.
Horses in the United States are not bred for consumption and thats a huge reason why you shouldn't eat it. There are no regulations on it and as a horse owner I can tell you that some of the substances used to treat illnesses in horses are carcinogenic (cancer causing). Plus, horses are vaccinated the same way that dogs and people are so your are running a risk by eating horse meat. And don't think that eating it in other countries gets you off the hook. Horse meat is exported from the US to other countries and most other countries don't breed horses for meat either. So no matter where you eat it you can be eating meat from what was once a pet in the US and could have been treated with harmful chemicals. My personal feelings about eating companion animals aside, due to the health concerns alone I'd never eat horse meat.
Look it up. Countries who consume horse meat have a lower cancer rate than most countries who consume beef. Stick that in your drug argument and smoke it.
Horsemeat, being sold for over $20/lb, is not a staple food, and cancer rates are much more complicated than a particular food item one might eat on occasion.
It isn't a drug "argument", it's a fact. Google Nicholas Dodman, horse, bute to read the latest peer reviewed SCIENTIFIC paper from early in 2010 confirming that horsemeat is toxic, rife with drugs and chemicals that CAUSE CANCER in humans who consume it.
Betty, If you personally want to do down that road to your own private cancer, go ahead, buy a horse, keep in on your own land, care for it as a typical horse owner using wormer, fly spray and horse aspirin (bute) as needed until it's ready for your harvest. Then you can consume that and take your chances.
But don't think the rest of society is going to stand still and be silent about the very real FACT that horsemeat is virtual POISON and should not be consumed by humans or any animals for that matter. And, no, it is also NOT allowed in pet foods either by law. And we especially are not going to shut up and let greedy disgusting humans make money inhumanely slaughtering companion animals and then selling their toxic flesh to unknowing consumers at premium prices all so they can line their pockets. Not going to happen.
Unfortunately, it's not JUST cancer, even with bute. There are MANY other nasty side effects as well. Why don't you check it out personally ?
Why the big deal on eating horse meat? It isn't much different than eating deer, elk or moose. Dog meat? A staple for Koreans. They even have "dog farms"...been there, seen that! Nothing wrong with that either. Emotions are at play for those that are critical of it!
For individuals who own dogs and cats, the idea of eating them is as horrific as eating horse meat for the very reason that they are intelligent and can create bonds with humans. The service that these animals provide to humans should preclude them from having to serve as a meat source.
Yes, in Korea and some other Asian countries they eat any animal. You say that you've seen the dog farms. Have you seen how they are killed? Most are hung by their back legs and the serials slice them from their groin to their necks, one after another. Have you heard the animal's cries when this is done? Some sound like a child being murdered. Others are skinned alive and set aside in torturous suffering and pain. What the heck is wrong with people? Your tone would be very different if you were in their place.
All of you ppl claiming horses are sentient and intellegent have NEVER been around horses. They are NOT as smart as dogs. I grew up with horses, rode them, loved them, and if I was presented with a properly cooked dish of horsemeat, i would eat them too. Don't anthropomprphize the animals, they are not '4 legged people'. They are animals. I do not agree with inhumane treatment, and all you squalling about 'the poor horses' should check out the inside of the slaughterhouse your steak comes from. That stuff in the grocery store in the styrofoam tray covered in plastic was a LIVING BREATHING animal a few days before, but no one except the vegheads seem to be up in arms about a burger.
Horses are intelligent, as you pointed out, and if you look up the definition of sentient, they are. Horses are bred and trained to trust humans, and they do not deserve a horrific end.
Horses are intelligent, as you pointed out, and if you look up the definition of sentient, they are. Horses are not raised as livestock, and they serve mankind much better as companion animals. They do not deserve to be tortured befor death.
What a presumptuous poll!! Where's the option for "I've tried it, it tastes like guano, I hope never to eat it again."
May you all be eaten alive by a pack of horses. Amen
Horses are intelligent, as you pointed out, and if you look up the definition of sentient, they are. Horses are bred and trained to trust humans, and they do not deserve a horrific end.
I ate quite a bit of horse when in postgraduate school. There was a butchershop that sold only that at the Pike Place Market in Seattle. It was excellent and if it was still available, I'd be buying and eating it still. At the time, it was significantly cheaper than beef, too. It's a darker red than beef, leaner, and has a unique but mild flavor. I also seem to recall that it's amino acid proportions are more closely matched to our needs than beef.
Have you considered the inhumane treatment and slaughter of horses? These are intelligent, sentient animals who are bred and trained to trust and serve mankind. Horses are not bred for the purpose of meat, and they should be granted greater respect.
You sound like one of those Alex Brown FOB animal lunatics.
Sentient? YOU obviously are not. Nor intelligent. I grew up with horses, smart they are not. Altho, they are probably smarter than you. Do you eat chicken? Thought so. I have chickens who I hand raised, they have names and come when I call them. Are the 'sentient and intelligent'? Uh, no. Just conditioned. Same with horses. Think about that next time you pull inot McDonald's. And if we're killing stray dogs, why not use them to end hunger? Because bleeding hearts like you make such a huge drama-filled scene that everyone gives in to you spoiled ignorant tiddy babies.
Geez, you'd think with a postgraduate degree you'd be smart enough by now to do the research and see that horse meat comes from animals NOT raised as meat animals, not regulated, and, in fact, proven to be predominantly laden with carcinogenic drugs and chemicals. One would think with that kind of education under your belt, you'd be rueing the day you consumed that toxic meat, praying to dodge the bullet that probably has your name on it, scheduled to arrive at some future date and announce its name: Cancer. Google Nicolas Dodman, horse, bute and read the science for yourself so you can become informed. It's unbelievable that so many people are so ignorant about what they consume or wish to consume and seemingly all in the name of being contrary and bullheaded in "retaining their independent choice" of foods.
Its the stuff we inject in are meat and the fact we load up most cattle now a days on corn or grain is what makes it "unhealthy"...... its proven scientific fact that grass feed beef with out all the hormones and antibiotics is actually good for you..... And fyi wild donkey is some dang good meat......... As is dog Adobo......
Dogs and cats are granted the term "companion animal" because they are bred as companions, not for meat. Horses are bred as companions as well, and should be treated as such.
Alexandre Dumas, the author of "The Three Musketeers", went on in detail about horse meat in his 'Grand Dictionnaire de Cuisine' (arguably the greatest cookbook the world has ever known), including several recipe's.
However, he warned that it was an inferior meat, difficult to cook properly, hard to digest and did not have a pleasant taste unless hidden by a sauce or excessive use of spices.
There are too many other meat sources that are cheaper/easier to raise and both taste better and are more versatile from a culinary standpoint.
Add to that the romanticization of horses that most people feel and you have a food product with some serious social baggage.
Thus, Horsemeat will never become more then a novelty item (if that).
There are some people here that would eat anything, including a raccoon's a__served on a stick, these same people will someday find it justified to eat people, for they can't do without flesh.
silly goose coons are only good for there skin.... squirrel jerky on the other hand.... well thats another story
I hear a lot of you saying that we are a free country or that we govern ourselves. Where did you get that bologna? It's been a long time since we could make decisions for ourselves without infringing on someone else's rights. The government tries to control everything. They are why we are in the mess we are in now. However, I agree-if you want to eat horse meat-you should have that choice. Just don't ask me to do it!
We have laws to protect those who cannot protect themselves. Horse slaughter is inhumane and cruel and completely unnecessary.
I have spoken to friends in Chile (where its consumption is legal) and they tell me it is unimpressive. They remark that compared to their beef (which is up there with Argentina's) that it is not preferred, but they also admit that only the oldest, most wretched horses are butchered and so there is no fair comparison. I know of no country that specifically domesticates horses for consumption and hence the bad rep.
Many horses are trucked south of the border are killed- all ages and types. Most of the meat is sold, not consumed in the country. Horses are killed there by being stabbed to death by puntilla knives- it is a slow, horrific death.
My friend ate it often in France and loved it. Because of her rave reviews I would eat French horse meant anytime. I love horses and own them but there are allot of horses that are unwanted or unsound for riding that probably should be dinner.
There are more unwanted cats and dogs. Why aren't we eating them? YUMMMM...... my neighbor's two schnauzers served up as burgers. I'd like that~!
Ahh...refreshing to see that someone can discriminate between a pet and food. I applaud your rationality.
Horse meat often contains carcinogens and medications that are not intended for human consumption. Horses are also inhumanely killed, and none of the slaughterhouses in the U.S. (which are now closed) operated without several health code violations.
Beth what you thought was French horsemeat was really US horsemeat imported by France. Most French restaurants have removed horsemeat from their menus because 95% of it was from the US. They had a saying, from stable to table in four days, so sounds like you ate plenty of poisoned horsemeat.
Our FDA places horses in the companion category and states that they receive drugs that are harmful to humans.
I ate horsemeat in Holland. It is a softer texture and sweeter than beef, but it was delicious!
Again, horsemeat is not regulated, and the conditions in which the horses are slaughtered are horrific. Did you ever stop to think that you were possibly eating a child's pony? http://www.justsaywhoa.org/viewImage.asp?photo=2
There is now plenty of credible research showing that consumption of meat should be greatly reduced and that people should be eating more fruits, vegetables and grains. The high consumption of meat has been proven to contribute to cancer and other diseases. We certainly don't need to encourage people to consume another type of meat. Besides, our country is losing the natural resources required to raise farm animals, who require extensive land, feed and water. We're killing off other wild creatures like wolves that compete for these farm animals, do we need to create another farm animal? And don't forget all the waste and pollution produced by farm animals – do we really need more? This country has a huge need for more vegetarians! Let's leave these horses alone!
Hey Jen, Howz about some greasy grimy gopher guts!
I have one word for you all: basashi. Yum! Raw bite sized pieces of lovely fresh horse meat with a side of soy sauce, enhace with fresh ginger and green onion, for dipping. Oishi yo!
Horses get wormed every two months, on average. Ivermectin horse wormer warnings:
Do not use in horses intended for human consumption. Not for use in humans. Keep this and all drugs out of the reach of children. Refrain from smoking and eating when handling. Wash hands after use. Avoid contact with eyes.
The following is from a tube of phenylbutazone, aka "bute", the most common pain medication administered to horses:
WARNING
Do not use in horses intended for human consumption.
For Oral Use in Horses Only
Non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID)
CAUTION: Federal (U.S.A.) law restricts this drug to use by
or on the order of a licensed veterinarian.
Federal (U.S.A.) law prohibits the extra-label use of this product
in female dairy cattle 20 months of age or older.
Bute actually used to be used for humans, but as it turns out, it's quite dangerous and can cause a whole host of illnesses. Per the FDA, Bute is no longer an approved medication for humans. According to the FDA in 2009, it is "known to induce blood dyscrasias, including aplastic anemia, leukopenia, agranulocytosis, thrombocytopenia and deaths. Hypersensitivity reactions of the serum-sickness type have also been reported. In addition, phenylbutazone is a carcinogen, as determined by the National Toxicology Program."
So, to those of you eating horse meat...might wanna stick to animals actually regulated for your dining enjoyment.
Ohhhh....so scary!!! Ivermectin is also used in humans. Check out "river blindness". Heck, I'm so old I even had a physician prescribe phenylbutazone for me when I was a teenager and had a knee condition. Instead of imagining that anything a horse is given stays in its body forever, I'd rather think that normal pharmacologic degradation and elimination mechanisms are likely to remove drugs from a horse's body just as they do from mine, and not fall victim to irrational sensationalism.
Ivermectin and most other medications say that so that the anti-slaughter people do not know the withdrawal times, as that made them sick to think "It will be safe to kill and eat in 30, 45, 60 days" . If you look at the vet supply stuff most will tell you withdrawal times for horses as well as cows, pigs, ect... Fort Dodge 5-way shot for E/W/Rhino/Tetnus states on the back (if you get it from a vet or vet supply) 45 day withdrawal, Ivermectin states 30 days-bovine, 45 days-equine. You might want to check with the vets about withdrawal times.
Bute cannot be used as it does not leave the meat for a VERY long time, but that just means over a yr from last use.
Don't forget the fly spray applied religiously filled with neat stuff like pyrethrins (the same stuff you put on your dog to kill fleas). Then there's the DMSO that a lot of horse folks use (regarding DMSO use on laboratory mice: "DMSO exposure to developing mouse brains can produce brain degeneration. This neurotoxicity could be detected at doses as low as 0.3 mL/kg, a level exceeded in children exposed to DMSO during certain medical treatments" ... THIS might explain a lot here). not to mention the various supplements, sprays, conditioners, and my personal favorite 'Regumate' which is used to 'regulate" a mare's estrous cycle... Of course, it might just also help with population control of stupid people too... hmmm
Regu-Mate is the brand name for altrenogest, which is progestin, a synthetic version of the hormone progesterone. This is given to a filly or mare to keep her from coming into heat at crucial times. A filly or mare in heat will be too distracted to perform well in competitions.
Common Side Effects
The most common negative side effect in fillies and mares is that their genitalia increases in size. Another was that the horse goes into heat anyway, which, according to Regu-Mate's manufacturer, happens to 5 percent of fillies and mares.
Precaution
Be absolutely sure that the mare is not pregnant before starting Regu-Mate because it could cause birth defects in the foal.
Considerations
According to Intervet, Regu-Mate should not be given to mares with a previous history of uterine inflammation because it could cause the mare's uterus to become inflamed again.
Side Effects–Stallions
An off-label use of Regu-Mate is to calm stallions down. According to Dr. Bob Judd, DVM, it can also cause fertility problems and should not be used.
Warning
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It's not irrational sensationalism to be aware that medications produced for animals are not the exact same medications you got for your parasitic infestation or your knee condition. It's common knowledge that they aren't manufactured the same, and often not by the same companies. They have different delivery systems, different suspensions. (Why do you think it's unadvisable to purchase medications over the internet or from foreign countries? Because the regulations aren't the same, and you can't guarantee what you're getting is what you are expecting, or what your body is used to.) Additionally, it's not irrational sensationalism to be aware that the average horse is obviously much larger than your average human, and accordingly, the dosages they get of any given medication is going to be much higher than your average person. (Again, common knowledge.) The actual dose per kg of ivermectin is 200mcg for both people and horses. However, it is processed by exactly the same organ – the liver – in both. Not muscle mass, or body fat...an organ. An organ that is also busy processing a whole host of other medications. It is also not irrational sensationalism to realize that a horse, if it lives to be 20, will be wormed roughly 114 times. That's about 10351200 mcg of Ivermectin over its lifetime. Every 60 days. For that one liver (about 4-5 kilos in a horse) to process. The dosage for a human is typically one dose (200mck/kg) PER YEAR, and that is only if there is a chronic infestation of Onchocerciasis. Thus, a horse gets SIX TIMES the dose typically prescribed to a human each year, for its whole life.
It's commonsense...think of it this way- Asbestos didn't kill everyone that came in contact with the product...but would you sign up to breath it in?
Many types of medicines are used in horses, including carcinogens. They are not allowed in livestock because they do infiltrate the meat.
Christie, I have one word for you: CONSEQUENCES. As in, when you eat carcinogenic laden meat, you will probably get CANCER. Bon appetit!
Would everyone please keep in mind that the legislation only prevents slaughter for consumption of wild burros and mustangs...both have cultural significance to the founding of our nation. It doesn't keep you from eating your own Quarter Horse or Paint if you want. Or anyone else's, for that matter. Just leave the wild ones alone. They've earned their survival.
Not "wild" as in native and part of an ecosystem that existed here in North American before the Spanish brought them here. They are introduced animals (horses and burros) and should be eliminated from public lands.
Horses were in the United States (for 57 million years) before being reintroduced to North America: http://www.mustangs4us.com/mustang4.htm
Like the Caucasian??!
Actually, there are many Native American legends that relate horses being in the Western US before the white man arrives. And here is some recent science on that topic:
http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/article_3510b187-f256-5b91-875e-b45c8865f14a.html
Regardless whether they went extinct and were reintroduced by the Spanish or not, they still evolved here in the American West and that makes them NATIVE. Not feral. You need to brush upon your definitions.
So are cows, and they are all over public lands. 8 million cows, 30,000 horses, surely you can do the math? And there is new evidence suggesting that the horse was never extinct from NA, making it a native, not invasive, species.
YES LETS LEAVE THE WILD ONES ALONE TO DIE FROM THE SICKNESS THAT SPREADS THROUGH THEM LIKE ALL OF THE WILD,OH THATS RIGHT THEY WERE PUT IN THE WILD BY RANCHERS AND THE GOVERNMENT, EMAGINE THAT,AND IT'S OUR TAX DOLLARS DOCTORING THEM AND PAYING FOR THE ROUD UPS AND ALL THE ADOPTIONS AND VET BILLS,WAS I TALKING ABOUT BOARDER JUMPERS OR HORSES??HMMM
Does it taste like Chicken??? Whats the big deal? As long as it's not any nasty parts I am down with it.
Horses are raised and bred as companion animals, not for food.
I think we don't currently eat horse because it's an aesthetically pleasing animal. It obeys commands, it has emotions we can perceive, it is a beautiful animal. It has a past where we have used it as transportation and for barter. That being said there are two tracks on this.
One is well it's new meat, why not?
The other more difficult question is that it seems sentient and I have moral qualms with eating a sentient life form. This is the more controversial form, i.e. vs. vegetarians. Such folks tend to think that somehow the harvesting of wheat or corn or soybeans is different than the harvesting of say cows. Why? Because they can regrow due to roots? Aren't these the same roots that cows have? Is the difference that one has a brain and one does not but still grows? Is that the only thing separating us from eating ourselves, e.g. the Donner Party? So it's murder? But isn't all life in that camp of murder? Fascinating. Now let's try some horse meat. I'm an equal opportunity eater. My mouth is the map of a black hole, my behind will show you the proof.
I'm a vegetarian and I don't believe "meat is murder". There's a reason we have canine teeth. Humans are designed to have a diet composed of meat and vegetation. However, the amount of energy it takes to produce the food a vegetarian eats is infinitely lower than the amount of energy it takes to produce a side of beef. Meat is just another way by which to get the grains (that the cattle eat) into your body. A much longer and more expensive process. We would actually be able to feed many more people than we already have the ability to if so much energy and money didn't go into converting grains to meat for people to eat.
However, I'm not a vegetarian for any of those more "noble" or "commonsense" reasons...I just can't bring myself to do it. One too many bambi movies and pets growing up, I guess. And an over developed sense of compassion. More meat for everyone else.
Actually Nic, we only have canines because it would be hard to bite into, say, an apple without them. We are true herbivores, from our jaws to our digestive system. True carnivores also eat the entire animal, from it's brains to it's asshole, sounds yummy, huh?
Thank you NIC. Nice to see a sensitive AND..... BRILLIANT comment.
Horses are not bred for meat, and they are much more intelligent than cows. They should be classified as companion animals as are dogs and cats.
I've had horsemeat in various forms over the years (steaks, kebobs, burgers) and always found it chewy and kinda gamey. I never once enjoyed it (even when I didn't know what it was).
The real debate here should be around WHY these wild horses are being slaughtered: cattle ranchers (and others) want to use government land to graze their herds and the wild horses live on that land. Simply put, the wild horses are nothing more than competition for scarce grassland resources. The fact that the herds can be slaughtered and sold off under the guise of providing meat for hungry people is nothing more than convenience. After all, who's going to pony up lobbyist dollars for a bunch of non-voting animals? (pun intended)
I'm all for a spirited debate but let's also be smart enough to look at the real issues. If you want to eat horsemeat because you like it or want an alternative to what's available, then do so. But if we're going to eat horsemeat, it should be regulated – or better yet, make it organic!
Actually it's not just a question of ranchers competing against wild horses for use of public lands, it's ranchers AND wild horses competing against native species for use of public lands. Many of the so-called "mustangs" were horses turned loose during the Depression and later recessions when their owners couldn't afford to feed them. I imagine our on-going financial woes have contributed even further to that. The true "mustang" is only a portion of the wild horse herd. We've only got so many acres of grasslands and a lot of competing interests including energy developers. I think a law like this does nothing to deal with the hard realities.
What can help are the periodic round up of wild horses for public adoption...it seems to work pretty well in some areas.
There are no "true" wild horses. They're all feral, here in North America solely due to humans bringing them here. Their impact on native plants and animals is immense. They should ALL be caught or killed. If they were giant naked molerats instead of animals with cultural connections, no one would have any problem with their elimination, nor the methods to do so.
REPLY TO BLACK BEAUTY..yum
YOU NEED TO BRUSH UP ON THE HISTORY OF THE HORSE. MUSTANGS HAVE PROVEN GENETIC TIES TO THE IBERIAN HORSE AND THEREFORE ARE NOT FERAL......
The "bigger issue" you noted was correct. However, it seems that as horses are not bred for meat, as they are highly sensitive and intelligent animals, and slaughter is cruel, why would we consider them as a food source?http://www.defendhorsescanada.org/ChambersofCarnage.html
We used to eat horse meat in our home when I was growing up (in the late 40s and early 50s). It is very tasty, leaner than beef, and nutritious. I have also had bison meat, and it has the same qualities as horse meat. I think with most people it is a perception problem. Where is the difference between beef, horse meat and bison meat? There is none in reality, other than what is in people's minds. If you haven't tried it, don't knock it.
The difference is that horses are not bred for meat, but have been taught for 5,000 years to trust and serve humans. It is only fitting that we provide them a peaceful end, just as we do dogs and cats.
THANK YOU GORDON
This topic is sickening; I'm done.
Oh, one more thing, a veterinarian euthanizing a horse can take as long as 45 minutes of suffering for the horse to die after it is pumped full of poison. A well placed bullet or compressed-air powered captured bolt as used by slaughterhouses cause instantaneous and painless death to the critter.
I've seen botched euthanasia attempts, as well as botched slaughter attempts. Neither is perfect. However, you can always choose a better vet. The horse you sent off to slaughter doesn't have the power to choose a better minimum wage slaughter worker. I've also seen two stories that made national news where an owner tried to shoot a horse in the head, and because of the thickness of the skull, it didn't work. It's not always that simple.
Euthanizing a horse is done in the exact same way, with the exact same drugs, as euthanizing a dog or cat. Most of the time, there is no issue at all, and the horse passes as painlessly as Fido.
We have had to put several horses down due to age or medical issues, and it was done in a few minutes, very kindly and without pain. Horses in a kill pen are killed violently, and some are only stunned, meaning that they are alive while being vivisected.
You'd better check your sources on that captured bolt thing... it's NOT a very effective means of killing a horse or a cow. There are plenty of videos on the internet showing botched jobs.... Bottom line: there is no such thing as "humane slaughter" whether it's a horse, cow, pig, goat or fowl.
It is ridiculous to compare death by captive bolt and gunshot to euthanasia. First of all the captive bolt is not designed for horses. Horses have longer necks...horses will struggle...horses are intelligent and they know what is going on. Secondly, it does not kill them...it stuns them. they are quite alive when hung by one hoof and bled out...horses have more blood than cattle andif the heart is still beating it bleeds out faster, hence speeding up production. The gunshot method does not work either..there are undercover videos of the horrors of both methods, each often taking 3 or 4 times to "effectively" stun the horse while it i fighting for its life. Horse slaughter needs to be stopped. PERIOD
Horse rancher seems so confident that" A well placed bullet or compressed-air powered captured bolt " will do the job perhaps he could use it on, say... an elderly parent, aged sibling, disabled child when they begin to eat into HIS profit margin. He seem soooo confident that its painless looks like to me it would be just the ticket for such an occassion.
I had raw horse meat in Japan. delicious! And dog stew in China. Tasted like pork. It's ridiculous that this should be banned in the US. It's not like the eaters will go steal someone's pet dog or horse, and anyhow theft is already illegal.
Netposse notes that a great many horses are stolen for the purpose of selling them to slaughter.
Skip the argument of which meat we should eat or not. This law prohibits the slaughter of horses for horsemeat, which then means we wind up with too many horses. Quite simply, not every horse is good enough to be kept for riding, racing, work, etc. Those horses that don't have a use other than standing in a field or as horse meat now are left only to be standing in a field.
Feeding and taking care of one horse is expensive. Conservatively, $200/year in hay, $200/year in grain, $150/year in vet bills, land to keep them on (typically a minimum of 2-3 acres per animal) and significant time and labor for the owner. For a horse that cannot be ridden or put to work, rather than sell it for a couple hundred dollars to the meat market, they are stuck with the horse. What does this lead to? Horse abandonment. Google it. 100,000 horses not slaughtered per year, times a 15-year (low) lifespan is 1.5 million extra horses that will not be taken care of, starving and a general nuisance.
"$200/year in hay, $200/year in grain, $150/year in vet bills, land to keep them on" ...where do you keep your horses that it is so cheap? That's not conservative, it's about 10 times below average in the midwest, and it only gets more expensive the closer to the coasts and large cities you get. Which leads me to my main point...if a person cannot afford to euthanize a horse, they probably couldn't afford to have been caring for it properly and shouldn't have had it in the first place. Horses are, for most of the population, a luxury. For those who find themselves in over their financial heads, there are numerous rescue groups available to take a horse. Those who complain about not being able to send their horses to slaughter are only complaining because rather than spend a couple hundred to euthanize the horse, or simply surrender it to a rescue group or local humane society, they'd rather get one last $20 bill out of it. Additionally, kill buyer prices in the midwest leave your average kill seller with a couple hundred bucks. Even according to your math, that's no more than it would cost to keep the horse alive for a month. Euthanasia costs about $100 for the vet bill, at most, and a quick survey of rendering companies reveals that it costs between $35 – $100 for a rendering company to pick up the carcass. So again, if you can afford to have the horse, you can afford to euthanize it.
Thank YOU!!! Amen......
Horse slaughter does not have an adverse effect on the number of horses being abandoned, slaughtered, etc. In fact, it allows unreputable breeders a place to continue to dump their horses, and actually increases the number of horses in the United States. The idea that horses are useless if not ridden is untrue- horses are used for therapy, in schools, and even trained to help blind people. An animal should be viewed as a lifelong commitment, not just a commitment for a few years. When it is time to euthanize the horse, then it should be done so in a compassionate manner.
Bleeding hearts passed a no-slaughter for human consumption law re horses, without seeing the big picture. Meat is meat. It does not matter from what source. It all was once a living animal. The result was that instead of a horse owner being paid a small amount of money for Old Dobbin's carcass, people now must pay a vet to put the horse down, pay the knacker to pick up the horse, process it into "animal protein". The knacker sells it to pet food manufacturers to add to animal food. Fido, Kitty, chickens, pigs, etc..eat horse in their "chow".
The poor people who own horses can't afford the $500.00 to kill and dispose of the horse, so the useless old, lame, or sick horses suffer sometimes for years instead of being sold for 50 cents a lb., euthanized and eaten for human consumption. Average horse weighs 800 lbs. 60% is good meat. That is almost 500 lbs of good meat wasted every time a horse is put down. Most people can't tell horse meat from beef. Goat meat is also excellent, higher in protein, lower in fat, lean and tasty. Try birria at a Mexican restaurant, sometime.
Horsemeat is not allowed in pet food. In addition, the ways in which horses are slaughtered are inhumane. http://www.defendhorsescanada.org/ChambersofCarnage.html
There is no law in place to stop you or any other horse owner from killing and eating your own horse. So why don't you put ol' dobbin down, butcher him up and fill your freezer. Invite the family and neighbours over for a bbq, share your left overs with them! I grew up on a beef farm, we killed, butchered and filled our freezer with beef, so why don't you, as a horse rancher save a steer and eat a horse! Bon apetit to you. Same as all those other pro-slaughter people... eat your own horse if you're so concerned about wasting meat.
According to the USDA, there are more horses in the United States today than when we were driven by true horsepower. This translates, unfortunately, to the reality of neglected and abandonded animals, once "pets, " as well as overpopulation of our wild horse herds. To simply allow those animals to die of starvation, and then pay to deal with a large dead animal,. seems frivolous, when that same large animal, humanely put down, is already a protein source. Unfortunately, I have seen more starving, neglected horses than any other animal. Put them down, and feed
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Horse slaughter does not stop the overpopulation of horses, nor will it stop the neglect or abuse. In fact, it encourages sisreputable breeders and actually creates the problem it claims to stop. Recent studies hasve shown that an increased horse population has no effect on horse slaughter rates.
Horses are highly social- live in families- they take the wild horses away from each other (babies from mothers, etc) transport in god-awful horrid conditions to sell for slaughter in mexico- many many die from the trauma and stress of transport- then gaddamned french eat our wild mustangs- our unique american symbols of the west- i say let those fenchie losers eat snails- i want to go out to the wild west and see the wild horses before i die- and i want my kids and grandkids to have that option- and not have all the wild horses killed so some asshole can make a buck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Warm Springs Indians in Central Oregon raise horses specifically for slaughter. They truck them in to the weekly livestock auctions to make some extra money.
So much for the "Noble Red Man" and his horse.
Is your sarcasm meant to mock these American Indian people in their reduced state? If so, in light of the history of their genocide this betrays either ignorance or cruelty on your part.
Stop this incessant debate. It's as controversial as abortion. Geez, everyone has their own preference. If you're against eating something, then don't! If you're not, good for you!
It is not as simple as that- it has been a very long road to educate individuals about the atrocities of horse slaughter, and such a flippant poll disregards its seriousness.
Burro Burritos are to die for. Don't knock it until you tried it.
It is unfortunate that you make light of this issue- it is indeed a very disturbing topic. http://www.justsaywhoa.org/images/slaughter0.jpg
I have enjoyed horse meat since I was little. No one has the right to tell me what I should eat, say, feel, etc... That is why America is supposedly a free country. We govern ourselves. I do a lot of canning, butchering, hunting, fishing and raising my own food and I don't even have a farm. My kids enjoy helping with all of it. I was taught respect for the Earth and for animals, and to care for our resources; and to do that, responsible decisions are made as to help continue that process. I would not kill a pet, but I have been taught to be grateful for what I have to eat no matter where it comes from.
That can also be a lesson in cultural understanding.
Yuck!
I agree. I have hunted, butchered, grown and canned my food over the years. I wouldn't eat my companion animals, but nature gave resources to support ourselves, plant and animal resources.
Horses are inhumanely slaughtered and often horses are stolen from individuals to be sold for the purpose of slaughter. It is important that animals who do not have a voice are given the ability to be sheltered from such cruelty. http://www.defendhorsescanada.org/ChambersofCarnage.html
The idea of raising certain types of animals for food while prohibiting the raising of other food crop animals is consistent with the overall ignorance of Americans. If you do not wish to eat a certain food then don't, but no government has a right to tell it's citizens what they can and cannot eat – particularly a food that was eaten in this part of the world long before the Europeans arrived.
It is that very idea that helped to make the horse extinct in North America.
Actually horses were reintroduced the americas by the spanish. American horses had become extinct long before the spanish arrived and lost or let loose a few domesticated horses. But, I ate horse meat when I was a child, and it was good. I would not be opposed to eating it again.
Everyone should grow, hunt or fish their food. We should all be versed in butchering, canning and dehydrating. These processes were taught to me and I passed them to my children. Out of this we are taught to respect animals and the earth, for all the bounty provided. We are less likely to overuse or abuse the earth because we see the connection between our survival and the health of the land.
Good luck with that. Cities would be impossible and countries would be waging wars for land just like they did in the dark ages, only with better weapons.
Horses are not bred for human consumption. Their devotion to humankind should be respected as well.
So because some people find killing horses to eat repulsive, congress has to make a laws where the rest of us can’t? Un-American? Don't give me that BS. America is supposed to be a FREE country. Why keep filling our law books with more and more restrictions on what we can and cannot do? An animal is an animal. People keep pigs as house pets and love them like they would any other pet and yet we slaughter and eat them all the time. Humane treatment for livestock? Absolutely. Unhealthy? We are omnivores! Meat gives you complete protein! Keep it moderate if you're worried about it. And why do we keep having the government step in to force us how to live our lives a certain way? Aside from cannibalism and endangered species (there are VERY GOOD reasons these are wrong) how dare you tell me what kind of meat I cannot eat? Unless you photo photosynthesize for energy, you should understand that life feeds on life.
CWhore, sounds like you'd eat your own dog! Some humans seem to have no ethical boundaries when it comes to consumption of animals. Rights be damned if it protects some of the animals we've come to love and respect in this country, like a horse. Even outside our country, I find it sickening to hear about whales being slaughtered or dolphins chased into some cove for slaughter all in the spirit of maintaining cultural norms. Screw culture....move on to modern times! We don't NEED to eat those creatures. Get a can of tuna and screw your "rights." Some animals simply don't deserve to be on the other end of your fork. Our country owes a lot to horses; give them some respect. We may have to control herd populations, but there are better ways.
Don G, you are RIGHT ON! Every point. There is no reason to eat horses and every reason not to. Their status as icons, partners, symbols of freedom and wildness in America as well as the fact that the vast majority of all horses going to slaughter are filled with toxic carcinogenic drugs and chemicals. I suppose all those who do eat horse will get their just rewards – CANCER or other horrendous diseases. Still I'd rather see people SMART ENOUGH to avoid that and ETHICAL ENOUGH to realize there are even more good reasons to refrain from eating our companion animals.
There is no need for horse slaughter, and the need for government interaction is because of the inhumanity attached to horse slaughter: http://www.defendhorsescanada.org/ChambersofCarnage.html
Darlin', when you can show me the blood on your hands from slaughtering ANYTHING, then perhaps your opinion might be worth something.
I'm hearing all kinds of 'I'll eat anything that walks on all fours' up in here. But the reality of Horse slaughter is that there simply is NO humane way to kill a Horse meant for the dinner table. Horse slaughter is tantamount to vivesection, the methods so poorly performed they are barbaric.
Just because an animal falls somewhere below the human in terms of whatever your particular belief system is gives no one the right to butcher an animal alive.
For one thing, as you've seen in so many posts here, the meat of American horses is contaminated with substances that are banned in food animals. Second, there is NO humane way to slaughter horses in the assembly-line fashion that's needed to turn a profit. They are extremely aware of their environment and are unbelievably sensitive, unlike cattle which have been bred to be extremely docile.
The transport and slaughter of horses with equipment and techniques designed for cattle is unconscionably inhumane by ANY standards, and as I said, there is NO way to slaughter horses at the speed that is required.
Also, since horses are not raised intended for slaughter, they must be obtained by other means – like stealing and purchasing from unknowing sellers under false pretenses. Make no mistake – the horse slaughter industry is a cruel and predatory business that cares nothing at all about the welfare of the horses.
I JUST GOES TO SHOW US HERE THAT YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT
There wasn't an option for eating horse meat that is not from wild horses... If that were an option, I would select it. As for the comment about dogs, its funny you should mention– China is planning on banning dogs as a viable source merely because 'industrialized nations' don't eat dog meat. But in terms of available food, it makes a lot of sense to eat dog meat. Then at least the treatment of these animals in puppy mills would be regulated.
Horsemeat is not regulated, so why would you believe this would be any different for a dog? We are a civilized nation, and there is no need for us to inhumanely kill a companion animal for food.
We are a civilized nation, we don't have to kill horsed or dogs for food since they are 'companion animals'. We can just continue killing the lesser animals like cows, pigs, chickens, fish of all sorts etc. Those animals were born to feed us- the others were born to be our companions.
We are discussing horses in the United States. In the U.S., horses are bred, raised and trained as companion animals.
We've had horse slaughter plants in the US for years. They've only been closed for a few years. No one wanted to eat the meat then, it was all exported. And FYI, most of the horses slaughtered in the US are off the track, those horses have had more drugs pumped into their system than other horses. Antibiotics, pain killers, steriods, etc. Europeans and Japanese people pay premium prices for this "delicacy". If they only knew.
I'm just curious . . . domesticated animals pumped full of antibiotics, steroids, other drugs . . . how exactly is this different from from the cows and pigs that grace the coolers in our local supermarkets today . . . other than the fact that most Americans have a cultural aversion to eating horse meat. And for the record, I eat meat have eaten horse meat outside the States. It tastes fine . . . it's a nice, lean red meat. It's really no different than eating beef in my opinion. I'd rather see a more rigorous debate on a how we can ensure the SAFETY of our meat for those that chose to eat meats of whatever type.
As a previous owner of a ranch supply store, I can tell you that the medications we sold to cattle owners fell under strict guidelines. However, when it came to race horses (or any other horses, for that matter), some owners would try anything since it didn't need approval as they were not growing the horse for the specific purpose of human consumption. Also, you would need to understand the differences between the systems of these different types of animals – and therefore, their responces to different medications and treatments.
Many of the most common medications given to horses (including "bute"...a pain medication) is labeled "Not for use in animals intended for human consumption". THAT is the health problem with eating horse meat. Horses are not regulated by the FDA as food animals, and horse owners can accordingly give them a whole host of medications and drugs that a person could not give to cattle, chicken, etc, which are intended for food. There are some things you just can't cook out...
The drugs we put into racehorses and other competition horses are POISON!! Check out this commonly used drug: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenylbutazone Would you want to eat anything that was fed that on a regular basis?
Cattle are raised with the intention to eat them....the drugs may not be great for us in the long run but they are at least somewhat regulated. Horses are not raised with the same intent and thus we fill them full of drugs that are very toxic to humans. Can someone please verify the regulations in the UK regarding bute? I believe they track the use of the drug and thus the animal can never be used for human consumption if it is given that drug. Over here? It is given daily to many, many horses. Eat up Betty and all the others that are pro horse meat! I guess that's natural selection at its best!
THEY DO AND YOU DON'T
Horsemeat as a source of sustenance will only be accepted by the starving classes when the meat is coated, fried, packaged and sold by a corporation with a clown, a king, or life-sized talking toy as its representative.
Horse meat is a great source or protein. I'd be excited to be able to eat it in the US. It's as lean as chicken but still full of the wonderful redness of beef. As for solving our nation's hunger? Probably wont do anything due to some company jacking up prices for a "high quality source of protein." Poor people can't buy filet minon, so why would they be able to afford horse meat which would likely be higher priced than beef?
Horsemeat is indeed sold for over $20/lb in Europe and Asia. There is not a market for horsemeat in the U.S.
I have eaten Horsemeat in The Netherlands....It is lean, dark, and a bit on the salty side...They call it "smoked meat",
I prefer the whore's meat to horse meat...but the latter tends to be cheaper.
Being related to deer, I imagine horse would taste similar to venison. It's a hard sell in the USA because of our country's history and traditions regarding the horse. After all, if it weren't for cowboys and their partnership with horses, living in most of the western USA in the 18th and 19th centuries would have been just about impossible. We tend to look on horses with a special admiration. Other countries don't have that connection to the animal. For instance, horse meat is oftern servied in France.
Oddly enough, they do not slaughter their own horses in France, but depend upon meat from Canada and Mexico, which they buy for over $20/lb.
Hanaeleh
The french actually breed horses like we breed cattle/sheep/pigs etc as do the Italians, the horses that are slaughtered in Canada and Mexico is more so for the Japanese market than the European one. either way whatever a horse is classed as for the most part they are NOT bred for the human food chain they are bred as companion animals and i cant say knowing what meds go into them i would certainly NOT want to eat one
Consumption of horse meat in the EU is down by 20% and most likely to go down further as they have found out the truth about the medicines these horses have been given and that the conditions in the slaughterhouses are beyond belief. There are numerous videos that graphically show undercoverage footage of death at the slaughterhouse. Previously the public had been completely lied to in regards to horse meat.
Hi Sheila Horses are related to deer like you are related to Whales....To be accurate, horses are Equines and are monogastric. Deer are Ruminants...Unguents to be exact. They have split hooves and a four compartment stomach like other Ruminants: Cows, Sheep, Goats.....
You may be a lovely person...but you're obviously not a Zoologist.
Something or someone used to eat those wild horses to keep their numbers down.I want grilled horse fillet.Yam! medium please
BLM has determined that their numbers are too high, but it is interesting to note that for one horse they take off the range, it is replaced with 10 privately-owned cows. Perhaps if private individuals did not graze their cows on federal land, their numbers would not be a problem.
Perhaps we want to raise and graze something that we eat in this country instead of letting a bunch of horses run free that we never get the benefit of consuming.
Private lands are capable of taking care of current cattle herds. Federal lands should not be used for private individuals to make a profit. Under the 1971 bill, wild horses are the property of the federal government and are protected as such.
that something or someone that used to keep the numbers of wild horses in check were natural predators. See Mountain Lion and Wolf. Both of which have been hunted to near if not extinction. The wolves from helicopter cause they cant even hunt them from the ground so instead mortally wound them and terrorize them before leaving them to suffer and die. Thats who used to eat the wild horses but we've screwed that up too !
Not an option for this vegetarian, but could they at least come up with a more marketable name for it like they've done for cowmeat, pigmeat, deermeat, etc? We'll all feel better about it then, won't we?
why do we believe that only meat can fill our hunger? eating meat causes a lot of diseases and is unhealthy. it may be hard for majority to give up meat but killing and cooking up another kind of animal will not solve our nation's hunger.
Eating meat isn't unhealthy and doesn't cause a lot of diseases... Stupid people making bad choices and failing to get the correct amount of nutrients from other food sources do.
Either post evidence supporting your absurd argument or stop making baseless assertions on the internet as if you know what you're talking about.
Here is a summary of diet in relation to cancer. Note that while the phrase '... no evidence at this time' is used often here in the other categories, it clearly states that eating processed meat is harmful and increases risk of cancer:
http://www.cancer.org/docroot/ped/content/ped_3_2x_common_questions_about_diet_and_cancer.asp
Here is a little interesting fact for you animal, countries that eat horse meat have lower cancer rates than countries that do not consume it. Must be all these drugs you animal rights people are always trying to scare us about. Horse meat is delicious.
Betty,
That is a broad statement- you are attributing the decreased rate of cancer in these countries to horse meat consumption? I am sure there are other factors contributing to your statistics, whereas we are specifically discussing meat's effect on one's health. But I would like to see the statisics if you could link them, I find it very interesting.
I agree. For those of you doubting thomases, just google up info on cancer or look up the Dana Farber Cancer Institute and you'll find many excellent sources that tout a predominantly vegetarian diet. Red meat contains catein, which cancer cells love and thrive on. My dad is a cancer survivor and has eliminated all red meats and processed foods, eating vegetarian most of the time and only occasionally indulging in chicken or fish, and his doctors are amazed at how well he's doing and how far he's come along for a man in his 70's.
I don't care if people want to eat meat, or want to be a vegetarian (as I am). However, the pure energy and finances that go into producing commercially raised meat for human consumption is ridiculously high when compared to the energy and finances that go into producing the grain necessary to fatten that meat up for people to eat. You have to feed a steer up for a good long while, with tons of grain, to get it fat enough to sell to slaughter. You could feed a lot more people with all that grain than you feed of that one steer... grain crops reproduce every year, at least. Not so much with cattle.
Right on, Loreta! You expressed my thoughts and feeling very well.
Its the stuff we inject in are meat and the fact we load up most cattle now a days on corn or grain is what makes it "unhealthy"...... its proven scientific fact that grass feed beef with out all the hormones and antibiotics is actually good for you..... And fyi donkey is some dang good meat.........
Most horses that are sent to slaughter are not wild, but have been fed medications that are not intended for human consumption.
We have more than enough food in America. I can't think of anything more UN AMERICAN than eating a horse.
I totally agree. We have so much cheap food in this country, we are getting obese. Leave the beloved horse alone.
the cheap food in this country is the reason there are so many obese people. I'm not saying you should go out and eat Flicka but cheap food is not the answer.
How about eating a Frenchman while wearing white after Labor Day? That would be pretty Un-American.
I think chowing down on a Bald Eagle drumstick is far more unpatriotic than any horse.
Dog meat could feed hungry people too, and there are loads in shelters that are euthanized daily.
Eat a horse anytime over a dog, have you seen what dogs eat?! Straight up nasty food, that meat is corrupted.
Have you seen what catfish eat? They eat horrifying stuff, but they taste delicious.
Are you kidding me? Catfish delicious? I bet you like pigs feet too.
Horses, like dogs and cats, are not bred for meat, but as companion animals. We do not have a shortage of food in the U.S. and more than 80% of federal grazing lands serve PRIVATE cattle herds, not wild horses. Horses deserve a better end.
I am not arguing in support of eating meat, but the notion of 'companion animals' is a bad argument and based on our own cultural tendencies and taboos. Parts of the world raise dogs for food, not companionship; others have tradition of eating whale or dolphin, which some cultures deem unthinkable and barbaric. Is it up to you to make this determination?
We are discussing the United States, not other countries. In the U.S., horses are bred, raised and trained as companion animals.
Hanaeleh, although you are correct about horses not being bred for meat, you can not put hores in the same catagory as cats and dogs....Please look up the word livestock.......
check out http://www.getdownink.webs.com and lets get some discussions going there....
I ate camel once in Iraq...didn't know what I was eating until after the locals told me what it was....I didn't really have a choice because I would have otherwise offended them and caused myself more problems. However, it was kind of like a spicy sausage with a chicken nugget texture. Not horrible, but not great either. Camels, horses, close enough for me to try it, but not sure that I would be open to replacing my love for good chicken....
If you own and love a dog, can I try dog meat? I think it's close enough to pork. That's how I feel about you trying to eat horsemeat.
actually, pork is closest to human in terms of taste, that's how we got the name "long pig"
Yes, just dont eat MY dog and you can eat all the dog you want as far as Im concerned.
I like animals and have a lot of pets, but people humanize their pets far too often. It is irrational.
Suuure, if you can keep it down. What better way to gather the family to have one last round with Binky than to have him for dinner? (I hear the East Timor and indonesian recipes are particularly tasty)
Horse, Cow, Dog. Whats the difference. Just because you own a dog you are biased towards dogs. But is'nt killing a cow just as bad. They are living breathing animals too. Just like dogs
You can try dog, if you want, just go to China, Vietnam, Korea or Tonga. Heck in Tonga you can have a plate of Horse with a side of dog.
What is it about eating Horsemeat that's offensive to you? Is it that horses are cute, useful? Personally, I wouldn't eat it as it just doesn't seem edible, too tough, to medicated, just doesn't seem healthy. I think you should probably re-evalute how you feel about eating meat in general if you have these feelings, dead flesh is dead flesh and disgust with consuming it shouldn't be restricted to cute things.
Food is a necessity and we humans are at the top of the food chain and I think if I were hungry and desperate enough even human meat would not be out of bounds.
I've lived in Korea. For starters, the dogs they used to eat were a specific breed raised for the sole purpose of eating – like livestock.
I've also lived in Italy. Horsemeat is sold all over the place. I tried it, but didn't really care for the taste. Doesn't mean I'm going to bash their culture just because I don't like it.
Get off your soapbox, you might fall.
Horses are not killed humanely, the meat is not regulated, and some horses are even stolen from their owners to be sold to killer buyers. http://www.justsaywhoa.org/viewImage.asp?photo=3
Which is the primary, but only one of MANY reasons why this is SUCH a bad idea. First, we don't raise horses for food and we give them medications that are very harmful to us if we eat them. Second, our American culture values the horse as a companion, and eating it is against our code. Are we going to start eating dogs and cats next? I was told straight up in Animal Science that meat is an incredibly inefficient way to raise food. It takes 13 pounds of grain to produce one pound of meat. We could wipe out hunger all around the world by producing vegetables instead of wasting a lot of resources raising animals for food. And lastly, raising any animal for food is harmful for the environment. The American mustang is an icon, and it is immoral and unethical to even ask the question "should we eat them".
Valorie, The idea sue or whoever has is that if we concentrate on the clean Wild horse-meat it's just like the Sweet Native peoples of those lovely far distant mountain regions. But the Humingous problem-horrendous breeding and nasty slaughter methods- is not connectable to that idea, it is an idea itself.
You are right on target on all counts. Also, American horses – even many of the wild ones – have been contaminated with chemicals such as bute and wormers that are banned from the human food chain. It won't be long before the EU starts enforcing new rules about contaminated meat, and the plants won't accept American horses anyway.
Many, many horses are stolen and many others are obtained under false pretenses. This is a dirty, cruel, predatory business and I can't imagine why it's been allowed to go on this long.
50,000 horses a year are stolen in America and never seen again. Thats acording to current police reports!
Many stolen horses are found right before they are slaughtered!!! I believe the horsemeat industry is full of criminals who steal people horses in order to sell them quick to the meatman!!
Bingo!
Horses stolen for the meat trade is not unheard of out here in the west ... right out of pastures. Kid's ponies, big working draft horses, pregnant mares.. oh don't get me started on THAT one......leaving behind broken hearts, lost investments in some cases and always a sense of loss and a knowing that your best trail buddy is headed for slaughter in a cow or sheep facility across the Canadian or Mexican border.
IT's a mix of cruelty and plain stupidity to eat horse meat bought from a commercial source as the industry is basically unregulated. You might be eating tender young draft filly raised for a career on the farm or in the show ring or a tough old retired quarterhorse. You might be eating a kid's PONY or a very sick and parasite ridden old brood mare... ya just never really know. As said in other posts, you're probably going to eat meat contaminated with ivermecitn or other poisons designed to kill parasites or maybe bute other not approved for humans pharma. And the feed? What were they eating? contaminated hay, over sprayed grains or those stored in silos and riddled with bugs , dead rodents and who knows what else!
Either way horsemeat wont be on my table any time soon and I have no objections to horse slaughter if it's done humanely and the meat used properly. I'd rather see horses go to humane slaughter than to starve to death in some pasture because the neighbors don't care and the owners for some reason abandon them. We have horror stories out here in the west about horses turned loose in the wilderness and on the high desert where there is no water, very little food and an abundance of predators. Lips cut partially off to remove identification tatoos, hide sliced off to remove brands... it's happening more and more since the economy hit the dirt.
Want to eat horse meat... raise one. I say the same thing to those who have never slit the throat of the critter they will eat for dinner. KNOW where your food comes from if you possibly can. IF you can't raise it, learn about the process then decide if you'd rather have a little girl's best friend pony who just had her tape worm meds and a few doses of bute for her arthrits, bitsof grain or other foods that may be GMO (like the new alfalfa craze) or treated with fungal growth inhibitors, or feed that contains other animals (remember mad cow?) Who KNOWS what you have on that plate... now are you really gonna EAT that yourself or just feed it to your kids? Bon Apatite!
Oh ya the Romans used to raise doormice for apatizers.... that's traditional..... not all traditions are worth keeping...so don't go down that trail...
It would be the same as eating pet dogs to me. This would cause me emotional distress to know that americans are trying to force people to eat companion animals!
Plus look at every package of horse medication,it says not for food animals!! Many horse-meat companies have been sending POISON cancer causing meat overseas and giving people cancer. I hope they sue you horse slaughter companies! You know you have been sending POISON to people for many years! A lawyers dream as the toxic meat these companies know what they have done!
http://www.EquineDestiny.com
Don't be bamboozled – this is all just an effort to replace all wildlife on our Public Lands with cattle. Cattle, which are already overproduced in USA, most are exported for profits according to USDA – then same “for profiteers” import lesser quality beef from South America! Citizens, what is wrong with this picture?
This is also just an effort to support a failed socialist welfare program on our own soil. Look it up – CATO Institute 1997 Policy Analysis on Welfare Ranching – read it and weep – over 500 million dollars a year in direct and indirect costs to tax payers for a welfare program – welfare for the rich – your tax dollars going directly to “for profit” corporations CEO bonuses. And this is sucked out of us taxpayers by only 3% of cattle production – yes, that’s right, only 3%. Taxpayers UNITE against this aturocity against us!
So don’t be bamboozled by some notion by an extreme radical fanatical faction that we “need” wild horse meat – it’s a ploy against the good people of America.
Besides, these horses are full of toxins. Wild horses are regularly darted or rounded up and given chemicals. Eat them and you deserve what you get (too strong?). And Sue Wallis wants to feed horse meat to our nations school children and the infirmed – are we going to stand for that? What kind of person is this?
Contact your elected officials TODAY – Get cattle (and sheep) off of our public lands once and for all and leave our nations wildlife, including our wild horses, and our tax dollars alone!
I agree wholeheartedly with Roxy's comments. Could not agree more!
You hit the nail on the head Roxy. This is an OBVIOUS PR ploy from the pro-horse slaughter lobby to justify killing mustangs to replace them on the range with cattle, and re-opening the US horse slaughter plants.
And there is the inconvenient fact that horsemeat sells for the same price as veal, so the chances of it feeding "hungry" people are slim to none.
Right Roxy, and that's not the only deception in this article. The R.O.A.M. Act passed only in the House. It's been blocked in committee in the Senate and hasn't even had a chance to be voted on. Just more of the same old disinformation.
Roxy, I agree with you re: BLM and ranchers just are in it for the money. Cattle are what is ruining our grasslands with
their sharp hoofs.
Why don't they slaughter the millions of prisoners like they do the horses and eat them?? We would be saving millions
of dollars, not having to house, clothe and feed them!! Heck, I am sick of paying taxpayer dollars for them anyhow!
Before you think about eating a horse, I think you should get some essential and appalling facts straight #1- A brief history: In 1959 "Wild Horse Annie," after realizing the cruelty involved in roundups (she followed a trailer dripping blood), helped pass a bill to stop the motorized vehicles and aircraft in rounding up mustangs. Wild horses were declared property of the U.S. government and therefore protected, in the Wild Free-Roaming Horse and Burro Act, a 1971 bill (signed by Nixon). It states, “It is the policy of Congress that wild free-roaming horses and burros shall be protected from capture, branding, harassment, or death.” It was amended 7 years later to give the goverment authorization to move and cull herds. It also allowed the public to adopt wild horses. In 1984, the adoption fee was waived, and 20,000 horses were shipped directly to slaughter. In 2004/5, Senator Robert Burns added in a provision into an appropiations bill, allowing the horses to be sold for the purpose of slaughter. The new bill that was passed in June keeps the horses from being sold to Canada or Mexico for the purpose of slaughter, but as the killing of 140 horses in the Calico roundups that cost the taxpayers $700,000, the government is practicing inhumane treatment on its own.
#2: Talking points regarding horse slaughter:
*Horses who are slaughtered are not bred or raised for that purpose. Most horses who are sent to slaughter were, at one time, a pet.
*Horses who are sent to slaughter are not old- most are under 8 years of age.
*Horses are not tested for medicines that could be harmful to humans before being slaughtered.
*Horses who are sent to slaughter are not all lame or sick.
*Horses are not killed humanely- a bolt is supposed to be driven through their head, but that is the hardest part of their body. They flail around wildly when in the chute (unlike cows, which do not have long necks), so it often means that a horse is hit several times with a bolt before being killed. Sometimes the bolt does not kill the horse, and it is alive while being vivisected. Mares in foal will be slaughtered, and the foal, sometimes close to term, will spill out, to be then killed.
*Horse slaughter does not reduce the amount of horses- in does just the opposite.
*The slaughterhouses in Texas and Illinois were in constant violation and did not abide by our health codes, to the point of even allowing the blood of dead horses to spill into the waterway.
*Horses are not livestock as their primary purpose and function is not meat. They should be classified differently, as we do dogs and cats.
*There is no viable market for horsemeat in the United States.
*Horsemeat is not used in dog food.
*Horses do not cry out in pain, so we must be their voice.
THANK YOU BUSTER!
Maybe a few folks will be educated by your comment!
The Wild Mustang is an American Icon of FREEDOM!
They ALL belong to each and every AMERICAN that pays taxes!
By the BLM taking them off their Home Ranges, it costs us TAXPAYERS DOUBLE!
We OWN the PUBLIC LAND these Mustangs roam on, we pay for it with our tax dollars.
With the BLM putting these Mustangs in Holding Facilities, we are now paying for them TWICE!
Think about it AMERICA... Even if you are NOT a 'Horse Person', and just care about what the Government is doing with YOUR MONEY...
The Mustangs are a helluvalot 'cheaper' to maintain in the wild, than they are standing in a Government Feed Lot.
Thank you for posting the facts.
Something else pro-horse slaughter killers of horses should known..IF YOU SET UP KILLING HORSES IN AMERICA AGAIN..as you horse-eaters are trying to do with your stupid polls! WE WILL NEVER GET OFF YOUR HORSE HATING BACKS EVER!!
I will shout you down where ever you live!! FOREVER!! so horse eaters GO AWAY!!
Thank you for saving me the time of posting the exact response I would have made! Horses deserve our respect, full protection and care, for all they have done and been to man in our history and progress for so many years!
Horses have never been a food chain animal in the USA. They have been deemed by congress to enrich the American spirit by being ALIVE!!! Preserve our American Wild Horses and Burros!!!! Stop the genocide.
NO to horses slaughter, ever!
"Horse slaughter does not reduce the amount of horses- in does just the opposite"
You liberals apparently don't do math so well.
If I have 3 horses and I kill one, then I have 2 horses. The number of horses I now have did not increase one bit.
You dumb@$$.
Hey Buster, in some ways you are correct and some.. YOU ARE WRONG.. look it up..Since nobody else caught this because this is a lame answer...Here you go.."live·stock (lvstk)n.Domestic animals, such as cattle or horses, raised for home use or for profit, especially on a farm. That my friend is the definition of LIVESTOCK.. So did you write your own dictionary? Horses are not comparable to cats and dogs.. Horses are so much different and your comparison to a house animal is flat ignorant.. The moment that you or any other one of the people (who probably don't own horses at all) Bring your horse in the house to sit on your couch, teach them to crap in a box by your toilet or to ride in the back of a truck..PLEASE email me because I would love to see this...
Oh and the reason those horses went to slaughter is because nobody adopted them..yes people pay attention here..The BLM holds adoption sales all over the UNITED STATES..They are listed with pictures of the horses, what state they will be in and the dates.. SO those horses could have been saved if you all actually wanted to save them, you could have gone down and adopted one, ANYONE who wants to put fourth the effort could save a horses life... My question is whats your excuse? What gives you the right to run your mouth on something you have no hands on experience in? Don't get me wrong here I'm not saying everyone has no experience with Wild Horses.. But I would like to see someone discuss this that actually knows a wild horse inside and out and the problem is they are taking over the nation and most of them are starving because there is not enough feed for them..SO I suggest you go buy some land and go adopt some of these horses and save them..NOW THATS helping
Joey
THANK YOU BUSTER!
Maybe a few folks will be educated by your comment!
The Wild Mustang is an American Icon of FREEDOM!
They ALL belong to each and every AMERICAN that pays taxes!
By the BLM taking them off their Home Ranges, it costs us TAXPAYERS DOUBLE!
We OWN the PUBLIC LAND these Mustangs roam on, we pay for it with our tax dollars.
With the BLM putting these Mustangs in Holding Facilities, we are now paying for them TWICE!
Think about it AMERICA... Even if you are NOT a 'Horse Person', and just care about what the Government is doing with YOUR MONEY...
The Mustangs are a helluvalot 'cheaper' to maintain in the wild, than they are standing in a Government Feed Lot.
HEY JOEY, HOW IS IT POSSIBLE TO PAYING FOR THEM TWICE WHEN THEY ARENT GETTING THE PROPER CARE FIRST?
DONT YOU REALIZE THAT WE ARE OVER RUN WITH HORSES AS IT IS....MAYBE THE BLM SHOULD GATHER UP THE STALLIONS AND CUT THE BREEDING DOWN FOR A COUPLE YEARS, OR MAYBE YOU SHOULD GO AND ADOPT A COUPLE....ALL I HEAR ALL TE TIME, IS "HOW CAN WE FO THIS TO HORSES?" WELL, ILL TELL YOU WHAT, ITS PRETTY EASY WEN WE AS HUMAN BEINGS ARE BARELY ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF OURSELVES IN THIS NATION RIGHT NOW....
AND FOR US THAT ARE IN THE HORSE BUSINESS AS A WAY TO SURPORT OUR FAMILY, WE ARE STRUGGLING EVEN MORE....
IM AT THE LOCAL HORSE AUCTIONS EVERY MONTH, SOMETIMES I BUY ONE OR TWO, SOMETIMES I DONT, BUT I DONT LOSE SLEEP OVER IT.
ALL YOU ACTIVISTS NEED TO UNDERSTAND A LOT MORE, AND BE THERE AND BE ACTIVE AND HAVE HORSES AND DO SOMETHING MORE THEN JUST READ AND WRITE......
DO YOU KNOW WHAT MY FEED BILL IS PER YEAR? OVER 11,000$ AND THAT FOR 8 HORSES.....THERE ARE OVER HALF A MILLION UNWANTED HORSES EVERY YEAR.....WHOS GUNNA PAY FOR THEM??? WAKE UP PEOPLE WAKE UP....
oh my gosh you ate that horsemeat?? even though something may taste ok..you should know that meat may have contained drugs that are known to cause CANCER in humans!
The horsemeat sellers KNOW the meat causes cancer, yet they have been sending that meat overseas for many years!! some sharp lawyer is going to sue the horsemeat companies someday! maybe when you get cancer, you will want to sue them for letting you eat it!!
Horse meat is very healthy here is a comparison of horse meat and beef 3.5 ozs. of each
Beef:Calories 254, Protein 17g, Fat 20g, Iron 1.9 mg, Sodium 67 mg, Cholesterol 71 mg
Horse Meat:Calories 133, Protein 21g, Fat 5g, Iron 3.8 mg, Sodium 53 mg, Cholesterol 52 mg
Horse meat is higher in protein and iron, lower in fat, sodium, and cholesterol, over all it is very healthy. Horse meat is high in Omega-3 fatty acids, you can not catch mad cow disease or bird flu from eating horse meat and it is high in creatine which promotes muscular growth and brain function. In other countries its is seen as an alternative to bee/pork for people with heart problems. And horse meat hasn't been genetically enginered like other cattle.
I don't know if horse meat is intrinsically "healthier" or not, but it certainly isn't after it's been loaded with chemicals that are BANNED in food animals. Horse-meat my be sold all over Europe, but in the US horses are not classified as food animals and therefore are not regulated like food animals. Horses are routinely exposed to substances that ban them from the food chain for LIFE. We can't even know how much illness and even deaths WE have caused in Europe and other countries from eating our contaminated meat for all these years. There is NO excuse except GREED on the part of breeders and others who make a profit off this nasty business. ALL of these products state plainly on the label: NOT TO BE USED IN ANIMALS INTENDED FOR FOOD. They have had that warning ever since I've been a horse owner – and that would be over 30 years!
For more on these banned substances: http://www.vetsforequinewelfare.org/prohibited-drugs.php
Well it's pretty obvious that there are many posting comments here that make their money of the backs of innocent creatures...makes me wonder are old folks and retarded people next??? I bet they would sell them ALL out for a dollar. I hope there is a special place in HELL for people like them.
I have had horse meat and liked it in Sweden.
In Switzerland they have horse steaks and hamburger I would like to try.